irclog2html for #elive on 20060414

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`00:20.01`	`_H_`	`thanatermesis estas? voy a provar ahora el elive`
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`00:27.10`	`Elive_user37`	`vale thanatermesis, esto si funciona`
`00:27.54`	`_H_`	`holas?`
`00:29.04`	`Thanatermesis`	`si _H_`
`00:29.16`	`Thanatermesis`	`bueno, pues prueba de usar esta conf de xorg.conf para tu maquina`
`00:29.18`	`_H_`	`esto funciona`
`00:29.23`	`_H_`	`tengo aceleracion aqui`
`00:29.33`	`_H_`	`así? directamente?`
`00:29.40`	`_H_`	`todo todo? es que me suena a mucho`
`00:29.55`	`_H_`	`sabes estoy tentado de instalar esta elive tio`
`00:29.57`	`_H_`	`esta preciosa`
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`00:31.18`	`_H_`	`oye el password de root?`
`00:31.40`	`_H_`	`ah, ahora no tiene`
`00:31.46`	`_H_`	`con el mc la cosa no se veia bien`
`00:32.36`	`Thanatermesis`	`pass de root ? Elive`
`00:32.38`	`eManu`	`_H_ instalada va mejor !!`
`00:32.44`	`Thanatermesis`	`:)`
`00:33.01`	`_H_`	`:)))`
`00:33.03`	`Thanatermesis`	`_H_ si, toda la conf, pruebala, no pierdes nada mientras no borres la otra ;)`
`00:33.05`	`_H_`	`no te niego que tengo ganas`
`00:33.14`	`_H_`	`pero no veas el desmierde que tengo aqui`
`00:33.21`	`_H_`	`y me da cosa arriesgarme`
`00:33.29`	`Thanatermesis`	`bueno, si la instalas habras limpiado un poco el sistema xD`
`00:33.34`	`_H_`	`lol`
`00:33.37`	`_H_`	`un poco`
`00:33.38`	`_H_`	`jajajaja`
`00:33.49`	`Thanatermesis`	`mientras tengas copias de seguridad de tus cosas importantes... no pierdes nada`
`00:34.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`por cierto, si la instalas... piensa que el /home de la instalacion, LA BORRA (por lo visto no avisa que va a ser borrado, el instalador)`
`00:34.20`	`_H_`	`esto esta precioso el e16`
`00:34.24`	`Thanatermesis`	`:)`
`00:34.25`	`_H_`	`el e17 esta mejor?`
`00:34.41`	`_H_`	`como me oigan los de kde me matan XD`
`00:35.12`	`eManu`	`_H_ cuestion de gustos, para mi si`
`00:35.14`	`_H_`	`ahora vuelvo`
`00:35.25`	`_H_`	`hola emanu`
`00:35.27`	`_H_`	`o hasta ahora`
`00:36.33`	`Thanatermesis`	`el e17 esta mucho mejor que antes y mas usable si`
`00:36.42`	`Thanatermesis`	`raramente da un problema (segfault/crash)`
`00:36.56`	`Thanatermesis`	`y si lo da... cuando te salga el mensaje, le das a F2 y te lo reinicia sin perder nada :)`
`00:36.59`	`_H_`	`y tiene esa barrita a lo mac?`
`00:37.30`	`red_`	`la instalacion es muy intuitiva xP`
`00:37.49`	`_H_`	`:)`
`00:38.23`	`eManu`	`el unico defecto que le veo es que cuando le haces un apt-get al e17 la configuración de este se va a la m.`
`00:39.07`	`Thanatermesis`	`ya... pero debe de hacerse asi para que funcione bien`
`00:39.09`	`red_`	`hasa ahora no lo he hecho, pero cuando lo haga hare antes un backup`
`00:39.13`	`red_`	`grax por avisar xD`
`00:39.20`	`Thanatermesis`	`en todo caso, Elive normalmente suele guardar esas configuraciones`
`00:39.30`	`Thanatermesis`	`asi que desde elpanel, normalmente recuperas la conf de e17 ;)`
`00:39.50`	`Thanatermesis`	`bueno, la conf que tiene Elive de e17`
`00:40.17`	`red_`	`me olvide de esa opcion, ya que perdi la conf de el panel de e16; y tuve que pedirla prestado a uno de aqui :D`
`00:42.01`	`egrub`	`Stallman sonríe a Thanatermesis por el poder elpanel`
`00:42.02`	`egrub`	`:)`
`00:42.24`	`Thanatermesis`	`lol`
`00:42.46`	`red_`	`a ElPanel no le falta nada =)`
`00:43.13`	`Thanatermesis`	`:)`
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`00:51.31`	`_H_`	`no ha funcionado`
`00:51.33`	`_H_`	`estoy en tu xorg.conf pero con mala resolucion`
`00:51.35`	`_H_`	`que raro ::(`
`00:51.48`	`Thanatermesis`	`ala pues, ya sabes :)`
`00:51.50`	`Thanatermesis`	`a instalar Elive ;)`
`00:52.41`	`_H_`	`que es lo que no ha ido bien?`
`00:52.51`	`_H_`	`el kernel es tuyo el paquete tambien y el xorg tambien`
`00:53.14`	`_H_`	`agh que feo: fglrx: module license 'Proprietary. (C) 2002 - ATI Technologies, Starnberg, GERMANY' taints kernel.`
`00:54.01`	`Thanatermesis`	`pues no lo se...`
`00:54.16`	`_H_`	`raro de cohone`
`00:54.18`	`dererk`	`Yo! Everyone!`
`00:54.18`	`_H_`	`:)`
`00:54.23`	`_H_`	`hola dererk`
`00:54.31`	`Thanatermesis`	`si, bastante feo, justamente escribi un articulo acerca de esto del "taints kernel" en mi pagina web, mas exactamente un trozo de conversacion en este canal ;) echale un vistazo que está interesante`
`00:54.50`	`Thanatermesis`	`te daran ganas de cagarte en los fabricantes que no liberan drivers libres :)`
`00:55.28`	`_H_`	`d`
`00:55.34`	`_H_`	`es la presion de microsoft`
`00:55.42`	`_H_`	`con seguramente presion bajomano`
`00:55.46`	`_H_`	`o bajomesa`
`00:55.59`	`_H_`	`o mas directamente dicho, porculeando`
`00:56.07`	`Thanatermesis`	`los fabricantes pasan mucho de MS, mas bien MS obliga...`
`00:56.15`	`_H_`	`si`
`00:56.18`	`_H_`	`por eso`
`00:56.27`	`_H_`	`o le caes bien al monopolio o te la juegas`
`00:56.36`	`_H_`	`y si liberas drivers no les caes bien`
`00:56.37`	`Thanatermesis`	`no te has fijado nunca en eso de que en el XP, cuando instalas un driver, te dice windows que "no a superado la prueba de calidad de microsoft" ?`
`00:56.40`	`dererk`	`_H_, tu usas equispé, no?`
`00:56.42`	`Thanatermesis`	`que te crees que es eso ?`
`00:56.46`	`Thanatermesis`	`puro chantaje mafioso`
`00:56.49`	`_H_`	`yo??`
`00:56.51`	`_H_`	`juas!!!`
`00:56.52`	`dererk`	`:PPP`
`00:56.53`	`_H_`	`jajajajajajajaja`
`00:56.56`	`Thanatermesis`	`"si no me pagas una fortuna, te incluyo en la lista esa"`
`00:56.56`	`_H_`	`jajajajajajajaja`
`00:57.01`	`_H_`	`lol!!!`
`00:57.21`	`Thanatermesis`	`acaso no funciona igual de bien el driver ? acaso no son los fabricantes del hardware que te dan ese driver ? :)`
`00:57.33`	`_H_`	`a ver un par de preguntas`
`00:57.39`	`_H_`	`tengo una particioncilla`
`00:57.45`	`_H_`	`podria instalar el elive alla`
`00:57.52`	`_H_`	`y no tocar nada de nada de lo otro?`
`00:57.54`	`Thanatermesis`	`que te dicen las palabras "este driver no a superado la prueba de calidad de microsoft" ? a mi me dice pura estafa... que prueba de calidad ? de parte de ellos ? venga hombre, pura manipulacion del end-user`
`00:58.00`	`dererk`	`Thanatermesis, que bueno este gparted!`
`00:58.27`	`dererk`	`Thanatermesis, permite redimencionar una particion`
`00:58.42`	`_H_`	`yo mas bien prefiero no particionar y no tocar nada, solo una particion que tengo alla no se que de hace mas de medio a�o`
`00:58.43`	`Thanatermesis`	`si, puedes, y si instalas el grub de Elive en el MBR, Elive te suele guardar en un 80 % el resto de arranques (te hace un menu con todos tus SO disponibles)`
`00:58.44`	`_H_`	`:P`
`00:58.52`	`Thanatermesis`	`necesitaras como minimo 2.5 o 3 gigas para isntalarla`
`00:59.07`	`Thanatermesis`	`dererk claro :)`
`00:59.09`	`_H_`	`eso sobra`
`00:59.11`	`egrub`	`Thanatermesis, acordate que microsoft solo trabaja cracker`
`00:59.16`	`dererk`	`y mas rapido de lo que trabajaba Partition Magic`
`00:59.22`	`dererk`	`Thanatermesis, para que usarlo ahora? :D`
`00:59.39`	`_H_`	`es que me asusta tocar algo y cargarmelo`
`00:59.46`	`Thanatermesis`	`dererk parition magic = caca`
`00:59.46`	`_H_`	`hay muchas horas de cosas hechas`
`00:59.49`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt partition magic`
`00:59.50`	`apt`	`[partition magic] probably the safest and best way to work with partitions. It even speaks ext2, and can create, resize, and destroy Linux FS and swap partitions. See http://www.powerquest.com/partitionmagic/index.html for details., or for a URL to warez site see apt partition-magic...BACK UP YOUR DATA FIRST, YOU CAN LOSE EVERYTHING. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.`
`01:00.01`	`Thanatermesis`	`safest and best ? o_O'`
`01:00.03`	`dererk`	`<apt> [partition magic] probably the safest and best way to work with partitions. <--------- :0000000`
`01:00.10`	`dererk`	`Thanatermesis, eso mismo :000`
`01:00.24`	`Thanatermesis`	`dererk lee el final xD`
`01:00.31`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt x en es BACK UP YOUR DATA FIRST, YOU CAN LOSE EVERYTHING. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.`
`01:02.52`	`_H_`	`dererk, que te hizo pensar que yo usaba el kakaspe ese?`
`01:03.40`	`dererk`	`_H_, es coña :P`
`01:04.00`	`dererk`	`_H_, y ademas Thanatermesis me dijo`
`01:04.01`	`_H_`	`dererk te la juegas XDD`
`01:04.18`	`Thanatermesis`	`siempre esta asi (para variar) xD`
`01:04.21`	`dererk`	`mar 26 11:59:04 Thanatermesis dererk, si, _H_ usa windoze equispé :(`
`01:04.29`	`_H_`	`ein???`
`01:04.35`	`*** mode/#elive [+o Thanatermesis] by ChanServ`
`01:04.36`	`Thanatermesis`	`:)`
`01:04.37`	`dererk`	`LMAO`
`01:04.50`	`dererk`	`_H_, pequeño manejillo xD`
`01:04.51`	`_H_`	o`'0
`01:04.53`	`*** mode/#elive [-o Thanatermesis] by Thanatermesis`
`01:05.05`	`dererk`	`_H_, Thanatermesis solo dijo que eras gay, nada mas :)`
`01:05.07`	`dererk`	`:PPPPPPPPP`
`01:05.13`	`_H_`	`ah bueno`
`01:05.16`	`_H_`	`XDDDDDDD`
`01:05.17`	`dererk`	`xD`
`01:05.22`	`Thanatermesis`	`mar 26 11:59:04 <_H_> si dererk, uso ekispé`
`01:05.25`	`Thanatermesis`	`:o`
`01:05.27`	`_H_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:05.29`	`dererk`	`xD`
`01:05.38`	`dererk`	`XD`
`01:05.43`	`dererk`	`XXDDDPPPP`
`01:05.47`	`_H_`	`jejejejeje`
`01:05.50`	`Thanatermesis`	`peores que niños...`
`01:05.58`	`_H_`	`me he partio el culo a reir :)`
`01:06.31`	`dererk`	`_H_, uffffff, menos mal que has agregado "a reir" :-SSSSSS`
`01:06.32`	`dererk`	`xDDD`
`01:06.39`	`dererk`	`Thanatermesis, :'(`
`01:06.46`	`dererk`	`Thanatermesis, abusivo :(`
`01:06.57`	`dererk`	`te aporvechas por que soy una persona mayor :(`
`01:07.09`	`Thanatermesis`	`dererk aun no sabemos tu edad xD`
`01:07.19`	`Thanatermesis`	`egrub viste a dererk en las fiestas esas ?`
`01:07.34`	`dererk`	`Nadie a visto a dererk`
`01:07.39`	`dererk`	`Ni dererk ha visto a dererk`
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`01:07.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`lol`
`01:07.44`	`egrub`	`Thanatermesis, si. Siempre es subnormal. :p`
`01:07.51`	`dererk`	`:0`
`01:07.53`	`Thanatermesis`	`looool`
`01:07.53`	`_H_`	`co�o tengo 11 gigas no usados`
`01:07.56`	`dererk`	`:'(`
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`01:08.04`	`Thanatermesis`	`xD`
`01:08.05`	`dererk`	`ya xD`
`01:08.15`	`Thanatermesis`	`joer que rapido se te pasó xD`
`01:08.25`	`_H_`	`como podria meterlos en una particion esos 11 gigas?`
`01:08.55`	`Thanatermesis`	`_H_ pues no es facil... ese espacio si esta "suelto en una particion usada" lo correcto seria redimensionarla...`
`01:09.08`	`_H_`	`no`
`01:09.10`	`_H_`	`no esta suelto`
`01:09.14`	`_H_`	`es una particion no hecha`
`01:09.14`	`Thanatermesis`	`asi la haces pequeña y a su lado creas una particion`
`01:09.19`	`dererk`	`Thanatermesis, era para que no me extrañes ;)`
`01:09.19`	`Thanatermesis`	`ah, pues creala :)`
`01:09.23`	`_H_`	`que me sobran alla sin ser usados por ninguna particion`
`01:09.24`	`Thanatermesis`	`usa gparted`
`01:09.30`	`_H_`	`pero quiero a�adirlos a una que tengo`
`01:09.31`	`dererk`	`gparted rulz!`
`01:09.32`	`_H_`	`como lohago?`
`01:09.38`	`Thanatermesis`	`usa gparted`
`01:09.46`	`_H_`	`estoy en el gparted por eso lo se`
`01:09.57`	`_H_`	`hacia mucho tiempo que no miraba mi particion :))`
`01:10.02`	`Thanatermesis`	`pues le picas a ese espacio y elgies "crear particion" xD`
`01:10.22`	`_H_`	`pero no quiero una nueva particion, quiero a�adirlo a una que existe ya`
`01:10.31`	`_H_`	`pero que esta unas cuantas particiones antes`
`01:10.34`	`dererk`	`_H_, qparted :)`
`01:10.38`	`_H_`	`tengo 4`
`01:10.40`	`dererk`	`puedes redimensionar :)`
`01:10.41`	`_H_`	`q?`
`01:10.45`	`Thanatermesis`	`ah.. pues eso ya es mas dificil`
`01:10.47`	`_H_`	`pero no es mejor g?`
`01:10.54`	`Thanatermesis`	`tendras que redimensionar (a grande) la particion usada`
`01:10.56`	`egrub`	`dererk, fdisk ;)`
`01:10.57`	`dererk`	`ufff, perdon xD`
`01:11.02`	`dererk`	`gparted xD`
`01:11.04`	`Thanatermesis`	`pero es que el redimensionamiento nunca fue aconsejado`
`01:11.22`	`dererk`	`estas letras son fisicamente un espejo xD q p p q`
`01:11.23`	`dererk`	`xD`
`01:11.37`	`Thanatermesis`	`O_O`
`01:11.56`	`_H_`	`puede funcionar el elive en la particion hda5?`
`01:12.08`	`_H_`	`alla por donde cristo perdio la boina`
`01:12.09`	`Thanatermesis`	`_H_ claro :)`
`01:12.18`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive funciona en todas partes xD`
`01:12.52`	`dererk`	`<_H_> alla por donde cristo perdio la boina <-- juaaa que expresion!`
`01:12.56`	`_H_`	`nene ganas elive ::)`
`01:13.06`	`Thanatermesis`	`xD`
`01:13.09`	`_H_`	`XDD`
`01:13.14`	`red_`	`Thanatermesis, viene algun cliente bittorrent en elive?`
`01:13.21`	`Thanatermesis`	`ala pues, sin miedo, lo metes en la particion vacia y listos ;)`
`01:13.40`	`_H_`	`lo hace solo el elive o la creo ahora con el gparted?`
`01:13.46`	`Thanatermesis`	`red_ no por defecto, pero tienes mas de 15000 paquetes directamente a tu disposicion xD`
`01:13.52`	`_H_`	`hmmm`
`01:14.08`	`_H_`	`es que 11 gigas me suena a poco para un debian`
`01:14.09`	`Thanatermesis`	`_H_ pues Elive lo primero que lanza en la instalacion es el gparted`
`01:14.18`	`red_`	`solo conozco uno, es decir he probado solo uno que merece la pena`
`01:14.24`	`red_`	`cual es el mas recomendable xD`
`01:14.26`	`_H_`	`tengo uno con 16 gigas ocupados`
`01:14.29`	`Thanatermesis`	`red_ pues instala el azureus :P`
`01:14.44`	`red_`	`ese no merece la pena`
`01:14.49`	`red_`	`alguno mas simplon?`
`01:14.51`	`red_`	`xD`
`01:14.55`	`dererk`	`red_, le tienes miedo a la consola?`
`01:15.02`	`red_`	`masomenos`
`01:15.03`	`dererk`	`si no, usa el bittornado`
`01:15.11`	`Thanatermesis`	`_H_ yo recomiendo que para instalar una Elive, como minimo tengas unos 5 gigas, aunque lo minimo para instalarla son 2.4 gb`
`01:15.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`lol red_`
`01:15.33`	`Thanatermesis`	`no muerde eh ? xD`
`01:15.40`	`red_`	`usaba en mi antiguo SO este --> http://rufus.sourceforge.net/`
`01:16.01`	`red_`	`pero ahora le dan mas soporte a su version para windous`
`01:16.12`	`red_`	`la verdad que no me quejaba de el`
`01:16.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`red_ que hay mas facil que abrir una consola y lanzar "btdownloadcurses fichero.torrent" ? ;)`
`01:17.30`	`red_`	`xD`
`01:17.48`	`red_`	`creo que tendre que conformarme a la consola xP`
`01:17.54`	`_H_`	`tengo 7 gigas en mi home`
`01:18.59`	`red_`	`Thanatermesis, ese que mencionas es el bittornado?`
`01:19.12`	`egrub`	`_H_, comprate un 500Gb disco duro`
`01:19.14`	`egrub`	`;)`
`01:19.41`	`Thanatermesis`	`red_ si`
`01:19.49`	`_H_`	`no cabe en mi portatil, le dejaria el culete rojo`
`01:20.11`	`Thanatermesis`	`_H_ bah, pasate todos los videos gordos y los miles de mp3 a la torre ;)`
`01:20.23`	`red_`	`a ver y lo instalo ^^`
`01:20.29`	`Thanatermesis`	`aveces llenamos el disco duro de cosas que -realmente- no necesitamos "llevar a todas partes"`
`01:20.35`	`_H_`	`solo el email son 863 megas`
`01:21.06`	`Thanatermesis`	`pues muevelo todo al ordenador grande y lo dejas limpio :)`
`01:21.16`	`red_`	`me gustan "HD externos"`
`01:21.17`	`Thanatermesis`	`que cliente usas _H_ ?`
`01:21.30`	`_H_`	`kmail`
`01:21.35`	`_H_`	`tu?`
`01:21.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`thunderbird`
`01:21.44`	`_H_`	`y eso funciona?`
`01:21.47`	`_H_`	`sin problemas?`
`01:21.49`	`Thanatermesis`	`y es ese el que pondré en Elive`
`01:21.54`	`Thanatermesis`	`si, a mi me funciona perfectamente :)`
`01:22.03`	`Thanatermesis`	`ademas e puesto la version 1.5 en los repos de Elive ;)`
`01:22.08`	`Thanatermesis`	`se usara esta version`
`01:22.31`	`Thanatermesis`	`esta muy bueno, lo e comparado con un par mas y e elegido este :)`
`01:22.32`	`_H_`	`y si quiero mi kmail? puedo con el elive usar algunas cosas del kde?`
`01:22.41`	`Thanatermesis`	`si, puedes perfectamente`
`01:22.43`	`dererk`	`Thanatermesis, novato!`
`01:22.46`	`red_`	`Thanatermesis, tenia una duda hace tiempo`
`01:22.59`	`_H_`	`tiene ventajas frente al kontact?`
`01:23.00`	`Thanatermesis`	`pero como digo siempre, no lo recomiendo... que cada uno haga lo que quiera con su "sistema"`
`01:23.06`	`red_`	`si los repos de debian se cruzaban con el de elive`
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`01:23.26`	`Thanatermesis`	`_H_ no conozco al kontact... y la verdad no muchas aplicaciones de kde`
`01:23.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`pero sinceramente creo que las aplicaciones de kde suelen tener "mucho bulto"`
`01:24.14`	`Thanatermesis`	`osea... tienen muchas opciones en los menus... pero opciones de kde... que si centro de control que si ayuda que si esto que si lo otro... pero FEATURES realmente, yo no veo "tantos"`
`01:24.22`	`Thanatermesis`	`claro que bueno, cada aplicacion es diferente`
`01:24.23`	`_H_`	`como solucionaste lo de los numeros de versiones con los paquetes debian y elive thana?`
`01:24.42`	`Thanatermesis`	`basicamente dandoles un numero prioritario a los del repo`
`01:24.46`	`_H_`	`me gustaria tener el cinelerra tuyo`
`01:24.58`	`Thanatermesis`	`tengo unos scripts que se encargan de estar "al loro" de las actualizaciones de debian ;)`
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`01:25.29`	`Thanatermesis`	`si hay algo nuevo, un popup me sale en mi desktop y me dice "se va a proceder a upgradear", todo registrado y delante mio para controlar bien que hay nuevo, que se upgradea, que resultado tiene... etc`
`01:25.39`	`_H_`	`si en un momento pongo solo los sources de debian, algo se desestabilizaria?`
`01:25.48`	`Thanatermesis`	`pues el cinelerra esta en Elive por default ;)`
`01:25.55`	`red_`	`bueno creo que estamos "protegidos" xD`
`01:26.15`	`Thanatermesis`	`y ayer meti un programita para hacer DVD's con menus y tal muy facil de usar :)`
`01:26.27`	`quidam-`	`UN INFILTRADO¡¡¡¡¡¡`
`01:26.28`	`red_`	`quidam- :**`
`01:26.36`	`quidam-`	`red_ <- xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD`
`01:27.00`	`red_`	`solo son menos de 2 meses xD`
`01:27.02`	`Thanatermesis`	`_H_, los sources de debian estan por defecto en Elive... tienes perfectamente el repo de debian en Elive, siempre y cuando no te salgas de la rama de ETCH/Testing o no uses paquetes no oficiales, todo ira perfecto :)`
`01:29.26`	`_H_`	`yo suelo usar sid y merillat`
`01:29.38`	`_H_`	`para cosas de video y lo que sea`
`01:29.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive usa etch y marillat`
`01:29.50`	`dererk`	`damosu, xDDDDDDDDD`
`01:29.51`	`_H_`	`marillat en etch?`
`01:29.51`	`Thanatermesis`	`marillat tiene par etch tambien perfectamente`
`01:29.55`	`dererk`	`<damosu> pues es hora de aprender a usar la consola`
`01:29.57`	`Thanatermesis`	`si`
`01:30.00`	`dererk`	`<rtk8> damosu, no puedo, los monitores estan en modo grafico`
`01:30.04`	`dererk`	`xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD`
`01:30.06`	`damosu`	`si`
`01:30.09`	`damosu`	`filipante`
`01:30.10`	`Thanatermesis`	`O_O dererk`
`01:30.13`	`dererk`	`ESTO ES MEJOR QUE LO DE AYER XDDDDDDDDDDDDD`
`01:30.54`	`_H_`	`y si quiero instalar el kde y ir a uno o a otro cuando me plazca? todo sin problemas?`
`01:31.03`	`dererk`	`damosu, a mi me causa mucha gracia xD`
`01:31.11`	`_H_`	`nene tentado`
`01:31.52`	`Thanatermesis`	`_H_ no hay problema de usar kde o enlightenment... solo tendras que meter la entrada de kde en la configuracion de entrance, pero no es muy dificil`
`01:32.03`	`Thanatermesis`	`de todas formas, recomiendo usar solo enlightenment en Elive xD`
`01:32.12`	`_H_`	`XD`
`01:32.29`	`red_`	`por algo el nombrecito xD`
`01:32.38`	`egrub`	`kde está bastante avanzado pero a veces se aburre...`
`01:32.52`	`red_`	`yo lo usaba en gentoo`
`01:33.03`	`egrub`	`Si red_`
`01:33.09`	`red_`	`y la verdad es un paquete muy pesado`
`01:33.11`	`egrub`	`red_, yo también uso gentoo. :)`
`01:33.13`	`_H_`	`pos compilar kde es un co�azo :)`
`01:33.28`	`egrub`	`_H_, si hace perder tiempo...`
`01:33.34`	`red_`	`yo deje de usar gentoo por kde xD`
`01:33.37`	`red_`	`xDDD`
`01:33.44`	`egrub`	`Jeje`
`01:33.52`	`egrub`	`Ahora estoy en gnome para divertirme un rato`
`01:33.53`	`red_`	`pero si que tenia aplicaciones buenas`
`01:33.53`	`egrub`	`xDDD`
`01:34.02`	`red_`	`pero algunas como que sobran`
`01:34.05`	`red_`	`xD`
`01:34.08`	`egrub`	`Pero siento que kde es mas divertido que gnome.`
`01:34.09`	`egrub`	`Parece.`
`01:34.26`	`red_`	`eso si, con kde mla pase mas ameno`
`01:34.46`	`egrub`	`Si depende de tiempo cuando estas harto de kde`
`01:34.48`	`egrub`	`A veces pasa`
`01:35.02`	`Thanatermesis`	`_H_ porque no haces una cosa ? ;)`
`01:35.04`	`red_`	`es algo muy dificil de expresar, pero prefiero gnome antes que kde`
`01:35.10`	`Thanatermesis`	`asi de paso te utilizo de conejillo de indias :D xD`
`01:35.19`	`_H_`	`ui`
`01:35.23`	`_H_`	`ayayay`
`01:35.32`	`_H_`	`tienes gaseosa?`
`01:35.37`	`_H_`	`:)))`
`01:35.38`	`red_`	`<red_> yo deje de usar gentoo por kde xD --> esto no es cierto, esta claro? xP`
`01:35.45`	`Thanatermesis`	`_H_ intenta instalarte Elive y usar UNICAMENTE enlightenment... de la misma forma que nos hemos independizado al 100x100 de windows`
`01:36.02`	`Thanatermesis`	`intenta vivir asi un par de semanas y a ver que ocurre :)`
`01:36.05`	`Thanatermesis`	`que te parece la idea ?`
`01:36.05`	`dererk`	`damosu, que pasa, no entiendo?`
`01:36.40`	`damosu`	`dererk, ?`
`01:36.42`	`red_`	`con enlightenment tuve una antigua experiencia, cuando lo instale en ubuntu ;P`
`01:36.47`	`_H_`	`a mi kde me gusta mucho`
`01:36.50`	`dererk`	`damosu, que dices eso de los cristales... no lo entiendo`
`01:36.59`	`red_`	`con los repos de shadoi`
`01:37.06`	`damosu`	`<Zue> parece q le subi mucho la resolucion de la pnatalla`
`01:37.07`	`_H_`	`me esta gustando tambien el enlightenment`
`01:37.12`	`damosu`	`<Zue> q cundo reinicio..`
`01:37.15`	`_H_`	`pero no quiero dejar ninguno de los dos`
`01:37.20`	`damosu`	`era un chiste coño!`
`01:37.57`	`red_`	`ligereza + belleza = enlgihtenment :P`
`01:38.07`	`red_`	`enlightenment* xD`
`01:38.11`	`eManu`	`pues a mi kde me parece una fotocopia de windows y gnome me parece muy simplon, con enligthment flipo :P`
`01:38.23`	`dererk`	`damosu, perdon, no le he entendido`
`01:38.26`	`dererk`	`olvidate xD`
`01:38.34`	`Thanatermesis`	`_H_ en realidad no te digo que lo dejes... lo que te estoy proponiendo es usar un desktop IGUAL de completo en el que puedas hacer LO MISMO que harias en kde (aunque te resulte mas dificil al principio ya que es todo diferente)`
`01:38.41`	`red_`	`pero kde ya hace tiempo que supero a windous`
`01:38.58`	`red_`	`claro, como gnome comenzo siendo una copia fiel de este xDD`
`01:39.13`	`Thanatermesis`	`s/todo/un\ poco/`
`01:39.14`	`egrub`	`red_, olvidate de kde.`
`01:39.20`	`egrub`	`red_, piensalo de elive.`
`01:39.57`	`egrub`	`Pensar es vivir.`
`01:40.06`	`egrub`	`Elive es pensar y acomodar.`
`01:40.09`	`egrub`	`:)`
`01:40.17`	`dererk`	`damosu, este Zue tira besitos xD`
`01:40.20`	`red_`	`eso me ha tranquilizado :P`
`01:40.26`	`damosu`	`si bueno`
`01:40.32`	`damosu`	`voy a ayudar un poco mas`
`01:40.37`	`damosu`	`a ver si tira felaciones`
`01:40.44`	`dererk`	`jaja`
`01:40.51`	`damosu`	`bueno`
`01:40.57`	`damosu`	`digo yo que sera tia`
`01:40.59`	`dererk`	`damosu, ves, para que has vuelto? te hacen trabajar como chino xD`
`01:41.03`	`dererk`	`damosu, ah si?`
`01:41.08`	`dererk`	`no me habia dado cuenta`
`01:41.16`	`dererk`	`seguro que es un tio camuflado xD`
`01:41.20`	`damosu`	`mmm`
`01:41.28`	`damosu`	`le voy joder el pc`
`01:41.31`	`dererk`	`xD`
`01:41.34`	`damosu`	`pa que no metire besitos`
`01:41.35`	`damosu`	`xD`
`01:41.38`	`dererk`	`LMAO`
`01:41.40`	`damosu`	`bueno el linux`
`01:41.55`	`damosu`	`sigo sin saber que significa eso...`
`01:42.12`	`dererk`	`Thanatermesis, xD`
`01:42.29`	`dererk`	`<damosu> bueno el linux <-- ?`
`01:42.35`	`dererk`	`><`
`01:42.41`	`damosu`	`si claro`
`01:42.50`	`damosu`	`le digo que ponga comandos chungos`
`01:42.57`	`damosu`	`y a reinstalar`
`01:43.08`	`dererk`	`:-S`
`01:43.08`	`dererk`	`xD`
`01:43.18`	`dererk`	`<DeepB> damosu: a las 5, ok?`
`01:43.23`	`dererk`	`<damosu> DeepB, yes`
`01:43.24`	`eManu`	`bye a todos, pa'catre`
`01:43.31`	`dererk`	`<damosu> mañana`
`01:43.32`	`dererk`	`:-S`
`01:43.33`	`damosu`	`que quede con el`
`01:43.40`	`dererk`	`O_O`
`01:43.48`	`_H_`	`mierda no puedo crear mas particiones primarias`
`01:43.49`	`dererk`	`>O_O<`
`01:43.50`	`quidam-`	`!hola`
`01:43.51`	`red_`	`Hola quidam-!!`
`01:43.55`	`quidam-`	`xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD`
`01:43.58`	`dererk`	`>O_O<`
`01:44.00`	`red_`	`como me tira lo de la info de elive :p`
`01:44.03`	`dererk`	`damosu, di algo!`
`01:44.06`	`quidam-`	`ya parece un bot el muy cerdo`
`01:44.07`	`dererk`	`damosu, me asustas`
`01:44.07`	`quidam-`	`xDDDDDDDDDDDDDD`
`01:44.13`	`dererk`	`O_O'`
`01:44.14`	`Thanatermesis`	`dererk nunca has visto dos amigos quedar para ir a tomar algo ? :P`
`01:44.24`	`Thanatermesis`	`dererk con la de veces que e quedado yo con TuxMeister...`
`01:44.50`	`red_`	`:O`
`01:44.51`	`damosu`	`dererk, que pas?`
`01:45.02`	`damosu`	`xD`
`01:45.02`	`egrub`	`damosu, dererk está celoso`
`01:45.04`	`egrub`	`xD`
`01:45.09`	`damosu`	`debe ser xD`
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`01:49.21`	`Thanatermesis`	`xD`
`01:51.12`	`roxville`	`sinplomo, Thanatermesis http://ipodlinux.org/Video_Player`
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`01:52.46`	`Thanatermesis`	`dios`
`01:52.50`	`Thanatermesis`	`me e pegado la hostia de mi vida`
`01:52.53`	`red_`	`!hola`
`01:52.53`	`quidam-`	`Hola red_!!`
`01:53.07`	`red_`	`bueno, no tengo nada mas que hacer ahora xD`
`01:53.37`	`roxville`	`<roxville> sinplomo, Thanatermesis http://ipodlinux.org/Video_Player`
`01:54.02`	`roxville`	`http://www.mplayerhq.hu/design3/news.html`
`01:54.07`	`roxville`	`pretty cool look`
`01:56.09`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes :)`
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`01:58.04`	`revdjenk`	`svelte swede...did the taxidermist like that joke?`
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`02:02.50`	`_H_`	`bueno, me arriesgo :)`
`02:03.23`	`roxville`	`revdjenk, ...`
`02:03.25`	`Thanatermesis`	`:)`
`02:03.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`yo siempre digo "si no pruebas no lo sabras" :)`
`02:03.39`	`roxville`	`i was gonna tell my wife... and i had forgotten it...`
`02:03.42`	`roxville`	`:/`
`02:03.46`	`_H_`	`pero antes meto esos 11 gigas sobrantes en otra particion que no quiero que sean inutiles`
`02:03.50`	`egrub`	`Thanatermesis, raster nunca visita en #elive ?`
`02:04.11`	`revdjenk`	`hee hee`
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`02:04.20`	`Thanatermesis`	`_H_ si vas a hacer un redimensionamiento... haz un backup de lo importante primero aunque sea por red NFS`
`02:04.44`	`Thanatermesis`	`que una precaucion puede ser pequeña minetras que un lamento...`
`02:04.45`	`withoutclass`	`egrub, mescaline!`
`02:04.52`	`egrub`	`withoutclass, :)`
`02:04.56`	`Thanatermesis`	`egrub no, creo que esta bastante ocupado, jeje`
`02:05.03`	`Thanatermesis`	`pure mescaline!`
`02:05.04`	`withoutclass`	`strong stuff`
`02:05.06`	`egrub`	`Thanatermesis, que lastima...`
`02:05.12`	`egrub`	`Thanatermesis, sería lindo que lo visiten`
`02:05.13`	`egrub`	`xD`
`02:05.19`	`withoutclass`	`apt mescaline`
`02:05.20`	`apt`	`mescaline is, like, the main chemical in \"peyote\", a substance derived from certain species of cactus plants, that native americans used to smoke in rituals to help them \"feel the cosmic energy\". It is also the name of the mailing list server at the Free Software Foundation.`
`02:05.22`	`Thanatermesis`	`alomejor algun dia..`
`02:05.25`	`withoutclass`	`kekeke`
`02:05.32`	`egrub`	`Thanatermesis, parece que sí. Jeje`
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`02:12.25`	`_H_`	`estoy redimensionando el de los gigas`
`02:12.30`	`_H_`	`ahora tendra mas gigas :)`
`02:13.08`	`_H_`	`thana cuando instale el elive me pedira por el e16 o e17?`
`02:15.38`	`_H_`	`me esta haciendo un e2fsck -fy /dev/hda4`
`02:15.59`	`Thanatermesis`	`_H_ cuando arranques Elive, si, siempre tinees para elegir si quieres usar e16 o e17`
`02:16.18`	`_H_`	`pero cuando esta instalado?`
`02:17.42`	`_H_`	`cuando instalas el elive en el HD sigue pidiendo al arrancar cual quieres? curioso`
`02:18.00`	`_H_`	`ya van tres veces lo del e2fsck`
`02:18.07`	`_H_`	`lo va a hacer mucho?`
`02:18.33`	`_H_`	`ah no ahora hace resize`
`02:18.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`claro que si, tanto e16 como e17 son los (unicos) WM de Elive ;)`
`02:18.47`	`Thanatermesis`	`a eleccion en cualquier momento`
`02:18.56`	`Thanatermesis`	`eso si... en el sistema instalado, el login es mucho mas bonito ;)`
`02:19.27`	`Thanatermesis`	`sobretodo, muy importante, si estas tocando/redimensionando particiones... NO lo pares pase lo que pase`
`02:19.56`	`_H_`	`ok`
`02:20.01`	`_H_`	`pero esto va para largo`
`02:21.41`	`_H_`	`e2fsck -fy /dev/hda4 de nuevo`
`02:23.57`	`_H_`	`ostras`
`02:23.59`	`_H_`	`Al menos una operaci�n se realiz� sobre un dispositivo ocupado.`
`02:24.05`	`_H_`	`pero no estaba montado`
`02:24.21`	`_H_`	`Ya que hacer cambios sobre un dispositivo ocupado puede confundir al n�cleo, se recomienda que reinicie el equipo.`
`02:24.28`	`_H_`	`y ahora que?`
`02:24.48`	`_H_`	`aparentemente todo parece en su sitio bien`
`02:24.58`	`_H_`	`reinicio?`
`02:25.18`	`Thanatermesis`	`pues si a terminado`
`02:25.19`	`_H_`	`yo estaba por formatear un par de particiones inutiles que tengo por ahy`
`02:25.29`	`Thanatermesis`	`reinicia, si ,es mas recomendable`
`02:25.32`	`_H_`	`para meter el elive y una particion /home`
`02:25.46`	`Thanatermesis`	`una partcion /home NO TUYA , no =?`
`02:25.51`	`_H_`	`puedo reiniciar y hacerlo luego`
`02:25.53`	`Thanatermesis`	`osea, sin nada`
`02:26.04`	`_H_`	`la /home es por no meterla dentro de la d`
`02:26.19`	`_H_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:26.24`	`_H_`	`y total las otras dos no las uso`
`02:26.28`	`Thanatermesis`	`como veas, bien entonces`
`02:27.40`	`_H_`	`borrar es borrar particiones creo y yo quiero formatearlas`
`02:27.54`	`_H_`	`pero bueno, eso lo hara el elive al instalarlo no? seguro que pregunta`
`02:28.05`	`egrub`	`_H_, manejalo bien con cfdisk`
`02:28.12`	`egrub`	`Eso no es dificil`
`02:28.36`	`_H_`	`bueno, me meto a ello`
`02:28.44`	`_H_`	`ya formateare con el elive`
`02:28.47`	`egrub`	`:)`
`02:28.52`	`_H_`	`see u espero que no dentro de mucho`
`02:29.00`	`egrub`	`Jeje`
`02:29.06`	`egrub`	`Espero que lo diviertas en elive`
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`02:36.50`	`_H_`	`holas`
`02:37.01`	`_H_`	`ahora estoy en el e17`
`02:37.14`	`_H_`	`tiene bateia pequeñita`
`02:37.16`	`_H_`	`jeje`
`02:37.47`	`_H_`	`thana tienes algun skin para hora proceso de cpu consumo de red y esas cosas?`
`02:38.10`	`Thanatermesis`	`hombre, yo uso gkrellm para todo eso`
`02:38.16`	`Thanatermesis`	`no es lo mas lindo pero.. :)`
`02:38.20`	`Thanatermesis`	`es lo mejor que conozco`
`02:38.37`	`_H_`	`yo tambien en kde`
`02:40.26`	`egrub`	`Thanashiba, igual que yo. Siempre uso gkrellm`
`02:40.27`	`egrub`	`:)`
`02:40.58`	`egrub`	`Pero algun día habrá otro si vienen mas programadores talentos`
`02:44.39`	`_H_`	`joer`
`02:44.46`	`_H_`	`como le digo que pare de instalar?`
`02:44.58`	`_H_`	`que me ha echo una advertencia al principio`
`02:45.00`	`_H_`	`:)`
`02:45.13`	`_H_`	`y como he puesto el alsaconf no quiero que eso me de problemas`
`02:45.18`	`egrub`	`_H_, instalar instalar instalar!!!`
`02:45.19`	`egrub`	`xD`
`02:45.36`	`_H_`	`si cierro gparted parara de una vez? y me dara por culo?`
`02:46.16`	`egrub`	`_H_, si cierralo`
`02:46.19`	`egrub`	`No sé.`
`02:46.27`	`egrub`	`No uso mucho gparted ni qtparted...`
`02:49.53`	`_H_`	`mierda`
`02:50.02`	`_H_`	`ahora me dice que seleccione particion para instalar`
`02:50.14`	`egrub`	`Usá el hda5 este...`
`02:50.17`	`_H_`	`le da igual que pulsase dos veces el cancelar`
`02:50.23`	`egrub`	`No sé que tiene ahi en tu disci duro`
`02:50.47`	`_H_`	`yo apago a lo bruto y reinicio`
`02:50.54`	`egrub`	`xD`
`02:51.04`	`_H_`	`me niego a dejarle jugar con mi disco duro sin mi permiso explicito`
`02:51.26`	`egrub`	`Estabas en root?`
`02:51.41`	`_H_`	`por cierto que deberia entender que cancelar significa que "ni hablar, norL!!"`
`02:51.49`	`egrub`	`xDDD`
`02:52.02`	`_H_`	`he pulsado en el disco duro de abajo`
`02:52.08`	`_H_`	`me tengo que tomar algo tio`
`02:52.18`	`egrub`	`Pero fijaste bien con cuidado`
`02:52.20`	`_H_`	`esto es demasiao ariesgado`
`02:52.40`	`egrub`	`Ya veo`
`02:53.56`	`Thanashiba`	`o_O`
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`03:03.20`	`_H_`	`prueba 2`
`03:03.39`	`_H_`	`sin tocar nada de nada le doy a la instalacion`
`03:04.26`	`dererk`	`<ya> no uses e17`
`03:04.27`	`dererk`	`<ya> es para perdedores`
`03:04.37`	`_H_`	`??`
`03:05.09`	`_H_`	`o-O`
`03:05.31`	`_H_`	`sata?`
`03:05.45`	`_H_`	`con un lspci sabes si es sata o no?`
`03:05.58`	`_H_`	`como se mira lo de sata?`
`03:06.09`	`withoutclass`	`someone save me from the thows of bash programming`
`03:06.40`	`_H_`	`bueno, le doy al cancel`
`03:06.52`	`roxville`	`withoutclass, revdjenk is here... hemay be able to help :)`
`03:07.19`	`withoutclass`	`revdjenk, write my bash script homework for me and i will guarantee you 100 virgins in heaven`
`03:07.21`	`withoutclass`	`xD`
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`03:07.51`	`roxville`	`i never liked virgins...`
`03:08.06`	`roxville`	`they're so inexperienced...`
`03:08.24`	`dererk`	`damosu, no me dejaste los ultimos 2 strikes :-S`
`03:08.25`	`dererk`	`xD`
`03:08.34`	`withoutclass`	`its ok, after they get experienced they just lay there XDDDD`
`03:08.47`	`revdjenk`	`what...I can do brash programming...`
`03:09.06`	`roxville`	`<withoutclass> someone save me from the thows of bash programming`
`03:09.22`	`roxville`	`no, i didn't mean that he would DO it for you!`
`03:09.26`	`withoutclass`	`revdjenk, take a look at a little program?`
`03:09.47`	`revdjenk`	`no, really I know roxville was kidding!`
`03:09.50`	`withoutclass`	`i am struggling`
`03:10.09`	`revdjenk`	`don't know programming, can't even do the eap editor correctly!`
`03:10.20`	`withoutclass`	`oh`
`03:10.21`	`withoutclass`	`brash`
`03:10.24`	`withoutclass`	`./forehead slap`
`03:10.26`	`revdjenk`	`hee hee`
`03:10.35`	`withoutclass`	`T_T`
`03:10.54`	`withoutclass`	`i cant wait to not program these damn scripts`
`03:11.05`	`withoutclass`	`how unix handles true and false is horrible`
`03:11.21`	`withoutclass`	`i like c++`
`03:11.25`	`withoutclass`	`makes much more sense`
`03:11.38`	`_H_`	`es cierto que esto parece lento :)`
`03:11.46`	`revdjenk`	`I get it now...roxville was reacting to the word "saved" maybe...:)`
`03:12.23`	`withoutclass`	`roxville, not really asking for someone to do it for me`
`03:12.33`	`revdjenk`	`now my bro could probly help you, taught himself C++ one summer on his hour train commute`
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`03:12.40`	`No-uso-elive`	`hola xD`
`03:12.46`	`No-uso-elive`	`se han picado en debian Xd`
`03:12.46`	`roxville`	`<revdjenk> I get it now...roxville was reacting to the word "saved" maybe...:) <-- hallelujah! he got it!`
`03:12.56`	`withoutclass`	`c++ > bash logic wise`
`03:13.22`	`SanSunito`	`damosu una broma peque�a`
`03:13.26`	`revdjenk`	`so why do you have to program in it, what systems use it?`
`03:13.28`	`SanSunito`	`ademas es de hace mas de 7 horas`
`03:13.31`	`withoutclass`	`unix`
`03:13.33`	`SanSunito`	`manda huevos !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!`
`03:13.36`	`revdjenk`	`whooops!!!`
`03:13.51`	`revdjenk`	`of course BASH scripts`
`03:13.54`	`revdjenk`	`hee hee`
`03:13.55`	`withoutclass`	`im basically writing a command line calculator for a hmwk assignment`
`03:14.29`	`withoutclass`	`but the way bash evaluates true/false is killing me`
`03:14.43`	`revdjenk`	`can you write it in C and then convert it?`
`03:15.09`	`withoutclass`	`i wish`
`03:15.14`	`withoutclass`	`i woulda been done 5 hrs ago`
`03:15.15`	`revdjenk`	`oh...`
`03:16.21`	`withoutclass`	`this thing is strange, because i make 6 different scripts, there is a driver script that calls the appropriate arithmetic script depending on the arguments sent to the driver(i.e division script, addition script)`
`03:16.39`	`withoutclass`	`apt kiss dererk`
`03:16.41`	`apt`	`ACTION smooches dererk on the forehead`
`03:17.13`	`dererk`	`apt, tell withoutclass gay`
`03:17.24`	`dererk`	`or...`
`03:17.26`	`withoutclass`	`hey, i didnt kiss you, apt did`
`03:17.27`	`dererk`	`apt, tell withoutclass about gay`
`03:17.37`	`dererk`	`better`
`03:17.49`	`dererk`	`withoutclass, :P`
`03:17.52`	`withoutclass`	`xD`
`03:18.03`	`revdjenk`	`did you hear about the taxidermist who loved classical music?`
`03:18.19`	`revdjenk`	`he called his business, Baroque-Bach Mounting`
`03:18.39`	`roxville`	`LOL`
`03:18.51`	`revdjenk`	`you STILL laughing roxville ?`
`03:19.23`	`_H_`	`thanatermesis, esto suele durar como media hora? como una hora? como dos horas? dura y salvaje?`
`03:20.10`	`_H_`	`dura y de calibre pesado?`
`03:22.10`	`roxville`	`a yankee (northener) walks into a bar in the south, and orders a beer... the bartender gives him one... and as the rednecks are gathering up around him to give him a good beating, the bartender askas: "so what do you do for a living?"`
`03:22.31`	`roxville`	`the yankee says:"i'm a taxidermist"`
`03:22.46`	`_H_`	`juer se cree que son las 7:28 am`
`03:22.56`	`roxville`	`the bartender says: "Whaaa? what is that?"`
`03:23.11`	`roxville`	`the yank says " well i mount animals"`
`03:23.17`	`withoutclass`	`lol`
`03:23.17`	`revdjenk`	`LOL`
`03:23.44`	`roxville`	`the redneck closest to him turns to the others and syas "it's cool guys, he just like us!"`
`03:24.00`	`revdjenk`	`too much`
`03:24.21`	`roxville`	`too much... ok`
`03:24.44`	`revdjenk`	`hey withoutclass ... I checked out http://www.ss64.com/bash/test.html..and I see what you mean...true unless null, etc..`
`03:24.59`	`revdjenk`	`too much means over the top, not a bad thing`
`03:25.03`	`withoutclass`	`revdjenk, it changes all the time`
`03:25.06`	`withoutclass`	`like`
`03:25.16`	`withoutclass`	`one expression will evaluate true as 1`
`03:25.23`	`withoutclass`	`but if statements use 0 as true`
`03:25.34`	`revdjenk`	`that's what I could see!!! YIKES`
`03:25.39`	`withoutclass`	`T_T`
`03:26.27`	`revdjenk`	`but there is a logic to that...just not what we want, right`
`03:27.29`	`withoutclass`	`it is not uniform`
`03:27.40`	`withoutclass`	`if 0 is going to be true`
`03:27.49`	`withoutclass`	`everything true shoudl evaluate to true`
`03:27.54`	`withoutclass`	`backasswards logic`
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`03:29.03`	`revdjenk`	`except when 1 is also true, in which case both are true, but then you have to find where the one case you want can be more 'true' than the other?`
`03:29.25`	`revdjenk`	`is that what is happening, you are trying to do?`
`03:30.36`	`withoutclass`	`its like this, this statement: $((3>2)) has a value of 1. so if i try to do if [ $((3>2)) ], it evaluates to false`
`03:31.11`	`revdjenk`	`because...`
`03:31.54`	`revdjenk`	`it is a different statement, right`
`03:32.09`	`withoutclass`	`if a 1 is inside the if, it evaluates false`
`03:32.16`	`withoutclass`	`well`
`03:32.26`	`withoutclass`	`if anything other than 0 is in there, its false`
`03:32.37`	`withoutclass`	`1-255 denotes false`
`03:32.49`	`revdjenk`	`then only put 0 in there then!`
`03:32.53`	`revdjenk`	`hee hee`
`03:32.59`	`withoutclass`	`this is the problem`
`03:33.01`	`withoutclass`	`xD`
`03:33.33`	`revdjenk`	`I can see... I'm glad you are on that case, and I am on simple equations like Jesus human and God`
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`03:33.48`	`roxville`	`http://jmplayer.sourceforge.net/ withoutclass this may be something for you (or not...)`
`03:34.41`	`revdjenk`	`unless there is a 1 in it, then it is false`
`03:34.43`	`revdjenk`	`hee hee`
`03:35.13`	`withoutclass`	`roxville, for my tag problem earlier?`
`03:35.30`	`withoutclass`	`<revdjenk> I can see... I'm glad you are on that case, and I am on simple equations like Jesus human and God<--wtf? lol`
`03:36.39`	`_H_`	`10 m y se ha movido un 12%`
`03:36.52`	`_H_`	`o sea que faltan como hora y media o mas`
`03:38.15`	`roxville`	`yeah`
`03:38.57`	`roxville`	`hehe`
`03:39.29`	`_H_`	`joer eso es lo que tardo en bajarme el debian desde intesnée`
`03:39.37`	`_H_`	`:)`
`03:39.42`	`roxville`	`hi there LinuxNIT ... family finally let you come out and play? :)`
`03:39.54`	`revdjenk`	`hey LinuxNIT !`
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`03:41.21`	`_H_`	`ostras tio me duermo`
`03:41.27`	`_H_`	`nos vemos luego`
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`03:41.46`	`_H_`	`esto no necesita internet para instalarse no?`
`03:42.06`	`_H_`	`que me dices thanatermesis?`
`03:42.08`	`revdjenk`	`dialup in St Loues? LinuxNIT`
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`03:42.17`	`revdjenk`	`Louis`
`03:42.29`	`LinuxNIT-gone`	`hehe roxville yeah they did`
`03:43.42`	`LinuxNIT`	`sorry i had to reconnect so my pc would share the internet connection. :)`
`03:43.46`	`LinuxNIT`	`its kinda stingy`
`03:43.57`	`roxville`	`lol`
`03:44.34`	`revdjenk`	`mine won't let itself on, sometimes`
`03:45.26`	`LinuxNIT`	`sounds like its confilicted`
`03:46.07`	`revdjenk`	`yes, it takes forever to get connected...that way no matter what OS is running...it is the nature of the beast`
`03:50.20`	`LinuxNIT`	`hey guys check out my ip`
`03:50.21`	`LinuxNIT`	`lol`
`03:50.33`	`revdjenk`	`I saw that`
`03:50.48`	`LinuxNIT`	`i faked it mwhahahahaa`
`03:50.49`	`revdjenk`	`really St Louis? dial up`
`03:51.00`	`LinuxNIT`	`nope im in oklahoma still`
`03:51.07`	`LinuxNIT`	`local number too`
`03:51.16`	`LinuxNIT`	`mwahahahahahhehehehehe`
`03:51.57`	`revdjenk`	`hee hee`
`03:52.22`	`LinuxNIT`	`i wish i could do taht on command though that would be cool`
`03:52.41`	`revdjenk`	`poor roxville would never know what to expect`
`03:52.50`	`LinuxNIT`	`lool`
`03:52.56`	`revdjenk`	`and nobody expects the Inquisition!`
`03:53.20`	`LinuxNIT`	`and id use a dif nick and make up abbriviations just to confuse him hehehe ;)`
`03:53.56`	`revdjenk`	`yes, like I'm really a 14 year old boy in Barstow CA!`
`03:54.00`	`revdjenk`	`mwahahahaha`
`03:55.17`	`LinuxNIT`	`lol`
`03:55.32`	`LinuxNIT`	`that explains a lot ;)`
`03:55.37`	`revdjenk`	`lol`
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`03:56.25`	`LinuxNIT`	`ah man looks like roxville timed out he missed all we just said`
`03:56.49`	`LinuxNIT`	`so much for giving him a hard time`
`03:56.57`	`LinuxNIT`	`:)`
`03:56.57`	`revdjenk`	`BTW LinuxNIT I have cured esword somewhat by renaming the kjv+.bbl to just kjv+`
`03:57.11`	`LinuxNIT`	`cool`
`03:57.23`	`LinuxNIT`	`and it still finds it?`
`03:57.25`	`roxville_`	`lol`
`03:57.26`	`LinuxNIT`	`thats wierd`
`03:57.33`	`LinuxNIT`	`wb roxville_`
`03:57.35`	`LinuxNIT`	`:)`
`03:57.36`	`roxville_`	`<roxville> Thanashiba, http://urandom.ca/mebox/... when you get a minute...`
`03:57.36`	`roxville_`	`<roxville> hmmm maybe more for nomed, if he's interested...`
`03:57.40`	`revdjenk`	`the little empty windows popping up were strong's number info`
`03:57.40`	`roxville_`	`thx :)`
`03:58.25`	`LinuxNIT`	`revdjenk, did you get that fixed?`
`03:58.36`	`LinuxNIT`	`do you have strongs numbers`
`03:59.03`	`revdjenk`	`w/o the kjv, and other bbl texts loaded, it works fine....`
`03:59.47`	`LinuxNIT`	`odd`
`03:59.49`	`revdjenk`	`oh yes, can't get the hebrew or greek working...and elive is using unicode, and I know that esword uses unicode for its foreign text`
`04:00.29`	`revdjenk`	`yes it was the Strong's pop up freezing it...wrote a letter to Rick Meyers about it.`
`04:00.31`	`LinuxNIT`	`might be a problem with no fonts installed in wine to handle the greek/hebrew`
`04:00.55`	`revdjenk`	`how to find the correct ones?`
`04:00.59`	`LinuxNIT`	`i dont think rick meyers can do anything for that since it is in wine`
`04:01.12`	`LinuxNIT`	`revdjenk, im not sure you need to ask in #winehq`
`04:01.19`	`LinuxNIT`	`i have used wine very little`
`04:01.25`	`revdjenk`	`he hasn't shown much interest in the linux prob anyway`
`04:01.33`	`LinuxNIT`	`i know`
`04:01.48`	`LinuxNIT`	`sad but at least he still works on esword`
`04:02.03`	`revdjenk`	`I wrote that he could reach more of the world using linux`
`04:02.17`	`revdjenk`	`or enabling it through wine at least`
`04:04.09`	`revdjenk`	`but I am still thankful for that early morning work you did with me to get esword working`
`04:04.13`	`LinuxNIT`	`:-/`
`04:04.20`	`LinuxNIT`	`:>`
`04:04.32`	`LinuxNIT`	`my pleasure`
`04:05.15`	`revdjenk`	`speaking of esword, did you know roxville's sister is a minister in Sweden?`
`04:05.34`	`revdjenk`	`cool,huh`
`04:07.12`	`revdjenk`	`maybe roxville is on dial up in StLouis`
`04:09.23`	`LinuxNIT`	`no i didnt know that`
`04:09.46`	`withoutclass`	`roxville_, i use easytag`
`04:11.13`	`revdjenk`	`withoutclass, roxville timed out`
`04:11.54`	`LinuxNIT`	`yes he did but what about roxville_`
`04:11.56`	`LinuxNIT`	`:)`
`04:12.01`	`revdjenk`	`ah`
`04:12.09`	`LinuxNIT`	`roxville_, is not labeled as timed out yet hehe`
`04:12.10`	`LinuxNIT`	`:)`
`04:12.15`	`revdjenk`	`14 yr old kid in Barstow CA`
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`04:13.43`	`revdjenk`	`triple threat!!!`
`04:13.46`	`LinuxNIT`	`kinda figured ya were ;)`
`04:14.53`	`revdjenk`	`why all the gymnastics`
`04:14.56`	`revdjenk`	`?`
`04:15.43`	`LinuxNIT`	`roxville, you need a script with to tell ya when you lose connections`
`04:15.52`	`LinuxNIT`	`let ya know sooner ;)`
`04:15.56`	`roxville`	`yeah...`
`04:16.14`	`LinuxNIT`	`it shouldnt be that hard to whip one up lol`
`04:16.20`	`revdjenk`	`welcome back, we've been talking about you`
`04:16.26`	`withoutclass`	`LinuxNIT, good at bash scripts?`
`04:16.36`	`revdjenk`	`hey, withoutclass will do one in bash`
`04:16.39`	`LinuxNIT`	`yeah we tend to do that while hes gone`
`04:16.48`	`withoutclass`	`yea!...not`
`04:16.51`	`LinuxNIT`	`withoutclass, not really. but it seems like it would be a simple one`
`04:17.04`	`withoutclass`	`i do not think there are many simple ones`
`04:17.05`	`LinuxNIT`	`withoutclass, i have done a coupld short ones nothing major`
`04:17.09`	`LinuxNIT`	`lol`
`04:17.12`	`LinuxNIT`	`mine was`
`04:17.14`	`LinuxNIT`	`:>`
`04:17.40`	`withoutclass`	`i think im just going to give up till i can bring this in to my TA tomorrow`
`04:18.09`	`LinuxNIT`	`checked if i was in range of my home network (wifi) and if so connected if not it checked for any open network and connected the reported result on screen`
`04:18.20`	`LinuxNIT`	`that was my simple one`
`04:18.37`	`withoutclass`	`u use swap?`
`04:18.38`	`LinuxNIT`	`cya roxville`
`04:18.40`	`withoutclass`	`cuz of gimp?`
`04:18.47`	`roxville`	`yeah, mostly`
`04:18.53`	`withoutclass`	`makes sense`
`04:18.59`	`LinuxNIT`	`is there not a way to clear the swap?`
`04:19.01`	`roxville`	`bbs`
`04:19.06`	`withoutclass`	`i have never once used my swap on elive =X`
`04:19.06`	`revdjenk`	`I thot everyone used swap in Linux`
`04:19.13`	`roxville`	`LinuxNIT, not that i know of...`
`04:19.25`	`LinuxNIT`	`everyone has it but not everyone USES it :)`
`04:19.31`	`revdjenk`	`ah`
`04:19.36`	`roxville`	`lol`
`04:19.38`	`LinuxNIT`	`it is there for when you get low on RAM`
`04:20.03`	`LinuxNIT`	`roxville, does a lot of graphical stuff so he runs out of ram faster than most`
`04:20.10`	`withoutclass`	`the closest i got was when theme switcher was going crazy and ate up 140+ mb of memory, and then i still had 200mb left`
`04:20.21`	`revdjenk`	`I'm using 10megs right now`
`04:20.29`	`LinuxNIT`	`wow`
`04:20.51`	`LinuxNIT`	`seems like mine was higher but i cant remember`
`04:20.57`	`revdjenk`	`that's what gkrellin is reporting...assuming 512 total, I think`
`04:20.59`	`LinuxNIT`	`what do yall use to report it?`
`04:21.05`	`withoutclass`	`gkrellm`
`04:21.07`	`LinuxNIT`	`k`
`04:21.11`	`LinuxNIT`	`i figured :>`
`04:21.18`	`withoutclass`	`i actaully turned off the swap monitor cuz its a waste of space on my machine`
`04:21.25`	`revdjenk`	`close, menu off the screen`
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`04:23.39`	`LinuxNIT`	`YAY hes back`
`04:24.21`	`LinuxNIT`	`roxville, returns in a triumphal march after his great victory over the swapians of memoria.`
`04:24.58`	`roxville`	`:D`
`04:25.11`	`roxville`	`yeah...`
`04:25.54`	`roxville`	`i'm so tired of this time-out thing that i... can't beging to tell you`
`04:26.06`	`LinuxNIT`	`i bet`
`04:26.13`	`LinuxNIT`	`what kinda connection?`
`04:26.38`	`roxville`	`comcast cable`
`04:26.50`	`roxville`	`i used to NEVER time out`
`04:26.56`	`LinuxNIT`	`have you talked to comcast?`
`04:27.07`	`roxville`	`no`
`04:27.16`	`LinuxNIT`	`might be worth a ashot`
`04:27.37`	`roxville`	`maybe... my surfing is really slow too`
`04:27.49`	`LinuxNIT`	`ever turn of the modem`
`04:27.50`	`LinuxNIT`	`?`
`04:27.51`	`roxville`	`but my wifes' computer surfs fine`
`04:28.04`	`LinuxNIT`	`does she time out?`
`04:28.11`	`roxville`	`so i'm more thinking it's another prob... but i can't figure it out`
`04:28.30`	`roxville`	`<LinuxNIT> does she time out? <-- not to my knowledge`
`04:28.50`	`LinuxNIT`	`i assume your on a router right?`
`04:29.18`	`roxville`	`yep`
`04:29.21`	`LinuxNIT`	`wired or wifi?`
`04:29.33`	`roxville`	`wired`
`04:29.48`	`LinuxNIT`	`have ou tried a dif port?`
`04:29.59`	`LinuxNIT`	`or maybe a dif cable?`
`04:30.13`	`roxville`	`we also have vonage, so it's a linksys router with two phone ports and three net ports`
`04:30.16`	`LinuxNIT`	`ou =you`
`04:30.39`	`LinuxNIT`	`are all three net ports used?`
`04:30.40`	`roxville`	`yeah, i tried a brand new cable`
`04:31.01`	`roxville`	`yep, all used... one for wife, one for my server and one for me`
`04:31.24`	`LinuxNIT`	`id try using a dif port for like an hour and see what happems`
`04:31.35`	`LinuxNIT`	`from wht ive seen an hour should tell ya`
`04:31.45`	`LinuxNIT`	`or less :-/`
`04:32.06`	`LinuxNIT`	`do you dual boot?`
`04:32.25`	`roxville`	`yeah.. triple even`
`04:32.40`	`LinuxNIT`	`does it happen in the other OS's as well?`
`04:32.51`	`roxville`	`dunno, i never use them`
`04:33.02`	`roxville`	`:)`
`04:33.05`	`LinuxNIT`	`id try that if i the port ting dont fix it`
`04:33.12`	`roxville`	`yeah`
`04:33.18`	`LinuxNIT`	`but those are my ideas`
`04:33.28`	`roxville`	`i need a new windows, my xp is all messed up`
`04:33.36`	`LinuxNIT`	`thats normal`
`04:33.38`	`LinuxNIT`	`;)`
`04:33.46`	`roxville`	`no desktop ini, so i have no icons, no start bar`
`04:33.53`	`LinuxNIT`	`wtf`
`04:33.59`	`LinuxNIT`	`that is messed up`
`04:34.43`	`LinuxNIT`	`did you run the ping the other day like thana suggested?`
`04:35.10`	`roxville`	`yep... no packet losses at all`
`04:35.23`	`LinuxNIT`	`it just all the sudden died?`
`04:35.52`	`roxville`	`yep, it's so weird`
`04:36.06`	`LinuxNIT`	`try running the ping on the wifes pc`
`04:36.13`	`LinuxNIT`	`see if it ever dies there too`
`04:36.32`	`LinuxNIT`	`or use xchat if shes got it to see if it times out`
`04:36.34`	`roxville`	`ok`
`04:36.39`	`roxville`	`i'm too tired now`
`04:36.43`	`LinuxNIT`	`:)`
`04:37.19`	`revdjenk`	`LinuxNIT, has coffee in his veins and a cathater in his pants`
`04:37.43`	`revdjenk`	`bloat`
`04:37.44`	`roxville`	`lol`
`04:38.04`	`LinuxNIT`	`nutella is ambrosia`
`04:38.14`	`revdjenk`	`anyway..I'm going off to bed`
`04:38.24`	`revdjenk`	`thanx for the entertainment`
`04:38.27`	`roxville`	`sleep tight revdjenk`
`04:38.35`	`LinuxNIT`	`night revdjenk`
`04:38.38`	`roxville`	`no prob, it's on us :)`
`04:38.47`	`revdjenk`	`hee ehe`
`04:39.00`	`LinuxNIT`	`roxville, its nowonder you time out`
`04:39.05`	`roxville`	`after eating this stuff... JIF tastes like crap`
`04:39.11`	`roxville`	`LOL`
`04:39.15`	`LinuxNIT`	`all that peanut butter is cloggin the network calbes`
`04:39.25`	`LinuxNIT`	`duh`
`04:39.26`	`LinuxNIT`	`;)`
`04:39.58`	`roxville`	`:D`
`04:40.07`	`withoutclass`	`gremlins..`
`04:40.16`	`roxville`	`lol`
`04:40.22`	`roxville`	`here we go again...`
`04:40.52`	`LinuxNIT`	`btw roxville`
`04:41.00`	`LinuxNIT`	`your wife is on windows right?`
`04:42.17`	`LinuxNIT`	`roxville, to get ping to not stop after three hits in windows use -t`
`04:42.22`	`roxville`	`mostly.. she uses "U" every now and then`
`04:42.40`	`roxville`	`ok`
`04:45.40`	`LinuxNIT`	`i get 12% loss on packets on dialup`
`04:45.49`	`LinuxNIT`	`thats bad`
`04:45.58`	`roxville`	`yeah`
`04:48.32`	`LinuxNIT`	`but i dont time out ;) hehe`
`04:48.48`	`roxville`	`that's a plus... trust me`
`04:49.05`	`LinuxNIT`	`:>`
`04:49.45`	`LinuxNIT`	`roxville, this just in from ##windows :`
`04:49.50`	`LinuxNIT`	`Demia so I shouldnt complain`
`04:49.50`	`LinuxNIT`	`Demia I actually miss comcast cable from chicago`
`04:49.50`	`LinuxNIT`	`Demia it wasnt the most reliable but it was very fast and not expensive`
`04:49.54`	`LinuxNIT`	`lol`
`04:50.37`	`LinuxNIT`	`yeah`
`04:50.42`	`roxville`	`but man, the new azureus runs NICE!`
`04:51.08`	`roxville`	`yeah, comcast is great!`
`04:51.09`	`LinuxNIT`	`just htough it was funny that this guy also said "it wasnt the most reliable...."`
`04:51.50`	`roxville`	`well it has been very reliable... until now...`
`04:52.07`	`LinuxNIT`	`yeah but it sounds internal to me`
`04:52.15`	`LinuxNIT`	`but im a ammature too so....`
`04:52.52`	`LinuxNIT`	`ammature is a self procalaimed status.... i appear like a noob in some company`
`04:53.04`	`roxville`	`lol`
`04:53.12`	`roxville`	`as do i... or most of the time`
`04:53.23`	`LinuxNIT`	`:>`
`04:53.28`	`LinuxNIT`	`itll change`
`04:53.41`	`roxville`	`except if you saw me play music live... you'd know i know my stuff`
`04:53.52`	`LinuxNIT`	`:>`
`04:53.56`	`roxville`	`:)`
`04:54.36`	`roxville`	`or... i know how to take my audience...`
`04:54.52`	`roxville`	`a lot of times, that makes up for not knowing songs, etc`
`04:55.09`	`LinuxNIT`	`:)`
`04:56.46`	`LinuxNIT`	`oh yeah roxville and let me know if any of my ideas had any effect. ( i kinda like to know if my ideas are worthwhile or just .....) :)`
`04:57.30`	`roxville`	`lol, ok... i will :)`
`04:57.38`	`LinuxNIT`	`ty`
`04:57.39`	`LinuxNIT`	`:>`
`04:58.24`	`roxville`	`we have had probs with low bandwidth out from our house... last fall`
`04:58.37`	`LinuxNIT`	`if i give out a idea to someone and they are like ill try it later " my brains like did it work did ti work did it work... " lol`
`04:58.47`	`roxville`	`they couldn't see it from the call center, all they do is ping`
`04:58.58`	`LinuxNIT`	`that sucks`
`04:59.00`	`roxville`	`lol`
`04:59.20`	`LinuxNIT`	`yeah my brain works kinda odd sometimes`
`05:00.31`	`roxville`	`no, it's understandable`
`05:00.42`	`roxville`	`i wanna know too`
`05:00.47`	`LinuxNIT`	`ok good :>`
`05:04.16`	`dererk`	`I hate you all!!! >(`
`05:04.35`	`dererk`	`I'll rip your heads off! >(`
`05:04.44`	`dererk`	`Naaa, just kidding :D`
`05:04.51`	`LinuxNIT`	`good luck reaching it`
`05:04.59`	`LinuxNIT`	`youd never find me`
`05:05.09`	`dererk`	`LinuxNIT, I love you man :*`
`05:05.10`	`dererk`	`^^`
`05:05.15`	`LinuxNIT`	`especially if you started with my ip hehehe`
`05:05.21`	`LinuxNIT`	`:>`
`05:05.24`	`dererk`	`I love you too roxville ^^`
`05:05.43`	`roxville`	`awww`
`05:05.46`	`LinuxNIT`	`see my ip dererk`
`05:06.00`	`LinuxNIT`	`now where would you guess i am located`
`05:06.13`	`dererk`	`* [LinuxNIT] (n=LinuxNIT@dialup-4.245.50.89.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net): LinuxNIT---`
`05:06.14`	`dererk`	`* [LinuxNIT] #elive-dev #elive #oklinux #libranet ##windows`
`05:06.16`	`dererk`	`@_@`
`05:06.23`	`dererk`	`##windows @_@`
`05:06.52`	`LinuxNIT`	`so i like to watch fools stubmle around.... big deal`
`05:07.00`	`LinuxNIT`	`*stumble`
`05:07.01`	`roxville`	`dererk, finding LinuxNIT is easy... go to oklahoma, pass Tuttle, and look for the only dude who does NOT have his head up a cows ass`
`05:07.02`	`dererk`	`LMAO`
`05:07.18`	`LinuxNIT`	`lol`
`05:07.28`	`dererk`	`LMAO ^2`
`05:07.45`	`LinuxNIT`	`oklahoma is the quarter horse captial of the world`
`05:07.59`	`LinuxNIT`	`wisconsin has all the dairy cows`
`05:07.59`	`LinuxNIT`	`:>`
`05:08.41`	`roxville`	`og course...`
`05:08.55`	`LinuxNIT`	`i had to defend my worthless state`
`05:08.59`	`LinuxNIT`	`:-/`
`05:09.02`	`roxville`	`dererk, finding LinuxNIT is easy... go to oklahoma, pass Tuttle, and look for the only dude who does NOT have his head up a qurter horse's ass ass`
`05:09.28`	`LinuxNIT`	`no no no they are quarter horses`
`05:09.44`	`LinuxNIT`	`not qurter`
`05:09.46`	`LinuxNIT`	`;)`
`05:09.49`	`LinuxNIT`	`hehehe`
`05:09.58`	`LinuxNIT`	`sorry`
`05:10.36`	`roxville`	`not qurter?`
`05:10.41`	`roxville`	`hmmmm`
`05:10.45`	`dererk`	`roxville, like this?:`
`05:10.46`	`LinuxNIT`	`nope sorrt`
`05:10.47`	`dererk`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:10.47`	`dererk`	`< LinuxNIT, what're you doing? >`
`05:10.47`	`dererk`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:10.47`	`dererk`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:10.47`	`dererk`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:10.48`	`dererk`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:10.50`	`dererk`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:10.52`	`dererk`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:10.54`	`dererk`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:10.56`	`dererk`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:10.58`	`LinuxNIT`	`omg`
`05:10.58`	`dererk`	`:PPP`
`05:11.00`	`roxville`	`i know even why they are called quarter horses`
`05:11.04`	`LinuxNIT`	`you are borred`
`05:11.19`	`roxville`	`lol`
`05:11.27`	`roxville`	`dererk, i said NOT`
`05:11.42`	`dererk`	`Oh`
`05:11.43`	`LinuxNIT`	`yeah thats my neighbor`
`05:12.02`	`dererk`	`I ruin off the joke :-s`
`05:12.52`	`roxville`	`LOL`
`05:16.32`	`roxville`	`wow, i have NOT timed out...`
`05:16.50`	`LinuxNIT`	`change anything?`
`05:17.24`	`LinuxNIT`	`i threatened your router ;)`
`05:18.45`	`LinuxNIT`	`told it i would shove my head up its ass if it didnt stop timing you out..... then it saw the pic dererk sent over the net and knew i was serious`
`05:19.32`	`dererk`	`LinuxNIT, ·_#`
`05:19.51`	`LinuxNIT`	`what kinda face is that/`
`05:19.53`	`LinuxNIT`	`?`
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`05:21.40`	`roxville_`	`<roxville> yeah, the ping from my wife's computer shows time-outs too!`
`05:21.42`	`roxville_`	`<roxville> so it MAY be comcast... or the cable after all...`
`05:21.44`	`roxville_`	`<roxville> cool, coz that means i do not TOTALLY have my head up my ass`
`05:21.47`	`dererk`	`I don't know how it's called`
`05:21.51`	`dererk`	`It's a "monoculo"`
`05:22.02`	`LinuxNIT`	`lmao`
`05:22.09`	`dererk`	`in spanish, but I don't know the translation`
`05:22.15`	`LinuxNIT`	`roxville_, you shouldnt have opended your mouth`
`05:22.22`	`roxville_`	`LOL`
`05:22.35`	`roxville_`	`i didn't, i was typing it...`
`05:23.00`	`LinuxNIT`	`roxville wow, i have NOT timed out.. <<<<<<<<<<`
`05:23.14`	`LinuxNIT`	`lol`
`05:23.16`	`roxville_`	`LOL`
`05:23.47`	`roxville_`	`ok, i'm timing myself out and over to the bed...`
`05:23.50`	`roxville_`	`night`
`05:23.57`	`LinuxNIT`	`night`
`05:24.05`	`dererk`	`roxville_, night! :)`
`05:24.11`	`LinuxNIT`	`good luck when talking to comcast`
`05:24.29`	`dererk`	`:PPPPP`
`05:24.47`	`dererk`	`dreams*`
`05:25.34`	`dererk`	`hahahaha`
`05:25.37`	`LinuxNIT`	`pun intended`
`05:25.39`	`LinuxNIT`	`:>`
`05:25.41`	`dererk`	`good one`
`05:25.51`	`dererk`	`apt, x en es pun`
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`05:26.18`	`LinuxNIT`	`apt x es en retruécano`
`05:26.27`	`LinuxNIT`	`wtf`
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`05:48.18`	`LinuxNIT`	`well good night folks`
`05:48.31`	`LinuxNIT`	`cyall later`
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`08:36.55`	`blizzard`	`thana: here?`
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`08:58.11`	`Elive_user91`	`hey`
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`08:59.03`	`Elive_user91`	`running the Elive CD, I have now changed the resolution, is 640x480, to 1600x1200`
`08:59.16`	`Elive_user91`	`now it says i need to restart the graphics`
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`09:00.16`	`Elive_user91`	`but when i select -restart enlightenment- from the meny that pops up when i push left mouse button`
`09:00.25`	`Elive_user91`	`is does nothing ;/`
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`09:05.35`	`Elive_user91`	`anyone`
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`09:08.15`	`pycs`	`hello :)`
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`09:10.52`	`Elive_user91`	`hi, is it possible to change resolution in elive, doesn't seem to work`
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`11:39.20`	`pycs`	`hello :)`
`11:39.43`	`Elive_user`	`Hello`
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`11:40.16`	`pycs`	`what's up Elive_user :)`
`11:41.05`	`_H_`	`bueno, ya esta`
`11:41.09`	`_H_`	`ya he instalado el elive`
`11:41.14`	`Elive_user`	`Well not much really. Happy user... Problems with wine though. I guess Xchat logs into this channel by deffault...`
`11:41.20`	`_H_`	`ahora a ver que tal se ha cargado todo :)`
`11:41.24`	`_H_`	`see u later`
`11:41.42`	`pycs`	`yes.. it does by default :)`
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`11:47.02`	`_H_`	`bueno, ya toy dentro`
`11:47.14`	`_H_`	`jejeje`
`11:47.53`	`_H_`	`hmmm`
`11:48.02`	`_H_`	`la resolucion no es de 1600`
`11:48.06`	`_H_`	`hmmmmm`
`11:48.08`	`_H_`	`merd`
`11:49.53`	`_H_`	`lo parece y el xorg.conf lo dice pero creo que no lo es`
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`11:51.39`	`pycs`	`is it possible to simulate webcam in linux?`
`11:52.16`	`_H_`	`its possible to use webcam`
`11:53.00`	`pycs`	`yeah, i konw it is possible to use webcam :)`
`11:53.49`	`pycs`	`but is it possible to have the source of the video file?`
`11:55.41`	`_H_`	`sorry, i dont know. I feel It must be possible, but i dont know`
`11:56.29`	`_H_`	`thanatermesis, estas?`
`11:56.50`	`pycs`	`_H_, have you used webcam in elive?`
`11:57.10`	`_H_`	`i just instaled the elive today for the very first time`
`11:57.25`	`pycs`	`oh i c.. :)`
`11:57.29`	`_H_`	`:)`
`11:57.29`	`pycs`	`great..`
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`11:58.17`	`pycs`	`_H_, how is your expirience?`
`11:58.35`	`_H_`	`i have one problem with resolution`
`11:58.44`	`_H_`	`i feel its not my 1600x1200`
`11:58.56`	`pycs`	`ah ok..`
`11:59.02`	`_H_`	`do you know how to know it?`
`11:59.08`	`bodha`	`coucou, bonjour ;D`
`11:59.25`	`pycs`	`i don't know much about Xorg :(`
`11:59.32`	`_H_`	`:)`
`11:59.38`	`_H_`	`no problem`
`11:59.44`	`pycs`	`:)`
`11:59.54`	`_H_`	`is any info place in the elive?`
`12:00.13`	`_H_`	`i know the xorg.conf file`
`12:00.26`	`_H_`	`but i dont think its runing well`
`12:01.02`	`pycs`	`what is your resolution now?`
`12:01.05`	`_H_`	`xrandr`
`12:01.13`	`_H_`	`i have it at 1600 :))`
`12:01.24`	`pycs`	`:)`
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`13:12.48`	`_H_`	`alguien sabe como meter el wireless en el elive?`
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`13:24.32`	`_H_`	`anyone can use zd1211?`
`13:25.08`	`_H_`	`i did modprobe zd1211 and the answer was, "insmod: can't read 'zd1211': No such file or directory`
`13:25.09`	`_H_`	`"`
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`13:26.49`	`dererk`	`_H_, solo veo ese modulo en el kernel 2.6.11 de elive`
`13:27.37`	`_H_`	`aja`
`13:28.02`	`_H_`	`entonces... que puedo hacer?`
`13:28.07`	`dererk`	`compilarlo`
`13:28.18`	`_H_`	`yo tengo el 12 ahora`
`13:28.57`	`dererk`	`_H_, esta en los repositorios de debian!`
`13:29.17`	`dererk`	`_H_, usa module_assistant`
`13:29.21`	`dererk`	`es muy facil`
`13:29.31`	`_H_`	`ok`
`13:30.36`	`dererk`	`_H_, os digo como es: apt-get install module-assistant`
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`13:31.19`	`dererk`	`m-a prepare autoinstall zd1211`
`13:31.27`	`dererk`	`m-a autoinstall zd1211`
`13:31.30`	`dererk`	`y listo :D`
`13:32.38`	`_H_`	`E: No se pudo encontrar el paquete linux-headers-2.6.12`
`13:33.00`	`_H_`	`ha intentado hacer esto: apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.12`
`13:33.01`	`dererk`	`_H_, tienes que tener la linea descomentada de mosix`
`13:33.03`	`dererk`	`perdon`
`13:33.09`	`dererk`	`morphix`
`13:33.27`	`dererk`	`_H_, deb http://www.morphix.org/debian ./`
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`13:33.52`	`_H_`	`voy a descomentarla`
`13:34.27`	`dererk`	`_H_, recuerda apt-get update despues`
`13:34.38`	`dererk`	`s/recuerda/recuerda correr/`
`13:34.55`	`_H_`	`en marcha`
`13:36.44`	`_H_`	`he hecho el update`
`13:36.57`	`_H_`	`y luego lo que tu me decias sigue dando el problema del headers`
`13:37.30`	`_H_`	`E: No se pudo encontrar el paquete linux-headers-2.6.12`
`13:38.52`	`_H_`	`tu lo ves el headers en el apt-cache search linux-headers ?`
`13:39.01`	`dererk`	`espera que me fijo`
`13:39.10`	`dererk`	`si`
`13:39.11`	`dererk`	`lo veo`
`13:39.21`	`dererk`	`p kernel-source-2.6.12 - Linux kernel source for version 2.6.12`
`13:39.28`	`_H_`	`pero en version 12 o en version 16 como yo?`
`13:39.31`	`_H_`	`que raro`
`13:39.58`	`dererk`	`_H_, has: cat /etc/apt/sources.list \|grep morphix`
`13:40.17`	`_H_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:40.35`	`dererk`	`_H_, chequea de tener solo esa linea descomentada`
`13:40.40`	`dererk`	`_H_, comenta el resto`
`13:41.18`	`_H_`	`ok, comento todo el resto`
`13:41.27`	`_H_`	`eso no lo hice antes`
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`13:43.10`	`_H_`	`malas noticias`
`13:43.19`	`_H_`	`sigue dandome el 16 y el 15 no el 12`
`13:43.49`	`_H_`	`aunque solo me da dos`
`13:43.59`	`dererk`	`cuales dos?`
`13:44.14`	`dererk`	`ah`
`13:44.17`	`_H_`	`linux-headers-2.6.16-morphix - Header files related to Linux kernel, specifically,`
`13:44.17`	`_H_`	`linux-headers-2.6.15 - Header files related to Linux kernel, specifically,`
`13:44.27`	`_H_`	`no entiendo porque tu ves otros :)`
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`13:45.20`	`dererk`	`no soy yo _H_`
`13:45.22`	`dererk`	`_H_, http://www.morphix.org/debian/binaries/`
`13:45.31`	`dererk`	`fijate, ahi estan toditos :)`
`13:46.01`	`dererk`	`[ ] kernel-image-2.6.11_..> 10-Apr-2005 17:08 13.0M`
`13:46.01`	`dererk`	`[ ] kernel-image-2.6.12_..> 07-Aug-2005 17:46 12.8M`
`13:46.01`	`dererk`	`[ ] kernel-image-2.6.13_..> 01-Sep-2005 08:15 13.4M`
`13:46.25`	`_H_`	`yo no tengo esa linea`
`13:46.30`	`_H_`	`yo tengo esto: deb http://www.morphix.org/debian ./`
`13:46.41`	`_H_`	`no dice nada de binaries`
`13:47.03`	`dererk`	`nono, ese es el site visualizado`
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`13:47.20`	`dererk`	`_H_, bueno, bajalo a mano y luego has dpkg -i kernel-image-blabla`
`13:47.24`	`_H_`	`espera`
`13:47.26`	`_H_`	`ya se que pasa`
`13:47.32`	`_H_`	`yo no estoy en livecd mode`
`13:47.37`	`_H_`	`yo he instalado el elive hoy`
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`13:47.55`	`Kennyjb402`	`Hi roxville`
`13:48.24`	`dererk`	`_H_, si, es igual`
`13:48.30`	`_H_`	`en el sources.list dice que esa linea es para los que estan solo en liveCD mode`
`13:48.45`	`Elive_user3`	`Hey there. I just bought the linux format magazine featuring vmplayer... I wanted to install on elive but alas it doesn't seem to work. Did anyone succeed in this?`
`13:49.21`	`_H_`	`morphix repository ONLY for the liveCD mode, if you need for example the headers of the 2.6.11 kernel`
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`13:52.36`	`_H_`	`dererk he intentado volver a poner los que estaban antes pero ahora no veo ningun headers`
`13:52.43`	`_H_`	`tienen que estar descomentados todos?`
`13:53.35`	`roxville`	`hi Kennyjb402`
`13:53.54`	`Kennyjb402`	`:)`
`13:54.11`	`roxville`	`sorry for being afk... i had breakfast with my daughter... not always an easy task... :)`
`13:54.27`	`Kennyjb402`	`lol`
`13:54.33`	`Tanner`	`heh heh heh... still whining eh roxville?`
`13:54.38`	`Kennyjb402`	`I know the feeling`
`13:54.54`	`Tanner`	`jk`
`13:55.18`	`roxville`	`Tanner, wow! first innovati, then you... how's it going, bro? :)`
`13:55.29`	`Tanner`	`not too bad at all`
`13:55.58`	`roxville`	`and... i'm sorry, but i have to spank you for being away so long...`
`13:56.07`	`Tanner`	`innovati told me that you were asking about me`
`13:56.17`	`_H_`	`nada, no aparecen dererk, ahora solo tengo los 15 no el 16 ni el 11 ni el 12`
`13:56.23`	`Tanner`	`oh my`
`13:56.28`	`Elive_user3`	`What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running`
`13:56.28`	`Elive_user3`	`kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include]`
`13:56.45`	`Elive_user3`	`Where do I look?`
`13:56.54`	`Elive_user2`	`why would you use vmplayer?`
`13:57.03`	`roxville`	`Elive_user... hmmm`
`13:57.14`	`roxville`	`Elive_user3...hmmm`
`13:57.17`	`roxville`	`:)`
`13:57.58`	`roxville`	`you would have to ask either Thanatermesis or GplGeek... they know that kind of stuff`
`13:58.01`	`Elive_user3`	`Elive_user2: Because I need to install windows on it`
`13:58.10`	`roxville`	`especially Thanatermesis since he's mr. elive :)`
`13:58.11`	`Elive_user2`	`aaah ok...`
`13:58.50`	`roxville`	`Taka0, do you know this?`
`13:59.31`	`Elive_user2`	`hold on i'm checking`
`14:00.32`	`Elive_user2`	`hmm just thinking... you don't need header files to run linux, only header files to compile`
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`14:01.24`	`Elive_user3`	`Elive_user2: right`
`14:01.33`	`_H_`	`he arrancado con el 11 a ver`
`14:01.35`	`roxville`	`Elive_user2 and Elive_user3, could you please change your nicks to something a little more personal?`
`14:01.56`	`roxville`	`just type: /nick andyournewnick`
`14:02.35`	`roxville`	`thank you Antimon :)`
`14:02.37`	`Tanner`	`now known? that's just a little corny`
`14:02.49`	`roxville`	`and of course... the always incognito... lordbambi :)`
`14:02.55`	`_H_`	`sigue dando ese problema ::(`
`14:03.07`	`lordbambi`	`the current kernel can be found in /boot`
`14:03.26`	`lordbambi`	`too many computers, to many reinstalls :-)`
`14:03.47`	`lordbambi`	`i should make my nick elive_user..., then i don't have to change it all the time`
`14:04.16`	`roxville`	`lol`
`14:04.31`	`lordbambi`	`and btw header file are part of the compiler, not of the kernel.. i think`
`14:05.23`	`roxville`	`i think you think right`
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`14:06.02`	`lordbambi`	`if i remember my C++ classes correct, a header file is a premade class.`
`14:06.16`	`Tanner`	`that's right`
`14:06.34`	`Tanner`	`thier basically c libraries`
`14:06.54`	`lordbambi`	`:-)... i hate c++ btw... java is a lot nicer to program in`
`14:06.59`	`_H_`	`dererk puedes repetirme lo de como usar el module-assistant?`
`14:07.01`	`Tanner`	`holla!`
`14:07.11`	`Tanner`	`Java boy right here`
`14:07.18`	`lordbambi`	`ls`
`14:07.23`	`lordbambi`	`oops wrong hightlight :-)`
`14:07.39`	`roxville`	`well Tanner it's good to see you again... how's you elive running?`
`14:07.54`	`Tanner`	`... I deleted the partion...`
`14:08.41`	`Tanner`	`partly cause I didn't have the time to start learning a new OS from scrath`
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`14:08.55`	`lordbambi`	`if you know debian you know all debians...`
`14:09.02`	`Tanner`	`and mostly cause I only have a 40gb harddrive`
`14:09.15`	`Tanner`	`and i don't...`
`14:09.18`	`lordbambi`	`i've been using debian for 5 years now, and elive is just like all the rest`
`14:09.32`	`lordbambi`	`it is pretty easy to learn. are yo used to linux?`
`14:09.35`	`Kennyjb402`	`:(`
`14:09.52`	`Tanner`	`no. not all. elive was my first distro`
`14:10.02`	`lordbambi`	`ooh bad choice Tanner`
`14:10.20`	`Tanner`	`yeah.... I blame innovati`
`14:10.26`	`lordbambi`	`i would sujest cugh ubuntu cugh`
`14:10.32`	`Tanner`	`It was really pretty while it lasted though`
`14:10.38`	`Tanner`	`that's what I said!`
`14:10.56`	`lordbambi`	`ubuntu is elive just more user freandly and stable`
`14:10.57`	`Tanner`	`and he was like "This is your brain and this is your brain on ubuntu."`
`14:11.12`	`Tanner`	`except with gestures`
`14:11.35`	`Tanner`	`I thought I'd let him burn me the new version of elive though`
`14:11.36`	`lordbambi`	`a friend of mine is a linux NOOB and he is using ubuntu for 1 month and doesn't even want to go back to windows...`
`14:11.40`	`Tanner`	`just to check it out`
`14:12.15`	`lordbambi`	`if you have a friend in real life that is good in linux, you can run and understand it within 1 month`
`14:12.32`	`Tanner`	`ubuntu runs what instead of enlightenment`
`14:12.37`	`lordbambi`	`linux is really really easy, but someone has to explain it to you in a good way, and you have to be willing to learn`
`14:12.40`	`lordbambi`	`it uses gnome`
`14:12.41`	`roxville`	`<Tanner> no. not all. elive was my first distro`
`14:12.41`	`roxville`	`<lordbambi> ooh bad choice Tanner`
`14:13.07`	`Tanner`	`really into the spanking this morning eh roxville?`
`14:13.10`	`lordbambi`	`elive is a bit to .... unstable and buggy at the moment for my taste`
`14:13.13`	`roxville`	`lol`
`14:13.25`	`roxville`	`yeah`
`14:13.45`	`roxville`	`i'm an ubuntu convert... i have no objections, really :)`
`14:13.47`	`lordbambi`	`and for someone who doesn't know linux, a bit to confusing with all the bugs`
`14:14.04`	`Antimon`	`lordbambi: I tried many dists and to me they are all unstable and buggy. So I go for the nicest looking...`
`14:14.05`	`lordbambi`	`use ubuntu, learn ubuntu and after 2-3 months switch to elive`
`14:14.34`	`lordbambi`	`debian sarge is stable... i use it on my servers`
`14:14.35`	`Tanner`	`yeah... the one thing I couldn't get my brain around was that there was no windows-style control panel`
`14:14.44`	`roxville`	`lordbambi, you should write a howto on becoming an elive user :)`
`14:14.54`	`lordbambi`	`hehe`
`14:15.00`	`roxville`	`"the elive_users guide to the galaxy"`
`14:15.06`	`Tanner`	`:D`
`14:15.08`	`lordbambi`	`i'm actually still a debian user, not an elive user`
`14:15.16`	`lordbambi`	`my love is debian`
`14:15.27`	`roxville`	`"so long, and thanks for all the bash"`
`14:15.41`	`Tanner`	`okay`
`14:15.49`	`lordbambi`	`the last non debian i used a non debian is a redhat 6.x`
`14:15.53`	`lordbambi`	`lol roxville`
`14:16.10`	`Antimon`	`lordbambi then you can help me finding those damned c headers so that I can install vmplayer..`
`14:16.11`	`Tanner`	`may 25 is towel day`
`14:16.39`	`lordbambi`	`in belgium we have a national day of masturbation ;-)`
`14:16.49`	`roxville`	`hehe`
`14:16.58`	`lordbambi`	`antimon what are you trying to do and when do you get the error`
`14:17.04`	`Tanner`	`-.-`
`14:17.30`	`Tanner`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Towel_day`
`14:17.31`	`Antimon`	`lordbambi The installation program for vmplayer says: What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running`
`14:17.31`	`Antimon`	`kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include]`
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`14:18.00`	`Antimon`	`[/usr/src/linux/include] is the deafault option, but alas: no headers`
`14:18.22`	`lordbambi`	`what kernel are you running?`
`14:18.42`	`Antimon`	`2.6.12 i think`
`14:18.53`	`lordbambi`	`did you download another kernel?`
`14:18.53`	`Antimon`	`Your kernel was built with "gcc" version "4.0.2", while you are trying to use`
`14:18.53`	`Antimon`	`"/usr/bin/gcc-4.0" version "4.0.3". This configuration is not recommended and`
`14:18.53`	`Antimon`	`VMware Player may crash if you'll continue. Please try to use exactly same`
`14:18.53`	`Antimon`	`compiler as one used for building your kernel. Do you want to go with compiler`
`14:18.53`	`Antimon`	`"/usr/bin/gcc-4.0" version "4.0.3" anyway? [no] yes`
`14:19.02`	`Antimon`	`no.`
`14:19.17`	`lordbambi`	`ok hold on`
`14:19.17`	`Antimon`	`The previous was what got me there...`
`14:21.44`	`lordbambi`	`crap elive doesn't use the default debian kernel`
`14:21.57`	`Antimon`	`damn`
`14:22.31`	`lordbambi`	`have you ever compiled a kernel?`
`14:23.18`	`Antimon`	`Tried it several times never succesful.`
`14:23.37`	`lordbambi`	`ok but then you know the basics.... first we are going to download a 2.6.15 kernel with sources`
`14:23.46`	`roxville`	`<lordbambi> i'm actually still a debian user, not an elive user <-- i think elive 0.5 will be one of the cleanest, purest debian systems you have ever seen...`
`14:23.48`	`lordbambi`	`do you use nvidia or ati drivers?`
`14:24.01`	`roxville`	`unless thana comes up with a million patches, of course :)`
`14:24.06`	`lordbambi`	`lol`
`14:24.38`	`Antimon`	`lordbambi: I don't know I think nvidia. How do I tjeck?`
`14:24.52`	`lordbambi`	`do you have an nvidia card?`
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`14:25.19`	`Antimon`	`lordbambi: That's what I don't remember... I just changed my system`
`14:25.27`	`lordbambi`	`if i answer a bit slow it is becouse i'm playing planeshift (on elive)`
`14:25.49`	`lordbambi`	`type lspci`
`14:26.07`	`lordbambi`	`it lists your pci devices`
`14:26.38`	`Antimon`	`Ati`
`14:26.43`	`lordbambi`	`ls= list SO lspci :-)`
`14:26.49`	`lordbambi`	`is it a new ati card?`
`14:26.56`	`Antimon`	`9100`
`14:27.07`	`lordbambi`	`new enough. i think you can use the ati compiled kernel`
`14:27.17`	`Antimon`	`ok`
`14:28.26`	`lordbambi`	`apt-cache search fglrx`
`14:28.49`	`lordbambi`	`i've only done the nvidia kernel but i think it will be the same thing`
`14:28.58`	`lordbambi`	`apt-get install fglrx-kernel-2.6.12`
`14:29.18`	`lordbambi`	`apt-get install fglrx-kernel-src`
`14:30.27`	`Antimon`	`done`
`14:30.29`	`lordbambi`	`hold on...`
`14:31.14`	`lordbambi`	`do you play games antimon?`
`14:31.26`	`Antimon`	`lordbambi: not really`
`14:31.39`	`lordbambi`	`ok then we are going for the normal 2.6.15 kernel sorry about that`
`14:31.44`	`Antimon`	`But i guess i'm about to?`
`14:31.52`	`lordbambi`	`no... :-)`
`14:32.13`	`Antimon`	`What's wrong with the ati kernel?`
`14:32.17`	`lordbambi`	`apt-get install linux-image-2.6.15-1-686`
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`14:32.34`	`lordbambi`	`apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.15-1-686`
`14:32.55`	`lordbambi`	`apt-get install linux-source-2.6.15`
`14:33.12`	`lordbambi`	`apt-get install linux-tree-2.6.15`
`14:33.27`	`lordbambi`	`there was no source in the apt-repositories for the ati kernel...`
`14:33.33`	`lordbambi`	`so apt-get those 4 things`
`14:33.52`	`Antimon`	`ok. It'll take a while though...`
`14:34.08`	`lordbambi`	`i'm gonna have a smoke outside be back in 5 mins`
`14:34.10`	`roxville_`	`but lordbambi elive has it's own 2.6.15 kernel`
`14:34.30`	`lordbambi`	`yea he is downloading that one`
`14:34.54`	`lordbambi`	`but there is no ati 12.6.15 kernel :-(`
`14:36.08`	`roxville_`	`but the ati stuff is there too... isn't it?`
`14:36.40`	`roxville_`	`i'm sorry, i timed out, so i haven't seen a lot of this convo`
`14:36.57`	`roxville_`	`<lordbambi> i'm gonna have a smoke outside be back in 5 mins <-- go smoke :)`
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`14:38.22`	`lordbambi`	`yea but no source`
`14:38.48`	`lordbambi`	`antimon tell me when the download is complete`
`14:39.17`	`Antimon`	`yeah. I'm with the oak`
`14:39.23`	`Antimon`	`And done`
`14:39.48`	`Antimon`	`What's next`
`14:40.21`	`lordbambi`	`next we are going to link grub to your new kernel`
`14:40.24`	`lordbambi`	`open a command line`
`14:40.32`	`lordbambi`	`become root with su`
`14:40.40`	`Antimon`	`mh`
`14:40.46`	`lordbambi`	`brb`
`14:41.58`	`Tanner`	`did we really need 2 roxvilles anyways?`
`14:42.42`	`lordbambi`	`ok back`
`14:42.47`	`lordbambi`	`go to /boot`
`14:43.03`	`lordbambi`	`when you ls you see your kernels`
`14:43.14`	`lordbambi`	`something like this`
`14:43.21`	`lordbambi`	`vmlinuz-2.6.15-1-686`
`14:43.28`	`roxville_`	`Tanner, lol... no... i have problems with comcast right now... i'm timing out like crazy`
`14:43.32`	`Antimon`	`yeah`
`14:43.48`	`lordbambi`	`remember that line.... go to /boot/grub`
`14:44.06`	`Tanner`	`:)`
`14:44.15`	`lordbambi`	`open menu.lst with your favorite editor`
`14:44.26`	`lordbambi`	`nano, pico, vi, emacs YECH EMACS`
`14:45.08`	`lordbambi`	`there you will see something like this: title Elive kernel LiveCD`
`14:45.08`	`lordbambi`	`root (hd0,1)`
`14:45.08`	`lordbambi`	`kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.11 root=/dev/hda2 vga=0x317`
`14:45.43`	`lordbambi`	`sorry this title: title Elive GNU/Linux kernel 2.6.1`
`14:45.58`	`lordbambi`	`you see it?`
`14:46.03`	`Antimon`	`yes`
`14:46.41`	`lordbambi`	`copy the 5 lines from title to initrd /boot/initrd.... and paste it in the document`
`14:47.50`	`lordbambi`	`tell me when you finish copying...`
`14:49.16`	`Antimon`	`My kernel is 2.6.12 though. I guess it doesn't make any difference`
`14:49.22`	`lordbambi`	`nope it doesn't`
`14:49.28`	`Antimon`	`I'm done then`
`14:49.33`	`lordbambi`	`did you finish copying the 5 lines`
`14:49.44`	`Antimon`	`finished`
`14:49.52`	`lordbambi`	`change the 12 to 15 :-)`
`14:50.08`	`Antimon`	`In both documents?`
`14:50.19`	`lordbambi`	`i think you made a mistake.....`
`14:50.37`	`Antimon`	`maybe`
`14:51.00`	`lordbambi`	`ok in short: we are going to change the grub configuration to point to the new kernel`
`14:51.14`	`lordbambi`	`so open menu.lst and add the lines for the new kernel`
`14:51.15`	`Antimon`	`I copied the 5 lines in the menu.lst to initrd.img-2.6.1`
`14:51.49`	`lordbambi`	`the esiest thing is to copy the 5 lines in menu.lst, paste them in menu.lst and change the pasted lines`
`14:52.00`	`lordbambi`	`that way you can still boot your old kernel and try the new kernel`
`14:52.06`	`Antimon`	`ok... Now I get it...`
`14:52.14`	`lordbambi`	`the result is this:`
`14:52.26`	`lordbambi`	`title Elive GNU/Linux kernel 2.6.12`
`14:52.26`	`lordbambi`	`# kernel path-to-kernel root=rootdevice kernelarguments`
`14:52.26`	`lordbambi`	`root (hd0,1)`
`14:52.26`	`lordbambi`	`kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12 root=/dev/hda2 vga=0x317 acpi=off`
`14:52.26`	`lordbambi`	`initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.12`
`14:52.27`	`lordbambi`	`title Elive GNU/Linux kernel 2.6.15`
`14:52.28`	`lordbambi`	`# kernel path-to-kernel root=rootdevice kernelarguments`
`14:52.30`	`lordbambi`	`root (hd0,1)`
`14:52.33`	`lordbambi`	`kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15 root=/dev/hda2 vga=0x317 acpi=off`
`14:52.35`	`lordbambi`	`initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.15`
`14:53.06`	`Antimon`	`ok done`
`14:53.13`	`lordbambi`	`in short you are making a new entry in the boot screen of grub`
`14:53.26`	`lordbambi`	`ok now you reboot and try to boot the new line you added`
`14:54.07`	`Antimon`	`ok... Thank you so far`
`14:54.14`	`lordbambi`	`see you in a few minutes`
`14:54.18`	`Antimon`	`yep`
`14:54.28`	`lordbambi`	`i love kernels in debian it is soo easy`
`14:54.38`	`lordbambi`	`apt-get and grub... finished`
`14:58.19`	`lordbambi`	`apt kernel`
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`14:58.40`	`lordbambi`	`antimon, did it work?`
`14:58.45`	`Antimon`	`No`
`14:58.56`	`lordbambi`	`what error message did you get?`
`14:58.58`	`Antimon`	`I made a mistake somewhere`
`14:59.16`	`lordbambi`	`you did see the 2.6.15 image in /boot?`
`14:59.17`	`Antimon`	`I reffered to a nonexisting kernel...`
`14:59.25`	`Antimon`	`yes`
`14:59.32`	`lordbambi`	`check for typo's in menu.lst`
`14:59.45`	`Antimon`	`yeah`
`14:59.50`	`lordbambi`	`i will write down my lines...`
`15:00.12`	`lordbambi`	`title Elive GNU/Linux kernel 2.6.15`
`15:00.18`	`lordbambi`	`root (hd0,1)`
`15:00.53`	`lordbambi`	`ok i found the mistake... you have kernel 2.6.15-1-686 :-)`
`15:01.04`	`Antimon`	`yeah`
`15:01.23`	`lordbambi`	`so change kernel and initrd to 2.6.15-1-686`
`15:02.47`	`Antimon`	`ok done. I'll try again... See you in a bit`
`15:03.00`	`lordbambi`	`ok`
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`15:06.49`	`lordbambi`	`and antimon did it work :-)`
`15:07.17`	`antimon`	`lordbambi: it froze on me... It said waiting for root file system`
`15:07.32`	`lordbambi`	`hmmmm`
`15:07.36`	`antimon`	`Maybe I was unpatient`
`15:07.49`	`lordbambi`	`post your menu.lst on the chat plz`
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`15:08.53`	`antimon`	`root@elive[/boot/grub]# ls`
`15:08.53`	`antimon`	`# See www.gnu.org/software/grub for details`
`15:08.53`	`antimon`	`# By default, boot the first entry`
`15:08.53`	`antimon`	`default 0`
`15:08.53`	`antimon`	`# Boot automatically after 5 seconds`
`15:08.53`	`antimon`	`timeout 5`
`15:08.55`	`antimon`	`title Elive GNU/Linux kernel 2.6.15`
`15:08.57`	`antimon`	`# kernel path-to-kernel root=rootdevice kernelarguments`
`15:09.01`	`antimon`	`root (hd0,0)`
`15:09.03`	`antimon`	`kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-1-686 root=/dev/hda1 vga=0x317`
`15:09.04`	`*** join/#elive gnaunited (n=Alex@65-100-176-109.hlrn.qwest.net)`
`15:09.05`	`antimon`	`initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.15-1-686`
`15:09.07`	`antimon`	`title Elive GNU/Linux kernel 2.6.12`
`15:09.09`	`antimon`	`# kernel path-to-kernel root=rootdevice kernelarguments`
`15:09.11`	`antimon`	`root (hd0,0)`
`15:09.13`	`antimon`	`kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12 root=/dev/hda1 vga=0x317`
`15:09.15`	`antimon`	`initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.12`
`15:09.36`	`gnaunited`	`Where do I get the dev version of elive??`
`15:10.21`	`lordbambi`	`i think you just add test to your sources`
`15:10.45`	`gnaunited`	`There is a special ISO, but I don't remember where it is at`
`15:10.52`	`lordbambi`	`look on the wiki`
`15:10.59`	`gnaunited`	`Which one?`
`15:11.23`	`lordbambi`	`antimon... could you wait a little longer on boot till you get an error message.... the grub config looks ok`
`15:11.54`	`antimon`	`sure...`
`15:11.58`	`antimon`	`Brb`
`15:13.20`	`lordbambi`	`http://wiki.elivecd.org/index.php/Tests_branch_repository`
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`15:18.02`	`lordbambi`	`and.. what was the error`
`15:18.16`	`Antimon`	`/dev/hda1 does not exist.`
`15:18.43`	`Antimon`	`But it does`
`15:19.29`	`lordbambi`	`hmmmm`
`15:19.42`	`lordbambi`	`are you using reiserfs or something like that?`
`15:19.42`	`Antimon`	`strange`
`15:19.42`	`withoutclass`	`.4?`
`15:19.56`	`Antimon`	`just reiserfs not .4`
`15:20.13`	`Antimon`	`is that bad?`
`15:20.13`	`withoutclass`	`.4 is elive version`
`15:20.20`	`withoutclass`	`not hd format type`
`15:21.13`	`lordbambi`	`i'm trying to get him to use kernel 2.6.15`
`15:21.23`	`lordbambi`	`his menu.lst looks ok to me`
`15:21.42`	`withoutclass`	`Antimon, why 686`
`15:21.45`	`lordbambi`	`<antimon> title Elive GNU/Linux kernel 2.6.15`
`15:21.45`	`lordbambi`	`<antimon> # kernel path-to-kernel root=rootdevice kernelarguments`
`15:21.45`	`lordbambi`	`<antimon> root (hd0,0)`
`15:21.46`	`lordbambi`	`<antimon> kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-1-686 root=/dev/hda1 vga=0x317`
`15:21.46`	`lordbambi`	`*`
`15:21.46`	`lordbambi`	`<antimon> initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.15-1-686`
`15:21.52`	`withoutclass`	`why are you not using elive kernel`
`15:22.46`	`lordbambi`	`2.6.15 is the kernel i picked`
`15:22.54`	`withoutclass`	`yea`
`15:22.58`	`withoutclass`	`im using 2.6.15 too`
`15:23.00`	`withoutclass`	`the elive version`
`15:23.07`	`Antimon`	`withoutclass: I'm trying to install vmplayer`
`15:23.25`	`Antimon`	`so where did I go wrong?`
`15:23.38`	`lordbambi`	`he needed sources, so i told him to go to kernel 2.6.15 and apt-get the sources ass well. that way the kernel is compiled with the same compiler as etch ships`
`15:23.43`	`withoutclass`	`ur HD vanished...so you did something wrong`
`15:24.03`	`lordbambi`	`no he gets that error trying to boot kernel 2.6.15... 2.6.12 works ok`
`15:24.20`	`withoutclass`	`your vga setting is correct?`
`15:24.26`	`withoutclass`	`same as 2.6.12?`
`15:24.41`	`lordbambi`	`this is his menu.lst:`
`15:24.43`	`Antimon`	`I didn't change anything`
`15:24.46`	`withoutclass`	`www.pastebin.com your menu.lst`
`15:24.57`	`lordbambi`	`<antimon> title Elive GNU/Linux kernel 2.6.15`
`15:24.57`	`lordbambi`	`<antimon> # kernel path-to-kernel root=rootdevice kernelarguments`
`15:24.57`	`lordbambi`	`<antimon> root (hd0,0)`
`15:24.57`	`lordbambi`	`<antimon> kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-1-686 root=/dev/hda1 vga=0x317`
`15:24.57`	`lordbambi`	`* gnaunited (n=Alex@65-100-176-109.hlrn.qwest.net) has joined #elive`
`15:24.58`	`lordbambi`	`<antimon> initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.15-1-686`
`15:25.00`	`lordbambi`	`<antimon> title Elive GNU/Linux kernel 2.6.12`
`15:25.02`	`lordbambi`	`<antimon> # kernel path-to-kernel root=rootdevice kernelarguments`
`15:25.04`	`lordbambi`	`<antimon> root (hd0,0)`
`15:25.06`	`lordbambi`	`<antimon> kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12 root=/dev/hda1 vga=0x317`
`15:25.08`	`lordbambi`	`<antimon> initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.12`
`15:25.14`	`withoutclass`	`w`
`15:25.15`	`withoutclass`	`w`
`15:25.18`	`withoutclass`	`.pastebin.com`
`15:25.27`	`withoutclass`	`plz`
`15:25.54`	`dererk`	`WTF`
`15:26.01`	`withoutclass`	`damn channel spam`
`15:26.09`	`lordbambi`	`no one is here... so`
`15:26.17`	`withoutclass`	`look, now dererk is up`
`15:26.27`	`dererk`	`The noise woke me up >(`
`15:26.30`	`withoutclass`	`you have woke the beast!`
`15:26.37`	`lordbambi`	`hehe`
`15:27.11`	`withoutclass`	`so hot today`
`15:27.13`	`withoutclass`	`high of 82`
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`15:27.42`	`Antimon`	`Do you still want my menu.lst?`
`15:27.52`	`withoutclass`	`yes`
`15:27.55`	`withoutclass`	`www.pastebin.com`
`15:28.19`	`Antimon`	`Never used pastebin...`
`15:28.26`	`Antimon`	`How does it work?`
`15:28.55`	`dererk`	`<withoutclass> high of 82 <--- Celcius? O_O`
`15:29.08`	`withoutclass`	`xD`
`15:29.17`	`withoutclass`	`you paste it in, click send with ur name`
`15:29.20`	`withoutclass`	`and then paste the url here`
`15:29.25`	`lordbambi`	`82-32/7/9 and you have celsius :-)`
`15:29.38`	`lordbambi`	`82 is about 20 celsius`
`15:29.49`	`Antimon`	`http://pastebin.com/659689`
`15:29.53`	`withoutclass`	`tnx`
`15:30.00`	`Tanner`	`np`
`15:30.29`	`withoutclass`	`Tanner, lol`
`15:30.38`	`Tanner`	`I like to take credit for other's work`
`15:31.01`	`Antimon`	`I need to put something on the stove. be back in 2 min.`
`15:31.18`	`withoutclass`	`Antimon, vmlinuz-2.6.15-1-686 <--- this is exactly what is in /boot correct?`
`15:31.39`	`withoutclass`	`Tanner, this could get you in trouble some day with karma gods`
`15:32.06`	`Tanner`	`withoutclass, if I was gonna be in trouble with the karma gods it would have been years ago`
`15:32.11`	`withoutclass`	`xD`
`15:33.18`	`withoutclass`	`lordbambi, what is the exact error? image not found? something like that?`
`15:34.56`	`withoutclass`	`well, ima go smoke a fag, ill be back`
`15:35.07`	`lordbambi`	`<Antimon> /dev/hda1 does not exist`
`15:35.14`	`lordbambi`	`smoke a FAQ :-)`
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`15:38.09`	`lordbambi`	`wb roxville`
`15:38.52`	`Tanner`	`##java :You need to be identified to join that channel`
`15:39.10`	`Tanner`	`while they obviously don';t know what they're talking about, what does this mean?`
`15:39.57`	`lordbambi`	`i think you need to register with freenode`
`15:40.06`	`Tanner`	`O__o`
`15:40.51`	`lordbambi`	`i think....`
`15:41.51`	`Antimon`	`back`
`15:42.39`	`Antimon`	`lordbambi and withoutclass what did you brilliant minds cook up?`
`15:42.45`	`lordbambi`	`nothing yet`
`15:43.22`	`lordbambi`	`it should work...`
`15:45.09`	`lordbambi`	`check your /boot again: you should have a config, nitrd.img, system.map and vmlinuz all with the 2.6.15-1-686 number`
`15:45.23`	`*** join/#elive Tanner (n=Tanner@d226-123-225.home.cgocable.net)`
`15:46.02`	`withoutclass`	`the only time i ever got that my /dev/hda1 didnt exist was when i didnt have a valid vga= code`
`15:46.43`	`Antimon`	`config-2.6.11 initrd.img-2.6.15-1-686 vmlinuz`
`15:46.44`	`Antimon`	`config-2.6.12 memtest vmlinuz-2.6.11`
`15:46.44`	`Antimon`	`config-2.6.15-1-686 System.map-2.6.11 vmlinuz-2.6.12`
`15:46.44`	`Antimon`	`grub System.map-2.6.12 vmlinuz-2.6.15-1-686`
`15:46.44`	`Antimon`	`initrd.img-2.6.12 System.map-2.6.15-1-686`
`15:46.50`	`Antimon`	`I have it all`
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`15:47.33`	`lordbambi`	`his 2.6.15 lines are the same as his 2.6.12 lines, except for the number`
`15:47.47`	`withoutclass`	`the number is different?`
`15:47.56`	`lordbambi`	`well kernel version number`
`15:47.57`	`withoutclass`	`vga= must be the same`
`15:47.59`	`withoutclass`	`oh`
`15:48.10`	`lordbambi`	`vga is the same`
`15:48.46`	`lordbambi`	`only thing i can think of is that 2.6.15 is compiled without reiserfs support`
`15:49.07`	`withoutclass`	`this is possible`
`15:49.20`	`withoutclass`	`this is also why you should install the 2.6.15 from apt-get`
`15:49.25`	`*** join/#elive innovati (n=tommy@69.156.98.41)`
`15:49.26`	`lordbambi`	`he did too`
`15:49.36`	`lordbambi`	`antimon what kind of cpu do you have?`
`15:49.56`	`Tanner`	`innovati, :-DDD`
`15:50.02`	`innovati`	`Tanner: spank`
`15:50.15`	`withoutclass`	`O_O`
`15:50.25`	`Tanner`	`gigidy`
`15:50.31`	`Tanner`	`oh my`
`15:50.37`	`withoutclass`	`PREPARE YOURSELF`
`15:50.56`	`Tanner`	`for a flagpole? that might take a while`
`15:51.08`	`withoutclass`	`well, get on it then xD`
`15:51.30`	`withoutclass`	`so long time in responses`
`15:52.22`	`Tanner`	`frig. sorry. I'm trying to remember all the IRC commands I've forgotten`
`15:52.29`	`withoutclass`	`not u`
`15:52.32`	`withoutclass`	`Antimon,`
`15:52.41`	`withoutclass`	`i am growing weary of his lack of enthusiasm`
`15:52.47`	`Tanner`	`that's right. stick your foot in your mouth`
`15:53.04`	`withoutclass`	`not too bad, i just showered`
`15:53.31`	`withoutclass`	`Tanner, new in here?`
`15:53.38`	`Tanner`	`new enough`
`15:53.41`	`innovati`	`withoutclass - not really`
`15:53.45`	`withoutclass`	`=X`
`15:53.46`	`Tanner`	`yeah`
`15:53.46`	`innovati`	`he's an old newb`
`15:53.49`	`withoutclass`	`ahh`
`15:53.54`	`Tanner`	`that's right`
`15:53.57`	`withoutclass`	`i am a ...medium newb?`
`15:53.57`	`innovati`	`been gone for some months`
`15:54.04`	`innovati`	`me too`
`15:54.07`	`withoutclass`	`i have been here for only some months`
`15:54.19`	`Tanner`	`i downloaded the shareware version of xchat`
`15:54.30`	`Tanner`	`and then I was like "i don't wanna pay 30$"`
`15:54.40`	`innovati`	`Tanner guess where Amanda is going Saturday (when I work for the 3rd Saturday in a row)`
`15:54.41`	`withoutclass`	`i downloaded the "it installed with my system" version`
`15:54.46`	`Tanner`	`so i got the unofficial free version that someone else compiled for me`
`15:55.03`	`Tanner`	`lars?`
`15:55.24`	`innovati`	`the bar with her friends (little T's, to dance, because she's driving she can't drink)`
`15:55.41`	`Tanner`	`she's not 19 is she?`
`15:55.51`	`innovati`	`nope....2 years shy`
`15:55.58`	`Tanner`	`s'what I thought`
`15:56.07`	`innovati`	`yeah, she skipped a grade too...`
`15:56.23`	`Tanner`	`huh. how's she getting in?`
`15:56.25`	`innovati`	`been 17 for 3 months now?`
`15:56.31`	`innovati`	`I would assume she's walking?`
`15:56.42`	`Tanner`	`does little T's not serve alcohol?`
`15:56.43`	`innovati`	`haxxoring her way in`
`15:56.54`	`innovati`	`0.o are you kidding?!?!?!`
`15:56.56`	`Tanner`	`or do they card everyone who wants to buy?`
`15:57.03`	`innovati`	`0.o are you kidding`
`15:57.05`	`Tanner`	`I'd hate that`
`15:57.17`	`Tanner`	`obviouslyu not`
`15:57.19`	`innovati`	`they're apparently bad for underaging`
`15:57.22`	`lordbambi`	`no carding in belgium.... just drink underage :-)`
`15:57.31`	`withoutclass`	`hey innovati Tanner if you guys could move your chat over to #elivefun, the offtopic channel plz`
`15:57.32`	`Tanner`	`oh.`
`15:57.38`	`Tanner`	`right`
`15:57.39`	`Tanner`	`srry`
`15:57.44`	`innovati`	`#elivefun?`
`15:57.46`	`withoutclass`	`yes`
`15:57.54`	`innovati`	`they have that`
`15:58.01`	`withoutclass`	`yes`
`15:58.06`	`innovati`	`sorry, was not awae`
`15:58.13`	`withoutclass`	`its relatively new`
`15:58.34`	`innovati`	`like, within that last 2 minutes would you say`
`15:59.34`	`Antimon`	`whithoutclass: I'm sorry. I had to do something in the kitchen to prevent fire...`
`15:59.40`	`withoutclass`	`:P`
`15:59.48`	`withoutclass`	`fire is fun`
`16:00.06`	`Antimon`	`I have a pentium cpu 3ghz`
`16:00.19`	`innovati`	`I have an AMD athlon 1.333 gZh`
`16:00.23`	`withoutclass`	`Antimon, smp?`
`16:00.29`	`Antimon`	`si`
`16:00.40`	`withoutclass`	`Antimon, you isntalled wrong kernel`
`16:00.41`	`innovati`	`mine's better than yours!`
`16:01.02`	`Antimon`	`withoutclass: yes`
`16:01.03`	`withoutclass`	`you need linux-image-2.6.15-1-686-smp - Linux kernel 2.6.15 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 SMP machines`
`16:01.21`	`withoutclass`	`this could be your issue`
`16:01.28`	`Antimon`	`Can I apt-get it?`
`16:01.30`	`withoutclass`	`yes`
`16:01.55`	`withoutclass`	`Antimon, if you do apt-cache search 2.6.15, scroll to l's, the different linux-images and such are displayed there`
`16:02.26`	`lordbambi`	`sure you have an SMP????`
`16:02.30`	`lordbambi`	`2 CPU's???`
`16:03.00`	`Antimon`	`I have hyper threading doesn't that count as smp?`
`16:03.21`	`Antimon`	`I was told once that it did...`
`16:03.47`	`lordbambi`	`hmmm don't think so...only dualcore and dual cpu are smp.... i think, withoutclass correct me if i'm wrong`
`16:04.12`	`withoutclass`	`i am googling`
`16:04.15`	`Antimon`	`Ok`
`16:05.11`	`withoutclass`	`Short for Symmetric Multiprocessing, a computer architecture that provides fast performance by making multiple CPUs available to complete individual processes simultaneously (multiprocessing).`
`16:05.24`	`withoutclass`	`it is possible HT is smp`
`16:05.33`	`withoutclass`	`HT is based on multi-threading/processing`
`16:06.28`	`lordbambi`	`http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-htl/`
`16:06.30`	`withoutclass`	`but i am unsure`
`16:06.45`	`lordbambi`	`hyperthreading is SMP`
`16:07.06`	`withoutclass`	`there you have it`
`16:07.11`	`lordbambi`	`all hail IBM for their wisdom`
`16:07.11`	`withoutclass`	`this may solve your issue`
`16:07.15`	`lordbambi`	`yep`
`16:07.29`	`Antimon`	`ok... I apt-get the smp image then`
`16:07.32`	`lordbambi`	`when 2 great minds come together :-)`
`16:07.48`	`lordbambi`	`yep antimon, apt-get the smp image, source, header and tree`
`16:07.54`	`withoutclass`	`hmm`
`16:08.03`	`lordbambi`	`he needs source withoutclass`
`16:08.06`	`withoutclass`	`i wonder if centrino is smp`
`16:08.12`	`withoutclass`	`i dunno, you can guide him`
`16:08.18`	`withoutclass`	`it is in the apt repos`
`16:08.22`	`lordbambi`	`is a centrino hyperthreading?`
`16:08.28`	`withoutclass`	`no`
`16:08.30`	`withoutclass`	`i dont think so`
`16:08.30`	`withoutclass`	`xD`
`16:08.35`	`lordbambi`	`is it dualcore?`
`16:08.39`	`withoutclass`	`naw`
`16:08.41`	`withoutclass`	`xD`
`16:08.47`	`withoutclass`	`but, it performs some high lvl stuff`
`16:08.53`	`lordbambi`	`then it is just acpi for throtteling the cpu`
`16:08.59`	`innovati`	`bye all`
`16:09.03`	`innovati`	`roxville_: buhbyes!`
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`16:09.13`	`innovati`	`oh, nm`
`16:09.57`	`lordbambi`	`and performance of a cpu is not only MHZ....`
`16:10.31`	`innovati`	`celeron is really bad, and I don't really know why, but it's not as efficient per mhz I think`
`16:10.47`	`withoutclass`	`bye innovati`
`16:10.55`	`withoutclass`	`celeron is bad`
`16:10.57`	`innovati`	`I'm not going`
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`16:10.59`	`withoutclass`	`cheap pentium`
`16:11.09`	`innovati`	`I had a 500 mzh celeron emachine !!`
`16:11.10`	`lordbambi`	`celeron isn't that bad, it just has less cache`
`16:11.13`	`withoutclass`	`centrino however, super efficient p3`
`16:11.23`	`lordbambi`	`i'm running a celeron 400 mhz at the moment`
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`16:11.58`	`withoutclass`	`im running PM 1.6ghz that runs at 350mhz`
`16:12.06`	`withoutclass`	`=o`
`16:12.08`	`innovati`	`I want a cell proc!`
`16:12.31`	`innovati`	`I need a mac for next year, preferrably a laptop - for graphic design (things like photoshop)`
`16:12.41`	`withoutclass`	`innovati, macbook!`
`16:12.50`	`innovati`	`you think I should go macbook?`
`16:12.58`	`withoutclass`	`they are very expensive`
`16:13.02`	`withoutclass`	`base model is 2500`
`16:13.14`	`withoutclass`	`but, they are beautiful`
`16:13.21`	`withoutclass`	`based on new centrino duo`
`16:13.27`	`innovati`	`I know the best price/performance is ATM ibook, the bigger one, but I know it's behind in the PPC lineup, wil the PC thin take off?`
`16:13.49`	`innovati`	`well, money is kind of important here too`
`16:14.03`	`withoutclass`	`innovati, i believe that, with the innovation of bootcamp, macs based on intel will take off very much`
`16:14.12`	`innovati`	`bootcamp being?`
`16:14.13`	`withoutclass`	`i believe you can get pentium based power book also`
`16:14.38`	`lordbambi`	`my money goes for an IBM laptop on ebay..... 150 euro`
`16:15.10`	`withoutclass`	`innovati, nevermind, i think macbook is the only one with intel`
`16:15.13`	`innovati`	`it's gonna be 2,500 here, versus 1,600 for ther ibook`
`16:15.20`	`innovati`	`yes, at the moment`
`16:15.35`	`withoutclass`	`bootcamp is at the moment, free software that makes running windoze possible on mac hardware`
`16:15.47`	`innovati`	`will the next OS in the fall be for the ibook as well do ya think?`
`16:15.55`	`withoutclass`	`i am unsure`
`16:15.57`	`innovati`	`kinda like WINE?`
`16:16.00`	`withoutclass`	`innovati, no`
`16:16.02`	`withoutclass`	`natively`
`16:16.10`	`withoutclass`	`dual boot`
`16:16.14`	`innovati`	`oh`
`16:16.25`	`innovati`	`that's unimportant to me`
`16:16.37`	`withoutclass`	`then there is no reason to get intel based`
`16:16.38`	`withoutclass`	`=D`
`16:16.54`	`innovati`	`no, unless say they stop supporting PPC and I buy one....`
`16:16.56`	`withoutclass`	`in my opinion, macs are great at what they do, graphics`
`16:17.07`	`innovati`	`they are great at desktop stuff too.....`
`16:17.27`	`withoutclass`	`as long as the lappy you get is powerfull enough for what you do that is`
`16:17.29`	`innovati`	`home office, networking, desktop, amazing hardware.....good design, great at pretty much everything`
`16:17.40`	`innovati`	`mm, I just odn't know`
`16:18.02`	`withoutclass`	`it is my opinion that they are at the forefront of end user innovation and design`
`16:18.09`	`lordbambi`	`i'm going for IBM....i LOVE ibm stuff`
`16:18.13`	`withoutclass`	`however, i do not really enjoy mac OS`
`16:18.27`	`innovati`	`I like IBM too, but they don't make macs.....`
`16:18.30`	`withoutclass`	`lordbambi, i sometimes wish i wouldve gotten an ibm`
`16:18.47`	`lordbambi`	`it is really quality stuff`
`16:18.48`	`innovati`	`I like macs running linux with elive on a nice 19 inch display or two`
`16:18.58`	`Antimon`	`so guys it seems that there's only the image and the header.... Did I miss something...`
`16:20.44`	`withoutclass`	`dont think so`
`16:21.05`	`withoutclass`	`innovati, sometimes i forget that linux can run on macs`
`16:21.33`	`lordbambi`	`linux even runs on a game boy :-)i have it running on my sega dreamcast`
`16:21.57`	`roxville_`	`i'm gonna get offline for a while... see you guys later... innovati and Tanner ... don't be strangers :)`
`16:22.06`	`withoutclass`	`roxville_, bye bye1`
`16:22.19`	`roxville_`	`lordbambi, thanks very much for the tech help :)`
`16:23.04`	`roxville_`	`you can open lordbambis' elive support center :)`
`16:23.11`	`roxville_`	`ok, ciao!`
`16:23.17`	`lordbambi`	`np`
`16:24.13`	`lordbambi`	`let me check...`
`16:24.52`	`lordbambi`	`yep only linux image and linux header.... source and sourcetree atre the same`
`16:25.47`	`lordbambi`	`so apt-get image and headers.... change grub and reboot`
`16:26.26`	`Antimon`	`ok`
`16:28.38`	`Antimon`	`here goes`
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`16:32.06`	`innovati`	`buhbyes`
`16:32.14`	`withoutclass`	`let me know how it goes later i guess`
`16:32.17`	`withoutclass`	`i gotta pack up my comp`
`16:32.28`	`withoutclass`	`and head to unix programming class`
`16:32.38`	`withoutclass`	`lata lordbambi`
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`16:32.51`	`lordbambi`	`later withoutclass`
`16:32.57`	`withoutclass`	`Antimon, work?`
`16:33.01`	`Antimon`	`Nope`
`16:33.05`	`withoutclass`	`poop`
`16:33.05`	`Antimon`	`Same old`
`16:33.08`	`withoutclass`	`sorry i gotta go`
`16:33.11`	`withoutclass`	`gl guys`
`16:33.15`	`lordbambi`	`then i'm out of idea's`
`16:33.20`	`Antimon`	`withoutclass thanx`
`16:33.53`	`lordbambi`	`antimon try fdisk /dev/hda`
`16:33.57`	`lordbambi`	`type p`
`16:34.21`	`lordbambi`	`and see what partition type hda1 is`
`16:34.44`	`Antimon`	`it says linux`
`16:34.51`	`Antimon`	`id 83`
`16:36.12`	`Antimon`	`it's reiser`
`16:36.34`	`lordbambi`	`i'm checking if you can add a special line in your grub`
`16:38.39`	`Antimon`	`ok`
`16:46.12`	`lordbambi`	`no idea...`
`16:46.52`	`Antimon`	`do you think this is the answer? http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=431862`
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`16:48.51`	`lordbambi`	`is that your error?`
`16:50.23`	`Antimon`	`yes I think so.. I only noticed the part about /dev/hda1 not existing...`
`16:51.10`	`Antimon`	`ALERT! /dev/hda1 does not exist. Dropping to shell! this part is the same in my case`
`16:51.22`	`lordbambi`	`if it is the exact same error, you could try the yaird thing`
`16:51.39`	`lordbambi`	`yaird is to build a new initrd...`
`16:51.51`	`Antimon`	`ok...`
`16:52.26`	`Antimon`	`Couldn't I ruin the one I have now by doing that though... So I'll not be able to boot at all...`
`16:52.30`	`Antimon`	`???`
`16:52.55`	`lordbambi`	`as long as you don't delete the /boot/2.6.12 and don't delete that part in your grub you should be fine`
`16:57.41`	`lordbambi`	`and even when you mess it up, you can repair it with the livecd :-)`
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`17:05.32`	`Antimon`	`ok thanx for all... Have to eat now. See you later...`
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`17:22.26`	`Elive_user59`	`nice live-cd gg`
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`18:05.55`	`wasynyt`	`happy easter everyone`
`18:07.13`	`lordbambi`	`easter is on sunday....`
`18:07.16`	`lordbambi`	`:-)`
`18:07.22`	`lordbambi`	`jesus died today`
`18:07.29`	`wasynyt`	`:S`
`18:07.40`	`wasynyt`	`well i dont care happy today everyone`
`18:07.51`	`Nenillo`	`lol`
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`18:08.00`	`lordbambi`	`hapy death to everyone today :-)`
`18:08.11`	`Nenillo`	`happy party tonight`
`18:08.25`	`wasynyt`	`:D`
`18:10.50`	`lordbambi`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Friday`
`18:11.48`	`wasynyt`	`:D`
`18:11.50`	`lordbambi`	`and tomorow is sabath so he lies dead in his cave... on sunday the woman are alowed in his cave and he is gone...`
`18:12.29`	`lordbambi`	`and thus he proves that he is the true king of men... son of god`
`18:12.32`	`wasynyt`	`:/`
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`18:14.12`	`lordbambi`	`that is a lot of thinking :-)`
`18:14.52`	`Tanner`	`Ever wonder why Jesus didn't just get up on the sabath?`
`18:15.07`	`lordbambi`	`he is not allowed to work on sunday`
`18:15.09`	`lordbambi`	`:-)`
`18:15.21`	`lordbambi`	`saterday i mean`
`18:15.27`	`Tanner`	`He always did it when he was alive though.`
`18:15.36`	`Tanner`	`The pharisees were always mad at him for it`
`18:15.46`	`lordbambi`	`getting resurected is a lot of work`
`18:15.59`	`Tanner`	`Took a couple days to set up.`
`18:16.27`	`lordbambi`	`so what do you think about the new judas book?`
`18:16.52`	`wasynyt`	`nothing earth shaking..`
`18:17.00`	`Tanner`	`Well, it's writen by a Gnostic right?`
`18:17.12`	`Tanner`	`They, historically, aren't real reliable anyways`
`18:17.23`	`Tanner`	`No offense if you're a Gnostic`
`18:18.06`	`lordbambi`	`no judas his ... what is it called...`
`18:18.42`	`Tanner`	`???`
`18:18.51`	`lordbambi`	`every apostle had it....`
`18:19.00`	`Tanner`	`... sandle?`
`18:19.04`	`wasynyt`	`should we go to elivefun for this converstaion`
`18:19.17`	`lordbambi`	`nope this is elive stuff :-)`
`18:19.18`	`wasynyt`	`*conversation`
`18:19.36`	`Tanner`	`:D`
`18:19.47`	`wasynyt`	`o_0`
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`18:20.13`	`lordbambi`	`as long as no one is chatting computer stuff, why move?`
`18:20.17`	`Tanner`	`wb withoutclass`
`18:20.18`	`lordbambi`	`then there is some life here`
`18:20.22`	`withoutclass`	`:P`
`18:20.34`	`Tanner`	`yeah... if someone wants help we'll stop`
`18:20.41`	`withoutclass`	`yea!`
`18:20.57`	`withoutclass`	`i just try to advertise the elivefun channel because it does exist`
`18:21.01`	`Tanner`	`withoutclass, you have no idea what we're talking about`
`18:21.11`	`withoutclass`	`lordbambi> as long as no one is chatting computer stuff, why move?`
`18:21.18`	`withoutclass`	`this clearly explains what you are talking about`
`18:21.29`	`Tanner`	`whatever`
`18:21.39`	`Tanner`	`you're very clearly insane`
`18:21.39`	`withoutclass`	`zomg attitude`
`18:21.41`	`withoutclass`	`xD`
`18:22.15`	`Tanner`	`cd /dev/`
`18:22.18`	`wasynyt`	`:D`
`18:22.29`	`Tanner`	`del /withoutclass/`
`18:22.40`	`withoutclass`	`fine`
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`18:22.47`	`Tanner`	`oh my`
`18:22.54`	`lordbambi`	`you deleted him......`
`18:23.03`	`lordbambi`	`btw it is rm not del :-)`
`18:23.03`	`Tanner`	`I hope I don't get banned`
`18:23.12`	`Tanner`	`right.... :&`
`18:23.23`	`wasynyt`	`-_-`
`18:24.20`	`lordbambi`	`i can understand that when someone need help, we have to stop flooding, but when no one needs our help.... atleast we are here TO help`
`18:24.31`	`Tanner`	`good point`
`18:24.52`	`lordbambi`	`if we all move to the elivefun channel this will be empty... atleast this is my idea about things`
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`18:25.51`	`Tanner`	`It still feels as though we should talk about something vaguely tech-related though`
`18:26.07`	`lordbambi`	`does someone know coast to coast?`
`18:26.21`	`Tanner`	`band, movie, book, tv show?`
`18:26.41`	`lordbambi`	`radio show`
`18:27.16`	`Tanner`	`cool. what station?`
`18:27.17`	`lordbambi`	`coast to coast is a geek radio show about: tech, aliens, maya doomsday devices kalenders, goverment consirecies, and so on`
`18:27.35`	`Tanner`	`no.... I really only listen to the CBC`
`18:27.57`	`Tanner`	`I don't do internet radio very often`
`18:28.00`	`lordbambi`	`the whole idea of stargate with the aliens visiting egypt was discussed yesterday night on coast to coast`
`18:28.40`	`tmpttmp`	`hello`
`18:28.40`	`Tanner`	`how the aliens built the pyramids?`
`18:28.42`	`lordbambi`	`i listen on it on kfi.... LA radio station. it is transmitted all over the US through different radio channels`
`18:28.49`	`lordbambi`	`hellp tmttmp`
`18:28.51`	`tmpttmp`	`is it possible to play .wmv vids on elive ?`
`18:29.16`	`lordbambi`	`yes tmpttmp... use gmplayer`
`18:29.19`	`Tanner`	`that'd be more software then OS`
`18:29.26`	`Tanner`	`gmplayer does mwv?`
`18:29.43`	`lordbambi`	`yep`
`18:29.51`	`lordbambi`	`gmplayer is a front end to mplayer`
`18:30.05`	`lordbambi`	`and mplayer is used for playing microsoft and avi formats`
`18:30.07`	`Tanner`	`right, I was thinking cause mwv is from microsoft`
`18:30.16`	`Tanner`	`oh. cool`
`18:30.22`	`tmpttmp`	`it's WMV .`
`18:30.27`	`lordbambi`	`same thing`
`18:30.35`	`Tanner`	`right. thaqt was me`
`18:30.39`	`lordbambi`	`LORDBAMBI and lordbambi is the same :-)`
`18:30.43`	`Tanner`	`heh`
`18:30.50`	`Tanner`	`not if it's a password`
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`18:30.53`	`Tanner`	`;)`
`18:31.00`	`tmpttmp`	`i have mplayer already lordbambi , are you saying that gmplayer will fix the .wmv problem?`
`18:31.04`	`lordbambi`	`and not as file... but it is still the same extention`
`18:31.17`	`lordbambi`	`is it a local file tmpttmp??`
`18:31.26`	`tmpttmp`	`no it's on a site`
`18:31.46`	`lordbambi`	`aah then you need the mplayer plugin for firefox`
`18:31.54`	`withoutclass`	`si mon`
`18:32.00`	`lordbambi`	`did you apt-get update today?`
`18:32.17`	`Tanner`	`doesn't the elive firfox default that?`
`18:32.19`	`tmpttmp`	`no, not today`
`18:32.26`	`tmpttmp`	`mplayer is working perfectly in firefox, except with .wmv files`
`18:32.49`	`lordbambi`	`what does it do, not do?`
`18:32.55`	`lordbambi`	`does it start?`
`18:33.37`	`lordbambi`	`yesterday my mplayer didn't work, i apt-getted update and dist-upgrade and it was fixed`
`18:34.53`	`tmpttmp`	`lordbambi, it says Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device.`
`18:35.13`	`tmpttmp`	`normally, when the video isn't a ".wmv" , the video just starts inside the webpage`
`18:35.28`	`tmpttmp`	`but here, it asks me the question "do you want to open the file or save it on your disk"`
`18:35.34`	`lordbambi`	`wmv should be like that too....`
`18:35.50`	`tmpttmp`	`the default application for opening wmv is mplays`
`18:35.52`	`tmpttmp`	`mplayer`
`18:36.04`	`tmpttmp`	`no wait`
`18:36.08`	`tmpttmp`	`it's gmplayer`
`18:36.25`	`lordbambi`	`wmv should open in firefox... if not check edit, preferences, downloads, view and edit actions`
`18:36.50`	`tmpttmp`	`so i choose "Open, with gmplayer" and i get this error`
`18:37.04`	`tmpttmp`	`Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device.`
`18:37.20`	`lordbambi`	`first fix mplayer in firefox...`
`18:37.40`	`lordbambi`	`edit, preferences, downloads, view and edit actions`
`18:37.51`	`tmpttmp`	`yes`
`18:38.13`	`tmpttmp`	`WMVs are set to : Open with Windows Media Player Plugin`
`18:38.56`	`lordbambi`	`that should be ok`
`18:39.00`	`tmpttmp`	`ok..`
`18:39.32`	`lordbambi`	`so when you open a wmv it should open mplayer plugin (like for an mpeg)`
`18:41.10`	`withoutclass`	`tmpttmp, what site?`
`18:41.16`	`tmpttmp`	`any site withoutclass`
`18:41.24`	`lordbambi`	`porn??`
`18:41.25`	`withoutclass`	`any movie online?`
`18:41.29`	`tmpttmp`	`yes`
`18:41.36`	`withoutclass`	`or just wmv`
`18:41.38`	`lordbambi`	`if it porn give a link :-)`
`18:41.40`	`tmpttmp`	`just wmv`
`18:41.44`	`withoutclass`	`www.ampland.com`
`18:41.47`	`tmpttmp`	`lordbambi haha`
`18:41.50`	`withoutclass`	`there ya go lordbambi`
`18:42.20`	`lordbambi`	`lol nice link...`
`18:42.24`	`tmpttmp`	`lordbambi> so when you open a wmv it should open mplayer plugin (like for an mpeg) - i havent changed the setting, it was already set to that`
`18:42.44`	`lordbambi`	`have you upgraded your linux today?`
`18:43.16`	`withoutclass`	`lordbambi, very free =D`
`18:44.29`	`tmpttmp`	`no i havent`
`18:44.34`	`tmpttmp`	`should i?»`
`18:44.48`	`withoutclass`	`tmpttmp, upgrade every day at least once`
`18:44.49`	`withoutclass`	`=D`
`18:45.01`	`tmpttmp`	`dist-upgrade everyday ?`
`18:45.05`	`withoutclass`	`yes`
`18:45.08`	`tmpttmp`	`hm ..`
`18:45.12`	`withoutclass`	`apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade`
`18:45.17`	`tmpttmp`	`wiki says it's not recommended`
`18:45.21`	`withoutclass`	`we are on etc`
`18:45.23`	`withoutclass`	`etch*`
`18:45.28`	`tmpttmp`	`etch?`
`18:45.39`	`withoutclass`	`it is basically unstable branch of debian`
`18:45.45`	`tmpttmp`	`ok..`
`18:45.55`	`withoutclass`	`how do you know there are fixes or upgrades out if you dont get them!`
`18:46.14`	`tmpttmp`	`i have done a dist-upgrade at my friend's`
`18:46.23`	`tmpttmp`	`it was extremely long`
`18:46.31`	`tmpttmp`	`is there an alternative solution for him?`
`18:46.32`	`Tanner`	`that's what she sadi`
`18:46.37`	`tmpttmp`	`i doubt he can afford upgrading everyday`
`18:46.40`	`withoutclass`	`the first one is usually long`
`18:46.46`	`withoutclass`	`everyone after the first is not`
`18:46.53`	`tmpttmp`	`i hope so`
`18:47.16`	`tmpttmp`	`do i need to reboot after a dist-upgrade?`
`18:47.33`	`withoutclass`	`not usually`
`18:47.37`	`tmpttmp`	`okay`
`18:47.38`	`lordbambi`	`when you have a problem, always dist-upgrade.... NEVER reboot linux... :-)`
`18:47.44`	`lordbambi`	`try this movie: http://www.extremefunnyhumor.com/vids/dragracing.wmv`
`18:47.55`	`tmpttmp`	`yeah, rebooting is for windows.`
`18:48.40`	`lordbambi`	`the movie opened perfect in firefox for me`
`18:48.54`	`lordbambi`	`but i don't know if it is any good...`
`18:49.00`	`tmpttmp`	`lordbambi, this is the first wmv that i find that gets loaded`
`18:49.10`	`tmpttmp`	`but the video doesnt show, i only hear the sound`
`18:49.19`	`Tanner`	`0_o`
`18:49.24`	`*** join/#elive tuxit (n=tuxit@dD576993F.access.telenet.be)`
`18:49.31`	`tmpttmp`	`with every other wmv that i tried, i got the error i told you`
`18:49.45`	`tmpttmp`	`this one wmv, strangely, works more than all the others i tried.`
`18:49.51`	`tmpttmp`	`but still i dont get the image`
`18:49.54`	`lordbambi`	`ok then... start gmplayer....`
`18:50.16`	`tmpttmp`	`yes`
`18:50.24`	`lordbambi`	`right click on the movie screen`
`18:50.33`	`tuxit`	`hey lordbambi`
`18:50.39`	`lordbambi`	`1 at a time...`
`18:50.43`	`tmpttmp`	`lol`
`18:50.47`	`lordbambi`	`preferences`
`18:50.49`	`tmpttmp`	`keep giving me directions`
`18:50.56`	`tmpttmp`	`i wont say "yes" everytime :)`
`18:50.58`	`lordbambi`	`video`
`18:51.17`	`lordbambi`	`chose gl for video output`
`18:51.50`	`lordbambi`	`try playing a local video now`
`18:51.53`	`tmpttmp`	`you mean choose "gl" in the list of available drivers ?`
`18:51.56`	`lordbambi`	`yep`
`18:54.09`	`lordbambi`	`talk to me baby...`
`18:54.34`	`lordbambi`	`http://www.extremefunnyhumor.com/mov_specialchat.htm right click, save link as:`
`18:55.00`	`tmpttmp`	`thanks :)`
`18:55.09`	`lordbambi`	`you get images in gmplayer now?`
`18:55.20`	`tmpttmp`	`hold on`
`18:57.30`	`tmpttmp`	`cannot find codec matching selected -vo and video format`
`18:57.40`	`tmpttmp`	`is what i get when running "gmplayer specialchat.wmv"`
`18:58.02`	`withoutclass`	`tmpttmp, you have upgraded?`
`18:58.07`	`withoutclass`	`or did you skip that`
`18:58.07`	`*** part/#elive gnaunited (n=Alex@65-100-176-109.hlrn.qwest.net)`
`18:58.21`	`tmpttmp`	`i havent upgraded yet, no :)`
`18:58.28`	`withoutclass`	`you should`
`18:58.30`	`tmpttmp`	`i didnt feel like rebooting yet :)`
`18:58.34`	`withoutclass`	`maybe there is a fix already`
`18:58.35`	`tmpttmp`	`yeah i will now..`
`18:58.39`	`withoutclass`	`you dont need to`
`18:58.42`	`withoutclass`	`./forehead smack`
`18:58.46`	`tmpttmp`	`:D`
`18:58.47`	`lordbambi`	`lol`
`18:58.55`	`lordbambi`	`withoutclass is that a shell script?`
`18:58.58`	`tmpttmp`	`last time i upgraded, i had to reboot`
`18:59.04`	`withoutclass`	`naw`
`18:59.04`	`lordbambi`	`./forehead smack.sh`
`18:59.04`	`tmpttmp`	`lol`
`18:59.09`	`withoutclass`	`i wish`
`18:59.25`	`withoutclass`	`i wish there was a ./homework do-it-for-me.sh`
`18:59.44`	`tmpttmp`	`./make-things-work.sh`
`18:59.45`	`tmpttmp`	`;)`
`18:59.54`	`withoutclass`	`this also would be nice`
`18:59.58`	`tmpttmp`	`we all need one of those`
`18:59.58`	`withoutclass`	`after your dist-upgrade`
`19:00.03`	`lordbambi`	`./make-things-work.sh should be put in elive`
`19:00.04`	`withoutclass`	`do a apt-get -f install`
`19:00.28`	`tmpttmp`	`ok`
`19:00.29`	`withoutclass`	`there may be strange dependency things here, might fix it`
`19:01.47`	`lordbambi`	`tmpttmp depending on what you upgrade you have to either restart a service, log out and back in.... sometimes the simplest is just to reboot. the only reason to reboot is when you do a kernel upgrade`
`19:02.27`	`lordbambi`	`withoutclass it could be that another mplayer is blocking the mplayer access to the screen....`
`19:02.38`	`tmpttmp`	`yes, i KNEW i somehow had to reboot after a dist-upgrade .. :P`
`19:02.55`	`withoutclass`	`i usually do`
`19:02.56`	`tmpttmp`	`and i didnt feel like doing it! :) not now at least`
`19:02.58`	`tmpttmp`	`oh well .`
`19:03.00`	`withoutclass`	`but most of the time it is not necessary`
`19:03.00`	`lordbambi`	`not always... depends on what is upgraded... i never do it becouse i know how to check what is upgraded`
`19:03.15`	`tmpttmp`	`yeha i figured that out lordbambi ..`
`19:03.21`	`withoutclass`	`a simple "ctrl+alt+backspace"`
`19:03.21`	`tmpttmp`	`but its been a long while since i havent updated so`
`19:03.34`	`lordbambi`	`i do it every day...`
`19:03.37`	`tmpttmp`	`i figured that there would be enough upgraded things for making me HAVE to reboot`
`19:03.39`	`withoutclass`	`nothing new today :(`
`19:03.50`	`withoutclass`	`so far`
`19:04.03`	`withoutclass`	`i find many updates are there around 5/6pm`
`19:04.10`	`tmpttmp`	`ctrl+alt+backspace does the trick withoutclass ?`
`19:04.25`	`withoutclass`	`this forces restart of e completely`
`19:04.36`	`withoutclass`	`entrance and such`
`19:04.45`	`withoutclass`	`you will go to entanced screen afterwards`
`19:04.54`	`lordbambi`	`well it makes xorg crash.... same result :-)`
`19:05.00`	`withoutclass`	`yea`
`19:05.04`	`withoutclass`	`force quit basically`
`19:05.22`	`withoutclass`	`less clicking`
`19:05.24`	`*** join/#elive tizoc (n=bruno@r200-125-24-124-dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy)`
`19:05.27`	`*** join/#elive bouba_diop (i=bouba_di@host107-145.pool8256.interbusiness.it)`
`19:05.32`	`withoutclass`	`i like using keys, this is why i use no main bar for icons`
`19:05.36`	`withoutclass`	`only hotkeys`
`19:06.00`	`lordbambi`	`gonna go get a smoke outside...`
`19:06.12`	`*** join/#elive Elive_user (n=Elive_us@cblmdm72-240-248-104.buckeyecom.net)`
`19:06.22`	`lordbambi`	`a faq in computer terms :-)`
`19:06.47`	`withoutclass`	`lol`
`19:06.54`	`tmpttmp`	`a faq ?`
`19:06.59`	`tmpttmp`	`i dont get it ...`
`19:07.04`	`lordbambi`	`not a fag but a faq`
`19:07.06`	`Elive_user`	`what is wine allabout?`
`19:07.12`	`lordbambi`	`wine is for drinking`
`19:07.16`	`withoutclass`	`apt wine`
`19:07.18`	`apt`	`Emulator of the Windows 3.x and Win32 APIs.. URL: http://www.winehq.com/, or a good way of curing the aches and pains of a systems integrator, or not half as good as beer, or best served in a clean wine glass after supper, or comes in may colours and flavors`
`19:07.20`	`tmpttmp`	`Elive_user, making windows apps running in linux`
`19:07.21`	`lordbambi`	`"wine is not an emulator"`
`19:07.22`	`Elive_user`	`yes the apt`
`19:07.35`	`tmpttmp`	`lordbambi,`
`19:07.38`	`*** join/#elive _H_ (i=h@62-43-8-81.user.ono.com)`
`19:07.38`	`tmpttmp`	`explain to me this joke`
`19:07.40`	`Elive_user`	`lol`
`19:07.52`	`tmpttmp`	`"to get a smoke outside" in computer terms is "to get a faq" ???`
`19:08.01`	`withoutclass`	`you had to be here earlier tmpttmp`
`19:08.06`	`tmpttmp`	`oh well ;p`
`19:08.08`	`tmpttmp`	`nevermind then`
`19:08.11`	`tmpttmp`	`:)`
`19:08.12`	`withoutclass`	`i said in chat`
`19:08.13`	`Elive_user`	`can i use my old win software... not all, trying to get away from most just a few usefull apps`
`19:08.22`	`Elive_user`	`or is it limited to certin apts`
`19:08.23`	`withoutclass`	`"ima go smoke a fag" because fag is a euro term for cigarette`
`19:08.31`	`tmpttmp`	`Elive_user, go to the Wine website !`
`19:08.35`	`tmpttmp`	`you'll know`
`19:08.39`	`withoutclass`	`and this somehow turned into faq`
`19:08.48`	`tmpttmp`	`really withoutclass`
`19:08.51`	`lordbambi`	`wine is a collection of win32 api's, they can be used to run win32 programs in linux`
`19:08.53`	`tmpttmp`	`a fag.. heh`
`19:09.00`	`withoutclass`	`yes`
`19:09.05`	`tmpttmp`	`didnt know that`
`19:09.06`	`withoutclass`	`i thought i would be edgy and use it`
`19:09.07`	`withoutclass`	`xD`
`19:09.11`	`tmpttmp`	`:)`
`19:09.13`	`Elive_user`	`ok thanks i guess i should have went there before asking ..... should not take the lazy way out i guess`
`19:09.19`	`tmpttmp`	`you're from the USA right ?`
`19:09.22`	`withoutclass`	`yes`
`19:09.40`	`tmpttmp`	`Elive_user, at the Wine website you can find which applications will most probably work`
`19:09.50`	`Elive_user`	`ah so it is limited`
`19:09.53`	`tmpttmp`	`fun stuff like Red Alert 2 :)`
`19:10.01`	`lordbambi`	`tmpttmp did you reboot?`
`19:10.08`	`tmpttmp`	`no lordbambi , dist-upgrade is looooonog`
`19:10.12`	`tmpttmp`	`long*`
`19:10.12`	`lordbambi`	`aaah ok`
`19:10.14`	`tmpttmp`	`:(`
`19:10.28`	`lordbambi`	`otherwise i would start yelling at ya to reboot :-)`
`19:10.30`	`tmpttmp`	`my friend's PC is even slower than mine... poor him...`
`19:10.44`	`tmpttmp`	`this won't make him too comfortable with his fresh linux-convertion`
`19:11.03`	`tmpttmp`	`his first steps with linux have been made a couple days ago only`
`19:11.08`	`tmpttmp`	`i've installed elive on his pc`
`19:11.09`	`*** join/#elive sebby[n] (n=sebby[n]@scx25-1-82-238-114-82.fbx.proxad.net)`
`19:11.16`	`tmpttmp`	`i hope he won't give up too soon`
`19:11.32`	`withoutclass`	`tmpttmp, longest part is generally downloading the files`
`19:11.44`	`tmpttmp`	`yes.. very long`
`19:11.48`	`*** join/#elive Elive_user2 (n=Elive_us@c-4140e155.169-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se)`
`19:11.50`	`withoutclass`	`what connection?`
`19:11.54`	`tmpttmp`	`high speed`
`19:12.09`	`sebby[n]`	`hi everybody!`
`19:12.18`	`tmpttmp`	`but he has a slower connection than mine`
`19:12.22`	`tmpttmp`	`so it sucks for him`
`19:12.23`	`Elive_user`	`hey sebby`
`19:12.26`	`Elive_user`	`hows it going`
`19:12.40`	`withoutclass`	`Elive_user, got a nickname?`
`19:12.44`	`sebby[n]`	`everything's ok.`
`19:12.48`	`sebby[n]`	`;)`
`19:12.59`	`lordbambi`	`i got a verry fast connection :-)`
`19:13.06`	`withoutclass`	`college woo`
`19:13.08`	`Elive_user`	`binaryfog but need to regester first`
`19:13.08`	`lordbambi`	`6 mbit`
`19:13.09`	`tmpttmp`	`everything's ok and you come to this channel??? somethings not right... :)`
`19:13.17`	`withoutclass`	`my connection is good at 1am`
`19:13.24`	`ahriman-`	`How can I create new entries in menu, like valknut in Internet menu. I'am using DR17 right now`
`19:13.34`	`tmpttmp`	`DR17 ? whats that`
`19:13.36`	`sebby[n]`	`I meant that's week end time ;-)`
`19:13.38`	`withoutclass`	`apt elpanel`
`19:13.40`	`apt`	`hmm... elpanel is the powered center of control of Elive, where all the answers of your questions are, your heart is prepaired for discover all features ? ;)`
`19:14.05`	`withoutclass`	`ahriman-, this is your answer`
`19:14.18`	`tmpttmp`	`hmm... elpanel is an annoying tool with unuseful graphical effects :)`
`19:14.29`	`withoutclass`	`it is usefull`
`19:14.39`	`ahriman-`	`withoutclass, thanks, I'll check it right ahead :)`
`19:14.44`	`withoutclass`	`ahriman-, what you are looking for is entangle`
`19:14.52`	`tmpttmp`	`its the graphical effects that arent useful`
`19:14.55`	`withoutclass`	`it is left most option, then e17, then entangle`
`19:14.57`	`Elive_user`	`my elive controle pannel seems to back up on its own is this normal? not right away just if i leave it idel for like 5 sec`
`19:15.04`	`withoutclass`	`tmpttmp, but it is beautiful :P`
`19:15.13`	`ahriman-`	`thankyou`
`19:15.20`	`withoutclass`	`ahriman-, you are welcome`
`19:15.21`	`tmpttmp`	`matter of taste i suppose ;)`
`19:15.22`	`lordbambi`	`it would be usefull to switch of the grahpical effects... they are kinda slow on an old comp..`
`19:15.46`	`withoutclass`	`lordbambi, you can launch anything in elpanel via command promp also`
`19:15.50`	`withoutclass`	`long as you know what you are looking for`
`19:15.55`	`withoutclass`	`and the command`
`19:16.28`	`lordbambi`	`yea but the effects in elpanel are slow`
`19:16.34`	`tmpttmp`	`i would so much prefer a small, minimal, text-only elpanel, with NO effects for transition between menus, no graphical animations`
`19:17.18`	`lordbambi`	`same here`
`19:17.20`	`tmpttmp`	`no little icons, no scrolling text... just plain text`
`19:17.37`	`lordbambi`	`a switch to kill the eyecandy`
`19:17.42`	`withoutclass`	`the elpanel system is going to be changed in .5 as far as i know`
`19:17.43`	`tmpttmp`	`its annoying to point your mouse over an icon, and wait for the text to scroll ...`
`19:17.51`	`Elive_user`	`if i go into the backgound selection menu that neat little rotating box in the elive control pannel goes back to the first main selection screen on its own more so in e17 than e16 but i think i have seen this glitch in other windows and was wondering if this just happens or if its somthing i should be worried about`
`19:17.57`	`withoutclass`	`tmpttmp, you dont have to wait if you know where you are going :P`
`19:18.06`	`withoutclass`	`Elive_user, this is normal`
`19:18.24`	`tmpttmp`	`of course withoutclass ... but have some empathy for newbies ...`
`19:18.30`	`withoutclass`	`Elive_user, plz do /nick binaryfrog`
`19:18.41`	`withoutclass`	`never!`
`19:18.45`	`tmpttmp`	`lol`
`19:18.45`	`withoutclass`	`pros ftw`
`19:19.25`	`tmpttmp`	`go for functionality before graphical unusefulness! ;)`
`19:19.33`	`withoutclass`	`it has both!`
`19:19.37`	`tmpttmp`	`no! :)`
`19:19.38`	`withoutclass`	`just a little slow`
`19:19.40`	`withoutclass`	`xD`
`19:20.08`	`ahriman-`	`ntpdate doesn't set the system time correct, is there anything I'm missing?`
`19:20.21`	`withoutclass`	`ahriman-, are you dual booting?`
`19:20.24`	`tmpttmp`	`ahriman-, apt-get dist-upgrade`
`19:20.34`	`lordbambi`	`lol tmpttmp`
`19:20.37`	`tmpttmp`	`if you havent done it already :)`
`19:20.42`	`withoutclass`	`tmpttmp, not so fast`
`19:20.45`	`Elive_user`	`what would be some good things to use elive for other than serf the net and multimedia do they have any handy apts for building your own apts ... im not too advanced yet so im looking for a little wysiwyg to start the learning process`
`19:20.45`	`tmpttmp`	`lordbambi, system time wasnt working for me at first`
`19:20.48`	`withoutclass`	`ntpdate is not originally selected`
`19:20.53`	`ahriman-`	`withoutclass windows and elive on my system only`
`19:21.00`	`withoutclass`	`ahriman-, this is the problem`
`19:21.15`	`withoutclass`	`shoot`
`19:21.19`	`withoutclass`	`what did i make the apt command`
`19:21.27`	`withoutclass`	`apt time-fix`
`19:21.36`	`withoutclass`	`apt timefix`
`19:21.43`	`withoutclass`	`rawr`
`19:21.48`	`lordbambi`	`apt time`
`19:21.49`	`apt`	`You are educated stupid and therefore too dumb to understand nature's perfect time cube! (2006.04.14 19:21:49 GMT)`
`19:21.50`	`Elive_user`	`but would like to learn to migrate to good coding apts`
`19:21.55`	`lordbambi`	`lol`
`19:22.10`	`lordbambi`	`apt fixtime`
`19:22.25`	`withoutclass`	`i forget what i made it, but im pretty sure i used a hyphem`
`19:22.27`	`withoutclass`	`hyphen*(`
`19:22.37`	`lordbambi`	`apt fix-time`
`19:23.03`	`withoutclass`	`there is a variable to change in some file so that elive doesnt use a ceratin time related thing`
`19:23.08`	`withoutclass`	`poop`
`19:23.14`	`lordbambi`	`apt poop`
`19:23.15`	`apt`	`ACTION fertilizes the channel`
`19:23.19`	`withoutclass`	`rofl`
`19:24.01`	`withoutclass`	`i think this was around 2 days ago`
`19:24.04`	`withoutclass`	`so now i get to go through the log`
`19:24.05`	`withoutclass`	`hurray`
`19:24.30`	`withoutclass`	`apt time-bug`
`19:26.13`	`Elive_user`	`can i have multiple backgrounds for my multiple desktops? i have used mandrake before and i figured out how to do it there but im still new to elive and im haveing troubles finding this feature`
`19:26.59`	`Elive_user`	`when i change my background it affects both desktops (maby im missing a radio button or somthing)`
`19:27.23`	`withoutclass`	`Elive_user, i am unsure of this possibility, but at the time i do not think this is possible`
`19:27.34`	`Elive_user`	`ok thanks`
`19:27.40`	`lordbambi`	`i know it is possible in e 16... but i don't know how`
`19:27.52`	`withoutclass`	`apt windowstimefix`
`19:28.00`	`apt`	`i heard windowstimefix is edit /etc/defualt/rcS and change UTC=yes to UTC=no`
`19:28.06`	`withoutclass`	`success!`
`19:28.21`	`withoutclass`	`ahriman-, this is your answer`
`19:28.54`	`withoutclass`	`apt shoot withoutclass`
`19:28.56`	`apt`	`ACTION shoots withoutclass in the head with a glue gun!`
`19:29.11`	`lordbambi`	`apt planeshift`
`19:29.23`	`lordbambi`	`apt apt`
`19:29.24`	`apt`	`apt is probably the Advanced Package Tool, an advanced frontend for dpkg and rpm (depending on your system). For Debian it's a frontend for dpkg. an infobot, the same instance of a blootbot as ibot, jbot, and purl`
`19:30.04`	`Elive_user`	`does anyone have any sugestions for a good apt for viewing online media channels i liked winamps online channels but i would like to find a way to do this in linux`
`19:30.22`	`withoutclass`	`sorry, i am unfamiliar with this`
`19:30.57`	`lordbambi`	`online radio channels??`
`19:31.31`	`Elive_user`	`radio or video ... mainly video but radio would be fine`
`19:31.40`	`lordbambi`	`video=mplayer`
`19:31.47`	`lordbambi`	`radio=xmms`
`19:32.08`	`Elive_user`	`ok thanks ill check it out now ... must have missed that`
`19:33.04`	`lordbambi`	`withoutclass, you remember the fix for the buggy cursor?`
`19:36.02`	`tmpttmp`	`which X server driver should i choose ?`
`19:36.15`	`lordbambi`	`what graphics card have you got :-)`
`19:36.45`	`tmpttmp`	`do i find that out with lspci ?`
`19:36.49`	`lordbambi`	`yep`
`19:36.56`	`Elive_user`	`i see i can play url files but i still cant find any channel listings (list of diffrent streaming channels with varrying content without having to vist a spacific url)`
`19:37.13`	`tmpttmp`	`VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M6 LY`
`19:37.20`	`lordbambi`	`aaah you want something like that... no idea then....`
`19:37.31`	`lordbambi`	`tmpttmp take the ati driver`
`19:37.39`	`Elive_user`	`ok thanks ill look around if i find anything ill post it`
`19:38.02`	`lordbambi`	`if you want to play games install the ati kernel driver`
`19:38.36`	`ahriman-`	`withoutclass, The answer was, for me cuz I live in sweden, make a backup of /etc/localtime and then create a symlink with the name localtime to /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Stockholm. Then when I used ntpdate again was the time correct`
`19:39.00`	`lordbambi`	`and when you boot in windows windows will fuck it up`
`19:39.26`	`lordbambi`	`if you systemtime between windows and linux is different windows will reset your time`
`19:40.39`	`*** join/#elive smartbhai (n=smartbha@59.93.33.235)`
`19:42.05`	`*** part/#elive smartbhai (n=smartbha@59.93.33.235)`
`19:42.50`	`tmpttmp`	`should i use kernel framebuffer device interface ?`
`19:42.53`	`Elive_user`	`i have seen screenshots of what looks like windows being run in a window on linux is this a VM program and if so does anyone know what VM program this might be. looking for a way to run some windows apts other than using wine`
`19:43.23`	`lordbambi`	`you can use vmware`
`19:43.33`	`Elive_user`	`vmware .... is this stable?`
`19:43.33`	`lordbambi`	`i think bochs wich is opensource can do the same thing`
`19:43.50`	`Elive_user`	`what is "bochs"`
`19:43.54`	`lordbambi`	`vmware is comercial software`
`19:44.08`	`Elive_user`	`so $$$ is involved?`
`19:44.30`	`lordbambi`	`bochs - IA-32 PC emulator`
`19:44.38`	`Elive_user`	`is vmware java based or somthing ?`
`19:44.47`	`lordbambi`	`vmware is commercial...`
`19:44.53`	`lordbambi`	`no idea what that is`
`19:46.10`	`lordbambi`	`http://bochs.sourceforge.net/screenshot/winxp-smp2.png`
`19:46.19`	`Elive_user`	`cool thanks ill check it out`
`19:47.32`	`tmpttmp`	`i dont understand why i must go through every installation everytime i dist-upgrade`
`19:47.43`	`tmpttmp`	`i mean, my mouse works fine, why re-detect it? :)`
`19:48.02`	`lordbambi`	`http://www.vmware.com/download/player/ vmware`
`19:48.44`	`lordbambi`	`tmttmp when you dist-upgrade it launches the installers of the different programs.... now that you say it it is actually pretty stupid`
`19:48.59`	`withoutclass`	`ahriman-, glad your problem was solved`
`19:49.51`	`ahriman-`	`thnx`
`19:50.21`	`Elive_user`	`when downloading bochs would it be better to use the .rpm file or the .tar.gz file for elive? still kinda new to installation of software i just remember one of them being some what automated`
`19:50.32`	`lordbambi`	`you have to apt-get it`
`19:50.34`	`lordbambi`	`:-)`
`19:50.43`	`lordbambi`	`open a command line`
`19:50.48`	`Elive_user`	`ok`
`19:50.56`	`lordbambi`	`type: apt-cache update`
`19:51.06`	`lordbambi`	`this will update your local software list`
`19:51.13`	`withoutclass`	`no it wont?`
`19:51.15`	`withoutclass`	`apt-get update`
`19:51.16`	`lordbambi`	`srry apt-get update`
`19:51.23`	`withoutclass`	`it is in there`
`19:51.24`	`lordbambi`	`where was my mind`
`19:51.26`	`withoutclass`	`i just searched it`
`19:51.29`	`tmpttmp`	`<lordbambi> tmttmp when you dist-upgrade it launches the installers of the different programs.... now that you say it it is actually pretty stupid`
`19:51.35`	`tmpttmp`	`ok that was very funny`
`19:51.43`	`tmpttmp`	`haha :D`
`19:51.55`	`tmpttmp`	`great quote.`
`19:52.07`	`Elive_user`	`i got a invalde operation update`
`19:52.19`	`Elive_user`	`ok let me try`
`19:52.23`	`Elive_user`	`just read below`
`19:52.25`	`withoutclass`	`Elive_user, apt-get update && apt-get install bochs`
`19:52.26`	`lordbambi`	`i made a type: apt-get update not apt-cache`
`19:52.37`	`lordbambi`	`dude i was going to explain the search option`
`19:52.49`	`withoutclass`	`go for it`
`19:52.59`	`lordbambi`	`elive_user can i have you attention`
`19:53.05`	`withoutclass`	`lol`
`19:53.07`	`tmpttmp`	`lol`
`19:53.15`	`lordbambi`	`NOW`
`19:53.19`	`lordbambi`	`:-)`
`19:53.39`	`Elive_user`	`yes`
`19:53.40`	`Elive_user`	`sorry`
`19:53.43`	`lordbambi`	`hehe`
`19:53.44`	`Elive_user`	`trying commands`
`19:53.53`	`lordbambi`	`ok i'm gonna teach you some stuff`
`19:53.57`	`lordbambi`	`the POWER of debian`
`19:54.02`	`Elive_user`	`should i download the file first or is that what apt-get does`
`19:54.08`	`Elive_user`	`cool :)`
`19:54.10`	`Elive_user`	`thanks`
`19:54.15`	`Elive_user`	`listening`
`19:54.19`	`lordbambi`	`apt-get is a front end of dpkg, dpkg is the package manager`
`19:54.30`	`Elive_user`	`ok`
`19:54.41`	`lordbambi`	`apt-get keeps a list of all applications that are avaiable on the internet`
`19:54.48`	`Elive_user`	`live list?`
`19:54.51`	`lordbambi`	`when you apt-get update, you update this list`
`19:54.57`	`Elive_user`	`cool`
`19:55.20`	`lordbambi`	`when you want to install an application you use the command apt-get install "application name"`
`19:55.42`	`lordbambi`	`this will look what dependencies the application has and install every necesary part of the software`
`19:55.45`	`tmpttmp`	`wow this dist-upgrade is taking forever ....`
`19:55.51`	`Elive_user`	`wow`
`19:56.04`	`lordbambi`	`now, knowing all the applications can be hard so they also use apt-cache`
`19:56.16`	`lordbambi`	`apt-cache is used to look throught your local list`
`19:56.21`	`Elive_user`	`do i have to be loged in as root`
`19:56.34`	`Elive_user`	`i have tried apt-get and im getting permission denied`
`19:56.38`	`lordbambi`	`when you type apt-cache search firefox, it will look for every package with firefox in it`
`19:56.44`	`Elive_user`	`ok`
`19:56.47`	`lordbambi`	`stay away from your console and listen :-)`
`19:57.08`	`lordbambi`	`so you apt-get update to update your local list`
`19:57.08`	`Elive_user`	`sorry :{`
`19:57.10`	`tmpttmp`	`lol`
`19:57.21`	`lordbambi`	`apt-cache search "package name" to find the package name`
`19:57.31`	`lordbambi`	`apt-get install "package name" installs it`
`19:57.40`	`lordbambi`	`and then the most powerfull one........`
`19:57.44`	`lordbambi`	`apt-get dist-upgrade`
`19:58.11`	`lordbambi`	`this checks what is installed local and compares it to your list of packages. if something newer is in your list, it downloads it and installs it`
`19:58.27`	`lordbambi`	`example:`
`19:58.37`	`lordbambi`	`now you can touch your console :-)`
`19:58.51`	`lordbambi`	`su to become root`
`19:58.56`	`Elive_user`	`ok`
`19:59.00`	`lordbambi`	`apt-get update`
`19:59.07`	`withoutclass`	`Elive_user> do i have to be loged in as root <--you must only be root for install or updating, apt-cache search doesnot require root privelages`
`19:59.09`	`lordbambi`	`so your local list is updated with all the new packages on the net`
`19:59.19`	`Elive_user`	`its working :)`
`19:59.35`	`Elive_user`	`ok done`
`19:59.40`	`lordbambi`	`you see it going through the package servers :-)`
`19:59.53`	`lordbambi`	`now we will look for bochs package name`
`19:59.54`	`Elive_user`	`yes`
`19:59.58`	`lordbambi`	`apt-cache search bochs`
`20:00.30`	`Elive_user`	`ok`
`20:00.30`	`lordbambi`	`aaah this one is the one: bochs - IA-32 PC emulator`
`20:00.36`	`lordbambi`	`so apt-get install bochs`
`20:00.45`	`Elive_user`	`see it how could you tell`
`20:01.06`	`lordbambi`	`now you see the different dependencies.. it asks if you want to download the other packages. answer yes`
`20:01.07`	`Elive_user`	`the only one that is fallowed by plug in lol or doc`
`20:01.36`	`Elive_user`	`ok installing .................`
`20:01.38`	`Elive_user`	`10%`
`20:01.47`	`lordbambi`	`that is all there is to installing on debian`
`20:01.52`	`Elive_user`	`thats it`
`20:01.57`	`lordbambi`	`to remove: apt-get remove package name`
`20:02.06`	`Elive_user`	`cool thanks`
`20:02.15`	`Elive_user`	`now how do i know where it installed it to`
`20:02.19`	`lordbambi`	`remember dist-upgrade that is the feature that rocks`
`20:02.21`	`Elive_user`	`default directory or somthing`
`20:02.27`	`lordbambi`	`it is always installed to /usr`
`20:02.41`	`Elive_user`	`so that just downloads only the upgrades for that apt that i need right?`
`20:02.57`	`lordbambi`	`'/etc = configuration`
`20:02.57`	`Elive_user`	`that is so cool`
`20:03.04`	`lordbambi`	`'/home is homedirectory`
`20:03.13`	`lordbambi`	`'/usr is programs`
`20:03.28`	`Elive_user`	`so probably in usr ?`
`20:03.31`	`lordbambi`	`'/bin is binary programs for root`
`20:03.41`	`lordbambi`	`'/dev are your devices`
`20:04.02`	`lordbambi`	`'/proc is your actual computer running`
`20:04.09`	`lordbambi`	`'/lib are libraries`
`20:04.23`	`lordbambi`	`'/root is the roots home directory`
`20:04.48`	`lordbambi`	`there is quate a lot about this in the wikipedia`
`20:05.06`	`Elive_user`	`ok thanks that was suficent`
`20:05.51`	`lordbambi`	`tomorow i will give a test....`
`20:06.03`	`lordbambi`	`class dismissed...`
`20:06.03`	`lordbambi`	`:-)`
`20:06.17`	`Elive_user`	`thanks allot ... do you have time for one more question relating to live cds and putting apps on it that i want to use on the live cd`
`20:06.35`	`lordbambi`	`hmmm check the knoppix project for that`
`20:06.43`	`lordbambi`	`knoppix remaster they call it`
`20:06.46`	`Elive_user`	`just really needing to know a save directory to put these files in without hurting the live cd`
`20:06.53`	`Elive_user`	`ok thanks`
`20:07.04`	`Elive_user`	`learned somthing new:)`
`20:07.21`	`Elive_user`	`made this installation stuff a whole lot easier`
`20:07.23`	`lordbambi`	`knoppix has a distro that works with an USB stick....the programs and homedirectory are put on the USB stick`
`20:07.32`	`lordbambi`	`apt-get rules...`
`20:07.40`	`withoutclass`	`gplgeek is working to get an elive distro like this`
`20:07.43`	`Elive_user`	`sure does!!!! :)`
`20:07.49`	`lordbambi`	`kewl`
`20:09.06`	`Elive_user`	`thanks for your time i think im going to play with these new commands for a while so they will be burnt into my nural passages lol`
`20:09.14`	`lordbambi`	`apt-get is the reason i use debian`
`20:09.20`	`Elive_user`	`i like it`
`20:09.22`	`lordbambi`	`elive_user do you know man?`
`20:10.01`	`Elive_user`	`know man?`
`20:10.07`	`withoutclass`	`man pages eh?`
`20:10.10`	`lordbambi`	`yep`
`20:10.20`	`Elive_user`	`man pages ... no im afriad not`
`20:10.27`	`lordbambi`	`try this: man man`
`20:10.37`	`Elive_user`	`in console ?`
`20:10.40`	`lordbambi`	`yes`
`20:10.43`	`Elive_user`	`ok`
`20:11.16`	`Elive_user`	`manual .... i like those`
`20:11.18`	`lordbambi`	`see what man does. it brings up a manual of the man command`
`20:11.25`	`lordbambi`	`q to exit`
`20:11.29`	`lordbambi`	`try man apt-get`
`20:11.49`	`Elive_user`	`kewl`
`20:12.02`	`Elive_user`	`everything is now getting clearer`
`20:12.09`	`lordbambi`	`every command has it's own man page... even files: try this: man smb.conf`
`20:12.26`	`Elive_user`	`can i get a list of commands`
`20:12.35`	`lordbambi`	`there are a LOT....`
`20:12.49`	`Elive_user`	`lol`
`20:12.54`	`lordbambi`	`i have a book 300 pages filled with commands`
`20:13.00`	`Elive_user`	`looks like im going to be busy today`
`20:13.03`	`Elive_user`	`lol`
`20:13.10`	`Elive_user`	`thats a large book`
`20:13.20`	`tmpttmp`	`Elive_user, go to /usr/bin /usr/sbin and there are your commands`
`20:13.25`	`withoutclass`	`not all are used often..or at all`
`20:13.26`	`tmpttmp`	`(not all of them though)`
`20:13.48`	`withoutclass`	`apt monkies`
`20:13.56`	`withoutclass`	`boo`
`20:13.56`	`Elive_user`	`i take it people make their own commands so documentation on all of them is difficult eh?`
`20:13.59`	`withoutclass`	`apt monkeys`
`20:14.01`	`apt`	`This problem, like many others in the computer industry, can be solved by the application of monkeys.`
`20:14.05`	`lordbambi`	`http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/linux/cmd/`
`20:14.08`	`withoutclass`	`lol`
`20:14.25`	`lordbambi`	`elive_user here is your list: http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/linux/cmd/`
`20:14.29`	`Elive_user`	`apt monkeys ...... people?`
`20:14.57`	`lordbambi`	`http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxnut4/ this is the book i have, really good`
`20:15.15`	`*** join/#elive IcedEarth (n=Elive_us@212.42.191.250)`
`20:15.17`	`Elive_user`	`linux in a nut shell? i think i have heard of this`
`20:15.21`	`IcedEarth`	`how do I upgrade`
`20:15.26`	`IcedEarth`	`the page is goine off the website`
`20:15.32`	`lordbambi`	`elive_user answer the man`
`20:15.38`	`Elive_user`	`so i better get it now then eh?`
`20:15.51`	`lordbambi`	`no you are to young to use it... (in the linux world)`
`20:16.01`	`lordbambi`	`it is not a manual it is a reference work`
`20:16.13`	`lordbambi`	`icedearth: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade`
`20:16.17`	`IcedEarth`	`ta`
`20:17.16`	`lordbambi`	`it is not a book to learn linux, it is a book to look a small thing up`
`20:17.19`	`Elive_user`	`theres that apt-get again lol i love it`
`20:17.28`	`withoutclass`	`Elive_user, for a beginner, most of the things you will need to use will be picked up from experience/time not really reading about them, you do not really need strange things`
`20:17.42`	`IcedEarth`	`yes, books are no good`
`20:17.43`	`Elive_user`	`so not a read through ... more of a refrence guide`
`20:17.46`	`IcedEarth`	`not really`
`20:17.47`	`IcedEarth`	`just day in day out`
`20:17.48`	`IcedEarth`	`using it`
`20:17.56`	`lordbambi`	`i would recomend an old 80's unix book that explains the basic unix stuff`
`20:18.03`	`IcedEarth`	`I have a laminate card with basic commands on`
`20:18.05`	`withoutclass`	`Elive_user, you can also use synaptic...if you would rather use a gui that does the same thing you are typing in the terminal`
`20:18.06`	`lordbambi`	`pick one up at a flea market`
`20:18.08`	`Elive_user`	`then work my way up?`
`20:18.10`	`IcedEarth`	`what does update break anything?`
`20:18.19`	`withoutclass`	`IcedEarth, usually not`
`20:18.30`	`IcedEarth`	`is the jpeg thing fixed?`
`20:18.40`	`*** join/#elive Elive_user2 (n=Elive_us@host217-245.pool8289.interbusiness.it)`
`20:18.45`	`withoutclass`	`IcedEarth, what jpeg thing`
`20:18.52`	`lordbambi`	`well i'm out to have a drink in the real world...`
`20:19.02`	`lordbambi`	`need to keep my alcohol levels up :-)`
`20:19.05`	`withoutclass`	`lordbambi, good luck, dont get run over by any cars`
`20:19.05`	`Elive_user`	`how do you send me a message with the sound ....does that keep others from seeing it to save from chat confusion?`
`20:19.06`	`IcedEarth`	`jpeg is unhandled mime type`
`20:19.06`	`withoutclass`	`xD`
`20:19.10`	`IcedEarth`	`and therefore`
`20:19.12`	`withoutclass`	`Elive_user, you say their name`
`20:19.18`	`IcedEarth`	`image viewer doesnt work`
`20:19.24`	`withoutclass`	`IcedEarth, what image viewer`
`20:19.33`	`Elive_user`	`withoutclass: like this?`
`20:19.38`	`withoutclass`	`ye`
`20:19.38`	`IcedEarth`	`welll`
`20:19.38`	`Elive_user`	`or maby`
`20:19.39`	`withoutclass`	`s`
`20:19.46`	`Elive_user`	`withoutclass like this?`
`20:19.46`	`IcedEarth`	`i installed another one evince`
`20:19.52`	`lordbambi`	`imageviewer: gqviewer`
`20:19.57`	`withoutclass`	`gimp!`
`20:20.25`	`lordbambi`	`gimp is for editing.. gqviewer is for slideshow and viewing only`
`20:20.27`	`IcedEarth`	`gimp works but pain in the arse`
`20:20.30`	`withoutclass`	`IcedEarth, evidence is a module of e17 and therefore`
`20:20.31`	`IcedEarth`	`to open again and again`
`20:20.33`	`withoutclass`	`apt e17`
`20:20.35`	`apt`	`rumour has it, e17 is IN DEVELOPEMENT, and this is the same to NOT FINISHED, some parts works, and some parts not works, e17 not is prepaired for the end-user, if you continue like to use it is your problem, if you search a stable thing, use e16`
`20:20.54`	`IcedEarth`	`okay`
`20:21.06`	`IcedEarth`	`I know I shouldnt complain using e17`
`20:21.25`	`lordbambi`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:21.36`	`withoutclass`	`well, you can, maybe there are known fixes, but when it comes to modules or programs created specificly for e17, they are often not complete or broken`
`20:21.57`	`IcedEarth`	`dont worrk`
`20:21.59`	`IcedEarth`	`worry`
`20:22.04`	`IcedEarth`	`ill find a viewer to work`
`20:22.15`	`lordbambi`	`icedearth use gqview... i like it verry much`
`20:22.33`	`IcedEarth`	`ok, ill give it a go`
`20:22.49`	`Elive_user`	`brb need to go to the store for the wife`
`20:22.52`	`lordbambi`	`laterz all`
`20:22.59`	`IcedEarth`	`bye`
`20:23.48`	`withoutclass`	`wife!`
`20:23.53`	`withoutclass`	`=p`
`20:51.49`	`sebby[n]`	`withoutclass how are you?`
`20:52.01`	`withoutclass`	`sleepy`
`20:52.17`	`sebby[n]`	`lol`
`20:52.35`	`sebby[n]`	`your tutorial about hotkeys is now available in French ;)`
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`20:56.29`	`withoutclass`	`=D`
`20:56.32`	`withoutclass`	`Thanatermesis, ping`
`20:56.43`	`Muta`	`pong xD`
`21:00.42`	`withoutclass`	`xD`
`21:00.50`	`withoutclass`	`apt ping`
`21:00.51`	`apt`	`pong`
`21:00.57`	`withoutclass`	`apt pong`
`21:00.58`	`apt`	`\| .`
`21:01.29`	`Tanner`	`OMG`
`21:01.49`	`Tanner`	`Do you ever wonder at what point you ask a proffesional for help?`
`21:02.06`	`Tanner`	`Like with your brain... not with the computer`
`21:02.22`	`withoutclass`	`no`
`21:02.25`	`Tanner`	`meh`
`21:02.30`	`withoutclass`	`crazy = normal`
`21:02.34`	`withoutclass`	`normal = needs help`
`21:02.59`	`withoutclass`	`strange circular argument`
`21:03.26`	`withoutclass`	`i like to see it as , if you consider yourself normal, you are crazy`
`21:03.54`	`Tanner`	`XD`
`21:03.58`	`Tanner`	`too true`
`21:04.34`	`sebby[n]`	`needs help = crazy ?`
`21:04.38`	`sebby[n]`	`;)`
`21:05.24`	`Muta`	`tengo suenio!`
`21:07.30`	`Thanatermesis`	`withoutclass pong`
`21:07.42`	`withoutclass`	`Thanatermesis, you know of ifplugd package?`
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`21:10.16`	`sebby[n]`	`salut bhoda`
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`21:13.33`	`tmpttmp`	`salut les frangins`
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`21:13.42`	`tmpttmp`	`apt word`
`21:13.51`	`tmpttmp`	`apt gpl`
`21:13.52`	`apt`	`i heard gpl is an awful and terrible license. you know stallman wants to do away with the LGPL entirely also`
`21:14.04`	`tmpttmp`	`lol`
`21:14.31`	`tmpttmp`	`apt withoutclass`
`21:14.47`	`tmpttmp`	`apt elive`
`21:14.49`	`apt`	`methinks elive is a livecd (installable) project and a perfectly distro based in debian and have only the enlightenment WM for managing all the system, utilities, libs, instalation, programation in EFL... the best distro in the world for this moments :)`
`21:15.16`	`tmpttmp`	`apt bragging`
`21:15.30`	`Thanatermesis`	`withoutclass ifplugd package ? what is that ? this exist on debian ?`
`21:15.55`	`withoutclass`	`Thanatermesis, yes, it is a network monitor that checks if the ethernet is plugged in at boot, otherwise skips dhcp i think`
`21:17.44`	`_H_`	`dererk? estas?`
`21:18.41`	`withoutclass`	`Thanatermesis, maybe you can make a look this package for future elive`
`21:19.21`	`Thanatermesis`	`withoutclass its perfectly makeable with the autolaunchers of Elive... in reality exist a part (not finished) where when you plug a wifi device, it launch a dhcp command :)`
`21:19.32`	`withoutclass`	`=D`
`21:19.39`	`withoutclass`	`just thought i would bring this up to you`
`21:19.44`	`withoutclass`	`i must go home now`
`21:19.47`	`Thanatermesis`	`but not is finished because i want to make it better (check first if not exist a configuration for it, if exist, then configure it in static, no auto dhcp)`
`21:19.56`	`withoutclass`	`Thanatermesis, yes`
`21:20.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`anyways... we need to continue looking for the ipod withoutclass, when you have a time`
`21:20.17`	`withoutclass`	`Thanatermesis, like this http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/312`
`21:20.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`i think to not is hard.. but we need to test :)`
`21:20.24`	`withoutclass`	`Thanatermesis, yes, i will have time very soon`
`21:20.32`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok`
`21:20.39`	`withoutclass`	`i am going to my dads, there i will have ssh possibility`
`21:20.53`	`withoutclass`	`maybe in an hour`
`21:20.54`	`tmpttmp`	`do you all use Xchat ?`
`21:21.18`	`tmpttmp`	`what makes it so that withoutclass's nickname is always in pink letters, Thanatermesis's nick is always green, etc. ?`
`21:21.18`	`sebby[n]`	`tmpttmp I do`
`21:21.31`	`tmpttmp`	`this is a pretty cool feature, how does it work?`
`21:21.40`	`IcedEarth`	`?`
`21:21.49`	`withoutclass`	`part of xchat based on the characters in the name i think`
`21:21.49`	`tmpttmp`	`IcedEarth, your nickname is always green to me.`
`21:21.56`	`IcedEarth`	`its grey here`
`21:22.04`	`withoutclass`	`IcedEarth, it is grey for the user of xchat`
`21:22.09`	`IcedEarth`	`yours is blue`
`21:22.10`	`IcedEarth`	`ah`
`21:22.13`	`sebby[n]`	`for me nicks are all blue`
`21:22.15`	`tmpttmp`	`yes IcedEarth, my own text (tmpttmp) is grey`
`21:22.18`	`Thanatermesis`	`tmpttmp this is just "how to works the xchat" actually`
`21:22.26`	`withoutclass`	`apt xchat`
`21:22.27`	`apt`	`rumour has it, xchat is an IRC client for unix and windows at http://www.xchat.org or http://www.silverex.org/news/`
`21:22.33`	`withoutclass`	`=o`
`21:22.33`	`IcedEarth`	`i just had to reconfigure my xorg stuff`
`21:22.35`	`IcedEarth`	`i hope it works`
`21:22.40`	`withoutclass`	`i must go`
`21:22.41`	`IcedEarth`	`after update`
`21:22.48`	`withoutclass`	`Thanatermesis, i will be back later to test`
`21:22.51`	`tmpttmp`	`<Thanatermesis> tmpttmp this is just "how to works the xchat" actually`
`21:22.57`	`tmpttmp`	`yeah well ....`
`21:22.58`	`Thanatermesis`	`thx withoutclass, tell me :)`
`21:23.03`	`withoutclass`	`yes =D`
`21:23.09`	`Thanatermesis`	`tmpttmp programation... :)`
`21:23.11`	`tmpttmp`	`how does xchat choose which colors ?`
`21:23.17`	`Thanatermesis`	`i don't know`
`21:23.17`	`tmpttmp`	`... i know that Thanatermesis`
`21:23.21`	`Thanatermesis`	`look the source code`
`21:23.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`you have it :)`
`21:23.27`	`tmpttmp`	`;p`
`21:23.31`	`tmpttmp`	`yeah i might do that sometime`
`21:23.41`	`Thanatermesis`	`if you know C.. not is a problem`
`21:23.42`	`tmpttmp`	`:)`
`21:23.47`	`Thanatermesis`	`(or the language programed)`
`21:23.55`	`Thanatermesis`	`anyways.. i don't think to its hard`
`21:24.01`	`tmpttmp`	`i dont know C but i might figure it out`
`21:24.03`	`Thanatermesis`	`maybe looking the ip, or similar, set a color`
`21:24.10`	`tmpttmp`	`yeah`
`21:24.12`	`tmpttmp`	`i wonder`
`21:24.47`	`tmpttmp`	`xchat is neat`
`21:24.57`	`tmpttmp`	`i like BitchX too`
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`22:50.39`	`tmpttmp`	`hi`
`22:50.48`	`Mutacion`	`hello xD`
`22:50.49`	`tmpttmp`	`i've just run a "apt-get dist-upgrade" and rebooted`
`22:50.54`	`tmpttmp`	`now a bunch of modules are missing`
`22:51.08`	`Mutacion`	`gulp.. are u using the last elive distro? elive 0.4 ?`
`22:51.16`	`tmpttmp`	`and when i try to run Eterm, it's rxvt that opens!! :(`
`22:51.40`	`Mutacion`	`achiz`
`22:51.46`	`tmpttmp`	`actually i'm not sure what elive version im using`
`22:52.06`	`tmpttmp`	`"achiz" ?`
`22:52.07`	`Mutacion`	`mm.. im not now under elive.. mmm..`
`22:52.17`	`Mutacion`	`well open a terminal an put $Eterm&`
`22:52.30`	`Mutacion`	`and well see if Eterm(elive terminal) appears again`
`22:53.03`	`tmpttmp`	`normally, all i had to do was: "Eterm"`
`22:53.08`	`tmpttmp`	`and Eterm opened.`
`22:53.24`	`tmpttmp`	`now, when i run "Eterm", a terminal opens, but its not the right one, its rxvt !`
`22:53.32`	`Mutacion`	`mmm :s`
`22:53.52`	`tmpttmp`	`also, modules are missing (i.e.; tclock...)`
`22:54.21`	`Mutacion`	`did u do an #apt-et update before #apt-get dist-upgrade?`
`22:54.28`	`tmpttmp`	`yes`
`22:54.59`	`Mutacion`	`thats really is a bad new`
`22:55.26`	`tmpttmp`	`yes....`
`22:55.33`	`tmpttmp`	`everything worked well before today`
`22:55.35`	`Mutacion`	`let me talk it with the other developers.. maybe they know a good answer..or maybe the sources are broken.. i dunno`
`22:55.42`	`tmpttmp`	`ok, thanks`
`22:55.49`	`IcedEarth`	`have you tried re-loading the modules`
`22:55.54`	`Mutacion`	`i have 1hr here.. jiji.. arraived from vacations jiji`
`22:56.00`	`IcedEarth`	`are you using e16 or e17`
`22:56.01`	`tmpttmp`	`they arent in the modules list anymore!`
`22:56.12`	`IcedEarth`	`you have to get them with apt-get`
`22:56.21`	`IcedEarth`	`they are seperate package now`
`22:57.34`	`tmpttmp`	`i had those modules earlier today, before i did a 'dist-upgrade' ...`
`22:57.49`	`tmpttmp`	`why did the dist-upgrade remove the modules ?`
`22:57.55`	`tmpttmp`	`it doesnt make much sense to me`
`22:58.08`	`IcedEarth`	`well its an upgrade`
`22:58.08`	`IcedEarth`	`the modules are not supplied as standard anymore`
`22:58.19`	`tmpttmp`	`apt-get install tclock ?`
`22:58.44`	`tmpttmp`	`apt-cache search tclock = no result`
`22:59.06`	`IcedEarth`	`no hold on`
`22:59.31`	`IcedEarth`	`all the modules are in one package#`
`22:59.41`	`tmpttmp`	`ok..`
`22:59.49`	`tmpttmp`	`i still have _some_ modules in the modules list`
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`22:59.54`	`tmpttmp`	`but only like 7 or 8`
`23:00.12`	`IcedEarth`	`yes, there are a few by default, but rain, fire, slideshow etc`
`23:00.14`	`IcedEarth`	`are not there anymore`
`23:00.17`	`tmpttmp`	`ok`
`23:00.18`	`IcedEarth`	`the package is e-modules`
`23:00.21`	`tmpttmp`	`thx`
`23:00.27`	`IcedEarth`	`np`
`23:00.34`	`tmpttmp`	`what about Eterm ?`
`23:00.38`	`tmpttmp`	`do you have an idea?`
`23:00.40`	`IcedEarth`	`what about it`
`23:00.47`	`tmpttmp`	`before my dist-upgrade, Eterm was fine`
`23:00.55`	`tmpttmp`	`now when i run Eterm, rxvt pops up`
`23:01.04`	`IcedEarth`	`the difference being?`
`23:01.08`	`tmpttmp`	`the reason why i was using Eterm is because i dont like rxvt`
`23:01.15`	`IcedEarth`	`Not sure about that one`
`23:01.21`	`tmpttmp`	`rxvt = no font edition, no customization`
`23:01.33`	`IcedEarth`	`Eterm, just has shadowed font`
`23:01.35`	`tmpttmp`	`to be honest i hate this terminal`
`23:01.36`	`IcedEarth`	`does yours have this now?`
`23:01.46`	`tmpttmp`	`Eterm allowed me to edit the font size ....`
`23:01.51`	`tmpttmp`	`not it doesnt`
`23:01.57`	`tmpttmp`	`yes, Eterm now has shadowed font`
`23:01.58`	`IcedEarth`	`not sure about this`
`23:02.11`	`tmpttmp`	`just this morning i was using Eterm and i could edit font size`
`23:02.12`	`IcedEarth`	`I use rxvt, thats okay for me`
`23:02.21`	`tmpttmp`	`i know its ok for most people but it really annoys me`
`23:02.24`	`IcedEarth`	`or I use proper terminal with Ctrl Alt F1 or whatever`
`23:02.36`	`IcedEarth`	`well perhaps install gnome terminal or something`
`23:02.38`	`tmpttmp`	`i need to be able to change font size`
`23:02.46`	`IcedEarth`	`well is there not a . file with Eterm`
`23:02.56`	`Mutacion`	`and if we..#apt-get remove rxvt and do an #apt-get install Eterm? xD`
`23:02.57`	`IcedEarth`	`in your home diretory where you can configure`
`23:03.02`	`tmpttmp`	`gnome terminal? wont that require a whole bunch of libraries, that wont be of any use, except for gnome terminal?`
`23:03.15`	`IcedEarth`	`not sure, like I say, not a problem for me`
`23:03.28`	`Mutacion`	`gnome-terminal sucks! it depends on gnome dependencies.. or maybe u copuld install xterm :P`
`23:03.40`	`IcedEarth`	`??`
`23:03.51`	`IcedEarth`	`yes, but I know little about these things`
`23:04.04`	`IcedEarth`	`I always adapt to whatever terminal is there by default`
`23:04.24`	`Mutacion`	`i used any terminal :P`
`23:04.46`	`IcedEarth`	`aye`
`23:04.47`	`tmpttmp`	`what is very sad is that everything was fine this morning before my dist-upgrade`
`23:04.48`	`IcedEarth`	`mee too`
`23:04.54`	`IcedEarth`	`dont worry we have all been here`
`23:05.01`	`tmpttmp`	`ppl here were recommending me to dist-upgrade everyday`
`23:05.03`	`IcedEarth`	`things break, especially if you are using e17`
`23:05.05`	`tmpttmp`	`now i know I was right :P`
`23:05.11`	`tmpttmp`	`yeah ...`
`23:05.14`	`IcedEarth`	`you must be aware thats its in development`
`23:05.18`	`IcedEarth`	`so you have to take the knocks`
`23:05.28`	`tmpttmp`	`its cool with me but you have to admit this is weird`
`23:05.35`	`Mutacion`	`e17 is under develop..as u can see..ppl are trying to make it stable but it still inst`
`23:05.46`	`IcedEarth`	`no, it was just decided that the modules were not to be included as standard`
`23:05.51`	`tmpttmp`	`updates are made to make thins work better, not to make things 'not work anymore' , if you see what im saying`
`23:05.57`	`IcedEarth`	`its okay, I use e17 every day`
`23:06.00`	`IcedEarth`	`and upgrade once a week`
`23:06.05`	`IcedEarth`	`and everythings cool`
`23:06.13`	`IcedEarth`	`you will adapt to the climate`
`23:06.27`	`IcedEarth`	`as must all who walk with the Pioneers`
`23:06.29`	`IcedEarth`	`;)`
`23:06.33`	`tmpttmp`	`blah`
`23:06.45`	`IcedEarth`	`I had a go with xgl this week`
`23:06.47`	`IcedEarth`	`boys its cool`
`23:06.58`	`tmpttmp`	`what can i use for replacement for eterm then`
`23:06.58`	`Mutacion`	`yeah its cool but only for gnome :(`
`23:07.02`	`IcedEarth`	`at the moment`
`23:07.06`	`Mutacion`	`tmpttmp, xterm`
`23:07.09`	`IcedEarth`	`its very heavy on memory`
`23:07.17`	`IcedEarth`	`218mb just for desktop used!!!!`
`23:07.29`	`IcedEarth`	`but the desktop switching and paneling of all open apps is nice`
`23:07.37`	`IcedEarth`	`but the window wobble is a bit superflous`
`23:08.53`	`tmpttmp`	`xterm is the same as rxvt ...`
`23:08.58`	`tmpttmp`	`no font size editing..`
`23:08.59`	`IcedEarth`	`mine isnt`
`23:09.06`	`IcedEarth`	`oh`
`23:09.06`	`tmpttmp`	`this is a bit frustrating`
`23:09.08`	`IcedEarth`	`hold on`
`23:09.10`	`IcedEarth`	`stick with it`
`23:09.17`	`IcedEarth`	`this is Linux`
`23:09.29`	`tmpttmp`	`well well well`
`23:10.03`	`tmpttmp`	`we all have a different vision of linux, dont we`
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`23:10.21`	`tmpttmp`	`i'm stuck with a shitty resolution`
`23:10.30`	`tmpttmp`	`and the only solution i found for this, was to edit fonts`
`23:10.36`	`tmpttmp`	`and now i cant`
`23:10.42`	`IcedEarth`	`mmm`
`23:10.47`	`IcedEarth`	`what resolution do you have`
`23:10.56`	`tmpttmp`	`doesnt matter, it's shitty for me`
`23:10.59`	`IcedEarth`	`okay`
`23:11.11`	`sebby[n]`	`good night!`
`23:11.15`	`IcedEarth`	`night`
`23:11.57`	`tmpttmp`	`should I add more URLS in my apt.sourceslist file ?`
`23:12.12`	`tmpttmp`	`so i can somehow get some terminal programs that actually offer font size edition`
`23:12.42`	`tmpttmp`	`apt-get says i have the latest Eterm version... that doesnt make any sense to me`
`23:12.47`	`tmpttmp`	`since last version was 10times better`
`23:12.50`	`IcedEarth`	`hold on im just checking out the xfe terminal`
`23:12.59`	`tmpttmp`	`ok`
`23:12.59`	`IcedEarth`	`this only requires a few libraries`
`23:13.06`	`IcedEarth`	`if font editing is what you really need`
`23:13.34`	`tmpttmp`	`i have an application called "xfe", it seems its a file manager`
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`23:14.09`	`IcedEarth`	`sorry i meant xfce`
`23:14.12`	`IcedEarth`	`the desktop`
`23:14.22`	`IcedEarth`	`not xfe the file manager`
`23:14.48`	`tmpttmp`	`xfce is a window manager ?`
`23:14.59`	`IcedEarth`	`okay this is the terminal you want`
`23:15.04`	`IcedEarth`	`it has file edit etc etc`
`23:15.10`	`IcedEarth`	`so you should be able to set the fonts`
`23:15.26`	`tmpttmp`	`this terminal youre talking about, it works inside elive/enlightenment ?`
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`23:15.35`	`_H_`	`thanatermesis, como pongo el wireless aqui?`
`23:15.38`	`IcedEarth`	`yes`
`23:15.40`	`IcedEarth`	`ive just used it`
`23:15.42`	`_H_`	`necesito el zd1211`
`23:15.44`	`Thanatermesis`	`huyhuyhuy`
`23:15.49`	`Thanatermesis`	`zd1211 ?`
`23:15.49`	`IcedEarth`	`just install it from synaptic`
`23:15.51`	`Thanatermesis`	`dejame ver...`
`23:15.52`	`_H_`	`si`
`23:16.00`	`_H_`	`pero no parece tener el modulo`
`23:16.04`	`Mutacion`	`nos vemos`
`23:16.09`	`Thanatermesis`	`_H_ donde estas ? en Elive ?`
`23:16.14`	`Mutacion`	`qiubole thana.. hola thana.. ayo0 thana :P`
`23:16.14`	`_H_`	`si`
`23:16.17`	`Thanatermesis`	`instalada ?`
`23:16.27`	`tmpttmp`	`synaptic ?`
`23:16.31`	`tmpttmp`	`can i install it with apt-get`
`23:16.35`	`IcedEarth`	`whichever`
`23:16.41`	`IcedEarth`	`all roads lead to mandalay`
`23:16.43`	`tmpttmp`	`ok, its called xfce ?`
`23:16.46`	`Thanatermesis`	`_H_ yo aqui veo drivers para los dos kernels de Elive en los repos de Elive, estas de suerte :)`
`23:16.51`	`IcedEarth`	`its called xfce4-terminal`
`23:16.57`	`tmpttmp`	`thanks IcedEarth`
`23:16.58`	`IcedEarth`	`synaptic is better then you dont have to know`
`23:17.00`	`IcedEarth`	`the names`
`23:17.06`	`tmpttmp`	`oh, right.`
`23:17.07`	`IcedEarth`	`synaptic just front end for apt-get anyway`
`23:17.12`	`IcedEarth`	`np`
`23:17.15`	`tmpttmp`	`i'm more used to apt-get`
`23:17.20`	`_H_`	`en los dos kernels?`
`23:17.23`	`IcedEarth`	`well synaptic is good for searching`
`23:17.31`	`IcedEarth`	`this is why i found the terminal program`
`23:17.33`	`_H_`	`yo tengo el 12 instalado con el elive`
`23:17.36`	`IcedEarth`	`you should use it`
`23:17.38`	`tmpttmp`	`oh i see`
`23:17.41`	`IcedEarth`	`you can search on like`
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`23:17.44`	`_H_`	`que le digo? porque modprobe no funciona`
`23:17.52`	`IcedEarth`	`use the tools, your computing experience will be less frustrating`
`23:18.14`	`Thanatermesis`	`_H_ es un paquete, no esta isntalado por default, apt-cache search zd1211`
`23:18.33`	`Elive_user2`	`new to elive and wondering if there is a default directory apt-get install puts the apts in`
`23:18.40`	`*** join/#elive egrub (n=lilo78@190.48.1.208)`
`23:18.54`	`IcedEarth`	`Elive_user2, what do you mean?`
`23:18.59`	`tmpttmp`	`hurray IcedEarth , you made my day, this is what i was looking for`
`23:19.06`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive_user2 same to in debian, on /var/cache/apt/archives, if you want to delete its, "apt-cache clean"`
`23:19.07`	`IcedEarth`	`good, glad to hear it`
`23:19.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt-get clean, sorry`
`23:19.14`	`IcedEarth`	`now can you fix my laptop screen for me`
`23:19.19`	`tmpttmp`	`:D`
`23:19.22`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt changenicks`
`23:19.23`	`IcedEarth`	`its dying`
`23:19.24`	`Elive_user2`	`i used apt-get for the first time to install a programm im sure it was successfull just not sure where i can find the results`
`23:19.25`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt changenick`
`23:19.27`	`apt`	`somebody said changenick was Elive_user Elive_user2 Elive_user3, please change their nickname, if not, no more users can be posible to enter in the channel`
`23:19.40`	`IcedEarth`	`Elive_user2, use find`
`23:19.48`	`IcedEarth`	`to see where it is installed to`
`23:19.50`	`IcedEarth`	`what is the program`
`23:19.52`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive_user2 dpkg -L packagename for show "where is hte files installed"`
`23:20.04`	`IcedEarth`	`and again like i said to tmptmp, use synaptic`
`23:20.06`	`Thanatermesis`	`or dpkg -L packagename \| grep bin`
`23:20.09`	`IcedEarth`	`to see what is installed and what isnt`
`23:20.11`	`Elive_user2`	`ok thank ill exit and come back with a name`
`23:20.15`	`IcedEarth`	`elive panel is there for a reason!!!`
`23:20.26`	`IcedEarth`	`Thana programmed it for us to have easy time with elive!!!`
`23:20.31`	`_H_`	`E: No se pudo encontrar el paquete zd1211`
`23:20.53`	`Thanatermesis`	`$ apt-cache search zd1211`
`23:20.53`	`Thanatermesis`	`zd1211-module-2.6.12 - ZD1211 wireless USB dongle driver module.`
`23:20.53`	`Thanatermesis`	`zd1211-module-2.6.15 - ZD1211 wireless USB dongle driver module.`
`23:20.53`	`Thanatermesis`	`_H_`
`23:21.16`	`_H_`	`ejem`
`23:21.41`	`_H_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:21.41`	`_H_`	`zd1211-firmware - Firmware images for the zd1211 wireless driver`
`23:21.59`	`_H_`	`nada de modules en mi sources`
`23:22.06`	`_H_`	`a ver si he comentado algo`
`23:22.14`	`Thanatermesis`	`o_O`
`23:22.22`	`Thanatermesis`	`que has cambiado el repo de Elive ?`
`23:22.25`	`Thanatermesis`	`el sources.list ?`
`23:22.51`	`_H_`	`dererk me dijo que quitase el comentario del morphix`
`23:22.57`	`_H_`	`y comente todo lo otro`
`23:23.07`	`Thanatermesis`	`o_O'`
`23:23.09`	`_H_`	`ahora comento el morphix y descomento todo lo otro`
`23:23.18`	`Thanatermesis`	`no no.. espera xD`
`23:23.22`	`_H_`	`dererk me intentaba ayudar`
`23:23.28`	`_H_`	`no?`
`23:23.31`	`_H_`	`espero`
`23:23.33`	`egrub`	`_H_, dererk es choto`
`23:23.34`	`egrub`	`xDDD`
`23:23.37`	`*** join/#elive Elive_user2 (n=Elive_us@cblmdm72-240-248-104.buckeyecom.net)`
`23:23.44`	`_H_`	`dict choto`
`23:23.53`	`Thanatermesis`	`mira el ultimo del faq _H_ :) http://wiki.elivecd.org/index.php/FAQ#Correct_repositories`
`23:23.54`	`_H_`	`bash: dict: command not found`
`23:24.20`	`Thanatermesis`	`si.. supongo que te intentaba ayudar.. pero no entiendo para que comentar los repositorios oficiales que tienee Elive por default xD`
`23:26.00`	`Elive_user2`	`how do i change my nick?`
`23:26.07`	`Thanatermesis`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:26.13`	`Thanatermesis`	`or Control + S`
`23:26.27`	`b1naryf0g`	`thanks`
`23:26.36`	`b1naryf0g`	`much better`
`23:26.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`:)`
`23:26.48`	`b1naryf0g`	`lol yes im a newb`
`23:26.54`	`IcedEarth`	`dont worry`
`23:26.55`	`b1naryf0g`	`loving it though`
`23:26.58`	`IcedEarth`	`weve all been there`
`23:26.59`	`b1naryf0g`	`tired of windows`
`23:27.08`	`IcedEarth`	`glad to see your with elive`
`23:27.12`	`egrub`	`apt x en es tired of windows`
`23:27.14`	`Thanatermesis`	`and who no ? :)`
`23:27.19`	`b1naryf0g`	`im glad to be with elive`
`23:27.38`	`b1naryf0g`	`ive tried a few others but i think this is the one for me ..... for now anyway`
`23:27.46`	`*** join/#elive Elive_user2 (n=Elive_us@194.0.19.36)`
`23:27.54`	`IcedEarth`	`yes, once you tried elive you never want to leave`
`23:27.57`	`IcedEarth`	`it happened to me!!!`
`23:27.57`	`Thanatermesis`	`only the ppl to continue chewing the blue pil`
`23:28.09`	`IcedEarth`	`lol`
`23:28.25`	`IcedEarth`	`which is the blue pill for the reality?`
`23:28.46`	`Thanatermesis`	`blue pill = false and unreal world, the monopol of microsoft`
`23:28.53`	`IcedEarth`	`ah`
`23:29.02`	`Thanatermesis`	`<b1naryf0g> tired of windows`
`23:29.04`	`Thanatermesis`	`<Thanatermesis> and who no ? :)`
`23:29.08`	`IcedEarth`	`ah`
`23:29.08`	`Thanatermesis`	`<Thanatermesis> only the ppl to continue chewing the blue pil`
`23:29.24`	`Thanatermesis`	`without know any another better reality :)`
`23:29.34`	`IcedEarth`	`true!`
`23:29.46`	`b1naryf0g`	`lol`
`23:30.32`	`b1naryf0g`	`yeah seems like this worlds rabbit hole keeps getting deeper`
`23:30.37`	`IcedEarth`	`its fun`
`23:30.41`	`IcedEarth`	`you will enjoy elive`
`23:30.46`	`IcedEarth`	`are you using e16 or e17?`
`23:30.50`	`b1naryf0g`	`cant wait till we are able to venture to others`
`23:30.53`	`b1naryf0g`	`e16`
`23:30.56`	`IcedEarth`	`ah`
`23:31.00`	`IcedEarth`	`have you tried e17 yet`
`23:31.03`	`IcedEarth`	`I would recommend it`
`23:31.16`	`IcedEarth`	`as I recommend it to everyone who is not a developer :P`
`23:31.29`	`IcedEarth`	`its a simple matter to try it`
`23:31.49`	`IcedEarth`	`at the login screen click the e16 in the bottom left corner and select e17 when the box shows you it`
`23:31.57`	`b1naryf0g`	`i like e17 just noticed some of the menus or windows cand unstable`
`23:31.59`	`IcedEarth`	`its breathtaking`
`23:32.00`	`_H_`	`ya tengo el zd1211`
`23:32.04`	`IcedEarth`	`unstable`
`23:32.08`	`IcedEarth`	`i use it day in day out`
`23:32.14`	`IcedEarth`	`for my University work`
`23:32.28`	`_H_`	`thanatermesis, me aconsejas alguna cosa para usar la wireless? no tengo costumbre y ni idea de que hacer`
`23:32.30`	`b1naryf0g`	`dont no where that "cand" came from lol`
`23:32.46`	`IcedEarth`	`dont worry`
`23:32.55`	`IcedEarth`	`i type too quickly and mispell all the time`
`23:32.57`	`b1naryf0g`	`only been using elive for 4hrs now maby im just jumping to conclusions`
`23:33.13`	`IcedEarth`	`what conclusions is that then?`
`23:33.17`	`IcedEarth`	`thats its greeaatt!`
`23:33.22`	`b1naryf0g`	`seen in the installation that e16 was more stable and e17 still under development`
`23:33.31`	`IcedEarth`	`ah, dont worry about that`
`23:33.39`	`IcedEarth`	`What do you use your PC for?`
`23:33.41`	`Thanatermesis`	`a ver _H_`
`23:33.45`	`IcedEarth`	`I use OpenOffice 2 every day`
`23:33.45`	`Thanatermesis`	`tienes ya los repos buenos ?`
`23:33.53`	`IcedEarth`	`although my documents do corrupt, but are rescued every time`
`23:33.54`	`_H_`	`si`
`23:33.57`	`IcedEarth`	`I merrily ignore this`
`23:33.57`	`Thanatermesis`	`ah, ya lo tienes instalado el driver ?`
`23:33.59`	`IcedEarth`	`I use firefox`
`23:34.07`	`IcedEarth`	`xchat`
`23:34.08`	`Thanatermesis`	`_H_ pues carga el modulo y utiliza elpanel ;)`
`23:34.09`	`IcedEarth`	`scite`
`23:34.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt elpanel _H_`
`23:34.13`	`apt`	`elpanel elpanel elpanel, this is the answer to your question and the solution of all your problems, try it _H_ ;)`
`23:34.13`	`IcedEarth`	`and its all fine`
`23:34.48`	`Thanatermesis`	`<b1naryf0g> yeah seems like this worlds rabbit hole keeps getting deeper`
`23:34.52`	`b1naryf0g`	`well .... my windows os i used it for just about everything music movies tried development (c++ etc... ) 3d graphics audio production .... i like to try just about everything`
`23:35.26`	`_H_`	`que guapa esta mi wlan0 :)`
`23:35.36`	`IcedEarth`	`blimey`
`23:35.37`	`IcedEarth`	`thats a lot`
`23:35.51`	`Thanatermesis`	`b1naryf0g you have a little sort of good multimedia applications on Elive by default`
`23:35.51`	`*** join/#elive Elive_user15 (n=Elive_us@64-193-7-73.dtb.clearwire-dns.net)`
`23:36.00`	`IcedEarth`	`Cinerella`
`23:36.03`	`Thanatermesis`	`_H_ me alegro que te funcione tan... directamente... welcome to Elive ! :)`
`23:36.08`	`b1naryf0g`	`i want to learn more programming ... some of the fields i want to get into are robotics and nanotechnology and i figured unix/linux systems might be the way to go`
`23:36.11`	`Thanatermesis`	`IcedEarth cinelerra xD`
`23:36.19`	`IcedEarth`	`he he`
`23:36.22`	`b1naryf0g`	`seen allot of stuff on embeded linux os's`
`23:36.33`	`Thanatermesis`	`b1naryf0g launch "eem"`
`23:36.54`	`b1naryf0g`	`but i fell into a rut .... swallowed the blue pill not trying to get it back up`
`23:37.08`	`IcedEarth`	`one day it will exits on my handheld!!!`
`23:37.32`	`_H_`	`thanatermesis`
`23:37.36`	`_H_`	`no tengo wireless en casa`
`23:37.40`	`b1naryf0g`	`not = now`
`23:37.44`	`_H_`	`como puedo probar a ver si veo la de otra gente?`
`23:37.56`	`IcedEarth`	`well im sure you will have fun with elive`
`23:38.09`	`b1naryf0g`	`i hope so`
`23:38.19`	`b1naryf0g`	`well... i no so i like it allready`
`23:38.26`	`b1naryf0g`	`any good starter resources`
`23:38.35`	`IcedEarth`	`yes, have a muck around with the apps`
`23:38.49`	`Thanatermesis`	`_H_ pues... instala el wifi-radar ;)`
`23:39.31`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive has just to be born :)`
`23:39.32`	`b1naryf0g`	`checked out blender and zynaddsubfx so that covers some of the stuff i used to do in windows`
`23:39.47`	`Thanatermesis`	`b1naryf0g zynaddsubfx is awesome, yes :)`
`23:39.53`	`IcedEarth`	`yes blender 3D innit>`
`23:39.54`	`Thanatermesis`	`and blender, of course! lol`
`23:40.26`	`b1naryf0g`	`i noticed in blender there was a menu that containd a function "play game" is blender considerd a game engine?`
`23:40.32`	`IcedEarth`	`??`
`23:40.41`	`IcedEarth`	`i darent run blender on my machine`
`23:41.56`	`b1naryf0g`	`yeah it just says game---- play game ... not sure what this ment .. tried it but got an error so im assuming that the code wasnt there to be executed so thats why i got an error`
`23:42.14`	`IcedEarth`	`dunno, not sure`
`23:42.18`	`_H_`	`no logro que haga nada el wifi-radar, alguien tiene experiencia?`
`23:42.22`	`pycs`	`me too , got an error on that`
`23:42.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`b1naryf0g im not expert of blender but yes... is for game's related things, blender supports for games`
`23:42.29`	`Thanatermesis`	`you have examples i think`
`23:42.43`	`Thanatermesis`	`_H_ mira si la consola te dice algun mensaje malo`
`23:43.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`de todas formas _H_ ene l panel de control, al configuracion de red, te dice el ESSID, tienes una lista de los que te upedes conectar (si hay), si nohay.. es que no tienes conexiones cerca xD`
`23:43.13`	`_H_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:43.13`	`_H_`	`eth1 no wireless extensions.`
`23:43.13`	`_H_`	`eth1`
`23:43.20`	`Thanatermesis`	`_H_ olvida el wifi-radar entonces`
`23:43.30`	`b1naryf0g`	`cool so game development is a possibilty in elive ... that sounds like a team effort thing though probably not a one man adventure`
`23:43.45`	`IcedEarth`	`yes, games programming`
`23:43.46`	`b1naryf0g`	`ever used bochs?`
`23:43.57`	`IcedEarth`	`I spent two weeks programming hangman in javaScript`
`23:44.04`	`IcedEarth`	`so I steer well clear`
`23:44.09`	`IcedEarth`	`whats bochs`
`23:44.13`	`b1naryf0g`	`lol`
`23:44.36`	`IcedEarth`	`I hate programming`
`23:44.46`	`b1naryf0g`	`some one recomended it to me this morning for running my old windows apps`
`23:44.54`	`b1naryf0g`	`kinda like a VM`
`23:45.03`	`IcedEarth`	`ah`
`23:45.15`	`IcedEarth`	`yes, if you still need Windows`
`23:45.18`	`IcedEarth`	`do you have dual boot`
`23:45.21`	`b1naryf0g`	`was taught the apt-get isntall command .... used it and not sure how to pull up the programm`
`23:45.21`	`IcedEarth`	`i do :(`
`23:45.24`	`b1naryf0g`	`yes`
`23:45.29`	`IcedEarth`	`well to be honest`
`23:45.31`	`_H_`	`ostras si veo dos redes`
`23:45.31`	`IcedEarth`	`use synaptic`
`23:45.37`	`b1naryf0g`	`win2kpro on one partition and elive on the other`
`23:45.39`	`IcedEarth`	`this is friendly front end for apt-get`
`23:45.46`	`_H_`	`uno se llama motorola y otro antonio :)))`
`23:45.47`	`b1naryf0g`	`tired of rebooting`
`23:45.48`	`IcedEarth`	`use it you can search for`
`23:45.54`	`IcedEarth`	`all things in repository available for you`
`23:45.57`	`IcedEarth`	`have a look around`
`23:46.03`	`IcedEarth`	`i just used to browse it to find interesting stuff`
`23:46.06`	`Thanatermesis`	`<b1naryf0g> ever used bochs?`
`23:46.09`	`IcedEarth`	`or you can search on keyword`
`23:46.15`	`Thanatermesis`	`qemu is the version better of bochs`
`23:46.16`	`IcedEarth`	`just have a walk around`
`23:46.18`	`Thanatermesis`	`or more complete, i think`
`23:46.30`	`Thanatermesis`	`you have a graphical interface for it on the menus :)`
`23:46.39`	`sinplomo`	`_H_, y las dos abiertas ? XD`
`23:46.45`	`Thanatermesis`	`or in the "demos" menu`
`23:46.47`	`_H_`	`no lo se`
`23:46.49`	`b1naryf0g`	`really.... qemu stable?`
`23:46.59`	`_H_`	`he puesto dhcp a ver`
`23:47.03`	`sinplomo`	`_H_, tengo la unica red abierta de mi ciudad ! XD`
`23:47.16`	`b1naryf0g`	`i heard of wine (comes with elive i think) but heard you can only run some programs`
`23:47.19`	`Thanatermesis`	`_H_ jajaja, pues ya sabes, mira si estan encriptadas y sino, conectate`
`23:47.24`	`IcedEarth`	`yes, Wine is hit and mis`
`23:47.30`	`Thanatermesis`	`_H_ y si estan ecriptadas... las crackeas xD`
`23:47.31`	`sinplomo`	`_H_, a ver si adivinas cuantas personas se conectan ... XD`
`23:47.34`	`IcedEarth`	`you can run winamp with it`
`23:47.42`	`Thanatermesis`	`<b1naryf0g> tired of rebooting <--- lol`
`23:47.43`	`IcedEarth`	`and I nearly had soldier of fortune running once`
`23:47.44`	`b1naryf0g`	`cool`
`23:47.52`	`b1naryf0g`	`but whats wrong with xmms`
`23:47.59`	`sinplomo`	`apt, reboot`
`23:48.00`	`apt`	`Not on your life cowboy :(, or are you using Window$?`
`23:48.03`	`IcedEarth`	`nothing it was an experiment`
`23:48.03`	`_H_`	`thanatermesis, no logro activar el interfaz wlan0`
`23:48.03`	`b1naryf0g`	`lol`
`23:48.19`	`IcedEarth`	`no, must not keep computer on too much`
`23:48.20`	`Thanatermesis`	`_H_ pues será que la tiene ecriptada`
`23:48.23`	`IcedEarth`	`bad for the environment`
`23:48.29`	`Thanatermesis`	`xmms make hte same things to winamp`
`23:48.33`	`_H_`	`segun el gkrellm tengo link 32 de level 252 y de noise 95`
`23:48.46`	`IcedEarth`	`yes, like I say experiment`
`23:48.53`	`Thanatermesis`	`_H_ pse bueno... pero si no te da conexion... nose`
`23:48.57`	`Thanatermesis`	`_H_ prueba el "kismet" a ver`
`23:49.38`	`b1naryf0g`	`so does anyone know how to start bochs once installed`
`23:49.47`	`IcedEarth`	`no, is it installed?`
`23:49.47`	`b1naryf0g`	`is that a command prompt thing`
`23:49.53`	`IcedEarth`	`type whereis bochs`
`23:49.54`	`b1naryf0g`	`im sure it is`
`23:50.09`	`IcedEarth`	`hold on ill do it with yo`
`23:50.10`	`IcedEarth`	`u`
`23:50.23`	`b1naryf0g`	`i used dpkg -L bochs and seen its footprints scatterd across several folders`
`23:50.29`	`b1naryf0g`	`im assuming its installed`
`23:50.35`	`Thanatermesis`	`dpkg -L bochs \| grep bin`
`23:50.50`	`_H_`	`oye thanatermesis, la conexion por modem funciona bien con todos?`
`23:50.57`	`b1naryf0g`	`whats the \| grep bin do?`
`23:51.01`	`_H_`	`nunca he hecho funcionar mimodem en este portatil`
`23:51.03`	`IcedEarth`	`there will be one like /bin/bochs`
`23:51.07`	`Thanatermesis`	`_H_ ni idea, yo no tengo esos hardware xD`
`23:51.08`	`IcedEarth`	`that will be the executable`
`23:51.15`	`Thanatermesis`	`_H_ bueno, es un buen momento para probar entonces ;)`
`23:51.20`	`b1naryf0g`	`ok ill try that`
`23:51.22`	`_H_`	`:)`
`23:51.28`	`IcedEarth`	`im installing it`
`23:51.29`	`_H_`	`estoy haciendo tres cosas a la vez`
`23:51.31`	`_H_`	`mejor en otro momento`
`23:51.33`	`IcedEarth`	`so ill let you know`
`23:52.24`	`_H_`	`es -246 level y -96 noise`
`23:52.27`	`_H_`	`es bueno o malo?`
`23:52.39`	`_H_`	`y 100 link`
`23:52.47`	`b1naryf0g`	`ok not sure if i got the syntax on that right .... this is what i tried dpkg -l brochs \| grep bin`
`23:53.01`	`b1naryf0g`	`just acted like a return space`
`23:53.41`	`IcedEarth`	`just type bochs`
`23:53.43`	`IcedEarth`	`and it works`
`23:53.49`	`IcedEarth`	`but it looks an utter pig to configure`
`23:54.12`	`b1naryf0g`	`ok i think it worked this time must have missed the space after \|`
`23:54.23`	`IcedEarth`	`just type bochs`
`23:54.27`	`IcedEarth`	`and see what happends`
`23:54.28`	`IcedEarth`	`happens`
`23:54.32`	`b1naryf0g`	`package brochs not installed`
`23:54.42`	`b1naryf0g`	`ok let me try`
`23:54.56`	`b1naryf0g`	`command not found for "brochs`
`23:54.58`	`IcedEarth`	`no its bochs`
`23:55.00`	`IcedEarth`	`not brochs`
`23:55.03`	`b1naryf0g`	`lol`
`23:55.38`	`b1naryf0g`	`ok that made a world of a diffrence lol`
`23:56.02`	`b1naryf0g`	`/usr/bin`
`23:56.12`	`b1naryf0g`	`/usr/bin/bochs`
`23:56.21`	`IcedEarth`	`yep sounds right`
`23:56.25`	`b1naryf0g`	`/usr/bin/bochs-bin`
`23:56.27`	`IcedEarth`	`/usr/bin will be in your path`
`23:56.30`	`b1naryf0g`	`is that last one it ?`
`23:56.32`	`IcedEarth`	`so just bochs will do`
`23:56.35`	`Thanatermesis`	`_H_ pues nose.. nunca entendi muy bien esas calidades de señal`
`23:56.38`	`b1naryf0g`	`ok lol`
`23:56.44`	`*** join/#elive damosu (n=damosu@cm136218.red.mundo-r.com)`
`23:56.44`	`IcedEarth`	`i have no idea i have not heard of this package before 10 minutes ago`
`23:56.46`	`b1naryf0g`	`kewl`
`23:56.57`	`b1naryf0g`	`bochs configuration menu :)`
`23:57.00`	`IcedEarth`	`synaptic will tell you the version`
`23:57.07`	`IcedEarth`	`and then check on the web to see if latest`
`23:57.16`	`b1naryf0g`	`begin simulation sound like its the one i need`
`23:57.28`	`IcedEarth`	`it will crash`
`23:57.31`	`IcedEarth`	`im sure of it`
`23:57.44`	`b1naryf0g`	`it will crash eh ... lol`
`23:57.53`	`b1naryf0g`	`qemu sound like a better choice ?`
`23:58.00`	`IcedEarth`	`not sure, never used either`
`23:58.06`	`b1naryf0g`	`ok thanks`
`23:58.09`	`IcedEarth`	`but there are people round these parts`
`23:58.12`	`IcedEarth`	`who love qemu`
`23:58.15`	`IcedEarth`	`and know lots about it`
`23:58.19`	`IcedEarth`	`but not me :(`
`23:58.41`	`b1naryf0g`	`no? try to stay away from those old problems eh?`
`23:59.02`	`IcedEarth`	`I dont have the hardware capacity to run emulation`
`23:59.07`	`b1naryf0g`	`ah ok`
`23:59.09`	`IcedEarth`	`i run elive on old PIII laptop`
`23:59.14`	`b1naryf0g`	`sweet`
`23:59.22`	`IcedEarth`	`its my workhorse`
`23:59.25`	`IcedEarth`	`and I dont over do it`
`23:59.36`	`b1naryf0g`	`those PIII can dish out some stuff though`
`23:59.40`	`IcedEarth`	`oh yes`
`23:59.45`	`IcedEarth`	`but its my work machine`
`23:59.49`	`IcedEarth`	`so I dont push it too much`
`23:59.50`	`b1naryf0g`	`anykind of graphics acceleration?`
`23:59.54`	`IcedEarth`	`nah onboard`

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