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| 01:41.12 | grim | i hope this is the correct place for this, if not, i appologize in advance... |
| 01:41.58 | grim | anyways, i'm trying to automate a buildroot build by placing config files, but i'm running into issues with the initial buildroot config and it ingoring my kernel config environment variable, any suggestions? |
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| 09:24.14 | Babbo09 | hi, I would have to install Boa web server on a boad atmel at91sam9260 with cpu arm9, someone can help me, tnx |
| 09:37.49 | mnemoc | Hi, I have always used x86 "mini PCs" ... but today I saw this (Spartan 3A evaluation kit, $39 ???) and I wondered what's the trick and what else should I buy to make it usable |
| 09:37.52 | mnemoc | http://www.em.avnet.com/evk/home/0,1719,RID%253D%2526CID%253D46501%2526CCD%253DUSA%2526SID%253D0%2526DID%253DDF2%2526SRT%253D1%2526LID%253D0%2526PRT%253D0%2526PVW%253D%2526PNT%253D%2526BID%253DDF2%2526CTP%253DEVK,00.html |
| 09:38.15 | mnemoc | may you enlighten me? thanks |
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| 10:30.16 | ali_as | mnemoc, what do you want to *do*? |
| 10:36.11 | ali_as | That's an astonishingly good price for an eval kit, but FPGAs are very different to CPUs. |
| 11:14.35 | mnemoc | ali_as: i want to experiment and learn to do "real" embedded |
| 11:15.01 | mnemoc | ali_as: without investing my entire salary on it |
| 11:21.09 | ali_as | An FPGA is probably best described as like being given a small bit of silicon and being told to design anything you like at the logic level. |
| 11:22.18 | ali_as | It is possible to impliment CPUs inside some, but you need RAm attached and this has none. |
| 11:22.47 | ali_as | They are usually the glue that holds together systems, or a peripheral of some sort. |
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| 13:20.10 | elric | no idea ? |
| 13:23.24 | mnemoc | ali_as: sorry for the delay, I was in a meeting. what sort of starter kit would you recommend to experiment and learn about "real" embedded, from linux for linux? |
| 13:25.06 | ali_as | I'm not sure you can do "real" embedded with any starter kit by definition. You may be best picking a purpose for the design and then finding the best hardware, be it a starter kit or whatever to use. |
| 13:26.13 | prpplague | mnemoc: i'm biased, but you might look at the hammer kit or nail kit from from http://www.tincantools.com |
| 13:27.06 | ali_as | If what I've done for hobby projcts can be any guide, then most of it seems to be a process of trial and error by which you find that what looks on paper to be a viable design does not work in practice. |
| 13:27.31 | prpplague | ali_as: indeed |
| 13:28.51 | ali_as | Either because of my own inexperience, or down to manufacturers spec sheets being misleading without being 'wrong' in the legal sense. |
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| 13:33.47 | ali_as | Projects that succeed go through multiple design phases and this has to be budgeted for. One more thought. Talking to the right people for 10mins can easily save a month of hard work. |
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| 13:36.32 | prpplague | ali_as: oh yea |
| 13:36.53 | prpplague | we normally do 5 to 6 revs of a design |
| 13:37.56 | mnemoc | ali_as: by not-really embedded I mean small-factor x86 boxes, with via c3 or geode, which are low-profile but normall PCs anyway |
| 13:38.00 | mnemoc | prpthanks, i'll take a look on those |
| 13:38.25 | ali_as | This is so different to the way you expect when doing an EE degree, you do a design, follow the rules, do a simulation and when it works like you thought you build the hardware. Turns out this is a fairy tale. |
| 13:38.40 | prpplague | 1) prototype , 2) narrow of focus , 3) general fixes , 4) pre-production , 5) production |
| 13:39.21 | prpplague | mnemoc: i'm sure you will find lots of small form factor x86 boxes |
| 13:39.44 | mnemoc | prpplague: I do work with those |
| 13:40.14 | prpplague | mnemoc: small form factor x86? |
| 13:40.44 | ali_as | He wants to move away from x86. |
| 13:41.42 | mnemoc | exactly |
| 13:41.44 | prpplague | ahh |
| 13:41.51 | ali_as | mnemoc, I don't use the tin can tools stuff myself but they look like a good place to do some embedded work, cross compiling, wide tools and importantly people that can help on IRC. |
| 13:42.24 | mnemoc | but I wont be "sponsored" to do so, and by budget (and spare time) is limited |
| 13:43.25 | mnemoc | ali_as, prpplague: thanks, I think i'm buy one of those "nail kits", looks very nice |
| 13:43.34 | prpplague | mnemoc: thanks |
| 13:43.53 | prpplague | mnemoc: you can join #edev for conversation regardin the TCT products |
| 13:44.02 | mnemoc | prpplague: great :) |
| 13:44.32 | prpplague | mnemoc: the nail is fairly new, and works great under linux, but the vista support is somewhat lacking at the momment |
| 13:44.37 | prpplague | mnemoc: we are working on that |
| 13:44.54 | elric | I have made a strace for my issue at the boot time can somebody have a look at : http://nopaste.com/p/aFjjluyZU |
| 13:47.01 | mnemoc | prpplague: i have to wait until my next payment, but I'll buy one, 100% :-) |
| 13:47.40 | prpplague | mnemoc: okie dokie, you can start looking at info on the hammer module at http://www.elinux.org/Hammer_Board |
| 13:47.58 | mnemoc | prpplague: perfect :) |
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