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00:09.44T0mWGPSFan: really do need a microscope to make that one connection!
00:10.05GPSFanindeed.
00:10.13GPSFanand a steady hand.
00:10.49T0mWGPSFan: have had one of those ever since I stopped drinking, hee hee
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13:13.10chouimatmorning
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13:41.16chouimatprpplague: good morning
13:42.01prpplaguechouimat: lo
13:42.16prpplaguechouimat: hey did you happen to test that telenet app under mingw?
13:43.16chouimatprpplague: not yet ... I was way too busy ... now I taking a few days off ...
13:43.46prpplaguechouimat: np
13:44.31chouimatprpplague: the think is I was not doing big contract but a shitload of 1 to 5 hours one ... the kind they needed for last year
13:46.59chouimatprpplague: and now I'm getting ready for a day of beer ...
13:47.48prpplaguehehe
13:47.51prpplaguei wish i was
13:49.01chouimatprpplague: I can and I will ... just after the telephone festival from my family ...
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15:04.19CosmicPenguinMorning has come again
15:04.55fileunfortunately
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15:27.12CosmicPenguinSomedays I would like to put Gentoo into a sack, and throw the sack into the river, and hurl the river into the sun
15:27.24CosmicPenguinHermes Conrad said it
15:27.38Genesisgentoo rox :')
15:28.19CosmicPenguinin less of course you want to do something that is frowned upon by the great gurus who only care if fscking worldcraft runs or not
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15:42.39CosmicPenguinprpplague: yo, buildroot man
15:43.07prpplagueCosmicPenguin: what up?
15:43.22CosmicPenguinprpplague: just so you know, that the trunk glibc mips code has been moved to ports
15:43.34CosmicPenguinthats not a big thing, since you probably already support ports anyway, but thought you might like to know
15:44.13CosmicPenguinyah
15:44.14prpplagueCosmicPenguin: okiedokie
15:44.15CosmicPenguiny
16:00.39prpplaguefile: ping
16:00.55filepong
16:01.16prpplaguefile: "One thing I'm trying to find now is a cheap network/gsm TA so I can
16:01.16prpplaguehave
16:01.16prpplagueGSM  termination and DID's too."
16:01.27prpplaguefile: that make any sense to you?
16:01.30fileyes
16:01.33fileI'll explain in a sec
16:01.45prpplaguefile: ok thansk
16:02.40filetranslation:
16:03.04file"One thing I'm trying to find now is a cheap GSM to VoIP adapter so I can connect the cellular network in, and have telephone numbers too"
16:03.35prpplagueahh
16:03.44prpplaguefile: interesting
16:03.52prpplaguefile: ya'll do any of that?
16:04.21filedo we? no, why would we?
16:04.50prpplaguefile: no idea, just curious
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16:40.14prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hehe these comments on the radio shack stuff are sooooo funny
16:40.22CosmicPenguineh?
16:40.24CosmicPenguinwhat did I miss?
16:41.31prpplaguecoshttp://money.cnn.com/2006/02/20/news/companies/radioshack.reut/index.htm
16:41.38prpplagueCosmicPenguin: http://money.cnn.com/2006/02/20/news/companies/radioshack.reut/index.htm
16:41.55prpplagueCosmicPenguin: ceo never had a degree and their sales were down 62% last quarter
16:42.17prpplagueCosmicPenguin: from the grape vine it sounds like RS is gonna have a rough year
16:42.40prpplagueCosmicPenguin: most of the analysts are guess it won't make it till the end of the year without filling chapter 11
16:42.49CosmicPenguinOh - and there was the whole lying about his education thing
16:42.53CosmicPenguinI read about that this weekend
16:48.35prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i swear radio shack could have been on the next wave of hobbists
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16:53.30prpplagueCosmicPenguin: you see in those articles why you can't get someone ot check you out if you are buying components?
16:54.20CosmicPenguinno
16:54.36CosmicPenguinheh - Radio Shack was on the *first* wave of hobbists
16:54.49CosmicPenguinthese days, the internet has made it much easier just to order from the big boys and call it good
16:55.53prpplagueCosmicPenguin: mainly because the shack doesn't carry what ppl want/need
16:56.27prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hehe each sales person gets a stat report on their sales, the components stuff messes up their commissions so they don't want to put in on their report
16:56.58prpplagueCosmicPenguin: so its like a big deal to see who can make themselves least available to check you out
16:57.08CosmicPenguinAlso, we're much more sophisticated
16:57.12CosmicPenguinwe being the hobbiest community
16:57.33CosmicPenguinhell, we're putting together devices with full 32 bit micro controllers, the whole nine yards
16:57.38CosmicPenguinRadio Shack just can't keep up
16:57.44CosmicPenguinAgain, we means not me
17:02.59prpplaguehehe
17:03.18prpplagueCosmicPenguin: well on average i spend $300 per month on electronic components and such
17:03.32prpplagueCosmicPenguin: and i know i'm not alone
17:14.20CosmicPenguinWell, adios to RS
17:14.22CosmicPenguinits been real
17:15.25prpplagueCosmicPenguin: yea if someone would grab their balls, and make some decisions about the customers, they could make a fortune at radio shack
17:18.17CosmicPenguinI still don't think they can compete
17:18.23CosmicPenguindistributed inventory doesn't work any more
17:18.25CosmicPenguinespecially for those components
17:18.35CosmicPenguindigikey can have stuff at my door by tommorrow
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17:23.41prpplagueCosmicPenguin: yea, but if they choose the right stuff it could
17:24.05prpplagueCosmicPenguin: but it would take someone in management that knew electronics
17:24.15prpplagueCosmicPenguin: and that just isn't gonna happen
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18:42.43prpplagueCosmicPenguin: ping
18:48.20CosmicPenguinpong
18:48.28filepong ping
18:48.45prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hey, whats the average ram requirements for microwindows?
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18:49.04CosmicPenguinwow
18:49.10CosmicPenguinblast from the past
18:49.13prpplaguehehe
18:50.21CosmicPenguinI think that all told, you can get away with about 500k for the server
18:50.26CosmicPenguinmaybe less if you are smart about it
18:50.47prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hmm
18:50.56prpplagueCosmicPenguin: the pixter-mm has 4MB ram
18:51.13prpplagueway too little for a tiny-x
18:51.15CosmicPenguin4MB would be plenty - I ran Microwindows with no problems on the Tux
18:51.47prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i nearly had a cow when i saw that the pixter-mm had a LH79524
18:54.01prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hehe time for openpixil to be reborn?
18:54.13CosmicPenguinheh
18:54.27CosmicPenguingood luck with all of that
18:54.41prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hehe
18:54.53prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i'm more into hacking the pixter
18:56.14prpplagueCosmicPenguin: how come you aren't identified today?
19:06.09prpplaguescared him away
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19:48.44CosmicPenguineverybody loves the server
19:49.03prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hehe
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20:10.05CosmicPenguinargh
20:10.19CosmicPenguinthe penalty for doing something stupid in a simulator is steep
20:30.45CosmicPenguinHaving something not work is bad
20:30.59CosmicPenguinhaving something not work when you were all self satisifed that you thought it worked is worse
20:31.18CosmicPenguinI thought I was all bad ass earlier because I compiled a new version of gdb with Gentoo and added in the kdgb patches
20:31.22CosmicPenguinbut I know realize I was a fool
20:32.04CosmicPenguinnow
20:32.06CosmicPenguinwow - ironic
20:32.32prpplagueanyone know where to get a good 144-pin so-dimm socket adapter board for prototyping
20:32.33prpplague???
20:40.10prpplagueCosmicPenguin: sound a little stressed today
20:45.09CosmicPenguinbout usual
20:51.23CosmicPenguinHeh - I love it though
20:51.32CosmicPenguinthe only way to get things onto the simulator is through zmodem
20:51.36CosmicPenguinit reminds me of the good old days
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20:53.43prpplagueT0mW: boo
20:53.56prpplagueT0mW: funny i just typed in your webpage address
20:54.02T0mWdid it work?
20:54.15prpplagueT0mW: came up with some pr0n
20:54.38prpplagueT0mW: hey, i'm looking for a 144-pin sodimm breakout board
20:54.47prpplagueT0mW: any clue?
20:55.02T0mWprpplague: I was messing things up pretty badly last night.
20:55.08prpplagueT0mW: hehe
20:55.11prpplagueT0mW: jk
20:55.38T0mWprpplague: like an extender card so you can probe the signals on the bus?
20:56.06prpplagueT0mW: yea
20:56.40T0mWnaw, you could prolly build on
20:56.49T0mWsubst/on/one/
20:56.52prpplagueyea, look for ots
20:57.09T0mWI buggered the LCD connector inside the zipit
20:57.18prpplaguedoh
20:57.19prpplaguedoh
20:57.22T0mWand the cover switch
20:57.28prpplagueT0mW: there are lots of warnings about that
20:57.39T0mWso, who reads all the verbage?
20:57.50T0mW<PROTECTED>
20:58.28T0mWanyway, it is a standard 0.5mm 24pin fpc conn. Digikey's got'em and I took the bad one off the board.
20:58.30T0mWprpplague: but
20:58.38T0mWprpplague: that mod is a LOT of work!
20:59.14T0mWthose resistors + caps are about the smallest ones they could find?!
21:00.16prpplaguehehe
21:01.24prpplaguecrap there has got to be a protoboard for sodimm somewhere
21:02.08T0mWspeeds are generally too high for that.  You won't find a perf board for it.
21:04.45prpplaguefound some, but no prices listed
21:05.01prpplaguewhole range of extenders  - http://www.adexelec.com/extenders.htm
21:05.57prpplaguewholly cow
21:05.58prpplaguehttp://www.mycableshop.ca/sku/SODIMMRL-STD.htm
21:07.00T0mWprpplague: http://www.openhardware.net/board.gif
21:08.22prpplagueT0mW: http://www.adapters.com/prod_serv/JTAG_extender_cable.htm
21:08.30prpplagueT0mW: you might find those handy
21:08.53prpplagueT0mW: wow lovely work
21:09.05prpplagueT0mW: usb port?
21:09.13prpplagueT0mW: is it functional?
21:09.25T0mWprpplague: no usb connector for the RS232 + DBG signals
21:09.32prpplagueT0mW: ahh
21:09.44prpplagueT0mW: why didn't you use a mini-usb connector?
21:09.54T0mWprpplague: smallest connector I had that I could put in the side of the case
21:09.58prpplagueT0mW: i assume the other is the sd/mmc adapter
21:10.21prpplagueT0mW: nice looking job
21:24.16Genesisif someone know fbd editor for linux tell it me
21:24.29T0mWfbd?
21:24.47Genesisfunctional block diagramm
21:24.56Genesisfor generating safe code
21:25.39Genesishttp://dev.aimao.org/supervision/analyse/atelier.svg <- i copied the princip
21:27.43T0mWI think I played with one of those many years ago.  That the software that you can design a flowchart with underlying code embedded in the chart?
21:28.22Genesisi think flowchart is different
21:28.51Genesishttp://ktechlab.org/screenshots/0.3/flowcode.png
21:28.55Genesisthat is
21:29.49T0mWI've seen those, yeah. Never paid much attention to them though
21:29.57Genesisdeterministic realtime OS is needed for my project
21:30.26Genesisthat will be fun to make a good solution :)
21:30.39T0mWGenesis: depends upon how real realtime has to be.  I do a lot of realtime stuff and I'm still not satisfied that Linux can do what I need for realtime.
21:30.53Genesisi don't want linux
21:31.03Genesisit's not design to do automaton stuff
21:31.09T0mWI work in the millisecond range for basic stuff
21:31.59T0mWGPSFan: I should have bought my first ZipIt on ebay.  I picked one up last night for $54 (shipping etc)
21:32.01Genesisi don't want dynamic allocation
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