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00:09.44 | T0mW | GPSFan: really do need a microscope to make that one connection! |
00:10.05 | GPSFan | indeed. |
00:10.13 | GPSFan | and a steady hand. |
00:10.49 | T0mW | GPSFan: have had one of those ever since I stopped drinking, hee hee |
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13:13.10 | chouimat | morning |
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13:41.16 | chouimat | prpplague: good morning |
13:42.01 | prpplague | chouimat: lo |
13:42.16 | prpplague | chouimat: hey did you happen to test that telenet app under mingw? |
13:43.16 | chouimat | prpplague: not yet ... I was way too busy ... now I taking a few days off ... |
13:43.46 | prpplague | chouimat: np |
13:44.31 | chouimat | prpplague: the think is I was not doing big contract but a shitload of 1 to 5 hours one ... the kind they needed for last year |
13:46.59 | chouimat | prpplague: and now I'm getting ready for a day of beer ... |
13:47.48 | prpplague | hehe |
13:47.51 | prpplague | i wish i was |
13:49.01 | chouimat | prpplague: I can and I will ... just after the telephone festival from my family ... |
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15:04.19 | CosmicPenguin | Morning has come again |
15:04.55 | file | unfortunately |
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15:27.12 | CosmicPenguin | Somedays I would like to put Gentoo into a sack, and throw the sack into the river, and hurl the river into the sun |
15:27.24 | CosmicPenguin | Hermes Conrad said it |
15:27.38 | Genesis | gentoo rox :') |
15:28.19 | CosmicPenguin | in less of course you want to do something that is frowned upon by the great gurus who only care if fscking worldcraft runs or not |
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15:42.39 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yo, buildroot man |
15:43.07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: what up? |
15:43.22 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: just so you know, that the trunk glibc mips code has been moved to ports |
15:43.34 | CosmicPenguin | thats not a big thing, since you probably already support ports anyway, but thought you might like to know |
15:44.13 | CosmicPenguin | yah |
15:44.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: okiedokie |
15:44.15 | CosmicPenguin | y |
16:00.39 | prpplague | file: ping |
16:00.55 | file | pong |
16:01.16 | prpplague | file: "One thing I'm trying to find now is a cheap network/gsm TA so I can |
16:01.16 | prpplague | have |
16:01.16 | prpplague | GSM termination and DID's too." |
16:01.27 | prpplague | file: that make any sense to you? |
16:01.30 | file | yes |
16:01.33 | file | I'll explain in a sec |
16:01.45 | prpplague | file: ok thansk |
16:02.40 | file | translation: |
16:03.04 | file | "One thing I'm trying to find now is a cheap GSM to VoIP adapter so I can connect the cellular network in, and have telephone numbers too" |
16:03.35 | prpplague | ahh |
16:03.44 | prpplague | file: interesting |
16:03.52 | prpplague | file: ya'll do any of that? |
16:04.21 | file | do we? no, why would we? |
16:04.50 | prpplague | file: no idea, just curious |
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16:40.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe these comments on the radio shack stuff are sooooo funny |
16:40.22 | CosmicPenguin | eh? |
16:40.24 | CosmicPenguin | what did I miss? |
16:41.31 | prpplague | coshttp://money.cnn.com/2006/02/20/news/companies/radioshack.reut/index.htm |
16:41.38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: http://money.cnn.com/2006/02/20/news/companies/radioshack.reut/index.htm |
16:41.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ceo never had a degree and their sales were down 62% last quarter |
16:42.17 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: from the grape vine it sounds like RS is gonna have a rough year |
16:42.40 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: most of the analysts are guess it won't make it till the end of the year without filling chapter 11 |
16:42.49 | CosmicPenguin | Oh - and there was the whole lying about his education thing |
16:42.53 | CosmicPenguin | I read about that this weekend |
16:48.35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i swear radio shack could have been on the next wave of hobbists |
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16:53.30 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you see in those articles why you can't get someone ot check you out if you are buying components? |
16:54.20 | CosmicPenguin | no |
16:54.36 | CosmicPenguin | heh - Radio Shack was on the *first* wave of hobbists |
16:54.49 | CosmicPenguin | these days, the internet has made it much easier just to order from the big boys and call it good |
16:55.53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: mainly because the shack doesn't carry what ppl want/need |
16:56.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe each sales person gets a stat report on their sales, the components stuff messes up their commissions so they don't want to put in on their report |
16:56.58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: so its like a big deal to see who can make themselves least available to check you out |
16:57.08 | CosmicPenguin | Also, we're much more sophisticated |
16:57.12 | CosmicPenguin | we being the hobbiest community |
16:57.33 | CosmicPenguin | hell, we're putting together devices with full 32 bit micro controllers, the whole nine yards |
16:57.38 | CosmicPenguin | Radio Shack just can't keep up |
16:57.44 | CosmicPenguin | Again, we means not me |
17:02.59 | prpplague | hehe |
17:03.18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: well on average i spend $300 per month on electronic components and such |
17:03.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: and i know i'm not alone |
17:14.20 | CosmicPenguin | Well, adios to RS |
17:14.22 | CosmicPenguin | its been real |
17:15.25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea if someone would grab their balls, and make some decisions about the customers, they could make a fortune at radio shack |
17:18.17 | CosmicPenguin | I still don't think they can compete |
17:18.23 | CosmicPenguin | distributed inventory doesn't work any more |
17:18.25 | CosmicPenguin | especially for those components |
17:18.35 | CosmicPenguin | digikey can have stuff at my door by tommorrow |
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17:23.41 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, but if they choose the right stuff it could |
17:24.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: but it would take someone in management that knew electronics |
17:24.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: and that just isn't gonna happen |
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18:42.43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ping |
18:48.20 | CosmicPenguin | pong |
18:48.28 | file | pong ping |
18:48.45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hey, whats the average ram requirements for microwindows? |
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18:49.04 | CosmicPenguin | wow |
18:49.10 | CosmicPenguin | blast from the past |
18:49.13 | prpplague | hehe |
18:50.21 | CosmicPenguin | I think that all told, you can get away with about 500k for the server |
18:50.26 | CosmicPenguin | maybe less if you are smart about it |
18:50.47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm |
18:50.56 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the pixter-mm has 4MB ram |
18:51.13 | prpplague | way too little for a tiny-x |
18:51.15 | CosmicPenguin | 4MB would be plenty - I ran Microwindows with no problems on the Tux |
18:51.47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i nearly had a cow when i saw that the pixter-mm had a LH79524 |
18:54.01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe time for openpixil to be reborn? |
18:54.13 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
18:54.27 | CosmicPenguin | good luck with all of that |
18:54.41 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
18:54.53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm more into hacking the pixter |
18:56.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: how come you aren't identified today? |
19:06.09 | prpplague | scared him away |
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19:48.44 | CosmicPenguin | everybody loves the server |
19:49.03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
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20:10.05 | CosmicPenguin | argh |
20:10.19 | CosmicPenguin | the penalty for doing something stupid in a simulator is steep |
20:30.45 | CosmicPenguin | Having something not work is bad |
20:30.59 | CosmicPenguin | having something not work when you were all self satisifed that you thought it worked is worse |
20:31.18 | CosmicPenguin | I thought I was all bad ass earlier because I compiled a new version of gdb with Gentoo and added in the kdgb patches |
20:31.22 | CosmicPenguin | but I know realize I was a fool |
20:32.04 | CosmicPenguin | now |
20:32.06 | CosmicPenguin | wow - ironic |
20:32.32 | prpplague | anyone know where to get a good 144-pin so-dimm socket adapter board for prototyping |
20:32.33 | prpplague | ??? |
20:40.10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: sound a little stressed today |
20:45.09 | CosmicPenguin | bout usual |
20:51.23 | CosmicPenguin | Heh - I love it though |
20:51.32 | CosmicPenguin | the only way to get things onto the simulator is through zmodem |
20:51.36 | CosmicPenguin | it reminds me of the good old days |
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20:53.43 | prpplague | T0mW: boo |
20:53.56 | prpplague | T0mW: funny i just typed in your webpage address |
20:54.02 | T0mW | did it work? |
20:54.15 | prpplague | T0mW: came up with some pr0n |
20:54.38 | prpplague | T0mW: hey, i'm looking for a 144-pin sodimm breakout board |
20:54.47 | prpplague | T0mW: any clue? |
20:55.02 | T0mW | prpplague: I was messing things up pretty badly last night. |
20:55.08 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe |
20:55.11 | prpplague | T0mW: jk |
20:55.38 | T0mW | prpplague: like an extender card so you can probe the signals on the bus? |
20:56.06 | prpplague | T0mW: yea |
20:56.40 | T0mW | naw, you could prolly build on |
20:56.49 | T0mW | subst/on/one/ |
20:56.52 | prpplague | yea, look for ots |
20:57.09 | T0mW | I buggered the LCD connector inside the zipit |
20:57.18 | prpplague | doh |
20:57.19 | prpplague | doh |
20:57.22 | T0mW | and the cover switch |
20:57.28 | prpplague | T0mW: there are lots of warnings about that |
20:57.39 | T0mW | so, who reads all the verbage? |
20:57.50 | T0mW | <PROTECTED> |
20:58.28 | T0mW | anyway, it is a standard 0.5mm 24pin fpc conn. Digikey's got'em and I took the bad one off the board. |
20:58.30 | T0mW | prpplague: but |
20:58.38 | T0mW | prpplague: that mod is a LOT of work! |
20:59.14 | T0mW | those resistors + caps are about the smallest ones they could find?! |
21:00.16 | prpplague | hehe |
21:01.24 | prpplague | crap there has got to be a protoboard for sodimm somewhere |
21:02.08 | T0mW | speeds are generally too high for that. You won't find a perf board for it. |
21:04.45 | prpplague | found some, but no prices listed |
21:05.01 | prpplague | whole range of extenders - http://www.adexelec.com/extenders.htm |
21:05.57 | prpplague | wholly cow |
21:05.58 | prpplague | http://www.mycableshop.ca/sku/SODIMMRL-STD.htm |
21:07.00 | T0mW | prpplague: http://www.openhardware.net/board.gif |
21:08.22 | prpplague | T0mW: http://www.adapters.com/prod_serv/JTAG_extender_cable.htm |
21:08.30 | prpplague | T0mW: you might find those handy |
21:08.53 | prpplague | T0mW: wow lovely work |
21:09.05 | prpplague | T0mW: usb port? |
21:09.13 | prpplague | T0mW: is it functional? |
21:09.25 | T0mW | prpplague: no usb connector for the RS232 + DBG signals |
21:09.32 | prpplague | T0mW: ahh |
21:09.44 | prpplague | T0mW: why didn't you use a mini-usb connector? |
21:09.54 | T0mW | prpplague: smallest connector I had that I could put in the side of the case |
21:09.58 | prpplague | T0mW: i assume the other is the sd/mmc adapter |
21:10.21 | prpplague | T0mW: nice looking job |
21:24.16 | Genesis | if someone know fbd editor for linux tell it me |
21:24.29 | T0mW | fbd? |
21:24.47 | Genesis | functional block diagramm |
21:24.56 | Genesis | for generating safe code |
21:25.39 | Genesis | http://dev.aimao.org/supervision/analyse/atelier.svg <- i copied the princip |
21:27.43 | T0mW | I think I played with one of those many years ago. That the software that you can design a flowchart with underlying code embedded in the chart? |
21:28.22 | Genesis | i think flowchart is different |
21:28.51 | Genesis | http://ktechlab.org/screenshots/0.3/flowcode.png |
21:28.55 | Genesis | that is |
21:29.49 | T0mW | I've seen those, yeah. Never paid much attention to them though |
21:29.57 | Genesis | deterministic realtime OS is needed for my project |
21:30.26 | Genesis | that will be fun to make a good solution :) |
21:30.39 | T0mW | Genesis: depends upon how real realtime has to be. I do a lot of realtime stuff and I'm still not satisfied that Linux can do what I need for realtime. |
21:30.53 | Genesis | i don't want linux |
21:31.03 | Genesis | it's not design to do automaton stuff |
21:31.09 | T0mW | I work in the millisecond range for basic stuff |
21:31.59 | T0mW | GPSFan: I should have bought my first ZipIt on ebay. I picked one up last night for $54 (shipping etc) |
21:32.01 | Genesis | i don't want dynamic allocation |
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