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| 04:10.46 | Russ | hahahahaha |
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| 04:11.44 | Russ | I don't know, some Jennifer Ashby from australia.edu sending a mail to arm-kernel |
| 04:13.09 | kergoth | oh my. |
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| 07:51.40 | Russ|iPAQ | yo |
| 07:52.16 | Russ|iPAQ | did I mention how much gpe-bluetooth rules? |
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| 08:02.16 | cdm | using LAN profile? |
| 08:02.32 | Russ | my router is a NAP |
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| 15:43.47 | prpplague | andersee: ho ho ho |
| 15:50.06 | prpplague | andersee: hehe we are down below 50 cases |
| 15:50.25 | andersee | prpplague: morning |
| 15:50.53 | andersee | <singing> "50 cases of bugs on the wall, 50 cases of bugs..." |
| 15:51.03 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:51.05 | prpplague | andersee: http://bugs.uclibc.org/view.php?id=643 |
| 15:51.13 | prpplague | andersee: what should i do with that one? |
| 15:52.01 | andersee | prpplague: you should ask me about it of course |
| 15:52.03 | andersee | ;-) |
| 15:52.07 | prpplague | andersee: hehe |
| 15:52.29 | prpplague | andersee: my first thought was to simply close it as it really isn't a buildroot issue |
| 15:52.40 | andersee | prpplague: probably best to reassign to uclibc |
| 15:54.17 | prpplague | andersee: i don't think you can change the catagory, he'd have to open another case iirc |
| 15:54.18 | andersee | not 100% sure, but I think ^C works as it should in uClibc' getpass() -- perhaps the submitter was on a serial console or some such impairing ^C |
| 15:54.31 | prpplague | andersee: i was thinking the same |
| 15:54.53 | prpplague | andersee: nm, found the move option |
| 15:56.43 | prpplague | andersee: one more if you don't mind - http://bugs.uclibc.org/view.php?id=334 |
| 15:56.47 | T0mW | andersee: yeah, you say "show me the love" and they show you the bugs |
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| 15:59.08 | prpplague | T0mW: i think i've developer a fetish for doing bootloader dev |
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| 16:00.01 | andersee | prpplague: hmm, looks as if that might be a gcc patch -- but apparently 'Vincent' was too lazy to package it up that way for us |
| 16:00.02 | prpplague | T0mW: btw did you ever tell me where you picked up some webpals? |
| 16:00.53 | andersee | prpplague: if 'Vincent' wants to package up somthing for us as a proper buildroot patch, perhaps. In its current suggestiong form, forget it |
| 16:01.07 | prpplague | andersee: i agree |
| 16:01.21 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah, I've got 20 of them now |
| 16:01.33 | T0mW | prpplague: I didn't need 20, but... |
| 16:01.39 | prpplague | T0mW: were did you buy them from? |
| 16:01.45 | chouimat | hi prpplague |
| 16:01.51 | T0mW | prpplague: I didn't, they gave them to me |
| 16:02.15 | T0mW | prpplague: they all have 33.6 modems, but no keyboards. |
| 16:02.52 | prpplague | T0mW: gave? |
| 16:02.52 | T0mW | prpplague: I've figured out how to modify them to keep the modems and add a compact flash card + ethernet |
| 16:02.55 | prpplague | chouimat: hey |
| 16:03.07 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, i remember you worked on that |
| 16:03.12 | chouimat | nice |
| 16:03.56 | T0mW | prpplague: I still need to design a switching power supply to replace the series supply regulator. then it should be ok to use the new card. |
| 16:03.57 | prpplague | T0mW: i'd kinda like to get apex running on one |
| 16:04.06 | T0mW | heh |
| 16:05.18 | T0mW | prpplague: I got blob running on one, it does take a single jumper wire mod to the flash simm to install the initial blob though |
| 16:06.12 | T0mW | prpplague: I've been toying with the idea of making the new card have two ethernets on it instead of one |
| 16:07.12 | T0mW | problem is that the webpal interrupts are pretty well used up. hard to find a second available IRQ line inside that unit without doing some major surgery |
| 16:12.37 | MonMotha | T0mW: you noticed? :) |
| 16:12.50 | MonMotha | heck, the ISA IRQ line is an edge sensitive one I recall anyawy |
| 16:13.09 | file | hardy har har |
| 16:13.45 | T0mW | MonMotha: there are edge and level sensitive interrupts on that chip |
| 16:14.31 | T0mW | MonMotha: I added a spare interrupt line, I took a jumper from one of the available and I think I put it on INT5 |
| 16:14.52 | T0mW | that went to the CS8900 chip |
| 16:15.24 | T0mW | MonMotha: I'm thinking of maybe sharing that interrupt (INT5) with both ethernet chips? |
| 16:17.27 | MonMotha | T0mW: that should be doable. If you had to, you could stick a little register on the ISA space somewhere that would let you read the actual interrupt info |
| 16:17.35 | MonMotha | basically, poor man's IRQ controller |
| 16:17.50 | MonMotha | I just seem to recall that they put an edge interrupt on ISA, when it should have been level |
| 16:18.30 | MonMotha | T0mW: with only two ethernet chips, I presume they have their own IRQ status registers (or pick one that does..). Should be feasible to just ask both of them what's up when you get an interrupt |
| 16:19.19 | MonMotha | just have to watch out for a possible race condition between the time when you finish with the first one and before you reenable the interrupt |
| 16:20.55 | T0mW | MonMotha: yeah, and if you use a level activated interrupt, you won't need to do arbitration. Possibly just set a toggle variable to say "we checked eth0 last time so check eth1 this go around". |
| 16:21.50 | T0mW | let the hardware request force you back into the ISR to service another pending request on the other ethernet |
| 16:23.08 | T0mW | that all depends on how the hardware request functions. Some interrupt controllers need you to clear (idle) the interrupt line, then ack the controller. |
| 16:23.42 | MonMotha | T0mW: yeah, I don't remember how the PS-7500's works |
| 16:25.22 | T0mW | that could be done inside the PLD, pass the IRQ from both ethernets through the PLD and before you end the ISR, touch an I/O address which negates the IRQ output of the PLD. that may satisfy the need to "release" the hardware wire to allow it to fire the int controller a second time |
| 16:25.52 | T0mW | s/negates/forces to inactive/ |
| 16:26.11 | T0mW | ~botsnak |
| 16:26.22 | T0mW | ~botsnack |
| 16:26.22 | ibot | :), T0mW |
| 16:27.22 | prpplague | andersee: one additional thing, i'd like rework the target/device directory |
| 16:27.24 | T0mW | prpplague: it looks like I'll be doing another 1 or 2 ARM (maybe ARM9) design for the customer of the LPC2000 design |
| 16:27.37 | prpplague | andersee: where subdirs are cpuvendor/cpuname/boardname |
| 16:27.46 | prpplague | T0mW: cool |
| 16:27.52 | prpplague | andersee: thoughts? |
| 16:28.43 | andersee | prpplague: no worries |
| 16:28.45 | prpplague | chouimat: arm board? mips board? surf board? |
| 16:29.13 | chouimat | prpplague: business plan and gov related paperwork |
| 16:29.14 | prpplague | andersee: it would mean reworking the structure for all the boards that are already in the buildroot svn |
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| 16:30.35 | andersee | prpplague: fortunately there are currently not too many |
| 16:30.52 | prpplague | andersee: so i have your ok? |
| 16:30.55 | andersee | prpplague: and 'svn mv' makes such things much easier |
| 16:31.12 | andersee | mkdir bar |
| 16:31.17 | andersee | svn add bar |
| 16:31.24 | andersee | svn mv foo bar |
| 16:31.27 | andersee | svn commit foo bar |
| 16:31.31 | CosmicPenguin | and later, svn drink bar |
| 16:31.36 | T0mW | lol |
| 16:31.37 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:31.55 | T0mW | great minds think alike |
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| 16:32.15 | andersee | ahh -- peanut m&ms will do |
| 16:32.29 | MonMotha | ah, so svn finally solved the stupid issue of moving things inside a repository that CVS has? |
| 16:32.36 | prpplague | i was wondering, i did a svn add on a dir, but didn't commit it, then changed my mind, i couldn't figure out out to undo the add |
| 16:32.52 | andersee | there is no doubt a good way to fix it |
| 16:32.54 | MonMotha | hum...lunch time |
| 16:33.44 | andersee | or nukes the dir and checks it out again |
| 16:34.23 | prpplague | andersee: hehe yea thats what i did |
| 16:34.37 | Crofton | or svn mkdir I think |
| 16:45.15 | CosmicPenguin | ~lart sourceforge |
| 16:51.17 | prpplague | andersee: oh one more thing, i've been making sure that any patches included in the buildroot don't include any patches that are compressed |
| 16:51.21 | prpplague | andersee: i assume thats ok |
| 16:53.45 | file | anybody know anyone at Global Crossing? |
| 16:59.48 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe you should do a design for the juicebox UMD cart |
| 17:00.01 | prpplague | T0mW: i've gotten 100+ emails for them |
| 17:00.16 | T0mW | I have no way to test something like that |
| 17:00.20 | andersee | prpplague: I only check in compressed patches in cases where the patch is freaking huge |
| 17:00.36 | T0mW | I have looked for juiceboxes, just out of curiousity, but none are to be had |
| 17:01.05 | prpplague | andersee: gotcha |
| 17:01.27 | prpplague | T0mW: ppl are reporting in florida that they are linning the shelves with them |
| 17:01.34 | andersee | prpplague: i.e. patch-2.6.14.5.bz2 might be a reasonable cases for using compression, esp as it will tend to be invariant |
| 17:01.35 | T0mW | heh |
| 17:01.56 | prpplague | andersee: roger |
| 17:02.59 | prpplague | T0mW: Item number: 5859481281 ebay |
| 17:03.28 | prpplague | T0mW: oh btw, allelectronics has the handheld oscopes again for ~ $165 |
| 17:06.35 | prpplague | T0mW: http://www.allelectronics.com/cgi-bin/item/HPS-10/760/PORTABLE_OSCILLOSCOPE_.html |
| 17:06.46 | prpplague | T0mW: i'm dying to try one, but i've been broke lately |
| 17:07.05 | T0mW | prpplague: hmmm, that is coming out of Missouri, that's not sorphin cornering the market on JuiceBoxes, is it? |
| 17:07.28 | CosmicPenguin | Good for him if it is |
| 17:07.28 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:07.33 | prpplague | i doubt it |
| 17:08.01 | prpplague | he basically stopped coming on freenode altogether |
| 17:09.05 | prpplague | ~seen sjhill |
| 17:09.10 | ibot | sjhill <n=sjhill@eth13.com-link.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #elinux, 9d 23h 24m 36s ago, saying: 'no big deal'. |
| 17:12.56 | prpplague | T0mW: you ever buy anything from electronics gold-mine? |
| 17:13.11 | T0mW | no |
| 17:13.37 | T0mW | prpplague: you show a smartmedia card, didn't you do anything with an SD card for the juicebox? |
| 17:13.42 | prpplague | T0mW: i was thinking about grabbing some of their gold packs - http://www.goldmine-elec-products.com/products.asp?dept=1053 |
| 17:14.09 | prpplague | T0mW: http://www.elinux.org/wiki/JuiceboxUMDCart |
| 17:14.50 | T0mW | prpplague: I looked at that, but all that shows me is an ugly hacked smartmedia device? |
| 17:14.54 | T0mW | heh |
| 17:15.06 | prpplague | T0mW: ugh are yo sure? |
| 17:15.27 | prpplague | T0mW: no smartmedia there, just xD |
| 17:17.47 | T0mW | This page does not exist yet. You can create a new empty page |
| 17:18.25 | T0mW | this is what i'm looking at: http://www.elinux.org/wiki/JuiceBoxUMDCart?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=mmc-mod2.jpg |
| 17:20.01 | prpplague | T0mW: http://www.elinux.org/wiki/JuiceBoxUMDCart |
| 17:20.09 | prpplague | sorry needs a capital B |
| 17:20.24 | T0mW | what's an "xD" card? that has more pins on it than an "SD/MMC" card? |
| 17:20.45 | prpplague | T0mW: xD card is basically identical to a smartmedia card, just smaller |
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| 17:20.55 | T0mW | oh |
| 17:21.05 | prpplague | T0mW: both the xD and smartmedia are nothing more than a nand flash chip in a removable formate |
| 17:21.17 | prpplague | T0mW: then make excellent items for prototyping |
| 17:22.15 | T0mW | connector pattern is different, ok. I have a camera which uses a smartmedia. so, when your page mentions smartmedia and SD/MMC cards, I didn't find anything familiar, just that other card image. I was confused |
| 17:22.18 | prpplague | T0mW: basically all you would need is a small pcb with the card edge, a sd/mmc connector, and a nand flash |
| 17:23.10 | T0mW | yeah, you're talking about the xD card to boot from, then the SD card to use as a removable media thingy |
| 17:23.23 | prpplague | T0mW: yep |
| 17:23.25 | prpplague | T0mW: thats it |
| 17:26.10 | prpplague | T0mW: i wanted to design a motherboard that you could plug the juicebox main board into and have a full dev system |
| 17:26.18 | prpplague | T0mW: never got around to it with all the lnode80 dev |
| 17:30.05 | T0mW | prpplague: here's the deal though, while it can be done, it is a matter of the initial PCB cost. the base cost for doing something like 100 boards would be $400..$600, just for the PCBs. electronics cost maybe about $14, that means that you would have to sell all 100 units @ $22 per just to break even on material costs |
| 17:30.33 | T0mW | now, if you figure only 1/3 of the people interested will actually purchase it.... |
| 17:31.35 | T0mW | prpplague: it takes some risk capital |
| 17:32.18 | prpplague | T0mW: electronics? |
| 17:32.23 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: this website might help: http://www.fundable.org/ |
| 17:32.39 | CosmicPenguin | You could encourage everybody who is interested to pony up the cash, and when you have enough you can do the build |
| 17:32.56 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, naw, i was mainly teasing T0mW |
| 17:32.59 | CosmicPenguin | You set a limit, and if not enough people sign up, everybody gets their money back |
| 17:33.27 | prpplague | T0mW: shouldn't be anythong on the board other than a couple resistors, the sd/mmc socket and the flash |
| 17:33.39 | prpplague | T0mW: you could actually just use a xD socket |
| 17:33.52 | prpplague | T0mW: leave it up to them to purchase the xD card |
| 17:38.02 | T0mW | prpplague: well, you can delay purchasing the electronics, say keep 8 completed boards on hand, then three / second day order more parts from digikey. that's not the issue. |
| 17:38.16 | prpplague | http://www.linuxdevices.com/cgi-bin/board/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=general&Post=419&Idle=0&Sort=0&Order=Descend&Page=0&Session= |
| 17:38.24 | prpplague | sounds like a bitter ex-employee |
| 17:38.41 | T0mW | prpplague: it can be done, I'm just not hot on the idea of investing $500 on blank circuit boards right now. |
| 17:39.03 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe, yea i can understand, i was mainly teasing you |
| 17:40.34 | prpplague | T0mW: i'm gonna be totally broke for the next 3 or 4 months while i get things organized for moving back to the states |
| 17:41.54 | Crofton | moving back where? |
| 17:42.07 | prpplague | Crofton: dfw area |
| 17:42.10 | Crofton | heh |
| 17:42.22 | Crofton | I guess the visa issues are sorted out |
| 17:42.31 | prpplague | Crofton: yea looks that way |
| 17:42.35 | Crofton | cool |
| 17:42.47 | prpplague | Crofton: we have one more appointment to go to, but its suppose to be just a formality |
| 17:42.49 | Crofton | My naturalization interview is next wednesday |
| 17:42.56 | Crofton | I am practicing |
| 17:42.56 | prpplague | Crofton: coooool |
| 17:43.17 | Crofton | If the president is incapacitated, who is in charge? |
| 17:43.20 | Crofton | Al Haig! |
| 17:43.38 | CosmicPenguin | Same person whos in charge anyway |
| 17:43.52 | prpplague | Crofton: depends on the president, hehe, if it was clinton......... |
| 17:44.00 | prpplague | Crofton: bill would be in charge, hehe |
| 17:44.34 | Crofton | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Haig |
| 17:44.38 | T0mW | prpplague: whot!? You coming back _here_ to live? |
| 17:44.48 | Crofton | see the section on reagan years |
| 17:45.00 | prpplague | T0mW: yep, donna's visa looks to be coming through finally after almost 2 years |
| 17:45.09 | prpplague | Crofton: that was a joke |
| 17:45.13 | Crofton | heh |
| 17:45.33 | Crofton | We watched reagan die and come back to like in the dorms when I was an undergrad |
| 17:46.23 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I don't even know how you can read those linuxdevices message boards |
| 17:46.36 | CosmicPenguin | Your IQ must suffer every time you reaload the page |
| 17:47.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i like slumming |
| 17:47.57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: kinda like how seeming smart ppl read the enquirer, i sometimes read linuxdevices.com's forum |
| 17:47.58 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:50.20 | prpplague | T0mW: yea its gonna way stressful getting moved back |
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| 17:51.17 | prpplague | T0mW: i've already talked to a couple of ppl about renting a house when i get back, and they are like "uh you can't give me a US address where you've been for the last year?" "uh no" "hmm well i can't rent to you" |
| 17:53.03 | prpplague | T0mW: then on top of that i found out that i'm gonna have to get someone to co-sign with me to get electric service, or i have to pay a giant deposit since i |
| 17:53.19 | prpplague | T0mW: i've not had service there in the dfw area for over a year |
| 17:54.08 | prpplague | jeeze makes my week seem not so bad - http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/01/26/bus.crash/index.html |
| 17:57.07 | CosmicPenguin | Man, I remember when I used to write code |
| 17:57.10 | CosmicPenguin | those were good days |
| 17:57.51 | CosmicPenguin | screw it - I'm spending the rest of the day writing tools |
| 17:57.54 | CosmicPenguin | don't tell anybody |
| 17:59.26 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 17:59.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i hide out this week some and closed alot of those buildroot cases |
| 18:06.43 | T0mW | prpplague: goto work for AMD, they should be able to "relocate" you? |
| 18:07.54 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe |
| 18:08.01 | prpplague | T0mW: my loyalty is to AML |
| 18:08.17 | prpplague | T0mW: they've stuck by me during this adventure |
| 18:08.26 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah, but I can make you famous |
| 18:08.35 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:08.39 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: oh, hows that? |
| 18:09.11 | CosmicPenguin | You would be one of the top open source developers at the greatest processor company in the world |
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| 18:11.26 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 18:11.57 | prpplague | is anyone else disappointed in the gplv3 draft? |
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| 18:12.12 | prpplague | TimRiker: timmmmmmmyyyyy |
| 18:12.28 | prpplague | TimRiker: hows things in the bee hive state? |
| 18:13.02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: not sure i could go back to dev'n for x86 |
| 18:13.15 | CosmicPenguin | Its all C, baby |
| 18:13.28 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: if amd was still doing mips stuff.... |
| 18:13.41 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: but you know me, i'm into the hardware side of things |
| 18:13.42 | CosmicPenguin | You are quite disallusioned as to what we do here |
| 18:13.51 | ade|desk | prpplague: and become another sjhill ... never!!!!! |
| 18:14.03 | CosmicPenguin | We never deal with the processor |
| 18:14.08 | CosmicPenguin | like I'm sure you hardly deal with the ARM core |
| 18:14.09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, i sure i am, as i've always worked for smaller companies |
| 18:14.21 | CosmicPenguin | Its all about the stuff hanging off the bus |
| 18:14.37 | ade|desk | CosmicPenguin: do they let you out at weekends ? |
| 18:14.57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, just seems with other non x86 stuff, hanging stuff from the bus is more fun, hehe |
| 18:15.18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i don't like having to deal with a bios |
| 18:15.42 | CosmicPenguin | But you deal with bootloaders |
| 18:15.44 | CosmicPenguin | they're the same thing |
| 18:16.00 | CosmicPenguin | really - the BIOS doesn't often bother us, especially in our configuration |
| 18:16.07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea but i get to work with the code of the bootloader, i would not expect to get to change code for a bios |
| 18:16.21 | CosmicPenguin | If you wanted to, you could |
| 18:16.45 | prpplague | hmm |
| 18:16.58 | prpplague | i guess that one be an advantage of working with amd , hehe |
| 18:16.58 | CosmicPenguin | Hell, you can even write us a loader if you really wanted to |
| 18:17.08 | CosmicPenguin | Heaven knows I want one |
| 18:17.13 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:17.38 | ade|desk | night all |
| 18:19.28 | prpplague | i can't seem to focus today |
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| 18:32.53 | CosmicPenguin | ~quote amd |
| 18:33.12 | CosmicPenguin | Yay! |
| 18:35.18 | CosmicPenguin | http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=AMD&t=6m&l=on&z=m&q=l&c= |
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| 19:29.10 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: job security, eh? As long as the stock keeps going up you get to keep working there. |
| 19:42.08 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 19:55.44 | CosmicPenguin | You know, I read thedailywtf, and I realize just how lucky I am |
| 19:55.52 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:55.54 | CosmicPenguin | I get to write real C code that does real things |
| 19:56.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm just waiting the day when i go to read thedailywtf, and see someone has posted some of my code |
| 19:56.50 | CosmicPenguin | Not a chance |
| 19:56.59 | CosmicPenguin | Its amazing how pure and simple our stuff really is |
| 19:57.44 | CosmicPenguin | All these stupid languages, and protocols and databases and stuff |
| 19:57.46 | CosmicPenguin | thats not programming |
| 19:57.51 | CosmicPenguin | *this* is programming |
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| 20:07.29 | CosmicPenguin | I don't get it |
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| 20:12.22 | CosmicPenguin | That was fun |
| 20:12.27 | CosmicPenguin | lets do it again! |
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| 20:12.52 | prpplague | hehehe |
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| 20:16.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: wanna do it again? |
| 20:17.04 | CosmicPenguin | No, thats enough |
| 20:17.11 | CosmicPenguin | Thanks though |
| 20:17.35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ok you're welcome |
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| 20:37.25 | CosmicPenguin | yay for google - sticking it to the man |
| 20:49.12 | Crofton | google is bending over for Mao though |
| 20:50.53 | MonMotha | in other words, google is involved in a giant circle jerk? |
| 20:51.14 | MonMotha | or something of that nature... |
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