00:27.39 | vittorio | i have a very minimal linux system here and want to test the ttyS* devices with like cat bla.txt >/dev/ttyS*. is there a way to set communication parameters like baud rate via shell? |
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02:23.31 | Genesis | bonne nuti |
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05:31.18 | Soopaman | anyone awake |
05:31.29 | T0mW | no |
05:31.41 | Soopaman | tom, do you have about 5 minutes to spare |
05:31.41 | T0mW | I am just going thru the motions, heh |
05:31.46 | T0mW | yeah |
05:31.55 | Soopaman | i think i just figured out a way to softmod into my gpl-voilated router |
05:32.02 | Soopaman | may i dcc you the file? |
05:32.07 | T0mW | just finished a critical piece of code |
05:32.21 | T0mW | softmod? |
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05:34.21 | Soopamn | heh |
05:34.24 | Soopamn | tom, still there? |
05:34.37 | T0mW | yah |
05:34.42 | T0mW | what is softmod? |
05:34.45 | Soopamn | looks like the config file the router generates to back up and save it's settings, is pretty much a mini image file, that get mounted with boot/setup scripts are run on it |
05:35.10 | T0mW | I'll look at it, not sure what I can do to help you. |
05:35.15 | T0mW | dcc it |
05:35.32 | Soopamn | softmod is getting into the system using software security glitches, instead of physically altering/modding the hardware |
05:35.39 | T0mW | sh |
05:35.41 | T0mW | ah |
05:37.02 | T0mW | Soopamn: either dcc or use NoPaste (http://rafb.net/paste/) |
05:37.09 | Soopamn | k |
05:37.16 | Soopamn | dcc not going through |
05:37.24 | Soopamn | better yet |
05:37.25 | T0mW | are you registered? |
05:37.31 | Soopamn | www.hoopsfanatic.net/ovislink-wmu9000_config |
05:38.29 | T0mW | lots of binary in there |
05:39.18 | T0mW | ok, that is a MSDOS FAT filesystem |
05:39.43 | Soopamn | yeah |
05:39.44 | T0mW | you've got the partition table, fat, bootblock, etc. |
05:40.08 | T0mW | so what do you want to do? modify it's contents and then write it back? |
05:40.24 | T0mW | like read a file off that image? |
05:40.33 | Soopamn | i'm trying to figure out how to splice a shell/telnet session into there |
05:41.09 | Soopamn | yeah, all i need to do is be able to telnet/ssh into the router, and figure out how it runs, so i can start modding/making my own firmware |
05:41.18 | Russ | btw, we all know your router password now |
05:41.53 | T0mW | heh |
05:41.53 | Soopamn | thispassword |
05:41.53 | Soopamn | i know ;) |
05:41.53 | Soopamn | i set it to that |
05:41.54 | T0mW | mount it on the linux box using the loop back |
05:41.54 | Soopamn | silly rabbit ;) |
05:42.00 | Russ | I was talking about b3pk!li* |
05:42.09 | T0mW | mount ovislink-wmu9000_config /mnt/hd -o loop |
05:42.37 | T0mW | mount -t msdos ovislink-wmu9000_config /mnt/hd -o loop |
05:42.57 | T0mW | mount it as an msdos volume, otherwise you're going to get the long filenames. |
05:42.59 | Russ | first thing to do would be hack a telnet session with nc and sh...if it has nc |
05:43.03 | T0mW | that is a 8x3 filename |
05:43.44 | Soopamn | Russ, i can't tell what apps are on the router, all i know is that it supposedly has a complete busybox suite on it |
05:43.57 | Russ | good chance it has nc then |
05:44.00 | Russ | maybe even telned |
05:44.04 | Russ | er, telnetd |
05:45.04 | Russ | why do so many embedded system engineers suck? |
05:45.17 | Soopamn | because they aren't paid to make a good system |
05:45.18 | T0mW | Russ: ah, you are quicker than I am in reading the image contents: b3pk!li* |
05:45.26 | Soopamn | shit |
05:45.33 | Soopamn | that's my old password :P |
05:45.44 | Soopamn | stupid router |
05:45.45 | Soopamn | heheheh |
05:45.50 | T0mW | Russ: because they have boss's that want to understand the code that is written? |
05:45.52 | Soopamn | time to burn that password |
05:46.10 | Soopamn | this router looks like it was set up to work |
05:46.21 | Soopamn | instead of best taking advantage of the hw |
05:46.33 | Soopamn | check the specs on the router |
05:46.36 | Russ | don't think your wireless key will be of much use though |
05:47.00 | Soopamn | i don't even use the router |
05:47.23 | Soopamn | it's just sat here for ages collecting dust |
05:47.36 | Soopamn | for some reason i decided to poke around tonight, and struck gold |
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05:48.21 | Russ | configuration components as scripts |
05:48.26 | Russ | what else would you want? |
05:49.34 | Soopamn | my biggest concern, is if i can bring up a telnet/ssh session, how do i ensure iptables doesn't block the traffic? |
05:49.43 | Russ | heh |
05:49.51 | Russ | just edit the script that changes the iptables rules |
05:50.19 | Soopamn | so i can just delete them all for now? |
05:51.56 | Russ | first thing would be something like echo hi | nc 192.168.1.232 5000 |
05:52.16 | Russ | just to see that you are doing something |
05:55.17 | Soopaman | so the nc opens up the telnet session on port 5000? |
05:55.49 | Soopaman | (making sure i somewhat understand the path taken) |
05:55.52 | Russ | no, it just says hi |
05:55.57 | Russ | start small |
05:56.15 | Russ | then, if that works, try like, find / | nc 192.168.1.232 5000 |
05:56.35 | Russ | (and of course the IP is you, and you are listening with nc on port 5000) |
05:56.43 | Russ | that way, you'll get a whole tree |
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06:00.31 | Soopaman | k |
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06:04.24 | Russ|iPAQ | bck |
06:12.07 | cdm | iPAQ huh? What one? |
06:14.08 | Russ|iPAQ | 3870 |
06:17.04 | Russ|iPAQ | why? |
06:21.09 | T0mW | jacques: you there? I've got an ARM question. |
06:22.08 | Russ|iPAQ | I can usually answer ARM questions |
06:22.17 | T0mW | thanks |
06:22.39 | T0mW | I have some code in Flash which I would like to copy itself up into higher flash memory. |
06:22.42 | T0mW | now |
06:22.53 | T0mW | afaik, arm code is relative |
06:22.58 | Russ|iPAQ | ouch |
06:23.07 | Russ|iPAQ | it can be |
06:23.18 | T0mW | all code is a branch with a 24bit offset, correct? |
06:23.33 | T0mW | other than stuff like "mov rx, ip" |
06:23.44 | Russ|iPAQ | is it the same flash chip? |
06:23.51 | Soopaman | Russ, nc listen <ip> <port> ? |
06:24.05 | T0mW | yeah, but I'll be doing the move code executing from RAM |
06:24.11 | Russ|iPAQ | nc -l -p 5000 |
06:24.17 | Soopaman | k, thx |
06:24.23 | T0mW | hmm |
06:24.28 | Russ|iPAQ | ok. good |
06:24.53 | T0mW | Russ: I know, I'll set the linker script to org at 0, then at 0x68000000 and compare the files. |
06:25.10 | Russ|iPAQ | do you have that 6 page quick ref? |
06:25.22 | T0mW | I have the arm arm reference |
06:26.10 | Russ|iPAQ | get the 6 page quick ref, its handy |
06:26.14 | T0mW | answer was too obvious to see, heh |
06:27.14 | Russ|iPAQ | b <addr> is PC relative 24 bit |
06:27.20 | T0mW | yeah |
06:27.45 | cdm | Russ - just curious |
06:27.45 | T0mW | the rodata loads might a problem though |
06:27.52 | Russ|iPAQ | mov pc, <reg> can be non pc rel |
06:28.02 | T0mW | that too |
06:28.44 | Russ|iPAQ | I'm confused, what's the problem |
06:29.18 | Soopaman | [ -f /dev/sda1/stage2.sh ] sh -x /dev/sda1/stage2.sh |
06:29.23 | Soopaman | is that kosher? |
06:29.25 | Russ|iPAQ | are you doing c or asm |
06:29.37 | T0mW | me? |
06:29.53 | Russ|iPAQ | ya |
06:30.04 | Soopaman | me? |
06:30.08 | T0mW | the code is C that I need to move, I'm looking into the .lss files now for the data load stuff. |
06:30.11 | Russ|iPAQ | I forget what -x is |
06:30.24 | Soopaman | execute |
06:30.33 | Soopaman | regardless of perms |
06:30.45 | T0mW | oooo! they match! |
06:30.55 | Russ|iPAQ | sounds like you need an ld script |
06:30.58 | T0mW | interesting |
06:31.37 | T0mW | Russ|iPAQ: I just changed the ld script for the target location and the resulting binary matches that org'ed at 0 |
06:31.40 | Russ|iPAQ | you can ensure they match by adding a -fPIC |
06:32.25 | T0mW | that works with ARM? I though only hard address chips needed that (ColdFire, etc) |
06:32.35 | Russ|iPAQ | so what step are you missing |
06:33.46 | Russ|iPAQ | -fPIC just forces the compiler to make position independent code |
06:38.09 | Soopaman | Russ, sorry to bug you again, but what file should i splice this too (ie which boot file will more than likely run for sure) |
06:39.12 | Russ|iPAQ | probabl the end of the iptables rules |
06:42.27 | Soopaman | ok, now who do i send this router to after i inevitably brick it? :P |
06:47.06 | Russ|iPAQ | good question |
06:49.18 | T0mW | Russ|iPAQ: ARM32 (no Thumb) and the -fPIC appear to do what I need, let me try without -fPIC now. |
06:50.54 | T0mW | Russ|iPAQ: it needs the -fPIC |
06:50.59 | T0mW | Russ|iPAQ: thank you! |
06:51.12 | Russ|iPAQ | without it, the compiler is free to decide whether or not to generate pic code based on the phase of the moon |
06:51.29 | T0mW | lol |
06:51.48 | T0mW | gcc does have it's own way of deciding what is best for you |
06:55.35 | MonMotha | I knew gcc was kinda random, but...wow :) |
06:55.58 | MonMotha | Almost as good as the mov eax, eax instruction I saw it output, though I'm sure it had its reasons |
06:56.31 | Russ|iPAQ | heh |
06:56.52 | Russ|iPAQ | was that with -O2? |
06:57.36 | Soopaman | hope this doesn't break too bad :P |
06:57.37 | MonMotha | Russ|iPAQ: I'm not sure. It was in a program I was attempting to reverse engineer. I presume it was built with optimizations |
06:57.54 | MonMotha | I could see that happening without, I guess. It wants the return value in eax, hence mov eax, eax |
06:58.01 | MonMotha | it was operating on a return value |
06:58.26 | Russ|iPAQ | could be |
06:59.12 | MonMotha | gah, why must programs insist on breaking the X clipboard? |
06:59.59 | Russ|iPAQ | caus everyone thinks they can do it better |
07:00.32 | MonMotha | I guess... |
07:00.39 | MonMotha | this fancy program apparently just maintains its own clipboard |
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07:13.41 | Russ|iPAQ | hey Tim |
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08:07.31 | Soopaman | anyone still awae? |
08:08.12 | beeble | up again |
08:08.50 | Soopaman | hooray |
08:09.09 | Soopaman | ttrying to forcible entry my router, but having a heck of a time doing so |
08:09.29 | Soopaman | what is the quickest/easiest way to "pump" a wireless connection? |
08:09.54 | beeble | pump like in output power? |
08:11.37 | MonMotha | external amplifier :) |
08:12.48 | beeble | or if you have an european accesspoint, use the US firmware ;) |
08:15.53 | Soopaman | nah |
08:16.01 | Soopaman | just drop the ip, and grab another |
08:16.47 | MonMotha | power cycle it? |
08:20.11 | Soopaman | doesn't seem to work as well as i need it to |
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09:16.37 | Soopamn | anyone have a static mips compiled telnetd that i can borrow for the next half hour ;) |
09:17.15 | MonMotha | you mean you don't have a copy of busybox statically compiled for every linux arch under the sun? :) |
09:17.23 | Soopamn | nope |
09:17.29 | Soopamn | just getting back into the mix |
09:17.56 | Soopamn | do you have enough to spare/ |
09:20.39 | MonMotha | only busyboxes I've got handy actually are x86 and ARM |
09:21.35 | Soopamn | fuck |
09:21.41 | Soopamn | anyone know pureftpd? |
09:21.51 | Soopamn | thing is driving me mad |
09:22.25 | Soopamn | found a way into my router, yet can't seal the deal... |
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11:42.17 | Genesis | bonjour |
11:42.40 | CP|Dresden | morning |
11:45.52 | T0mW | CP|Dresden: barely daylight here on the east coast |
11:46.08 | T0mW | faint glow in the East |
11:46.29 | T0mW | CP|Dresden: that glow, is that you? What'd you do Jordon? |
11:47.25 | CP|Dresden | Wouldn't you like to know |
11:47.51 | T0mW | naw, just curious |
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13:17.23 | prpplague | andersee: morning, afternoon, or whatever time schedule you are on today |
13:17.33 | prpplague | andersee: just sent you an email with the dsa info |
13:18.54 | T0mW | he's been on all night, I think Erik is really asleep |
13:19.08 | T0mW | logged in then passed out |
13:19.14 | T0mW | heh |
13:19.55 | prpplague | andersee: ha, just got your reply |
13:20.01 | prpplague | andersee: thanks i'll get it a try |
13:20.22 | prpplague | andersee: any words of wisdom before i start working on things? |
13:20.42 | CP|Dresden | Neither a borrower or lender be |
13:21.56 | andersee | prpplague: morning |
13:22.14 | andersee | T0mW: nah, been working all night on another computer... |
13:22.36 | andersee | prpplague: umm... "Never pee on an electric fence" |
13:22.50 | andersee | prpplague: best advice I have this morning |
13:23.04 | prpplague | andersee: i thought it was "never piss on a spark plug" |
13:23.30 | andersee | prpplague: that too |
13:24.02 | andersee | prpplague: "never get involved in a land war in Asia" |
13:24.39 | andersee | prpplague: "Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line" |
13:26.35 | prpplague | andersee: "never mess with another man's tools, beer, or woman, in that order" |
13:28.04 | beeble | "never buy a zipit at amazon.com if you live in europe" |
13:29.06 | T0mW | I program in too many languages, I'm losing my C coding skills!!!! |
13:29.42 | T0mW | I can't coerce type worth crap |
13:30.24 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe, funny, i've been doing so much arm assembly, i had trouble doing a shell script the other day, hehe |
13:30.48 | T0mW | prpplague: I'm starting to get the hang of writing ARM asm |
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13:31.03 | UdontKnow | heyhey |
13:31.11 | UdontKnow | does busybox httpd support vhosts? |
13:31.22 | prpplague | T0mW: i still have not gotten used to the syntax of inline asm with gcc |
13:31.24 | UdontKnow | cant find it in the docs |
13:31.34 | T0mW | prpplague: the wierd part is not being able to load a 24bit number: mov r1,#0x123456 |
13:31.55 | prpplague | T0mW: yea you have to do it in multiple |
13:32.08 | T0mW | prpplague: I don't bother with that, that is real weird stuff, I just make a file and fill it with asm |
13:32.41 | T0mW | prpplague: those input / output / ??? stuff is weird |
13:33.16 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, the only problem is marc's apex uses a ton if it |
13:33.24 | T0mW | prpplague: "warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size" |
13:33.33 | T0mW | like who cares, just do it! |
13:34.49 | T0mW | prpplague: job security, you have to be as good as he is to replace him |
13:35.12 | prpplague | T0mW: ?? |
13:35.45 | T0mW | anybody know how to get gdb to list C code in assembler, I want to see the underlying opcodes. |
13:36.02 | andersee | UdontKnow: nope, no vhosts |
13:36.37 | UdontKnow | andersee: ty :) |
13:37.46 | CP|Dresden | T0mW: I don't know if it can do that - if it can, I want to learn too |
13:37.53 | CP|Dresden | that drives me frickin' batty |
13:38.39 | T0mW | CP|Dresden: I am wondering if I use Insight if it will do it. I can do the toggle between ASM / SOURCE (c) view with Insight with the ARM stuff |
13:38.51 | CP|Dresden | insight? |
13:39.06 | T0mW | CP|Dresden: yeah, gui front end to gdb |
13:39.13 | CP|Dresden | ahhh! gui! |
13:39.16 | CP|Dresden | run away, run away! |
13:39.39 | T0mW | CP|Dresden: naw, sometimes you just gotta whip out the gui |
13:39.51 | CP|Dresden | not in front of the children! |
13:39.57 | T0mW | :P |
13:41.02 | T0mW | I gonna try it, this type coercion has got me bugged. |
13:41.02 | T0mW | static uchar SectorData[] |
13:41.24 | T0mW | return (int) *((int *)&SectorData[0]) |
13:41.43 | T0mW | that should work, right, to get the first four bytes returned as an int? |
13:43.05 | T0mW | aha! I had parenthesis in wrong place. What I wrote here was not what I had in the file |
13:43.58 | T0mW | prpplague: remind me again please? Why was it we do this work? |
13:44.35 | T0mW | OH! |
13:44.52 | T0mW | I got a bunch of webpals being delivered today by UPS |
13:56.48 | Genesis | @+ |
13:58.12 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe cool |
13:58.18 | prpplague | T0mW: whatcha gonna do with them? |
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14:00.27 | T0mW | prpplague: put openVPN on them and build a large network |
14:00.45 | T0mW | prpplague: I think I've got 20 of them coming today |
14:01.16 | prpplague | hehe |
14:01.28 | dijenerate | @prpplague I'm rater tempted to abort this Nexio project, given the current market state, Nokia 770 and DualCor cPc on the horizon |
14:01.42 | T0mW | I should have kept those 12 port 10baseT hubs... |
14:02.11 | prpplague | dijenerate: yea, doing a port can be rather time consuming, you really have to weigh all the options |
14:02.13 | dijenerate | s/rater/rather |
14:02.26 | MonMotha | did anyone ever come up with a better bootloader for the webpals? |
14:02.45 | prpplague | MonMotha: i had blob booting before the war that was called my divorce |
14:02.52 | dijenerate | yep, and for the last two weeks I have not been able to doing any work on it |
14:02.55 | prpplague | MonMotha: hehe, you could get apex booting easy on it now |
14:02.56 | dijenerate | no time |
14:03.56 | dijenerate | I'm thinking scrap Nexio and port to the cPc when it's released |
14:04.36 | dijenerate | I may even buy a 770 meanwhile |
14:06.42 | MonMotha | prpplague: yeah, looks like a suitable small build of APEX could be RDP'd to the Webpal and then used to flash in a full copy |
14:08.11 | prpplague | MonMotha: you can do a regular build of apex at around 16k |
14:08.49 | chouimat | morning |
14:08.55 | MonMotha | hum, that should be small enough to get the webpal's RDP proggy to accept it |
14:09.04 | MonMotha | I know I tried sending it a whole zImage, it barfed :) |
14:09.10 | prpplague | MonMotha: ahh |
14:12.44 | prpplague | MonMotha: apex is really easy to port to a new system |
14:12.58 | prpplague | MonMotha: it has a ton of debug code to assist in the porting |
14:13.36 | prpplague | MonMotha: extremely modularized to keep common code seperate from machine specific code |
14:21.15 | dijenerate | prpplague: so how goes it otherwise? |
14:22.23 | MonMotha | prpplague: unlike BLOB... :) |
14:22.44 | MonMotha | I may take a look at that...though that would be yet another project. |
14:23.04 | prpplague | dijenerate: it goes, i just finished a legacy project that i can only describe as a project that had many similarities as a nasty bugger on your finger, i just couldn't seem to get rid of it |
14:23.09 | prpplague | MonMotha: hehe yea |
14:23.29 | dijenerate | prpplague: lol |
14:23.52 | prpplague | MonMotha: i loved blob, will always love blob as it was the first bootloader i hacked, but between the bit rot and the complicate build environment, its no longer a relevant player |
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14:25.05 | dijenerate | prpplague: I have another project I'd like your help on |
14:25.46 | prpplague | dijenerate: as long as it is embedded related, i don't do much of the other IT stuff these days |
14:26.37 | dijenerate | prpplague: well it is, I'll brief you by voice 1 sec |
14:30.36 | CP|Dresden | anyone know of a way to make apache spit out an index in just plain text? |
14:35.00 | beeble | its not plaintext but if you put add a ?F=0 to the url you get at least a noon fancy list |
14:36.14 | beeble | s/noon/non |
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14:57.15 | prpplague | CP|Dresden: hung over yet? |
15:10.59 | CP|Dresden | I was yesterday |
15:11.04 | CP|Dresden | woo, was I ever |
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15:27.16 | justine- | anyone know where to find a RF ID reader (very close range) chip for an embeded project? |
15:28.08 | prpplague | justine-: hackaday had some stuff recently |
15:28.13 | justine- | link? |
15:28.29 | prpplague | !!!! |
15:28.38 | prpplague | justine-: what??? you don't read hackaday??? |
15:29.07 | prpplague | justine-: http://www.hackaday.com/search/?q=rfid&submit=Search+B |
15:29.13 | justine- | oh the magazine |
15:29.16 | justine- | i do i do |
15:29.17 | justine- | :D |
15:29.28 | justine- | thanks |
15:30.00 | justine- | have you messed with RF Id stuff? |
15:30.26 | prpplague | no not as of yet, but i will have to soon |
15:31.02 | justine- | ok |
15:33.05 | justine- | thanks |
15:33.20 | justine- | atmel makes some too |
15:33.23 | justine- | got another link |
15:34.01 | prpplague | justine-: if you run across a nice eval kit, some info would be appreciated |
15:34.36 | justine- | i can ask |
15:36.41 | justine- | oops you're in #micro |
15:36.49 | justine- | sith, best person to ask,:P |
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16:03.04 | prpplague | T0mW: hey, where did you find some webpals at? |
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18:06.15 | UdontKnow | hey there |
18:06.43 | UdontKnow | which X implementation are people using on embedded stuff nowadays? Kdrive? |
18:12.01 | dizzey | no idea |
18:15.46 | UdontKnow | I need one for yesterday, but I am missing the right directions for Kdrive :/ |
18:19.36 | dizzey | those are hell to crosscompile |
18:19.50 | UdontKnow | well, my stuff is x86 |
18:19.55 | dizzey | ah |
18:20.07 | dizzey | then a host.def should be sufficent i guess |
18:20.35 | UdontKnow | but I cant find the RIGHT directions... I find conflicting host.def everywhere |
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18:24.46 | Genesis | bonsoir |
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18:35.28 | UdontKnow | hmmm, maybe I found it now |
18:35.43 | UdontKnow | does 4.5.0 build kdrive ? |
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19:05.01 | prpplague | mallum: hey hey |
19:05.27 | mallum | hello there mr prpplague |
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19:06.36 | skceb | hello |
19:08.01 | skceb | sry for bursting in, im trying to set up a small rootfs with buildroot |
19:08.44 | skceb | was trying to compile it, but it crashed, and i have no idea what to do with the encountered errors. |
19:09.05 | skceb | someone would have a look at the output maybe? :=) |
19:10.18 | skceb | http://www.linux-development.org/nopaste/?602 |
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19:17.03 | file | TimRiker! |
19:28.28 | TimRiker | heya |
19:48.03 | prpplague | TimRiker: timmmy! |
19:48.12 | prpplague | TimRiker: whats cookin? |
19:48.22 | prpplague | mallum: hows that 770 dev going? |
19:49.19 | prpplague | skceb: is that a snapshot of the buildroot? |
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20:42.54 | T`2 | morning! |
20:54.45 | skceb | prpplague yes |
20:54.48 | skceb | but its working now |
20:54.49 | skceb | ;) |
20:55.07 | skceb | and i found a little "bug", the gentoo mirror used for portage isnt online anymore |
20:56.05 | skceb | this buildroot is really nice |
20:56.55 | skceb | 2nd try, working imediatly, bootet it via pxe, dhcp, ssh all is working |
20:59.30 | skceb | hm and sanbox isnt on the servers anymoore too |
20:59.42 | skceb | well, i will have to do some edit^^ |
21:02.48 | skceb | if there is a buildroot developper around, nice gentoo mirror would be http://mirrors.sec.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de/gentoo/distfiles, and sandbox should be in version .17 (.13 isnt on the mirrors anymore) |
21:09.01 | prpplague | skceb: hehe submit a bug report on the buildroot page, hehe |
21:13.26 | skceb | :P ill w8 until im finished with my rescue systems, maybe i find more of those tiny "bugs" |
21:14.12 | skceb | i was really surprised, the first build was only 1,7mb (gunzipped), smaller then my kernel *g |
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