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00:27.39vittorioi have a very minimal linux system here and want to test the ttyS* devices with like cat bla.txt >/dev/ttyS*. is there a way to set communication parameters like baud rate via shell?
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05:31.18Soopamananyone awake
05:31.29T0mWno
05:31.41Soopamantom, do you have about 5 minutes to spare
05:31.41T0mWI am just going thru the motions, heh
05:31.46T0mWyeah
05:31.55Soopamani think i just figured out a way to softmod into my gpl-voilated router
05:32.02Soopamanmay i dcc you the file?
05:32.07T0mWjust finished a critical piece of code
05:32.21T0mWsoftmod?
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05:34.21Soopamnheh
05:34.24Soopamntom, still there?
05:34.37T0mWyah
05:34.42T0mWwhat is softmod?
05:34.45Soopamnlooks like the config file the router generates to back up and save it's settings, is pretty much a mini image file, that get mounted with boot/setup scripts are run on it
05:35.10T0mWI'll look at it, not sure what I can do to help you.
05:35.15T0mWdcc it
05:35.32Soopamnsoftmod is getting into the system using software security glitches, instead of physically altering/modding the hardware
05:35.39T0mWsh
05:35.41T0mWah
05:37.02T0mWSoopamn: either dcc or use NoPaste (http://rafb.net/paste/)
05:37.09Soopamnk
05:37.16Soopamndcc not going through
05:37.24Soopamnbetter yet
05:37.25T0mWare you registered?
05:37.31Soopamnwww.hoopsfanatic.net/ovislink-wmu9000_config
05:38.29T0mWlots of binary in there
05:39.18T0mWok, that is a MSDOS FAT filesystem
05:39.43Soopamnyeah
05:39.44T0mWyou've got the partition table, fat, bootblock, etc.
05:40.08T0mWso what do you want to do?  modify it's contents and then write it back?
05:40.24T0mWlike read a file off that image?
05:40.33Soopamni'm trying to figure out how to splice a shell/telnet session into there
05:41.09Soopamnyeah, all i need to do is be able to telnet/ssh into the router, and figure out how it runs, so i can start modding/making my own firmware
05:41.18Russbtw, we all know your router password now
05:41.53T0mWheh
05:41.53Soopamnthispassword
05:41.53Soopamni know ;)
05:41.53Soopamni set it to that
05:41.54T0mWmount it on the linux box using the loop back
05:41.54Soopamnsilly rabbit ;)
05:42.00RussI was talking about b3pk!li*
05:42.09T0mWmount ovislink-wmu9000_config /mnt/hd -o loop
05:42.37T0mWmount -t msdos ovislink-wmu9000_config /mnt/hd -o loop
05:42.57T0mWmount it as an msdos volume, otherwise you're going to get the long filenames.
05:42.59Russfirst thing to do would be hack a telnet session with nc and sh...if it has nc
05:43.03T0mWthat is a 8x3 filename
05:43.44SoopamnRuss, i can't tell what apps are on the router, all i know is that it supposedly has a complete busybox suite on it
05:43.57Russgood chance it has nc then
05:44.00Russmaybe even telned
05:44.04Russer, telnetd
05:45.04Russwhy do so many embedded system engineers suck?
05:45.17Soopamnbecause they aren't paid to make a good system
05:45.18T0mWRuss: ah, you are quicker than I am in reading the image contents:  b3pk!li*
05:45.26Soopamnshit
05:45.33Soopamnthat's my old password :P
05:45.44Soopamnstupid router
05:45.45Soopamnheheheh
05:45.50T0mWRuss: because they have boss's that want to understand the code that is written?
05:45.52Soopamntime to burn that password
05:46.10Soopamnthis router looks like it was set up to work
05:46.21Soopamninstead of best taking advantage of the hw
05:46.33Soopamncheck the specs on the router
05:46.36Russdon't think your wireless key will be of much use though
05:47.00Soopamni don't even use the router
05:47.23Soopamnit's just sat here for ages collecting dust
05:47.36Soopamnfor some reason i decided to poke around tonight, and struck gold
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05:48.21Russconfiguration components as scripts
05:48.26Russwhat else would you want?
05:49.34Soopamnmy biggest concern, is if i can bring up a telnet/ssh session, how do i ensure iptables doesn't block the traffic?
05:49.43Russheh
05:49.51Russjust edit the script that changes the iptables rules
05:50.19Soopamnso i can just delete them all for now?
05:51.56Russfirst thing would be something like echo hi | nc 192.168.1.232 5000
05:52.16Russjust to see that you are doing something
05:55.17Soopamanso the nc opens up the telnet session on port 5000?
05:55.49Soopaman(making sure i somewhat understand the path taken)
05:55.52Russno, it just says hi
05:55.57Russstart small
05:56.15Russthen, if that works, try like, find / | nc 192.168.1.232 5000
05:56.35Russ(and of course the IP is you, and you are listening with nc on port 5000)
05:56.43Russthat way, you'll get a whole tree
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06:00.31Soopamank
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06:04.24Russ|iPAQbck
06:12.07cdmiPAQ huh?  What one?
06:14.08Russ|iPAQ3870
06:17.04Russ|iPAQwhy?
06:21.09T0mWjacques: you there?  I've got an ARM question.
06:22.08Russ|iPAQI can usually answer ARM questions
06:22.17T0mWthanks
06:22.39T0mWI have some code in Flash which I would like to copy itself up into higher flash memory.
06:22.42T0mWnow
06:22.53T0mWafaik, arm code is relative
06:22.58Russ|iPAQouch
06:23.07Russ|iPAQit can be
06:23.18T0mWall code is a branch with a 24bit offset, correct?
06:23.33T0mWother than stuff like "mov rx, ip"
06:23.44Russ|iPAQis it the same flash chip?
06:23.51SoopamanRuss, nc listen <ip> <port> ?
06:24.05T0mWyeah, but I'll be doing the move code executing from RAM
06:24.11Russ|iPAQnc -l -p 5000
06:24.17Soopamank, thx
06:24.23T0mWhmm
06:24.28Russ|iPAQok. good
06:24.53T0mWRuss: I know, I'll set the linker script to org at 0, then at 0x68000000 and compare the files.
06:25.10Russ|iPAQdo you have that 6 page quick ref?
06:25.22T0mWI have the arm arm reference
06:26.10Russ|iPAQget the 6 page quick ref, its handy
06:26.14T0mWanswer was too obvious to see, heh
06:27.14Russ|iPAQb <addr> is PC relative 24 bit
06:27.20T0mWyeah
06:27.45cdmRuss - just curious
06:27.45T0mWthe rodata loads might a problem though
06:27.52Russ|iPAQmov pc, <reg> can be non pc rel
06:28.02T0mWthat too
06:28.44Russ|iPAQI'm confused, what's the problem
06:29.18Soopaman[ -f /dev/sda1/stage2.sh ] sh -x /dev/sda1/stage2.sh
06:29.23Soopamanis that kosher?
06:29.25Russ|iPAQare you doing c or asm
06:29.37T0mWme?
06:29.53Russ|iPAQya
06:30.04Soopamanme?
06:30.08T0mWthe code is C that I need to move, I'm looking into the .lss files now for the data load stuff.
06:30.11Russ|iPAQI forget what -x is
06:30.24Soopamanexecute
06:30.33Soopamanregardless of perms
06:30.45T0mWoooo! they match!
06:30.55Russ|iPAQsounds like you need an ld script
06:30.58T0mWinteresting
06:31.37T0mWRuss|iPAQ: I just changed the ld script for the target location and the resulting binary matches that org'ed at 0
06:31.40Russ|iPAQyou can ensure they match by adding a -fPIC
06:32.25T0mWthat works with ARM?  I though only hard address chips needed that (ColdFire, etc)
06:32.35Russ|iPAQso what step are you missing
06:33.46Russ|iPAQ-fPIC just forces the compiler to make position independent code
06:38.09SoopamanRuss, sorry to bug you again, but what file should i splice this too (ie which boot file will more than likely run for sure)
06:39.12Russ|iPAQprobabl the end of the iptables rules
06:42.27Soopamanok, now who do i send this router to after i inevitably brick it? :P
06:47.06Russ|iPAQgood question
06:49.18T0mWRuss|iPAQ: ARM32 (no Thumb) and the -fPIC appear to do what I need, let me try without -fPIC now.
06:50.54T0mWRuss|iPAQ: it needs the -fPIC
06:50.59T0mWRuss|iPAQ: thank you!
06:51.12Russ|iPAQwithout it, the compiler is free to decide whether or not to generate pic code based on the phase of the moon
06:51.29T0mWlol
06:51.48T0mWgcc does have it's own way of deciding what is best for you
06:55.35MonMothaI knew gcc was kinda random, but...wow :)
06:55.58MonMothaAlmost as good as the mov eax, eax instruction I saw it output, though I'm sure it had its reasons
06:56.31Russ|iPAQheh
06:56.52Russ|iPAQwas that with -O2?
06:57.36Soopamanhope this doesn't break too bad :P
06:57.37MonMothaRuss|iPAQ: I'm not sure.  It was in a program I was attempting to reverse engineer.  I presume it was built with optimizations
06:57.54MonMothaI could see that happening without, I guess.  It wants the return value in eax, hence mov eax, eax
06:58.01MonMothait was operating on a return value
06:58.26Russ|iPAQcould be
06:59.12MonMothagah, why must programs insist on breaking the X clipboard?
06:59.59Russ|iPAQcaus everyone thinks they can do it better
07:00.32MonMothaI guess...
07:00.39MonMothathis fancy program apparently just maintains its own clipboard
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07:13.41Russ|iPAQhey Tim
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08:07.31Soopamananyone still awae?
08:08.12beebleup again
08:08.50Soopamanhooray
08:09.09Soopamanttrying to forcible entry my router, but having a heck of a time doing so
08:09.29Soopamanwhat is the quickest/easiest way to "pump" a wireless connection?
08:09.54beeblepump like in output power?
08:11.37MonMothaexternal amplifier :)
08:12.48beebleor if you have an european accesspoint, use the US firmware ;)
08:15.53Soopamannah
08:16.01Soopamanjust drop the ip, and grab another
08:16.47MonMothapower cycle it?
08:20.11Soopamandoesn't seem to work as well as i need it to
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09:16.37Soopamnanyone have a static mips compiled telnetd that i can borrow for the next half hour ;)
09:17.15MonMothayou mean you don't have a copy of busybox statically compiled for every linux arch under the sun? :)
09:17.23Soopamnnope
09:17.29Soopamnjust getting back into the mix
09:17.56Soopamndo you have enough to spare/
09:20.39MonMothaonly busyboxes I've got handy actually are x86 and ARM
09:21.35Soopamnfuck
09:21.41Soopamnanyone know pureftpd?
09:21.51Soopamnthing is driving me mad
09:22.25Soopamnfound a way into my router, yet can't seal the deal...
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11:42.40CP|Dresdenmorning
11:45.52T0mWCP|Dresden: barely daylight here on the east coast
11:46.08T0mWfaint glow in the East
11:46.29T0mWCP|Dresden: that glow, is that you?  What'd you do Jordon?
11:47.25CP|DresdenWouldn't you like to know
11:47.51T0mWnaw, just curious
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13:17.23prpplagueandersee: morning, afternoon, or whatever time schedule you are on today
13:17.33prpplagueandersee: just sent you an email with the dsa info
13:18.54T0mWhe's been on all night, I think Erik is really asleep
13:19.08T0mWlogged in then passed out
13:19.14T0mWheh
13:19.55prpplagueandersee: ha, just got your reply
13:20.01prpplagueandersee: thanks i'll get it a try
13:20.22prpplagueandersee: any words of wisdom before i start working on things?
13:20.42CP|DresdenNeither a borrower or lender be
13:21.56anderseeprpplague: morning
13:22.14anderseeT0mW: nah, been working all night on another computer...
13:22.36anderseeprpplague: umm... "Never pee on an electric fence"
13:22.50anderseeprpplague: best advice I have this morning
13:23.04prpplagueandersee: i thought it was "never piss on a spark plug"
13:23.30anderseeprpplague: that too
13:24.02anderseeprpplague: "never get involved in a land war in Asia"
13:24.39anderseeprpplague: "Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line"
13:26.35prpplagueandersee: "never mess with another man's tools, beer, or woman, in that order"
13:28.04beeble"never buy a zipit at amazon.com if you live in europe"
13:29.06T0mWI program in too many languages, I'm losing my C coding skills!!!!
13:29.42T0mWI can't coerce type worth crap
13:30.24prpplagueT0mW: hehe, funny, i've been doing so much arm assembly, i had trouble doing a shell script the other day, hehe
13:30.48T0mWprpplague: I'm starting to get the hang of writing ARM asm
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13:31.03UdontKnowheyhey
13:31.11UdontKnowdoes busybox httpd support vhosts?
13:31.22prpplagueT0mW: i still have not gotten used to the syntax of inline asm with gcc
13:31.24UdontKnowcant find it in the docs
13:31.34T0mWprpplague: the wierd part is not being able to load a 24bit number: mov r1,#0x123456
13:31.55prpplagueT0mW: yea you have to do it in multiple
13:32.08T0mWprpplague: I don't bother with that, that is real weird stuff, I just make a file and fill it with asm
13:32.41T0mWprpplague: those input / output / ??? stuff is weird
13:33.16prpplagueT0mW: yea, the only problem is marc's apex uses a ton if it
13:33.24T0mWprpplague: "warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size"
13:33.33T0mWlike who cares, just do it!
13:34.49T0mWprpplague: job security, you have to be as good as he is to replace him
13:35.12prpplagueT0mW: ??
13:35.45T0mWanybody know how to get gdb to list C code in assembler, I want to see the underlying opcodes.
13:36.02anderseeUdontKnow: nope, no vhosts
13:36.37UdontKnowandersee: ty :)
13:37.46CP|DresdenT0mW: I don't know if it can do that - if it can, I want to learn too
13:37.53CP|Dresdenthat drives me frickin' batty
13:38.39T0mWCP|Dresden: I am wondering if I use Insight if it will do it.  I can do the toggle between ASM / SOURCE (c) view with Insight with the ARM stuff
13:38.51CP|Dresdeninsight?
13:39.06T0mWCP|Dresden: yeah, gui front end to gdb
13:39.13CP|Dresdenahhh!  gui!
13:39.16CP|Dresdenrun away, run away!
13:39.39T0mWCP|Dresden: naw, sometimes you just gotta whip out the gui
13:39.51CP|Dresdennot in front of the children!
13:39.57T0mW:P
13:41.02T0mWI gonna try it, this type coercion has got me bugged.
13:41.02T0mWstatic uchar SectorData[]
13:41.24T0mWreturn (int) *((int *)&SectorData[0])
13:41.43T0mWthat should work, right, to get the first four bytes returned as an int?
13:43.05T0mWaha! I had parenthesis in wrong place. What I wrote here was not what I had in the file
13:43.58T0mWprpplague: remind me again please?  Why was it we do this work?
13:44.35T0mWOH!
13:44.52T0mWI got a bunch of webpals being delivered today by UPS
13:56.48Genesis@+
13:58.12prpplagueT0mW: hehe cool
13:58.18prpplagueT0mW: whatcha gonna do with them?
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14:00.27T0mWprpplague: put openVPN on them and build a large network
14:00.45T0mWprpplague: I think I've got 20 of them coming today
14:01.16prpplaguehehe
14:01.28dijenerate@prpplague I'm rater tempted to abort this Nexio project, given the current market state, Nokia 770 and DualCor cPc on the horizon
14:01.42T0mWI should have kept those 12 port 10baseT hubs...
14:02.11prpplaguedijenerate: yea, doing a port can be rather time consuming, you really have to weigh all the options
14:02.13dijenerates/rater/rather
14:02.26MonMothadid anyone ever come up with a better bootloader for the webpals?
14:02.45prpplagueMonMotha: i had blob booting before the war that was called my divorce
14:02.52dijenerateyep, and for the last two weeks I have not been able to doing any work on it
14:02.55prpplagueMonMotha: hehe, you could get apex booting easy on it now
14:02.56dijenerateno time
14:03.56dijenerateI'm thinking scrap Nexio and port to the cPc when it's released
14:04.36dijenerateI may even buy a 770 meanwhile
14:06.42MonMothaprpplague: yeah, looks like a suitable small build of APEX could be RDP'd to the Webpal and then used to flash in a full copy
14:08.11prpplagueMonMotha: you can do a regular build of apex at around 16k
14:08.49chouimatmorning
14:08.55MonMothahum, that should be small enough to get the webpal's RDP proggy to accept it
14:09.04MonMothaI know I tried sending it a whole zImage, it barfed :)
14:09.10prpplagueMonMotha: ahh
14:12.44prpplagueMonMotha: apex is really easy to port to a new system
14:12.58prpplagueMonMotha: it has a ton of debug code to assist in the porting
14:13.36prpplagueMonMotha: extremely modularized to keep common code seperate from machine specific code
14:21.15dijenerateprpplague: so how goes it otherwise?
14:22.23MonMothaprpplague: unlike BLOB... :)
14:22.44MonMothaI may take a look at that...though that would be yet another project.
14:23.04prpplaguedijenerate: it goes, i just finished a legacy project that i can only describe as a project that had many similarities as a nasty bugger on your finger, i just couldn't seem to get rid of it
14:23.09prpplagueMonMotha: hehe yea
14:23.29dijenerateprpplague: lol
14:23.52prpplagueMonMotha: i loved blob, will always love blob as it was the first bootloader i hacked, but between the bit rot and the complicate build environment, its no longer a relevant player
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14:25.05dijenerateprpplague: I have another project I'd like your help on
14:25.46prpplaguedijenerate: as long as it is embedded related, i don't do much of the other IT stuff these days
14:26.37dijenerateprpplague: well it is, I'll brief you by voice 1 sec
14:30.36CP|Dresdenanyone know of a way to make apache spit out an index in just plain text?
14:35.00beebleits not plaintext but if you put add a ?F=0 to the url you get at least a noon fancy list
14:36.14beebles/noon/non
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14:57.15prpplagueCP|Dresden: hung over yet?
15:10.59CP|DresdenI was yesterday
15:11.04CP|Dresdenwoo, was I ever
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15:27.16justine-anyone know where to find a RF ID reader (very close range) chip for an embeded project?
15:28.08prpplaguejustine-: hackaday had some stuff recently
15:28.13justine-link?
15:28.29prpplague!!!!
15:28.38prpplaguejustine-: what??? you don't read hackaday???
15:29.07prpplaguejustine-: http://www.hackaday.com/search/?q=rfid&submit=Search+B
15:29.13justine-oh the magazine
15:29.16justine-i do i do
15:29.17justine-:D
15:29.28justine-thanks
15:30.00justine-have you messed with RF Id stuff?
15:30.26prpplagueno not as of yet, but i will have to soon
15:31.02justine-ok
15:33.05justine-thanks
15:33.20justine-atmel makes some too
15:33.23justine-got another link
15:34.01prpplaguejustine-: if you run across a nice eval kit, some info would be appreciated
15:34.36justine-i can ask
15:36.41justine-oops you're in #micro
15:36.49justine-sith, best person to ask,:P
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16:03.04prpplagueT0mW: hey, where did you find some webpals at?
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18:06.15UdontKnowhey there
18:06.43UdontKnowwhich X implementation are people using on embedded stuff nowadays? Kdrive?
18:12.01dizzeyno idea
18:15.46UdontKnowI need one for yesterday, but I am missing the right directions for Kdrive :/
18:19.36dizzeythose are hell to crosscompile
18:19.50UdontKnowwell, my stuff is x86
18:19.55dizzeyah
18:20.07dizzeythen a host.def should be sufficent i guess
18:20.35UdontKnowbut I cant find the RIGHT directions... I find conflicting host.def everywhere
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18:35.28UdontKnowhmmm, maybe I found it now
18:35.43UdontKnowdoes 4.5.0 build kdrive ?
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19:05.01prpplaguemallum: hey hey
19:05.27mallumhello there mr prpplague
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19:06.36skcebhello
19:08.01skcebsry for bursting in, im trying to set up a small rootfs with buildroot
19:08.44skcebwas trying to compile it, but it crashed, and i have no idea what to do with the encountered errors.
19:09.05skcebsomeone would have a look at the output maybe? :=)
19:10.18skcebhttp://www.linux-development.org/nopaste/?602
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19:17.03fileTimRiker!
19:28.28TimRikerheya
19:48.03prpplagueTimRiker: timmmy!
19:48.12prpplagueTimRiker: whats cookin?
19:48.22prpplaguemallum: hows that 770 dev going?
19:49.19prpplagueskceb: is that a snapshot of the buildroot?
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20:42.54T`2morning!
20:54.45skcebprpplague yes
20:54.48skcebbut its working now
20:54.49skceb;)
20:55.07skceband i found a little "bug", the gentoo mirror used for portage isnt online anymore
20:56.05skcebthis buildroot is really nice
20:56.55skceb2nd try, working imediatly,  bootet it via pxe, dhcp, ssh all is working
20:59.30skcebhm and sanbox isnt on the servers anymoore too
20:59.42skcebwell, i will have to do some edit^^
21:02.48skcebif there is a buildroot developper around, nice gentoo mirror would be http://mirrors.sec.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de/gentoo/distfiles, and sandbox should be in version .17 (.13 isnt on the mirrors anymore)
21:09.01prpplagueskceb: hehe submit a bug report on the buildroot page, hehe
21:13.26skceb:P ill w8 until im finished with my rescue systems, maybe i find more of those tiny "bugs"
21:14.12skcebi was really surprised, the first build was only 1,7mb (gunzipped), smaller then my kernel *g
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