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| 15:42.04 | prpplague | T0mW: hey hey |
| 15:42.09 | T0mW | hello |
| 15:42.58 | T0mW | prpplague: you have time, I'm working throught the first cuppa' and not worth much until then |
| 15:44.08 | prpplague | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=608# |
| 15:45.54 | beeble | so a stencil can be cut with a low-cost laser cutter |
| 15:46.00 | beeble | how low is low cost? |
| 15:46.13 | T0mW | prpplague: I had given carefull thought to the same idea. |
| 15:46.14 | file | sweet I'm seeing blue spots |
| 15:47.14 | T0mW | prpplague: I finally figured that would work, maybe, but you have the problem of getting the sqeegee around those posts... |
| 15:47.50 | T0mW | tape, that is the answer. Tape and two small codiment dishes, works well. |
| 15:48.40 | T0mW | or coins, or medallions, anything that weights 1/2 ounce and less than 2 ounces |
| 15:49.47 | T0mW | beeble, I ordered a stencil for a 5.5 X 7 inch board, cost me a total of $60. |
| 15:50.41 | T0mW | beeble: I had the stencil three days later via Express Mail |
| 15:51.13 | beeble | sounds good |
| 15:52.42 | T0mW | The only thing that I'll ever use a paste syringe on will be for the occasional IC replacement / rework. The stencil is a much better way to apply solder paste. More even, and accurate distribution of the solder paste. |
| 15:57.37 | CP|Dresden | What up boys? |
| 15:57.54 | CP|Dresden | Nobody talks in here when you aren't around |
| 15:59.20 | T0mW | CP|Dresden: holidays are over, so it seems that everyone is busy justifying the year-end bonuses? |
| 15:59.22 | prpplague | CP|Dresden: hey bud |
| 15:59.25 | prpplague | CP|Dresden: hows the brew? |
| 15:59.31 | CP|Dresden | tasty |
| 15:59.39 | T0mW | CP|Dresden: how are the women? |
| 15:59.49 | CP|Dresden | Its 1 liter for 3 euros night tonight |
| 16:04.42 | prpplague | CP|Dresden: jeeze |
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| 16:40.14 | T0mW | this is silly. I've been looking at code, etc., for the LPC2000 and noted that it seems most people are slapping a boilerplate copyright notice into every file they make available. |
| 16:41.40 | T0mW | they do this to trivial code and even header files. For example, one guy has this copyright notice in a header file which contains the ARM SOC registers names and bit values. And, it is the exact same verbage was that used in the Philips docs! |
| 16:42.22 | T0mW | How do claim copyright over something that isn't yours? It appears that Microsoft isn't the only one using Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt these days. |
| 16:43.01 | T0mW | One guy is even asserting copyright over uuencode / decode. |
| 16:43.27 | T0mW | </rant> |
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| 16:45.21 | prpplague | T0mW: i think alot of ppl are scared about losing control over work they've done |
| 16:45.25 | prpplague | T0mW: its on my mind |
| 16:45.45 | prpplague | T0mW: i've had three incidents in the last two years where other ppl have claimed my work as theirs |
| 16:53.52 | T0mW | prpplague: this is a reply I got from one of the "offenders", a software company: http://rafb.net/paste/results/HhlkzR60.html |
| 16:54.52 | T0mW | So, they are claiming that "sweat" can create a copyright, regardless of who the original copyright owner is. |
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| 17:24.34 | prpplague | TimRiker: hey tim |
| 17:24.38 | prpplague | TimRiker: how goes it? |
| 17:26.02 | TimRiker | I can't complain, but sometimes I still do. |
| 17:31.06 | T0mW | TimRiker: human nature to complain |
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| 17:56.06 | MarkK | there's a lot of people here |
| 18:01.46 | MarkK | I need a "lite" OS, with a gui, standards based browser, ssh client, and the ability to run from flash |
| 18:02.34 | beeble | familiar? http://familiar.handhelds.org/ |
| 18:03.19 | MarkK | it's x86 platform |
| 18:03.32 | MarkK | but a geode processor |
| 18:03.43 | MarkK | not much cpu performance |
| 18:06.16 | beeble | maybe http://thinstation.sourceforge.net/ |
| 18:14.50 | MarkK | no |
| 18:14.57 | MarkK | i don't need a "thin" client |
| 18:15.06 | MarkK | I need a lite OS, full independent |
| 18:15.09 | MarkK | it has to travel |
| 18:15.17 | MarkK | without network connectivity to run |
| 18:16.04 | beeble | how much flash do you have? |
| 18:19.27 | TimRiker | T0mW: got any recommendations on hardware for a digital phone switch? Ie: a small embedded box that would hook into a few POTS lines and have a number of jacks for phone extensions? |
| 18:19.57 | TimRiker | would also have ethernet to handle VoIP stuff. |
| 18:20.36 | TimRiker | MarkK: checkout the OS used on the Nokia 770. |
| 18:20.56 | TimRiker | or the Qt/E stuff used in OE/OZ/etc |
| 18:21.15 | prpplague | MarkK: there is a complete OE build for the geode |
| 18:21.37 | TimRiker | has anyone integrated the nokia stuff into OE yet? |
| 18:21.53 | TimRiker | that's GTK/dillo perhaps? /me does not recall. |
| 18:22.04 | T0mW | TimRiker: no, I don't do any POTS work, other than simple audio modems. |
| 18:22.53 | prpplague | TimRiker: file would be able to give you some good ideas i would bet |
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| 18:29.31 | mbuf | i am trying to study the flash operations of amd29lv160db, the datasheet doesn't seem to give very detailed info; are there flash specific commands that are not provided in chip datasheets ? |
| 18:30.30 | prpplague | mbuf: amd isn't know for their details in flash datasheets |
| 18:31.41 | mbuf | prpplague, i have the code in u-boot, i can understand it, but, can't figure out how to correlate it with the datasheet info |
| 18:32.34 | mbuf | prpplague, btw, i fixed the macro problem, "mr32 addr, data # [addr]=data" - in GNU as, @ is used as a in-line comment than #, arm assembly uses # Rn operand |
| 18:32.39 | prpplague | mbuf: thats the nor flash on the s3c2410 board? |
| 18:32.48 | mbuf | prpplague, yes |
| 18:33.14 | prpplague | mbuf: that one should be cfi compliant |
| 18:33.24 | mbuf | prpplague, yes it is |
| 18:33.44 | prpplague | mbuf: then you should be able to get the CFI doc for info about the process |
| 18:33.59 | mbuf | prpplague, ohh ok |
| 18:34.34 | prpplague | mbuf: imho 90% of doing embedded level work is knowing where to find the documentation |
| 18:35.35 | mbuf | prpplague, :) |
| 18:42.58 | mbuf | found it, http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/DownloadableAssets/cfi_r20.pdf |
| 18:44.32 | file | how many lines? |
| 18:46.48 | mbuf | also here, http://www.delorie.com/agenda/specs/29220404.pdf |
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| 18:56.18 | TimRiker | file: whatever is a nice price/features break point. |
| 18:57.08 | TimRiker | I can see value in a simple 1 incoming 1 outgoing line box for home users that want to get VoIP. |
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| 18:57.46 | TimRiker | I can also see value in a small office setup. say 4 incoming lines and 8 extensions? |
| 18:58.04 | TimRiker | eep. /me hears lunch calling. |
| 19:03.02 | file | TimRiker: you have heard of Asterisk, right? |
| 19:12.01 | file | I'm ever so mildly amused by Trac |
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| 20:07.33 | TimRiker | file: of course. the thought is to build an embedded server running asterisk, |
| 20:07.43 | file | kk |
| 20:08.15 | file | both Digium and Sangoma have cards for Asterisk for analog deployment, high capacity and low capacity |
| 20:08.51 | prpplague | hehe, i remember using a Sangoma 56k DDS card |
| 20:09.06 | prpplague | and t1 stuff |
| 20:09.26 | prpplague | they worked pretty well, just could not justify the price compared to a standalone device |
| 20:10.43 | TimRiker | file: nod. I was hoping for a stand alone box at a lower price point. |
| 20:13.34 | file | TimRiker: not really |
| 20:13.57 | file | the closest people have come to a stand alone embedded device is a soekris with a digium board in it |
| 20:16.19 | TimRiker | do you think a stand alone could be built for cheaper? |
| 20:16.30 | TimRiker | if so, what hardware would you use? |
| 20:17.22 | TimRiker | I wonder if something like the ti omap would help having a dsp. I don't think the omap offers many input/output channels though and you'd need as many as you could get. |
| 20:17.48 | TimRiker | what do the digium boards use? ie: is there a d/a a/d for each line? |
| 20:29.33 | pb_ | The Digium boards certainly aren't all that cheap per port. From what I remember, you can buy a 2xFXS+1xFXO ATA from, say, Grandstream for about the price of a single channel on a tdm400. |
| 20:29.59 | pb_ | I daresay you could make something cheaper than a digium tdm card if you wanted just a few ports - say, four - on an embedded-type system. |
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| 20:42.51 | khem | Can anyone help with debugging linux wit JTAG debuggers |
| 20:43.24 | prpplague | khem: depends on which debugger you are using |
| 20:43.34 | prpplague | khem: you might get more assistance in #openjtag |
| 20:44.12 | khem | prpplague: I am using ARM ICE and RealView Debugger on Versatile 926 Ref board |
| 20:45.15 | prpplague | khem: hmm, can't say i've used that one |
| 20:45.21 | prpplague | khem: might try the openjtag guys |
| 20:45.36 | prpplague | khem: what are you actually debugging? |
| 20:46.31 | khem | I am debugging thumb applications segfaults so I am able to launch the kernel image from JTAG |
| 20:46.42 | khem | but it does not stop on exceptions |
| 20:46.58 | khem | and also not on H/W break points that I am setting. |
| 20:47.15 | khem | I can restart/stop the target |
| 20:47.27 | T0mW | debugging from Flash? |
| 20:47.50 | T0mW | or is your code in RAM? |
| 20:47.54 | khem | T0mW: no its downloaded |
| 20:47.56 | khem | to RAM |
| 20:48.07 | T0mW | shrug, mine works |
| 20:48.12 | T0mW | must be a config problem |
| 20:48.32 | khem | T0mW: Do you use uboot to download image |
| 20:48.35 | T0mW | did you try contacting their tech support people, those are commercial products |
| 20:48.46 | khem | T0mW: or do you download the image from RV Debugger |
| 20:49.12 | T0mW | I know that my Abatron unit has specific steps to be used with the linux kernel. |
| 20:49.28 | khem | T0mW: I have option to use abatron as well |
| 20:49.33 | T0mW | I use insight |
| 20:49.46 | khem | T0mW: Can I debug an application using abatron |
| 20:49.54 | T0mW | IIRC, Realview is ARM Ltd debugger? |
| 20:50.05 | khem | someone told me that it is good for kernel debugging |
| 20:50.10 | khem | yes it is from ARM ltd |
| 20:50.15 | T0mW | nod |
| 20:50.33 | T0mW | ANY hardware jtag unit is "good for kernel debugging" |
| 20:51.12 | khem | T0mW: my scenario is that I am getting a segfault in bash bug the back trace is showing me that pc is pointing in stack |
| 20:51.17 | khem | so no back trace |
| 20:51.30 | T0mW | but, as I said, there was a section in the Abatron manual which told me "how" to use the Abatron to debug the linux kernel. It is not the same as debugging an application. |
| 20:52.26 | khem | T0mW: So i Want to stop in bash/code essentially not in kernel |
| 20:52.56 | T0mW | I don't know of anyone here that uses RealView + MultiICE, mostly Abatron or Lauterbach |
| 20:53.02 | khem | but for me gdb/gdbserver is also segfaulting so I can not use application debugger |
| 20:53.40 | khem | I am bringing up a system with thumb mode applications |
| 20:54.16 | T0mW | how does the system work when compiled as ARM32? |
| 20:55.35 | khem | works ok |
| 20:55.45 | T0mW | I believe that you are going to run into some interesting problems with Thumb code + Linux, AFAIK, the kernel would still have to be ARM32 not Thumb. |
| 20:56.05 | khem | I can trace down to some PLT entries but thats all and its a guess too |
| 20:56.32 | T0mW | is the kernel compiled as thumb or arm32? |
| 20:56.34 | khem | T0mW: kernel is compiled in ARM mode but it can support running thumb binaries |
| 20:56.59 | T0mW | correct, it can, IF you do a mode switch on the processor (bx) |
| 20:58.03 | T0mW | before you make your system calls from within the app / libraries, you have to switch from Thumb to ARM32 mode, call the ARM32 kernel, then resume thumb mode after the syscall |
| 20:58.41 | T0mW | there is no thumb support in the kernel, mode switching or otherwise |
| 21:00.01 | khem | yes that part is done in uclibc, this may also have problems |
| 21:00.32 | T0mW | I suspect so. |
| 21:00.57 | T0mW | a libary |
| 21:01.00 | T0mW | such as newlib |
| 21:01.08 | khem | T0mW: I have to run to a meeting thanks for your help so far |
| 21:02.03 | T0mW | detects the ARM state during the incoming call (entry to the lib), then switches CPU to appropriate mode that the library is compiled in: interworking |
| 21:34.00 | file[laptop] | ack I'm back |
| 21:34.08 | file[laptop] | TimRiker: I'm focused, let's carry on a conversation |
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| 23:25.24 | Genesis | bonne nuit |
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