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| 00:29.40 | CosmicPenguin | Ok, today was a wicked long coding session |
| 00:29.45 | CosmicPenguin | I'm ready to go drinking |
| 00:29.47 | CosmicPenguin | so I will |
| 00:29.48 | CosmicPenguin | .... |
| 00:29.54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 00:30.00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: later |
| 00:33.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: fun fun |
| 00:33.40 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: whatcha gonna drink? |
| 00:37.44 | CosmicPenguin | beer |
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| 00:40.10 | kergoth | prpplague, CosmicPenguin: accepted the job :) |
| 00:41.02 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: excellent |
| 00:41.21 | CosmicPenguin | due to the nature of the gig however, you probably won't get to talk to us during the day any more... |
| 00:41.58 | prpplague | kergoth: oh which gig? |
| 00:42.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: duh, i assumed beer |
| 00:42.08 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: which beer |
| 00:42.37 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I have some Flying Dog in the fridge |
| 00:42.40 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: heh, good point |
| 00:42.48 | kergoth | prpplague: the job at the place russ works, working on land warrior |
| 00:43.21 | prpplague | kergoth: ahh cool |
| 00:43.30 | prpplague | kergoth: you were able to get a background check? |
| 00:43.47 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: its a variety pack, but I think I have at least one of these in there: |
| 00:43.49 | CosmicPenguin | http://ratebeer.com/Beer/flying-dog-doggie-style-classic-pale-ale/683/ |
| 00:43.58 | prpplague | kergoth: its in az right |
| 00:44.07 | kergoth | prpplague: shouldnt be a problem. they're doing the basic felony check and stuff to start with |
| 00:44.07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea had that one before |
| 00:44.14 | kergoth | yep, scottsdale, suburb of phoenix i think |
| 00:44.51 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: ritzy part to boot |
| 00:44.57 | kergoth | is it? |
| 00:44.59 | kergoth | never been to az |
| 00:45.01 | CosmicPenguin | yep |
| 00:45.11 | CosmicPenguin | There's a pretty cool martini bar there called the Devil's Martini |
| 00:46.43 | prpplague | hehe this is what i wrote about flying dog |
| 00:46.46 | prpplague | "definetly a buy again brew. nice aroma with a copper red color, mild flavor with ciric overtones, and a mild finish. this is a little light on the hops, but this is a brew i'd by a six pack of just to drink at leisure." |
| 00:47.34 | CosmicPenguin | The ratebeer was mean to in heat wheat, but I rather enjoy it |
| 00:47.48 | CosmicPenguin | Not my favorite colorado beer by far, but its not bad |
| 00:49.17 | CosmicPenguin | This is my current favorite local beer: http://ratebeer.com/beer/left-hand-milk-stout/12028/ |
| 00:50.09 | CosmicPenguin | http://ratebeer.com/Beer/boulder-beer-hazed-&-infused/16129/ |
| 00:50.10 | CosmicPenguin | That one too |
| 00:50.14 | CosmicPenguin | mmmm... sounds tasty |
| 00:50.17 | prpplague | looks taste |
| 00:50.21 | CosmicPenguin | I might have to stop off at the ol' liquor store |
| 00:51.15 | CosmicPenguin | Ok, I really am going home now |
| 00:51.29 | CosmicPenguin | later prpplague, contrats kergoth, shame on the rest of you for not talking |
| 00:55.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: later |
| 00:56.04 | file[laptop] | talk is overrated |
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| 01:19.40 | vittorio | the slides at free-electron.com are great! |
| 01:21.46 | vittorio | on slide says: "Nand Flash Translation Layer In the USA, can only be used on DiskOnChip hardware" due to patents |
| 01:22.33 | vittorio | so there could be patent problems selling a ARM system with NAND flash? |
| 01:24.46 | prpplague | vittorio: no nand flash is fine, its only if you use the proprietary NFTL |
| 01:24.59 | prpplague | vittorio: you would be able to get a clearer answer on the mtd mailing list |
| 01:25.03 | prpplague | vittorio: or on #mtd |
| 01:25.14 | prpplague | vittorio: #mtd is a low volume channel |
| 01:25.46 | vittorio | ok, google will help me too with NFLT patent mtd keywords probably, thanks |
| 01:26.34 | Crofton | hmm, kergoth who is the employer? |
| 01:33.04 | MonMotha | grr |
| 01:33.09 | MonMotha | anyone know if rat shack still sells cooling fans |
| 01:33.51 | prpplague | MonMotha: yea i think they still do |
| 01:33.57 | prpplague | MonMotha: but the selection is limited |
| 01:34.14 | MonMotha | well, I think my Athlon would like to have a working fan, even if it is from a limited selection |
| 01:34.50 | prpplague | MonMotha: got most of my usb stuff working |
| 01:34.58 | prpplague | MonMotha: using libusb instead of usbnet |
| 01:41.57 | vittorio | ah ok, so theres no problem when using JFFS2 with NAND (which we do) |
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| 01:59.47 | MonMotha | prpplague: good to hear. I was always under the impression that the usbnet driver may have been a bit flakey/picky |
| 02:00.02 | MonMotha | When I used it with my ipaq, it would only work if I did not include a hub |
| 02:01.13 | prpplague | MonMotha: yea, i had ton of problems with it |
| 02:01.49 | prpplague | MonMotha: you can't do heavy traffic with the sa-1110 udc |
| 02:01.57 | prpplague | MonMotha: or else the host control freaks out |
| 02:05.01 | MonMotha | prpplague: I'd be tempted to revise that to "you can't do anything with the sa-1110 udc" based on what I've heard, but due to my lack of direct experience with it, I'll withold that comment |
| 02:05.45 | MonMotha | and yes, rat shack had a single suitable fan. Unfortunately it was attached to a crap-ass heatsink (which I'm not using) and ran me $20 for the assembyl |
| 02:06.13 | prpplague | jeeze |
| 02:06.27 | prpplague | MonMotha: yea, i had to do all kinds of software tricks to get this udc to work |
| 02:07.55 | MonMotha | that and the other proc's fan is not sounding too good |
| 02:08.05 | MonMotha | I'll likely replace them both when I get a chance to buy fans at a reasonable price |
| 02:08.19 | MonMotha | I swear, if I could get a fan with an unconditional lifetime warranty, I'd do it even at $50 for the damn fan |
| 02:08.24 | MonMotha | I'd probably get my money's worth, too |
| 02:08.49 | prpplague | hehe |
| 02:09.13 | MonMotha | and yeah, I've been told that using the SA-1110 udc amounts to "perform register write, read register, compare to written value, loop if not equal" |
| 02:09.25 | prpplague | hehe yea |
| 02:09.45 | MonMotha | iirc, the hh.org bootloader has a procedure that's named something like "bang_udc_register" |
| 02:09.47 | prpplague | i basically had to add in some cksum's to my data |
| 02:10.07 | prpplague | MonMotha: hehe massive attack i think it was called |
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| 02:13.16 | prpplague | MonMotha: later |
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| 02:17.46 | MonMotha | wow, I no longer get ABC at all |
| 02:18.00 | MonMotha | there is no ABC affiliate in town, and the nearest one refuses to let the cableco pull their signal |
| 02:18.21 | MonMotha | I guess I could go put a giant log periodic up on the ham radio club's tower and point it at Indy |
| 02:22.59 | Crofton | satellilite |
| 02:30.05 | MonMotha | Crofton: from a dorm room? |
| 02:30.33 | MonMotha | I've been tempted to do some stuff, but I'll have to get the ham club's dish mounted first |
| 02:30.41 | MonMotha | I'm ops for the club, so I can do pretty much whatever I want |
| 02:45.43 | Crofton | heh |
| 02:45.48 | Crofton | What club? |
| 02:46.12 | Crofton | although f yuor window faces the right way, you could point the dish out the window |
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| 03:40.29 | Russ | kergoth: cool :) |
| 03:54.43 | MonMotha | Crofton: the amateur radio club |
| 03:54.52 | MonMotha | and I'm practically underground |
| 03:55.08 | MonMotha | first floor, slightly below grade, have another building blocking me |
| 03:55.20 | MonMotha | I have to do some weird antenna placement just to get terrestrial digital |
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| 06:33.51 | Russ | hey TimRiker |
| 06:34.01 | Russ | you won't need to be writing that letter btw |
| 06:57.58 | Russ | because he already accepted the position |
| 06:58.06 | Russ | btw, you interested in coming on board? |
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| 07:35.48 | TimRiker | probably not at present. I'm eager to see the project I'm on actually get out the door. |
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| 07:49.12 | Russ | I know that feeling |
| 07:49.50 | Russ | we'll probably be getting the work for future force warrior as well, so we'll be around for a while |
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| 08:37.57 | kergoth | Russ: looks like working on that stuff could be fun. how's the work environment, dress code and such? |
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| 11:53.22 | prp_away | Russ: that stuff you're working on looks pretty cool, kinda wish i'd gotten involved in that myself |
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| 14:34.49 | prpplague | i really hate buggy interfaces |
| 14:37.51 | MonMotha | prpplague: you and me both |
| 14:38.00 | MonMotha | the original EZ-USB has some...issues |
| 14:38.20 | prpplague | MonMotha: i'm still having a few problems with getting a frame error |
| 14:38.33 | prpplague | MonMotha: trying to figure out a good way to recover and continue |
| 14:39.16 | MonMotha | not sure what to tell you really. I didn't have any problems on the host side |
| 14:40.19 | Crofton | MonMotha, what amateur radio club? |
| 14:40.39 | MonMotha | Crofton: The Rose-Tech Radio Club. Station call is W9NAA |
| 14:40.53 | Crofton | I'm K4EP |
| 14:41.29 | MonMotha | fun stuff |
| 14:41.43 | MonMotha | incidentally, if you hear that call on the air, it's probably me, at least on HF |
| 14:42.09 | Crofton | heh |
| 14:42.32 | Crofton | The locall college station actually called me during 10m contest :) |
| 14:42.35 | Crofton | that was weird |
| 14:46.24 | MonMotha | we've called the local regional club |
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| 15:09.16 | Crofton | kergoth, who is the new job with? |
| 15:11.46 | kergoth | Crofton: a subcontractor thats doing some of the work for the guys who have the land warrior contract |
| 15:12.08 | Crofton | hmm future combat system? |
| 15:12.17 | kergoth | actually, i'm going through a contracting company, not working for them directly.. so i'm like 3 companies removed from the actual government |
| 15:12.18 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:12.24 | Crofton | heh |
| 15:12.45 | Crofton | http://www.novalogic.com/games/DFLW/ |
| 15:13.02 | Crofton | we do stuff related to the joint tactical radio system |
| 15:13.05 | Crofton | er JTRS |
| 15:13.22 | Crofton | it may come up, along with a bunch of people giggling |
| 15:13.27 | prpplague | kergoth: i thought most of those jobs required a degree? |
| 15:14.00 | Crofton | I suspect the three degrees of seperation from the prime reducdes that requirement |
| 15:14.16 | prpplague | Crofton: ? |
| 15:14.31 | kergoth | right, the subcontractor wouldnt have direct hired me without a degree |
| 15:14.32 | Crofton | he is going through a contracting co |
| 15:14.45 | Crofton | so if he scews up, it is easy to "dispose" of him |
| 15:15.44 | Crofton | http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/land-warrior.htm |
| 15:16.03 | prpplague | ahh |
| 15:16.17 | beeble | i want a pair of this glasses! ;) |
| 15:16.56 | beeble | http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/land-warrior-lwc.jpg hmm, maybe not |
| 15:17.29 | prpplague | shame |
| 15:17.42 | Crofton | looks like a super laser tag outfit |
| 15:17.45 | prpplague | if i'd known that i would have tried for several of the jobs for that project |
| 15:18.07 | kergoth | http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/issues/2003/Nov/Land_Warrior.htm |
| 15:18.29 | Crofton | they have noted batteries are a problem :) |
| 15:18.43 | kergoth | prpplague: multiple people there expected the lack of a degree to be an issue, including russ. i was surprised that it didnt seem to be |
| 15:18.56 | beeble | dont you have any personal problems to work on military projects? |
| 15:19.25 | prpplague | kergoth: hmm, shame, since i have army experience, i figured it would be a good match |
| 15:19.33 | kergoth | not particularly. getting security clearance will open up a number of positions in the future |
| 15:19.37 | Crofton | I like the switch to linux |
| 15:19.39 | prpplague | kergoth: hehe, i even trained at benning |
| 15:19.51 | beeble | personal as in ethical values i mean |
| 15:20.00 | kergoth | ah. |
| 15:20.10 | Crofton | eventually you get over the ethics issues, because you need the money ... |
| 15:20.29 | kergoth | i don't really have any ethical issues with it. |
| 15:20.37 | Crofton | and you have to divorce the idiots in charge from the people doing the work |
| 15:20.52 | prpplague | what ethical values would prevent you from doing work for the military? |
| 15:21.16 | chouimat | Labor: The process by which A aquiere properties for B |
| 15:21.20 | Crofton | desire not to suppprt cray people deciding what to do with it |
| 15:21.41 | Crofton | but in the end, I suspect mmore benfit comes from may defense programs than harm |
| 15:21.53 | Crofton | many defense programs |
| 15:22.00 | prpplague | i see |
| 15:22.03 | beeble | the thing that i know that my stuff will maybe used to kill other ppl |
| 15:22.11 | beeble | its hard to decide i know |
| 15:22.40 | Crofton | on the other hand, if the guys sent in harms way have better stuff, it may save people |
| 15:22.53 | kergoth | indeed, it could certainly help keep /our/ people safe |
| 15:22.54 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:23.00 | kergoth | i have no issues with it |
| 15:23.02 | kergoth | morning chouimat |
| 15:23.08 | prpplague | beeble: not so hard for me as i served in the army for 4 years, so i would have no issues |
| 15:23.38 | Crofton | Consider mounting specializ wireless access point on roombas |
| 15:23.41 | kergoth | i was one signature away from signing myself into the navy's nuclear program 4 or 5 years back |
| 15:23.46 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:23.50 | Crofton | and having them position more maximum data flow through the network |
| 15:23.55 | beeble | my 8 months in the army was more then enough for me |
| 15:24.04 | Crofton | and having them re-position on faults |
| 15:24.23 | prpplague | beeble: for which army? hehe |
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| 15:24.58 | beeble | prpplague: austrian, so maybe it doesnt count ;) |
| 15:25.59 | Crofton | a friend of my wifes family had some funny stories about the his time in the polish army during communism |
| 15:25.59 | chouimat | kergoth: www.askmen.com/jokes/current/index.html <--- good one |
| 15:26.01 | Crofton | like his gf (now wife) finding them on manuevers and delivering his winter clothing and liquor |
| 15:26.26 | prpplague | Crofton: hehe, actually i have a few stories similiar with the US army |
| 15:26.45 | Crofton | I suspect most armies are similar |
| 15:27.18 | chouimat | Crofton: ehe |
| 15:27.31 | prpplague | Crofton: had my bring us pizza once while we were in the field training |
| 15:28.07 | kergoth | chouimat: haha |
| 15:28.12 | beeble | and i just asked because i didnt took a job because it was a ethical problem for me. so i dont blame you, im just curios ;) |
| 15:28.14 | Crofton | apparently his wife found them on "secret" manuevers :)they were surpised she found them |
| 15:28.22 | Crofton | she was about 19 I think |
| 15:28.33 | chouimat | kergoth: Sort of like The Lost Cuntinent... |
| 15:29.36 | Crofton | kergoth, please ask them why the radio isn't jtrs compliant :) |
| 15:35.31 | chouimat | wow a new level of geekdom http://nerfhaven.com/mods/ |
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| 15:58.49 | prpplague | MonMotha: ping |
| 15:58.56 | MonMotha | pong |
| 15:58.56 | MonMotha | ? |
| 15:59.10 | prpplague | MonMotha: hey, wanted to run something by you |
| 15:59.11 | MonMotha | and I'm not sure is my answer to your above question |
| 15:59.39 | prpplague | MonMotha: here is what i'm looking to do |
| 16:00.00 | prpplague | MonMotha: basically add a character device node thats connected to the usb |
| 16:00.08 | prpplague | MonMotha: similiar to the usb-char driver |
| 16:00.17 | prpplague | MonMotha: on the the slave |
| 16:00.53 | prpplague | MonMotha: have a daemon listening to the char node and basically taking requests to send/recieve data |
| 16:00.57 | MonMotha | hum, I'm not very familiar with the "linux on the slave device" situation |
| 16:01.04 | prpplague | ahh |
| 16:01.08 | prpplague | MonMotha: oh well then |
| 16:01.13 | MonMotha | my work has mostly been with linux as the host |
| 16:01.17 | prpplague | ahh |
| 16:01.22 | MonMotha | something far more embedded than Linux on the device :) |
| 16:01.30 | prpplague | maybe someone else who's listening might comment |
| 16:01.39 | prpplague | MonMotha: hehe yea |
| 16:01.42 | MonMotha | let's just say the software that runs on the device I wrote a driver for is written entirely in assembly :) |
| 16:02.18 | prpplague | MonMotha: really into pain i gather? |
| 16:14.15 | MonMotha | prpplague: well, it's small enough to not really matter |
| 16:14.17 | prpplague | ok i've now reflashed my device 300 times since 6am |
| 16:14.32 | MonMotha | I think the entire firmware binary is < 1.5kB, and like 400 bytes of it is strings |
| 16:15.28 | prpplague | MonMotha: nice |
| 16:15.33 | prpplague | MonMotha: which ez-usb device are you using? |
| 16:16.45 | MonMotha | the old one that got EOL'd from underneath me with no warning |
| 16:16.59 | MonMotha | AN2131 |
| 16:18.50 | prpplague | MonMotha: sorry i meant what development board and/or hardware |
| 16:19.04 | MonMotha | oh, I had a USB I2C/IO |
| 16:19.13 | prpplague | ahh |
| 16:19.13 | MonMotha | pretty minimal, but a lot cheaper than Cypress's |
| 16:19.18 | prpplague | MonMotha: url? |
| 16:19.26 | MonMotha | google usb i2cio |
| 16:20.21 | prpplague | ahh yea i think i have that one listed on the wiki |
| 16:20.35 | MonMotha | I'd not recommend it for new designs |
| 16:20.39 | MonMotha | the chips on that thing are hard to come by |
| 16:20.49 | MonMotha | Cypress EOL'd them with no warning, no last buy, no nothing |
| 16:21.00 | MonMotha | one day it was good for new designs, the next EOL and nobody carried it |
| 16:21.00 | prpplague | yea i have that one listed |
| 16:21.18 | prpplague | MonMotha: this is what i have - http://www.the-console-corner.com/shop/product.php?productid=6546 |
| 16:21.51 | prpplague | basically identical to several of the dev boards |
| 16:21.58 | MonMotha | ah |
| 16:22.19 | MonMotha | kinda like how if you wanted to develop for that one Cirrus ARM chip, the Webpal was basically a production run of their dev board :) |
| 16:22.29 | prpplague | yea |
| 16:22.57 | prpplague | all the i/o is either on the cardedge slot or has solder pads on the pcb |
| 16:23.17 | prpplague | they did a great joke on the pcb for hackers |
| 16:23.57 | prpplague | MonMotha: i have a good list of hackables and dev boards - http://www.elinux.org/wiki/EzUsb |
| 16:31.07 | prpplague | 312 times now |
| 16:41.39 | prpplague | 322 times now |
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| 16:52.22 | kergoth | http://www.askmen.com/jokes/2005_dec/dec31.html |
| 16:54.34 | prpplague | kergoth: cute |
| 16:56.09 | epcylum | hi |
| 16:57.10 | epcylum | anyone have trouble using diethotplug w/buildroot? |
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| 17:49.47 | prpplague | argh!!!! |
| 17:49.53 | prpplague | desk |
| 17:49.58 | prpplague | this usb crap is driving me nuts |
| 17:50.07 | prpplague | i can't usb-char working |
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| 18:13.44 | prpplague | T0mW: mainly if its using an old kernel and sa-1110 |
| 18:16.38 | prpplague | the freaking driver isn't accepting a new address |
| 18:20.58 | file | it obviously hates you |
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| 20:50.09 | chouimat | kergoth`bbl: prpplague http://www.missnorway.no/missnorway/model.asp |
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| 23:26.19 | vittorio | did anybody already tried to compile xpilots for 770? |
| 23:26.30 | vittorio | sry, wrong channel |
| 23:35.45 | vittorio | MonMotha, did i understand this correct, you developed the USB-I2C I/O? |
| 23:40.47 | vittorio | nm. reading again, you used it for development |
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