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| 01:32.35 | SGM | hi guys |
| 01:32.41 | SGM | a quick question |
| 01:32.54 | SGM | I was forwarded here from #uclibc |
| 01:33.16 | SGM | I compiled an environment using buildroot |
| 01:33.29 | SGM | but I can't load modules |
| 01:33.34 | SGM | when I do a depmod -a |
| 01:33.48 | SGM | it tells me there are unresolved symbols |
| 01:35.02 | SGM | does enybody know what's the problem? |
| 01:35.23 | T0mW | no |
| 01:35.40 | jacques | that's a kernel issue |
| 01:36.13 | SGM | hmm... what may cause it? |
| 01:36.49 | T0mW | did you check the kernel symbols file? are they truely missing? |
| 01:37.19 | jacques | it's like asking what could case a segfault |
| 01:37.51 | T0mW | SGM: you on a linux box right now? |
| 01:38.22 | SGM | T0mW: yes, I have it running on a vmware |
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| 01:39.13 | T0mW | ok, then where the boot kernel is located (vmlinuz) you'll find a file called "system.map" or "system.map-blah-blah-version" |
| 01:39.31 | SGM | yeah, I have a system.map |
| 01:39.40 | T0mW | SGM, look at the file. it is the known public symbols of the kernel |
| 01:39.49 | SGM | yes, I know that |
| 01:39.55 | SGM | the symbols are there |
| 01:40.39 | T0mW | that's as far as I can take you then. |
| 01:41.14 | SGM | hmm... I'm booting from a virtual cd |
| 01:41.28 | SGM | and my system.map file is in /boot + a link in / |
| 01:41.32 | SGM | on the root fs |
| 01:41.45 | T0mW | I generally don't do modules with embedded linux. I incorporate the code into the kernel |
| 01:42.09 | T0mW | SGM: you write this module yourself? |
| 01:42.16 | SGM | no |
| 01:42.17 | SGM | :) |
| 01:42.34 | SGM | I'm trying to load the fusion module from directfb |
| 01:42.56 | T0mW | what is that, a binary only module, no source? |
| 01:43.36 | jacques | directfb is open source |
| 01:43.49 | SGM | source |
| 01:43.54 | T0mW | if you have the module source, compile it in as a non-module. |
| 01:44.54 | T0mW | however, you must be sure that the module source is for the version of kernel you want to use it for. Linux is a moving target, things change rapidly in the 2.6 kernel. |
| 01:45.21 | SGM | well it compiles with the 2.4 headers |
| 01:45.26 | T0mW | if the source is not in the kernel distribution (from ftp.kernel.org), then you can run into various issues |
| 01:45.38 | SGM | I also had the same problem trying to load the vmnet virtual net module |
| 01:46.02 | T0mW | what is the version of the running kernel on the system? |
| 01:46.02 | SGM | and I'm using a vanilla kernel |
| 01:46.06 | SGM | 2.4.31 |
| 01:46.38 | T0mW | you may have to try dropping back to something like 2.4.21 or 2.4.16 etc. |
| 01:47.08 | SGM | I don't think the problem is with the kernel version itself... |
| 01:47.33 | T0mW | AYMK, there are no pat answers to a compile / link problem, you really have to "be there" |
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| 01:48.28 | T0mW | so, if it is not a problem with the kernel version, why not include the code into the kernel: non module? |
| 01:49.40 | T0mW | hang it into the kernel tree, add a config option, then re-compile the kernel |
| 01:50.57 | SGM | this is the next thing I'm gonna try |
| 01:51.25 | SGM | but first I really want to know why it doesn't want to load... :/ |
| 01:52.32 | T0mW | the mind reels with possiblities |
| 01:53.14 | T0mW | why isn't the fusion driver part of the kernel anyway? Poison license? |
| 01:54.04 | T0mW | what a minute, why are you using buildroot to build this module?! |
| 01:55.17 | T0mW | you don't build kernels / modules for systems with buildroot. buildroot is designed specifically to function as a cross-platform development environment: e.g. building an ARM kernel on a PC. |
| 02:00.05 | SGM | I wanted to make a small environment |
| 02:00.10 | SGM | that's why I used buildroot |
| 02:01.12 | T0mW | "small environment" ? |
| 02:02.06 | T0mW | I'm about ready to start work for the night..................... |
| 02:04.11 | SGM | yeah, something like small linux installation where I can test software |
| 02:05.03 | T0mW | like I said, buildroot is a cross platform development environ. |
| 02:05.59 | Russ | too bad qemu isn't up to par yet |
| 02:06.11 | Russ | doesn't vmware have a user-net thing like qemu? |
| 02:07.00 | jacques | Russ, qemu isn't u pto par in what way? |
| 02:07.09 | Russ | speed |
| 02:07.40 | jacques | ah yeah, compared to vmware |
| 02:08.12 | Russ | I don't know whether or not to be pissed off at qemu, or winxp |
| 02:08.22 | Russ | I did a winxp install and patch install in qemu |
| 02:08.35 | Russ | onto a real drive (ie, hda=/dev/hdc |
| 02:09.04 | Russ | then, when I boot the drive, windows just resets the computer when it tries to load |
| 02:09.45 | jacques | :-\ |
| 02:10.11 | Russ | last thing I see if I boot to safe mode is mup.sys |
| 02:10.24 | Russ | which is aparently the last thing windows loads before it "initializes hardware" |
| 02:10.40 | Russ | everymessage board out there has about 80 different "solutions" to fix the problem |
| 02:11.07 | jacques | argh |
| 02:14.28 | Russ | btw, I heard someone mentioning 2.4.x |
| 02:18.39 | Russ | don't forget that there was a fix in the 2.6.11 timeframe for ARM dealing with page table mappings |
| 02:18.48 | Russ | probably fixed in 2.4.something... |
| 02:30.28 | Russ | "[ARM] Fix slab corruption issues triggered with pud_t integration." |
| 02:30.48 | Russ | (check that PMD_SHIFT == 21,not 20 |
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| 02:35.23 | Russ | er |
| 02:35.31 | Russ | scratch that, it isn't fixed in 2.4.x |
| 02:35.37 | Russ | maybe someone should mention something |
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| 02:49.54 | T0mW | Russ: you know how it goes, if you say something needs be done, then you've volunteered to do it |
| 02:55.17 | Russ | eh, I just ssent an email ot |
| 02:55.24 | Russ | er, out |
| 02:55.31 | Russ | I really don't care about 2.4 |
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| 04:51.43 | fishhead | TOOKIE, TOOOKIE, GOING TO GET POISON COOKIE |
| 05:03.26 | Russ | C IS FOR COOKIE, THATS GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME, COOKIE COOKIE COOKIE |
| 05:24.01 | cdm | C++ is for ROOKIES, ROOKIE ROOKIE ROOKIE |
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| 06:04.05 | fishhead | http://news.com.com/RIP%2C+iPod+Mini+No+way%2C+fans+say/2100-1041_3-5991748.html?tag=nefd.lede <--- GAY! |
| 06:26.57 | cdm | nah |
| 06:26.59 | cdm | great! |
| 06:27.01 | cdm | buy lots of ipods |
| 06:41.25 | fishhead | http://belles.rebelles.free.fr/Rachel_Bilson.jpg <--- THAT IS JUST GROSSLY UNFAIR, AND WOMAN SAY THAT MEN HAVE MORE POWER? |
| 06:41.47 | fishhead | opps sorry forgot I was in this channel :P |
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| 08:50.03 | LinuxCart | Hello everybody |
| 08:52.30 | Krill | hi |
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| 11:52.38 | LinuxCart | buenas... |
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| 13:33.44 | chouimat | morning |
| 13:34.33 | LinuxCart | hi |
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| 15:30.26 | prpplague | ho ho fsckin ho |
| 15:37.29 | CosmicPenguin | bastid |
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| 15:47.58 | LinuxCart | prpplague: how's going your usb¿? |
| 15:49.33 | prpplague | :( |
| 15:49.37 | prpplague | LinuxCart: its not |
| 15:49.50 | prpplague | i've tried everything i can think of to make it more stable |
| 15:50.04 | prpplague | nothing seems to work |
| 15:53.53 | LinuxCart | oh! |
| 15:54.13 | LinuxCart | if it is a HW problem, solution is mainly HW |
| 15:54.28 | LinuxCart | and doing HW withouth redoing is quite difficult |
| 15:54.37 | MonMotha | prpplague: still doing the same thing as before? |
| 15:54.40 | LinuxCart | have you tried better grounding |
| 15:54.45 | LinuxCart | ¿? |
| 15:55.02 | MonMotha | have you implemented all the SA-1110 UDC workarounds (presumably, if it's running linux) |
| 15:55.45 | prpplague | MonMotha: all the ones i could find |
| 15:55.51 | prpplague | MonMotha: do you have a list of them? |
| 15:56.02 | MonMotha | prpplague: Intel does, somewher |
| 15:56.12 | MonMotha | I have a hardcopy of the spec update at home |
| 15:56.24 | prpplague | MonMotha: i think thats what i have but i will double check |
| 15:56.26 | MonMotha | it's in one of the numerous SA-1110 specification updates |
| 15:56.51 | MonMotha | details the "spin on the register, writing and reading it, until it takes the value you just poked it with" workaround, amongst others |
| 15:56.51 | prpplague | MonMotha: yea well, i'm totally frustrated |
| 15:57.06 | MonMotha | well, the SA-1110 UDC is rather broken |
| 15:57.10 | prpplague | MonMotha: yea, well i'm using stock linux code for this |
| 15:57.26 | MonMotha | I think Linux implements all the recommended workarounds, but I'm not sure of that |
| 15:57.56 | prpplague | MonMotha: yea there are a number of comments to that effect |
| 15:58.39 | MonMotha | check with Joshua Wise in #handhelds.org |
| 15:58.45 | MonMotha | he hacked the crap out of the SA-1110 UDC a while back |
| 15:59.44 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: you're doing UDC? |
| 16:00.00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea |
| 16:00.07 | CosmicPenguin | Wow - good luck with all of that |
| 16:00.29 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea the details are even worse |
| 16:00.36 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: giant deal depending on it |
| 16:00.36 | MonMotha | prpplague: try forcing the host to give the SA-1110 device data in smaller hunks, if possible |
| 16:00.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: and i can't change any of the legacy hardware |
| 16:01.01 | prpplague | MonMotha: yea, i've been tinkering with the values |
| 16:01.09 | prpplague | MonMotha: i set the mtu's pretty low |
| 16:01.15 | prpplague | MonMotha: still have a problem |
| 16:01.33 | prpplague | MonMotha: changed the rsize and wsize down, but still getting the problem |
| 16:01.44 | prpplague | MonMotha: even tried going through a usb hub |
| 16:02.15 | MonMotha | hum, I always had problems if I placed a hub between my PC and my ipaq |
| 16:02.20 | MonMotha | random disconnects, just like you're getting |
| 16:02.33 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: well, when that all crashes and burns, have your client turn to the AU1200 where we are very happily doing both UDC and OTG.... :p |
| 16:03.12 | MonMotha | prpplague: most of my experience with this stuff is with my ipaq |
| 16:04.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: going with the s3c2410 which works fine |
| 16:04.49 | prpplague | MonMotha: yea, i figured as much |
| 16:04.59 | prpplague | MonMotha: but it should be pretty similiar |
| 16:09.50 | MonMotha | yes |
| 16:16.34 | prpplague | its gonna take me a week to check for all these errata items |
| 16:16.53 | prpplague | MonMotha: which kernel were you using with your ipaq stuff? |
| 16:20.39 | MonMotha | I think it was a 2.4.18-rmk<something>-hh<something> |
| 16:20.45 | MonMotha | one of the later rmks |
| 16:21.04 | MonMotha | and yes, there is a TON of errata on the SA-1110 UDC |
| 16:21.46 | MonMotha | well, my bank just pissed me the hell off |
| 16:21.52 | MonMotha | they decided to sign me up for a bunch of spam |
| 16:22.01 | MonMotha | there is at least a (presumably working) opt-out link, but they shouldn't do that |
| 16:22.22 | MonMotha | they ahve my email for online banking only, and in fact in their original privacy policy said they'd never share it outside their company |
| 16:22.32 | MonMotha | I'm half tempted to walk in and close out my account just to send them a message |
| 16:22.38 | MonMotha | there's plenty of other banks in the area |
| 16:23.24 | MonMotha | "Your request has been received and will be honored within 10 business days. ", alright, they just lost my account |
| 16:23.36 | MonMotha | not that they probably care |
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| 16:27.31 | thraxisp | 'morning, Are there any recommendations for an IPSEC implementation that runs on uClinux 2.4 and ARM? |
| 16:28.00 | prpplague | MonMotha: can't seem to find any source for the hh.o kernel 2.4.19 |
| 16:30.01 | MonMotha | prpplague: there should be a CVS repository on hh.org |
| 16:30.36 | prpplague | MonMotha: found a snapshot |
| 16:30.47 | prpplague | MonMotha: i have trouble navigating hh.o sometimes |
| 16:31.03 | MonMotha | hh.org changes a lot |
| 16:39.03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: btw some interesting tid bits |
| 16:39.11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: radio shack is now selling PICS |
| 16:39.15 | CosmicPenguin | yep |
| 16:39.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: and ..... |
| 16:39.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: guess who i saw over the weekend? |
| 16:39.50 | prpplague | hehe, someone i never in my life thought i'd see in person |
| 16:39.50 | CosmicPenguin | Tim Riker? |
| 16:39.55 | prpplague | fidel castro, hehe |
| 16:39.55 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin? |
| 16:40.00 | CosmicPenguin | Oh, no crap? |
| 16:40.02 | CosmicPenguin | How cool |
| 16:40.07 | CosmicPenguin | You were in Cuba? |
| 16:40.20 | prpplague | no he was here for a carib conference |
| 16:40.22 | MonMotha | prpplague: every time I see you say that, I think you mean the little chips from Microchip |
| 16:40.33 | CosmicPenguin | How does he look? |
| 16:40.36 | prpplague | MonMotha: hehe, complain to AML they named it |
| 16:40.41 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: old and sick |
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| 16:45.53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: http://bararchive.bits.baseview.com/archive_detail.php?archiveFile=./pubfiles/bar/archive/2005/December/10/LocalNews/12511.xml&start=0&numPer=20&keyword=castro§ionSearch=&begindate=1%2F1%2F2003&enddate=12%2F31%2F2005&authorSearch=&IncludeStories=1&pubsection=&page=&IncludePages=1&IncludeImages=1&mode=allwords&archive_pubname=Daily+Nation%0A%09%09%09 |
| 16:45.58 | prpplague | holy cow |
| 16:46.10 | prpplague | didn't mean to paste one that long |
| 16:50.13 | prpplague | MonMotha: doesn't appear to be any major diff between the kernel for the ipaq and what i'm using |
| 17:06.44 | prpplague | ugh this is driving me nuts |
| 17:07.10 | prpplague | i can't figure out of the sa-1110 is doing the suspect or is responding to a suspec |
| 17:07.14 | prpplague | suspend |
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| 17:11.14 | prpplague | ~lart TimRiker |
| 17:15.08 | prpplague | MonMotha: interesting, i'm getting a configured suspend on the sa-1110 |
| 17:22.09 | thraxisp | 'morning, Are there any recommendations for an IPSEC implementation that runs on uClinux 2.4 and ARM? |
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| 17:25.06 | Genesis | bonsoir |
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| 17:34.06 | prpplague | MonMotha: well getting some addition info |
| 17:34.14 | file[desk] | o.o |
| 17:34.18 | prpplague | MonMotha: getting an xmit error7 from the sa-1110 |
| 17:37.42 | chouimat | hi prpplague CosmicPenguin TimRiker file[desk] and * |
| 17:37.52 | prpplague | chouimat: hey hey |
| 17:38.49 | file[desk] | hihi |
| 17:46.39 | fishhead | http://mail.gnome.org/archives/usability/2005-December/msg00021.html <----- 0wn3d |
| 17:58.24 | T`2_ | morning |
| 18:03.39 | CosmicPenguin | holy crap, it works |
| 18:03.47 | file[desk] | liar |
| 18:04.00 | file[desk] | it's broken, admit it! ADMIT IT! |
| 18:05.55 | prpplague | hmm, getting tx errors |
| 18:06.06 | prpplague | looks like thats the whole problem |
| 18:40.51 | CosmicPenguin | the crap I go through to read the LKML |
| 18:40.56 | CosmicPenguin | a lesser man would just subscribe |
| 18:40.59 | CosmicPenguin | but I'm not a lesser man!!!! |
| 18:43.04 | CosmicPenguin | Despire what my mom says |
| 18:51.40 | prpplague | MonMotha: ahh something is clearing the bit that is for the fixed usb core |
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| 19:11.37 | prpplague | interesting |
| 19:11.48 | prpplague | MonMotha: looks like the B5 stepping fix isn't working |
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| 20:18.54 | prpplague | MonMotha: turns out to be a noisy dma |
| 20:19.00 | prpplague | MonMotha: was fixed in 2.4.19 |
| 20:19.06 | prpplague | MonMotha: but i'm running 2.4.17 |
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