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| 01:03.04 | fishhead | needs to know if anyone has used "smart boot manager" to boot a cdrom from a pc without cdrom booting support in the bios and ran into issues with isolinux and ubcd |
| 01:10.45 | fishhead | okay I am going to explain this again, I HAVE "smart boot manager" on a floppy and it boots knoppix from cdr perfectely on a machine without cdrom boot support, and it will load the front menu of UBCD but from there any program ubcd tries to load just chockes and bounces back to the SBM |
| 01:22.46 | fishhead | well folks I think I am just going to swap out this propritary dell case and board for something standard and with cdrom support in the bios, thanks for trying to help though |
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| 05:32.34 | fishhead | http://www.brother.com/usa/wp/info/dp5040cj/dp5040cj_ove.html <-- this one might defintely be worth hacking for parts if no one wants it, night |
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| 05:39.37 | fishhead | THIS GUY IS AWESOME HE PUT UP HIS OLD TV SERIES "THE SECRET LIFE OF MACHINES" UP ON BITTORRENT, MAKE SURE YOU EMAIL THE GUY THANKING HIM!!!!! THIS SHOW WAS THE SHIT!!!!! |
| 05:40.09 | fishhead | http://www.timhunkin.com/index.htm |
| 05:40.53 | fishhead | cheers |
| 05:51.24 | fishhead | sorry folks it appears the torrent links are dead but since he gave his blessing, I am sure you can find them somewhere |
| 05:58.52 | fishhead | http://ts.searching.com/torrent/35162/The_Secret_Life_Of_Machines_Series_3 |
| 05:59.20 | fishhead | http://ts.searching.com/torrent/35161/The_Secret_Life_Of_Machines_Series_2 |
| 05:59.48 | fishhead | there is a source since the link I gave earlier was broken, I am done spamming now :P |
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| 11:28.17 | vittorio | hi, for a 200MHz ARM9 embedded system with tiny-x server, gtk+ and a monochrom QVGA display, would it be very usefull to have HW graphics acceleration like bitblt? |
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| 12:06.07 | T0mW | Well, that was certainly scary! |
| 12:07.17 | T0mW | Reset line on the CPU was being driven high, the JTAG unit was acting all kinds of weird. I though I buggered the JTAG pod! |
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| 12:21.31 | vittorio | T0mW, only curious. what processor and jtag interface are you using? |
| 12:21.50 | T0mW | ARM7TDMI-S, Abatron BDI2000 |
| 12:22.38 | T0mW | it really had me going for a few minutes, fortunately, I have another board with an older program in it and the JTAG worked fine. |
| 12:22.44 | vittorio | what ARM7TDMI? does the eBDI2000 work well? i want to buy one too |
| 12:22.57 | T0mW | absolutely great |
| 12:23.04 | vittorio | cool :) |
| 12:24.06 | T0mW | I use it with Insight, there are two LPC2000 processors on this board, I have the JTAG daisy chained. That way, I run two Insight debuggers on the desktop and can debug both CPUs at the same time. |
| 12:24.43 | T0mW | vittorio: http://www.openhardware.net/?title=ARM%20Thumb%20tools%20for%20LPC2000&dir=ArmTools&file=ThumbToolchain.html |
| 12:25.17 | T0mW | the BDI2000 was a bit pricey, but it works very well. |
| 12:25.55 | vittorio | do ypu have a LCD display ? |
| 12:27.16 | T0mW | no, only thing missing from this board. I do have a 1Gig SD card on it though, heh. |
| 12:27.42 | T0mW | vittorio: customer doesn't need an lcd on this design |
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| 12:28.14 | T0mW | but, it has a beeper and a function button plus a bunch of LEDs... |
| 12:28.34 | vittorio | do you know when driving a QVGA display using tiny-x and gtk. is it important to have HW acceleration? |
| 12:28.44 | T0mW | shouldn't be |
| 12:28.51 | vittorio | why? |
| 12:28.52 | T0mW | QVGA monochrome? |
| 12:28.54 | vittorio | yes |
| 12:29.00 | T0mW | simple display |
| 12:29.17 | T0mW | your processor have a built in LCD controller? |
| 12:29.30 | vittorio | yes, its a 200MHz ARM9 Netsillicon |
| 12:30.17 | T0mW | then just set the frame buffer location (CPU register), and setup the LCD registers: clocks per line, lines per scan, etc. |
| 12:30.19 | vittorio | 177 MHz |
| 12:30.35 | T0mW | vittorio: plenty of power to run a QVGA mono |
| 12:31.11 | T0mW | vittorio: you'll spend more time in X processing the image data than you will spitting bits into the LCD buffer.. |
| 12:31.13 | vittorio | i wonder. what if the system should drive a larger color display in the future. then HW acceleration should be usefull? |
| 12:31.40 | vittorio | oh really |
| 12:32.13 | T0mW | generally, you would only need acceleration if you are planning on doing motion: e.g. many full screen changes / per second. Like displaying MPEG movies |
| 12:33.16 | vittorio | ah ok, we dont need animation |
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| 12:34.04 | T0mW | vittorio: what hardware acceleration would do for you is to offload some of the drawing workload into the graphics chip. If you already have an LCD controller in your processor, you cannot use it with an external graphics chip. |
| 12:35.11 | T0mW | vittorio: with a graphics chip, you have to have a software driver to tell the graphics chip the Macro operations to perform: fill this area with this color. fill this area with this image, ... |
| 12:35.28 | prpplague | T0mW: can not use the internal controller with an external controller, or the processor itself with an external controller? |
| 12:35.31 | vittorio | yes, i thought maybe a cirrus logic with HW acceleration on chip would be better compared to the netsilicon with only lcd controler and no HW accel |
| 12:35.49 | T0mW | prpplague: morning Dave, when did you sneak in here? |
| 12:35.54 | prpplague | T0mW: just now |
| 12:36.14 | T0mW | ah, I see it now, just was busy yakking. |
| 12:36.38 | prpplague | T0mW: gonna be a lovely day, my bank screwed up yet again and didn't wire transfer money to my local bank on friday :( |
| 12:36.41 | T0mW | I need food, too many hours at the button without nourishment! |
| 12:37.00 | T0mW | prpplague: hah, broke again eh? |
| 12:37.24 | prpplague | T0mW: psuedo broke, i have money, just can't get to it |
| 12:37.34 | T0mW | Reset line on the CPU was being driven high, the JTAG unit was acting all kinds of weird. I though I buggered the JTAG pod! |
| 12:37.51 | T0mW | prpplague: that was scary |
| 12:38.28 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe |
| 12:38.59 | T0mW | prpplague: fortunately, I had another board with an older program in it and that one worked fine |
| 12:39.01 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, i had a problem last week with a sa-1110 where the nTRST was suppose to be driven high(3.3v) which i thought it was |
| 12:39.27 | prpplague | T0mW: got to looking and my circuit was letting the voltage float instead |
| 12:39.44 | T0mW | prpplague: I'm getting a lot of work done now that I have a decent debugging setup. |
| 12:39.50 | prpplague | yea |
| 12:39.52 | prpplague | i bet |
| 12:40.21 | T0mW | every session is another leap forward in software functionality |
| 12:40.34 | prpplague | hehe |
| 12:40.46 | prpplague | T0mW: got a strange usb issue on my sa-1110 board though |
| 12:40.53 | T0mW | hah |
| 12:41.07 | prpplague | T0mW: i'm getting a usb disconnect about every 45-60 seconds |
| 12:41.10 | T0mW | that the 16M vs 32M thing? |
| 12:41.16 | prpplague | T0mW: naw got that solved |
| 12:41.21 | T0mW | k' |
| 12:41.24 | prpplague | T0mW: this is the next issue |
| 12:41.29 | T0mW | LOL |
| 12:41.51 | T0mW | prpplague: that is why you get paid the big-money |
| 12:41.58 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe |
| 12:42.10 | prpplague | T0mW: well normally i atleast know where to look |
| 12:42.18 | prpplague | T0mW: i feel totally lost on this usb stuff |
| 12:42.57 | chouimat | morning |
| 12:43.05 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah, that is the key. I'm surprised that sometimes I see something happen on the board and I can zero right in on what it is that is wrong. Helps when you were the guy to design the board. |
| 12:43.16 | T0mW | chouimat: yes it is |
| 12:43.20 | vittorio | still wonder, would HW accel be useful if drawing offsreen and the do fast bitblits to lower fickering? or for scrolling? |
| 12:43.28 | prpplague | T0mW: yea i don't think this is hardware |
| 12:43.34 | prpplague | T0mW: i'm pretty sure its software |
| 12:43.40 | prpplague | T0mW: just don;t where to look |
| 12:43.43 | T0mW | chouimat: cognative skills are getting better, :P |
| 12:44.07 | chouimat | T0mW: hehe ... need coffee |
| 12:44.16 | prpplague | T0mW: i get the feeling that possible the interrupt mask isn't being set properly and i'm getting an interrupt from something else |
| 12:44.30 | prpplague | T0mW: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9571533919.html |
| 12:44.45 | prpplague | T0mW: can you spell s.h.i.t |
| 12:45.06 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah, I've got 13 programs rolled into one processor. they all work fine except for one, it data_aborts occassionally and I cannot find it. I guess I'll have to study up on the abort stack structure to see where it happens |
| 12:45.09 | prpplague | T0mW: crappy board, crappy support, crappy docs, just plain crappy |
| 12:45.46 | T0mW | prpplague: oh crap, an LPD board |
| 12:46.37 | T0mW | prpplague: I liked the idea of their card engines but I felt the same about them: they want you to pay them big money for support contracts. |
| 12:50.40 | T0mW | prpplague: I've been typing "er" (erase) and "pr" (program) all night |
| 12:51.01 | T0mW | prpplague: scary that I don't even think about it |
| 12:53.56 | prpplague | woh |
| 12:54.05 | prpplague | PIC's are being sold are radio shack? |
| 12:54.29 | prpplague | http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2146448&cp=&brandCode=1000094&parentPage=search] |
| 12:54.31 | prpplague | http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2146448&cp=&brandCode=1000094&parentPage=search |
| 12:54.33 | MonMotha | they've been selling basic stamps for a while |
| 12:54.37 | MonMotha | but I didn't know about PICs |
| 12:54.49 | MonMotha | oh, those :) |
| 12:57.11 | prpplague | MonMotha: got most of my usb issues solved |
| 12:57.23 | prpplague | MonMotha: still getting one interrupt about every 45-60's |
| 12:57.27 | prpplague | MonMotha: driving me nuts |
| 13:05.59 | T0mW | cool, I now have a setup mode for the board: hold this key down, press reset, and continue holding the button down for 5 seconds, then it goes into a menu. |
| 13:06.18 | prpplague | hehe |
| 13:07.10 | T0mW | prpplague: I need some simple setup menus, and also get the board to reprogram itself off the files on the SD card. then I'll deliver the first version to the customer. |
| 13:07.32 | prpplague | T0mW: ahh |
| 13:07.34 | T0mW | prpplague: maybe just a few more nights of banging on this thing will get me there. |
| 13:07.57 | prpplague | T0mW: i like to use a series of empty files on the sd/mmc card to tell it what to do |
| 13:08.06 | T0mW | prpplague: this way, they can take the binary files I send them, put them on an SD card and reprogram the unit themselves. |
| 13:08.13 | prpplague | T0mW: i.e. check the fat for "program-flash.txt" |
| 13:08.20 | T0mW | yes |
| 13:08.39 | T0mW | something like that, but actually have the software binary on the card. |
| 13:09.16 | vittorio | we are planing to do updates via usb sticks |
| 13:09.27 | T0mW | prpplague: trick is, I have two processors to program.. the two processors will have to bootstrap each other up, sort of like a sysgen |
| 13:10.00 | prpplague | T0mW: yea i include the binaries as well |
| 13:10.24 | T0mW | one processor erases the other, puts a boot program into it, then resets that processor. The booted processor comes up and erases the first guy an installs his boot... |
| 13:11.01 | T0mW | it is going to be something like a 9..10 step process to install new software. |
| 13:11.12 | prpplague | ug |
| 13:11.18 | prpplague | lots of places to break |
| 13:11.18 | vittorio | T0mW, what interface do you have between these two processors? |
| 13:11.48 | T0mW | processors reflashing each other and building themselves upward. I need to make sure that if something breaks, it doesn't brick the board. |
| 13:12.30 | T0mW | vittorio: the processors are shipped with a tiny bootloader in them, so when you erase the flash memory, the bootloader is still protected. |
| 13:13.01 | prpplague | T0mW: yea thats why we do double bootloaders |
| 13:13.02 | T0mW | vittorio: if there is no valid program in the flash memory, the processor defaults to the serial boot loader |
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| 13:13.14 | T0mW | prpplague: exactly |
| 13:13.29 | T0mW | prpplague: a protected first boot |
| 13:13.36 | vittorio | T0mW, ok, so the 1st programs the second via bootloader and serial line |
| 13:15.03 | T0mW | vittorio: a bit complex, but essentially the main processor reprograms the little one, resets him, then checks to make sure he is alive and properly programmed, then the main processor will tell the little one "now, you reprogram me" |
| 13:15.44 | vittorio | i thought of putting a ARM9 and ARM7 for lower level controling stuff on the board, but not sure what interface to use between the two |
| 13:16.00 | vittorio | T0mW, why cant the main processor reprogram himself? |
| 13:16.07 | T0mW | HAH! |
| 13:16.25 | T0mW | what if it dies during programming, what if someone punches reset? |
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| 13:16.35 | T0mW | then you have a brick |
| 13:16.58 | vittorio | heh shouldnt reset the board (heh yes thats a pitfall) |
| 13:17.03 | T0mW | vittorio: this is for field upgrade of the software. the people doing this are know-nothing idiots. |
| 13:17.38 | T0mW | always assume the (l)user will do the most stupid thing that can be done... |
| 13:17.58 | vittorio | its like a BIOS update. if you switch off the computer while flashing you have a problem |
| 13:18.07 | T0mW | bingo! |
| 13:18.20 | T0mW | instant brick |
| 13:19.23 | vittorio | yes, but we cant use your way. cause the main processor hase something like 16MB flash and the small processor some kbyte |
| 13:20.29 | T0mW | vittorio: so, the big processor will let the little one program him, but first the big processor sets the little one up with a program to do it in his flash memory. that way, if things fail, and you hit reset / drop power, the little processor is going to insist on reprogramming the big one the next time the board powers up. |
| 13:20.41 | T0mW | vittorio: same here |
| 13:21.00 | T0mW | I have 128K in one and 512K in the other. |
| 13:21.25 | T0mW | vittorio: but, I have a 128Meg SD card where the new program will reside... |
| 13:21.47 | vittorio | so both processors have access to the SD card? |
| 13:22.20 | T0mW | vittorio: so, all the little processor has to do is to install a program into the big processor so that when he boots, he will blindly reprogram himself from the SD card. |
| 13:22.34 | vittorio | ah ok |
| 13:22.37 | T0mW | vittorio: only the big processor has the SD card. |
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| 13:23.32 | T0mW | vittorio: I'm toying with the idea of loading the program into RAM and executing it from there, that way I can read the SD card + program the flash memory. |
| 13:24.48 | T0mW | anyway time for FOOD!!! |
| 13:32.16 | vittorio | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:34.24 | vittorio | does anyone know of an up to date overview/list of ARM7/ARM9 processors? i only have one dated 2004 from arm.com |
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| 17:36.01 | mbuf | is it ok to ask questions on FAEs for embedded linux in companies? |
| 17:40.50 | CosmicPenguin | syre |
| 17:40.53 | CosmicPenguin | sure even |
| 17:41.27 | mbuf | i am interested in becoming an FAE for companies using GNU/Linux for embedded work, in general |
| 17:41.53 | mbuf | have been googling for kind of work involved; thing is i like to be in engineering as well as tech support, and also like to travel :) |
| 17:42.17 | mbuf | so what are your thoughts/experiences with people who are FAEs, work load, salary etc. |
| 17:44.45 | vittorio | FAEs are application engineers right? what does the F mean? |
| 17:44.53 | CosmicPenguin | Field |
| 17:45.17 | mbuf | Field Application Engineers |
| 17:45.45 | mbuf | what i've seen so far in India is that most of the time its only cost cutting, and i don't seem to enjoy the kind of working environment i have seen in the US |
| 17:45.46 | vittorio | these are the guys how travel to customers when there are problems? |
| 17:45.51 | vittorio | who .. |
| 17:46.12 | mbuf | sorry if this is little off-topic to this channel |
| 17:46.16 | mbuf | vittorio, yes |
| 17:46.57 | mbuf | vittorio, not just travelling to customers, also supporting their queries, working with development team with design, customer feedback etc. |
| 17:47.22 | vittorio | ah ok |
| 17:48.02 | mbuf | you basically have to be sound, technically and have good communication skills |
| 17:48.38 | vittorio | my thoughts/experience is that i wouldnt want to be a FAE :) |
| 17:48.54 | CosmicPenguin | You don't often work with the development team directly |
| 17:49.03 | mbuf | vittorio, can you elaborate your experiences, if any? |
| 17:49.04 | CosmicPenguin | it sort of depends on how important the customer is to the project manager... :) |
| 17:49.14 | mbuf | CosmicPenguin, i see |
| 17:49.29 | CosmicPenguin | Its a thankless job really - you only ever deal with angry customers |
| 17:49.43 | file | angry customers are funny |
| 17:50.08 | vittorio | you probably only have to deal with problems others made. and you are the one the customers are angry with. like my brother is a FAE and doesnt like it |
| 17:50.55 | vittorio | and you dont do the interresting job, like developing .. |
| 17:51.00 | mbuf | vittorio, i see |
| 17:51.09 | vittorio | oh, i dont think so :) |
| 17:51.23 | mbuf | vittorio, ok, thanks |
| 17:51.27 | vittorio | sorry, he wouldnt like this |
| 17:51.51 | mbuf | i believe it also involves troubleshooting from the FAE |
| 17:56.35 | vittorio | but as i have seen a FAE doesnt really troubleshooting the interresting problems. they communicate it to the developers, and get back to the customer with the hopefully working solution. if it doesnt work, the customer is again angry with the FAE |
| 17:56.47 | mbuf | i see |
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| 17:59.44 | mbuf | ok, thanks for all your inputs |
| 18:00.01 | vittorio | np :) |
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| 19:23.12 | Intelsdog | does anyone have an thoughts on configuring a Cyber Guard SG-560 router/firewall appliance so it can support QoS throttling on multi fail-over WAN ports?. |
| 19:23.47 | Intelsdog | It's "user frendly" web based setup pages do not support QOS throttling on multi fail-over wan ports. It just assumes a single connection to the outside world. |
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| 20:11.41 | prpplague | @#%^@$^#@!#$#^ |
| 20:11.50 | prpplague | this freakin sa-1110 usb is driving me nuts |
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| 20:18.48 | sdjsphreaker | hey u guys, I'm having hell compiling buildroot and the toolchain for uclibc |
| 20:19.21 | sdjsphreaker | can anyone here help, I'm trying to create a bootable kernel and rootfs for a new handheld |
| 20:19.29 | sdjsphreaker | help please!? |
| 20:20.12 | sdjsphreaker | I've been trying for like two weeks with a new snapshot each day and I get a load of different errors each time |
| 20:20.21 | sdjsphreaker | and never a completion of the make |
| 20:20.37 | sdjsphreaker | anyone alive in here? |
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| 20:56.31 | CosmicPenguin | This room has been quiet ever since sorphin left our company |
| 20:56.58 | file | we're being productive |
| 20:57.00 | file | imagine that... |
| 20:57.13 | CosmicPenguin | Right, and I'm the king of England |
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| 20:57.18 | file | you are?!?!? |
| 20:57.24 | file | sweet. |
| 20:57.28 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah, just got crowned on Saturday |
| 20:57.36 | file | and why weren't we invited? |
| 20:57.38 | CosmicPenguin | I'm surprised you didn't read about it - it was in all the papers |
| 20:57.53 | CosmicPenguin | It was either you or Elton John, and I had to go for Elton |
| 20:57.59 | file | darn |
| 20:58.32 | CosmicPenguin | I'll get you next time, I swear |
| 21:00.45 | sdjsphreaker | hey you guys, sorry to interrupt this enlightening conversation, but |
| 21:00.51 | sdjsphreaker | can someone help me here |
| 21:00.59 | file | one can only help, when one knows what to help with |
| 21:01.12 | sdjsphreaker | ok, sorry |
| 21:01.34 | sdjsphreaker | ok I'm trying to create a rootfs and cross compiled kernel for a new handheld |
| 21:01.56 | sdjsphreaker | I've been downloading buildroot and running the make script |
| 21:02.22 | sdjsphreaker | everytime I try I get a load of new errors like non-implemented commands etc |
| 21:02.47 | sdjsphreaker | I have yet to get a successful compile after two weeks |
| 21:03.04 | sdjsphreaker | anything I should be aware of as a buildroot newb? |
| 21:03.24 | CosmicPenguin | unfortunately, I'm not a buildroot user |
| 21:03.26 | CosmicPenguin | so I can't help |
| 21:03.31 | sdjsphreaker | I've done embedded dev work before but this is the first time I'm using buildroot |
| 21:03.41 | sdjsphreaker | ok, well can anyone make any suggestions? |
| 21:04.06 | sdjsphreaker | I'm just trying to port linux to a samsung nexio XP30 and it looks like I'm alone on this project |
| 21:06.22 | sdjsphreaker | ok, so has anyone here ever tried to do a port of linux to another handheld from scratch? |
| 21:06.53 | CosmicPenguin | Many people in this room do that for a living |
| 21:20.04 | jacques | what's a "non-implemented command" error? |
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| 21:34.24 | fishhead | yes people I choose to message linux and unix channels ON PURPOSE because they are full of people who can actually still make use of older hardware, this wasn't just a random spam |
| 21:36.31 | CosmicPenguin | Just because you're usually off topic doesn't mean you are this time |
| 21:37.06 | fishhead | ? |
| 21:37.27 | fishhead | did CosmicPenguin just say something nice to me |
| 21:37.34 | CosmicPenguin | In other words, thats a reasonable msg, and we didn't particularlly need your explination for it |
| 21:37.46 | fishhead | well that was mostly for other channels bro :) |
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| 21:50.12 | sdjsphreaker | "non-implemented command" is just my way of describing errors like "__mempcpy not defined" for example |
| 21:50.39 | sdjsphreaker | which seems to be the most popular non-defined function |
| 21:50.45 | sdjsphreaker | in the code |
| 21:51.32 | sdjsphreaker | this also seems inconsistent across build dates |
| 21:51.52 | sdjsphreaker | so it looks like errors in the code causing compile terminations |
| 21:52.36 | sdjsphreaker | I have a weird question... are the buildroot snapshots actually capable of a clean compile without having edit any of the code |
| 21:52.37 | sdjsphreaker | ? |
| 22:03.41 | CosmicPenguin | undefined != not implemented |
| 22:17.40 | Intelsdog | does anyone have an thoughts on configuring a Cyber Guard SG-560 router/firewall appliance so it can support QoS throttling on multi fail-over WAN ports?. It's "user friendly" web based setup pages do not support QOS throttling on multi fail-over wan ports. It just assumes a single connection to the outside world. |
| 22:18.05 | sdjsphreaker | well I know this but it was just my way on describing it, just not a very accurate way |
| 22:18.57 | sdjsphreaker | btw, does anyone here know anything about nand flash technology in terms of modification of a devices' capacity? |
| 22:20.51 | jacques | sdjsphreaker, so you are having problems building buildroot snapshots - what configuration are you using? |
| 22:29.36 | sdjsphreaker | should I send my config.in file to you? |
| 22:30.13 | jacques | I don;t think that's the one - would be something like .config |
| 22:31.38 | jacques | at least put it on pastebin.ca or something |
| 22:35.05 | sdjsphreaker | sorry you're right it is .config |
| 22:35.42 | sdjsphreaker | ok, I'm not before the development box right now, will you be online in an hour and a half? |
| 22:38.57 | jacques | sdjsphreaker, yes |
| 22:45.11 | sdjsphreaker | ok, I will be online then with alias diJenerate and I will send it directly from that box |
| 22:59.06 | Genesis | bonne nuit |
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