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| 00:39.12 | andersee | file: muhahahahahaha |
| 00:40.05 | andersee | ouch |
| 00:40.26 | T0mW | creature from the Black Coderoom? |
| 00:41.19 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: Yup, give that man a cigar: embedded system wrote a 300Meg file on the MMC. |
| 00:42.42 | T0mW | hmm, this DOS code thrashes pretty badly! 9 minutes to delete a 300Meg file (lots of FAT clusters). |
| 00:43.12 | T0mW | I would say that can be improved? |
| 00:43.17 | T0mW | heh |
| 00:44.56 | T0mW | do { delete_one_entry_1st_FAT_table(); delete_one_entry_2nd_FAT_table(); } while (!last_cluster); |
| 00:47.35 | T`2 | T0mW, lazy delete is the way to go.. delete the first entry immediately and set the others as invalid later on |
| 00:48.24 | T0mW | T`2: original source (circa 1993) relied upon a cache that went along with the driver: cache code == too much RAM for this project! |
| 00:48.30 | T0mW | later dudes |
| 00:48.37 | T`2 | later |
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| 04:15.57 | cdm | evening |
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| 05:05.06 | Russ | k, I'm seriously going to hurt rmk |
| 05:05.41 | cdm | why? |
| 05:05.53 | Russ | whatever led him to believe that the size of a PMD on arm is 1MB? |
| 05:06.18 | Russ | I've been tracking this panic on 2.6.4 for more than a week |
| 05:06.41 | Russ | he didn't notice till 2.6.10-mm2 |
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| 05:08.16 | Russ | pages freed in the kernel, but references still existing |
| 05:08.37 | Russ | and the kernel only currupted one bit because of it |
| 05:09.24 | cdm | fun fun |
| 05:09.39 | cdm | well, there are 1MB pages on ARM |
| 05:09.46 | cdm | 64K too |
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| 06:02.36 | Russ | cdm: no, pmd describes 2MB of memory |
| 06:02.36 | Russ | ie, it points to 512 pte's |
| 06:04.52 | cdm | ahhhh - sorry |
| 06:04.58 | cdm | missed the PMD thing. |
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| 13:44.19 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
| 13:44.51 | T0mW | ~lart prpplague |
| 13:44.58 | T0mW | appropriate |
| 13:45.04 | T0mW | ~botsnack |
| 13:45.04 | ibot | T0mW: thanks |
| 13:45.12 | prpplague | HAHAHA |
| 13:45.18 | prpplague | ~botsnack |
| 13:45.18 | ibot | prpplague: aw, gee |
| 13:45.20 | T0mW | prpplague: ibot knows |
| 13:45.28 | prpplague | T0mW: you teach him that? |
| 13:45.46 | T0mW | naw, he prolly has been lurking and listening to you lately |
| 13:46.44 | T0mW | prpplague: I released the newlib + rdcf2 FAT16 filesystem stuff this morning |
| 13:46.51 | prpplague | T0mW: my s3c2410 stuff is moving along nicely |
| 13:46.56 | prpplague | T0mW: cool |
| 13:47.09 | T0mW | lot of work man, lot of work |
| 13:48.27 | T0mW | prpplague: you got the bootloader installed on it yet? |
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| 13:48.42 | T0mW | heh |
| 13:49.00 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe yea |
| 13:49.09 | prpplague | T0mW: got uboot, vivi, and apex working |
| 13:49.22 | T0mW | prpplague: good, now you can settle back and enjoy |
| 13:49.33 | prpplague | T0mW: gonna submit patches to marc singer for apex, but he is sooooooooo opintioned about what goes in |
| 13:49.44 | T0mW | I've got one day of rest then the PCB will be here |
| 13:49.51 | chouimat | morning |
| 13:49.57 | prpplague | chouimat: morning |
| 13:50.00 | T0mW | chouimat: morning |
| 13:50.23 | T0mW | prpplague: that's becuase he wrote it, maintainers don't care that much |
| 13:50.58 | T0mW | prpplague: you break a maintainers stuff and it isn't personal |
| 13:51.26 | T0mW | prpplague: break my stuff and you make me look bad, heh |
| 13:52.14 | T0mW | my eyes won't focus |
| 13:52.19 | T0mW | need sleep |
| 13:52.26 | T0mW | thud |
| 14:00.27 | chouimat | prpplague: http://www.askmen.com/jokes/current/index.html |
| 14:00.39 | file[laptop] | eep |
| 14:01.15 | prpplague | andersee: hey, i'd like to add devmem2 to the buildroot packages, since its just a couple of really small files, any objections to adding it as just a patch rather that include a download source? |
| 14:01.27 | chouimat | hi file[laptop] |
| 14:01.35 | file[laptop] | hi |
| 14:02.14 | prpplague | chouimat: cute |
| 14:02.29 | chouimat | prpplague: yup ... |
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| 14:38.10 | chouimat | prpplague: LOL http://www.thedailywtf.com/forums/50620/ShowPost.aspx |
| 14:49.42 | prpplague | chouimat: wow |
| 14:49.48 | chouimat | prpplague: hehe |
| 14:50.23 | chouimat | prpplague: this programmer must be paid by line of code :) |
| 14:51.13 | prpplague | chouimat: or hourly |
| 14:51.24 | chouimat | :) |
| 14:51.38 | prpplague | chouimat: my last employer paid his programmers by the hour |
| 14:52.04 | prpplague | chouimat: every 15 minutes a window pop'd up on their desktop and they had to type in what they were working on |
| 14:52.09 | chouimat | wow a new jay and silent Bob |
| 14:52.21 | prpplague | chouimat: really? |
| 14:52.31 | chouimat | prpplague: shit ... it's even worse than slavery |
| 14:52.37 | prpplague | chouimat: i thought they said they weren't gonna do any more? |
| 14:52.43 | chouimat | prpplague: found the torrent this morning |
| 14:54.04 | chouimat | prpplague: but I'm not sure it's a real one |
| 14:55.47 | prpplague | ahh |
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| 14:56.59 | chouimat | prpplague: probably a fan thing |
| 14:58.51 | CosmicPenguin | gud morning senor frog |
| 15:00.37 | chouimat | hi CosmicPenguin |
| 15:00.39 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:01.22 | prpplague | chouimat: just out of curiosity, you hear that often ? |
| 15:01.49 | chouimat | prpplague: nope |
| 15:02.22 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 15:02.44 | CosmicPenguin | thats funny because its abstract |
| 15:02.45 | prpplague | i get called yank alot hee |
| 15:02.46 | prpplague | here |
| 15:03.47 | chouimat | prpplague: actualy after 18 months they have trouble to figure out my accent ... not quite french canadian and not quite english |
| 15:04.00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i assume you used "frog" as a reference how the british used to call the french frog's |
| 15:04.07 | prpplague | chouimat: hehe |
| 15:04.22 | prpplague | chouimat: now you have to move to texas and get a really weird accent |
| 15:04.58 | chouimat | prpplague: not sure ... I want to live a little longer ;) |
| 15:05.01 | chouimat | brb |
| 15:06.46 | prpplague | chouimat: hehe, yea, you might be mistaken for someone from france, hehe, and the french aren't exactly popular in the rural areas of texas |
| 15:09.41 | chouimat | prpplague: not a chance I don't say "Zee problem" |
| 15:09.47 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:10.31 | chouimat | prpplague: and beside that a place were people think sex is evil and guns are good ... kind of scare me |
| 15:10.51 | prpplague | chouimat: canada just started a new immigration program, we could pay a $250cad fee and have visa is 30 days |
| 15:11.02 | prpplague | chouimat: hehe |
| 15:11.19 | chouimat | prpplague: :) |
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| 15:12.07 | prpplague | chouimat: on the other hand, i've paid about $4500USD over a year ago and still don't have a complete US visa |
| 15:12.17 | chouimat | prpplague: ouch |
| 15:12.31 | prpplague | chouimat: gotta go friday morning for yet another interview |
| 15:12.44 | prpplague | sjhill: hola |
| 15:13.10 | prpplague | sjhill: i'd like to add devmem2 to the buildroot packages, since its just a couple of really small files, any objections to adding it as just a patch rather that include a download source? |
| 15:13.42 | chouimat | prpplague: expensive for a visa |
| 15:14.23 | prpplague | chouimat: thats cheap |
| 15:14.25 | sjhill | prpplague: that's fine |
| 15:14.45 | chouimat | prpplague: if you say so ... but 4500usd is hhig for me |
| 15:14.47 | prpplague | chouimat: most ppl end up paying around $10,000.00 |
| 15:15.19 | chouimat | prpplague: thankls $DEITY I don't need one to go the US :) |
| 15:16.14 | sjhill | prpplague: do you have any experience with Pentium processor hardware debuggers? |
| 15:17.44 | prpplague | chouimat: i knew the US had illegal immigration problems, but now i know exactly why, because those ppl who are entitled to legal immigration are treated like dirt and made to wait like they have done something wrong |
| 15:17.59 | prpplague | sjhill: sorry no, i've been concentration on arm stuff for some time now |
| 15:18.18 | sjhill | T0mW: *poke* *poke* |
| 15:18.42 | chouimat | prpplague: and they are trying to fix the problem the wrong way imho |
| 15:19.02 | prpplague | chouimat: ?? what way is that? |
| 15:20.04 | chouimat | prpplague: with some texanians patroling the mexico border and shooting at the poor souls |
| 15:20.30 | prpplague | chouimat: ahh |
| 15:20.34 | CosmicPenguin | He's talking about the citizens patrols |
| 15:20.54 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: that the word I was looking for :) |
| 15:21.31 | prpplague | yea, well, what frustrates me, is that if you are there illegal, you can go get a bank account, a drivers license, and use government services |
| 15:21.46 | prpplague | where as my wife who was ther legally, could not do any of those things |
| 15:22.16 | prpplague | if you ask me, thats plain wrong |
| 15:22.29 | chouimat | prpplague: we have some illegal here but not that much ... |
| 15:22.57 | prpplague | chouimat: there isn't a incentive to be illegal when you can go legally and not have to worry about it] |
| 15:23.06 | chouimat | prpplague: and the majority is those who ask for the refugee status and doesn't get it |
| 15:23.09 | CosmicPenguin | Of course - who would willingly immigrate to Qubec? |
| 15:23.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you;d be surprised |
| 15:23.48 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: Quebec get about 25 to 30% of all the immigrant in Canada |
| 15:24.09 | CosmicPenguin | So what you're saying is that at any given time, 25% of the world is crazy? |
| 15:24.15 | CosmicPenguin | Thats an interesting theory |
| 15:24.46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, no just the 25% of the immigrant going to canada |
| 15:25.40 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: actually it's the way Canada works ... you get a number of immigrant that follow more or less the % of the canadian ppoulation the province weight |
| 15:26.26 | chouimat | the federal did this to shutup the sovereinist gov of Quebec some years ago |
| 15:26.37 | prpplague | i didn't realize that the canadians call the native indians "aboriginal" |
| 15:27.14 | chouimat | prpplague: i think we also use the term "First Nations" |
| 15:27.35 | prpplague | chouimat: ahh |
| 15:28.11 | prpplague | chouimat: its just i'd never heard aboriginal used other than in reference to the original natives of australia |
| 15:28.41 | chouimat | prpplague: we are living in a political correctness era so ... |
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| 15:42.48 | prpplague | eggers: austin? |
| 15:43.02 | eggers | hi prpplague, yes |
| 15:43.13 | prpplague | eggers: hehe, been to the ibm offices there more than once hehe |
| 15:44.22 | prpplague | eggers: thought only the server stuff was in austin |
| 15:44.28 | prpplague | eggers: you doing embedded stuff? |
| 15:46.10 | eggers | nah, I work in the Linux Technology Center here though ... embedded stuff is just a personal interest |
| 15:46.53 | prpplague | ahh |
| 15:47.03 | eggers | but you're right, IBM Austin mostly does Power development |
| 15:47.35 | eggers | so there is also a pretty big AIX group here |
| 15:48.16 | prpplague | eggers: yea, i came down there for some regatta stuff |
| 15:48.32 | prpplague | back in the days when i was doing server stuff |
| 15:49.19 | eggers | and the LTC does a variety of things for advancing Linux ... an obvious piece is helping support Linux on ppc |
| 15:49.51 | eggers | what kind of work did you do with Regatta? Linux related? |
| 15:50.14 | prpplague | eggers: hehe, i was a hired guinea pig for some of their docs and applications, hehe |
| 15:50.29 | prpplague | eggers: had me the stuff and see how long it takes for me to be able to use it |
| 15:50.39 | prpplague | s/had/hand |
| 15:51.11 | eggers | interesting :O) |
| 15:52.05 | prpplague | eggers: migrated out of the server side of things about 3 years ago |
| 15:52.48 | eggers | you an ex-IBMer? |
| 15:52.59 | prpplague | naw |
| 15:53.20 | prpplague | eggers: i used to work for a VAR company that did nix servers |
| 15:53.50 | prpplague | eggers: ibm has this group that goes out and finds ppl to do some of their testing |
| 15:54.08 | eggers | VAR = Value Add Reseller.? |
| 15:54.10 | prpplague | eggers: most of the time they want ppl who are familiar with nix but not the specific areas that they want to test |
| 15:54.13 | prpplague | eggers: yea |
| 15:54.53 | eggers | makes sense ... good to hear they're doing that kind of thing |
| 15:55.26 | prpplague | eggers: hehe, i mainly did it for the free trips to austin, hehe |
| 15:55.26 | eggers | seems like too many vendors do their testing on the customer :O/ |
| 15:57.50 | eggers | yeah, Austin is a pretty fun town |
| 16:01.23 | eggers | prpplague, you do embedded linux for fun or for work (maybe both :O) )? |
| 16:01.53 | prpplague | eggers: both |
| 16:02.07 | prpplague | eggers: i work for http://www.amltd.com |
| 16:02.41 | prpplague | eggers: and hack linux onto kids toys in my spare time |
| 16:04.10 | Soopaman | prpplague, wow |
| 16:04.15 | Soopaman | if i would have known what you do |
| 16:04.23 | Soopaman | we gotta do some SERIOUS business |
| 16:04.27 | Soopaman | if you can |
| 16:04.35 | prpplague | Soopaman: ? |
| 16:04.45 | prpplague | Soopaman: oh? |
| 16:04.49 | Soopaman | yeah |
| 16:04.55 | prpplague | Soopaman: do tell |
| 16:05.00 | eggers | prpplague, what kind of toys mods have you done? |
| 16:05.24 | prpplague | eggers: two most well know items are the Pixter and the JuiceBox |
| 16:05.43 | Soopaman | my cousin and I are trying to create a total inventory management system, that tracks the path and shelf life of a product (fresh fruits) |
| 16:05.46 | prpplague | http://www.elinux.org/wiki/Pixter |
| 16:05.50 | prpplague | http://www.elinux.org/wiki/JuiceBox |
| 16:06.02 | prpplague | Soopaman: ahh |
| 16:06.41 | Soopaman | but couldn't find anyone who was familiar with creating the embedded devices we'd need to deploy it |
| 16:06.59 | Soopaman | go figure, i forget to ask in the embedded linux chan i stay in |
| 16:07.05 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:09.20 | Soopaman | prpplague, would you like to talk in the chan, or pm? |
| 16:14.39 | eggers | prpplague, those seem like pretty cheap options for a video/mp3 player :O) |
| 16:19.36 | CosmicPenguin | eggers: he did an excellent job - especially the JuiceBox |
| 16:19.39 | CosmicPenguin | thats a wicked nice hack |
| 16:21.45 | eggers | CosmicPenguin: yes, very cool :O) |
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| 16:35.15 | Genesis | bonjour |
| 16:35.31 | prpplague | Soopaman: here is fine as long as no one objects |
| 16:35.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: thanks for the compliment |
| 16:36.04 | prpplague | sorry was on the phone |
| 16:42.47 | prpplague | hehe think marc singer would be pissed if i started a branch of apex? |
| 16:49.20 | CosmicPenguin | maybe, but what is he gonna do - come to your house and beat you up? |
| 16:49.55 | prpplague | sjhill: you see the former chairman of Pinko Broadcasting System has been accused of breaking the law because he was cracking down on liberal biased reporting ? |
| 16:51.56 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i know ppl are busy, but if you want a project to continue to evolve you gotta get patches accepted on a regular basis |
| 16:52.07 | CosmicPenguin | exactly |
| 16:52.11 | CosmicPenguin | one man isn't a project |
| 16:52.33 | CosmicPenguin | this is how you know you've arrived- when you can drop off the face of the earth, and your project continues in your absense |
| 16:52.41 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:52.49 | CosmicPenguin | absence even |
| 16:53.48 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lul befor |
| 16:53.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lul before hitting the next set of goals |
| 16:55.22 | CosmicPenguin | anyone have an opinion on these: http://ocf-linux.sourceforge.net/ |
| 16:55.34 | CosmicPenguin | I sort of did my own for our AES engine on the Geode, and I'm thinking about switching over |
| 16:58.19 | prpplague | hmm |
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| 17:08.14 | prpplague | oh oh oh this rocks - http://www.hpfriedrichs.com/rr-cdrom.htm#top |
| 17:14.59 | Soopaman | prpplague, what i was hoping to do, is create and product a small tracking "pod", that reads rfid tags, and communicates via the internet to the main inventory tracking center (if that explanation makes sense) |
| 17:15.26 | Soopaman | each pod will have it's own unique ID, which will be assigned a location in the tracking software |
| 17:15.37 | prpplague | ahh |
| 17:15.59 | prpplague | Soopaman: we haven't been doing rfid on production stuff yet |
| 17:16.22 | Soopaman | is rfid even worth the investment? |
| 17:16.34 | prpplague | Soopaman: might be better if you talked with one of the management folks as far as a biz arrangemtn |
| 17:16.47 | prpplague | Soopaman: not sure at this point in time |
| 17:17.08 | prpplague | Soopaman: i know we;ve looked at it, but just not enough ppl asking for it yet |
| 17:17.14 | Soopaman | the only problem with talking to the "biz" people, is that they'll want to rope us into your system |
| 17:17.43 | prpplague | Soopaman: we don't sell "a system" |
| 17:17.49 | prpplague | Soopaman: we just sell the devices |
| 17:18.07 | Soopaman | so maybe a contractor/consultant role out of you is what we may need instead |
| 17:18.09 | Soopaman | oh |
| 17:18.11 | Soopaman | " AML – Barcode Inventory Management - Inventory Control Software" |
| 17:18.29 | prpplague | strickly as a side deal to help sell the devices |
| 17:18.34 | Soopaman | ahh |
| 17:18.45 | prpplague | i think we've sold 10 copies in the last 2 years |
| 17:20.09 | sjhill | prpplague: that's great |
| 17:20.33 | sjhill | prpplague: did you decide on maintenance of buildroot? |
| 17:21.31 | prpplague | sjhill: i really want to, hehe, but i'm scared that my skills aren't up to the standard |
| 17:22.45 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm........ |
| 17:24.28 | *** part/#elinux cdm (n=cdm@adsl-69-109-217-19.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) |
| 17:24.28 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: so did you notice that my reputation as a doombringer is intact? I show up in the mips tree, and things go to hell in a hambasket |
| 17:24.44 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 17:25.08 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: thats the kind of reputation i'm afraid i'll get real quick doing buildroot maintenance |
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| 17:57.25 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: well done |
| 17:57.47 | sjhill | prpplague: experience gives you that |
| 17:57.53 | sjhill | prpplague: you'll do fine |
| 17:58.19 | fishhead | is it possible to do a uclinux port to 286 |
| 17:58.34 | prpplague | fishhead: its called ELKS |
| 17:58.42 | fishhead | from what I understand it's too braindead but I had someone violentely claim otherwise |
| 17:58.49 | fishhead | I know what elks is dude and it's dead |
| 18:00.30 | prpplague | yea, well with the state of processors these days and costs, working on that just isn't real high on ppl's list |
| 18:37.17 | CosmicPenguin | debugging gdb running kdgb in simnow with the system debugger, and furthermore debugging simnow itself with gdb running natively |
| 18:57.53 | sjhill | sounds like my normal day |
| 19:36.03 | kergoth | http://bash.org/?577451 |
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| 20:19.55 | CosmicPenguin | Whew - good day of disc golf today |
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| 21:00.27 | T`2 | disc golf ? |
| 21:00.40 | T`2 | s/golf ball/disc ? |
| 21:01.09 | CosmicPenguin | yeah |
| 21:01.17 | CosmicPenguin | we play every day |
| 21:01.47 | T`2 | heh cool |
| 21:06.21 | CosmicPenguin | T`2: its fun, you should try it |
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| 21:06.48 | T`2 | hehe.. i actually am not familiar with that game.. any link? |
| 21:08.58 | CosmicPenguin | http://pdga.org |
| 21:30.55 | T`2 | cp.. so its like ultimate frisbee? |
| 21:33.53 | CosmicPenguin | yeah, but its way different |
| 21:33.58 | CosmicPenguin | its more like golf |
| 21:41.08 | CosmicPenguin | sigh |
| 21:41.34 | CosmicPenguin | so what you're saying is that its virtually impossible to do source level debugging of a kernel tree without the exact same code path that it was compiled as? |
| 21:41.44 | CosmicPenguin | that my good friend, is horsepucky |
| 21:49.31 | thraxisp | does buildroot work with gcc-4.0.0? |
| 21:49.58 | T0mW | morning |
| 21:50.42 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: btw, you are correct, I wrote a 300Meg file on the 1Gig card in MMC mode. |
| 21:50.49 | thraxisp | There seem to be some uClibc headers missing. |
| 21:52.32 | CosmicPenguin | T0mW: nice |
| 21:52.36 | CosmicPenguin | probably took forever |
| 21:52.43 | T0mW | hours and hours |
| 21:53.15 | T0mW | it is not fast, but it sure is nice to have a 1Gig storage system on an embedded system ! |
| 21:53.46 | T0mW | the rdcf2 DOS compiles down to around 35K (-Os) |
| 21:54.25 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: got to have room to log those data aborts, etc. |
| 21:54.33 | T0mW | he |
| 21:54.35 | T0mW | heh |
| 21:55.07 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 21:55.20 | CosmicPenguin | yeah, that SD form factor makes it a whole new ball game |
| 22:03.34 | CosmicPenguin | Anyone have a relatively recent kernel? |
| 22:06.52 | Genesis | bonne nuit |