| 00:01.12 | CosmicPenguin | yayy operton! |
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| 04:45.48 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
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| 05:16.00 | T0mW | well, I've got a patch for newlib, now to see if there is a maintainer for it. |
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| 11:34.11 | Kaos | Hey |
| 11:34.18 | Kaos | is anyone alive out there |
| 11:36.09 | T0mW | no |
| 11:36.19 | T0mW | all dead, asleep, even me |
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| 11:44.20 | KillerOGO | hello |
| 11:44.20 | KillerOGO | is anyone out there i can talk too |
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| 11:54.02 | Muahahaha | Hello is anyone there |
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| 11:56.14 | prpplague | mallum: hey we don't allow apes in here |
| 11:56.26 | mallum | prpplague: hoho ;) |
| 12:06.03 | prpplague | mallum: how goes it old chap? |
| 12:07.42 | mallum | yeah good good, and you? |
| 12:08.22 | prpplague | mallum: last week was really productive, lots of patches submitted, but i'm having hell with some bootloader code since yesterday morning :( |
| 12:35.51 | prpplague | hehe its fun to compile some code for arm, then disassemble it to see what it looks like |
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| 13:02.44 | prpplague | sjhill: ho ho ho |
| 13:03.16 | sjhill | hello |
| 13:05.20 | file[laptop] | hi |
| 13:09.08 | prpplague | sjhill: hehe, the folks in #uclibc either a) don't like me or b) don't care to talk to anyone, not sure which |
| 13:09.10 | prpplague | sjhill: hehe |
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| 13:33.56 | prpplague | hmmmmmmm |
| 13:34.03 | prpplague | is it time for beer yet? |
| 13:34.34 | prpplague | mallum: hey if you want to visit barbados nows a good time, virgin atlantic just started a new service from manchester |
| 13:34.44 | prpplague | mallum: some fairs are as low as 100 quid |
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| 13:45.15 | mallum | prpplague: Im am nowhere near manchester unfortunatly |
| 13:46.09 | sjhill | yessir, i'm enjoying watching France reap it |
| 13:46.11 | ade|desk | mallum: its only a short virgin train up to mankyland |
| 13:47.20 | prpplague | sjhill: hehe |
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| 14:29.47 | prpplague | sjhill: you get your broadcom release done? |
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| 14:46.41 | Kaos | Hey room |
| 14:46.46 | Kaos | is anyone there |
| 14:50.19 | sjhill | prpplague: nope |
| 14:50.31 | sjhill | prpplague: i'm tracking down internal problems in libpthreads |
| 14:50.35 | sjhill | pretty wicked stuff |
| 14:50.57 | Kaos | hey you guys know anything about omap |
| 14:51.00 | Kaos | ???? |
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| 14:57.06 | prpplague | Kaos: try #ol |
| 14:57.16 | prpplague | sjhill: fun fun |
| 14:57.44 | prpplague | sjhill: tracking down the last of my bootloader issues |
| 14:57.46 | Kaos | ha ha ha i know |
| 14:57.54 | prpplague | Kaos: ahh ok |
| 14:58.03 | prpplague | Kaos: something specific you need ot know? |
| 14:58.05 | Kaos | i am going to try and boot this bad boy up today |
| 14:58.21 | prpplague | Kaos: which bad boy is that? |
| 14:58.22 | prpplague | osk? |
| 14:58.23 | Kaos | well i need to know if there is a linux patch for a omap 330b |
| 14:58.48 | prpplague | Kaos: the ti folks over in #ol should be able to tell you that |
| 14:59.04 | Kaos | no it was built by ixi but us suprisingly similar to the mpx220 |
| 14:59.11 | Kaos | cool i will check them out |
| 14:59.36 | prpplague | Kaos: the ti ppl are pretty friendly |
| 15:00.00 | Kaos | cool cool |
| 15:00.45 | Kaos | yeah i got ahold of riker and he told me the omap 330 is actually just like the 1710 not the 331 so i am on a right path now |
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| 15:07.58 | Sieg | hi! would anyone have a clue as to why grub is not being built at all (not even downloaded) on buildroot when it is indeed selected? |
| 15:09.00 | Sieg | I don't get any errors during the build process, and no mention of it either |
| 15:10.43 | prpplague | Sieg: several ppl have reported that issue iirc |
| 15:10.48 | prpplague | ~lart CosmicPenguin |
| 15:10.55 | CosmicPenguin | I love you too |
| 15:11.18 | Sieg | prpplague: ok. any manual work around? |
| 15:11.52 | prpplague | Sieg: sorry i have no clue, as i use buildroot for arm based devices |
| 15:12.01 | Sieg | heh, ok |
| 15:12.04 | prpplague | Sieg: the #uclibc channel has been less than helpful |
| 15:12.08 | Sieg | tks anyways |
| 15:12.24 | Sieg | yeah, they basically said to look in here and stop asking there |
| 15:12.28 | prpplague | Sieg: there are some other folks that come and go that work with buildroot as well |
| 15:12.33 | prpplague | Sieg: yea |
| 15:12.40 | prpplague | Sieg: pretty frustrating |
| 15:12.43 | Sieg | :\ |
| 15:12.47 | Kaos | sounds like it |
| 15:12.51 | prpplague | Sieg: as they are the only ones that have cvs access |
| 15:12.52 | jbevren | #uclibc sounds like ircnet #freebsd |
| 15:12.53 | jbevren | lol |
| 15:13.13 | Sieg | worse is that the checks according to the config files are all valid |
| 15:13.22 | Sieg | prpplague: that would not help me much though :) |
| 15:13.32 | Sieg | unfortunately... hehe |
| 15:13.42 | prpplague | Sieg: yea well fixing the issue in cvs would help |
| 15:13.56 | Sieg | yeah, but I don't know code much, if at all |
| 15:15.10 | Kaos | ha ha ha seems overwhelming sometimes |
| 15:16.29 | prpplague | Sieg: ahh |
| 15:18.15 | Sieg | meh, this bug has been assigned since september 19th |
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| 15:22.58 | prpplague | Sieg: yea, if you look there are bugs assigned since januaryt\ |
| 15:25.01 | sjhill | prpplague: you should note that the topic in #uclibc does state that buildroot discussions are held here |
| 15:25.19 | prpplague | sjhill: yea because i added it |
| 15:25.23 | sjhill | prpplague: or your issue is that the people on #uclibc are the only ones with write access |
| 15:25.26 | sjhill | i did? |
| 15:25.51 | sjhill | nope, landley did |
| 15:25.51 | prpplague | sjhill: i thought i did because it wasn't there the other day |
| 15:25.58 | sjhill | *shrug* |
| 15:25.58 | prpplague | sjhill: he changed the wording |
| 15:26.08 | prpplague | sjhill: but i originall added it |
| 15:26.12 | prpplague | oh well |
| 15:26.32 | sjhill | so what i'm hearing is that some bug squashing in buildroot needs to happen |
| 15:26.37 | prpplague | sjhill: yea the ppl with write access don't seem interested in problems with it |
| 15:26.54 | prpplague | sjhill: yea |
| 15:26.58 | sjhill | well, there's a lot going on with uclibc right now |
| 15:27.04 | sjhill | the build system is being overhauled |
| 15:27.07 | sjhill | NPTL support |
| 15:27.14 | sjhill | some POSIX stuff |
| 15:27.18 | sjhill | we're all pretty busy |
| 15:27.28 | prpplague | sjhill: agreed, but there needs to be someone who can handle buildroot issues |
| 15:27.57 | sjhill | prpplague: are you volunteering? |
| 15:28.05 | CosmicPenguin | Only if its being promoted as a working project |
| 15:28.06 | prpplague | sjhill: considering it |
| 15:29.37 | sjhill | prpplague: i would be willing to vote for your write access, i just need the assurance you're going to stick with it for some time |
| 15:31.23 | prpplague | sjhill: let me think about it overnight |
| 15:40.02 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:50.23 | Sieg | sjhill: is there a way to manually force the compilation of a package if it's not being done by the global compilation of buildroot? (grub especially in this case) |
| 15:53.47 | prpplague | wahoo apex is booting on s3c2410 |
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| 16:06.16 | _dario | Can someone tell me which is the exact command I should execute |
| 16:06.40 | _dario | in order to create a device file ttyAM0 for my serial port? |
| 16:07.26 | _dario | I've tried with "mknod ttyAM0 c 0 255" but when I boot my system |
| 16:07.51 | _dario | I have a "could not open /dev/ttyAM0" |
| 16:09.38 | prpplague | _dario: you have to add it to the device_list.txt file so that during the build process it is created |
| 16:10.06 | _dario | And any chance to create it after? |
| 16:10.38 | prpplague | _dario: depending the final result of your image |
| 16:10.59 | prpplague | _dario: some images can be mounted as a loop device and editied |
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| 16:13.05 | _dario | prpplague: I *can* edit my image, if with "edit" you mean modifing it. It's in my hard disk. |
| 16:15.11 | prpplague | _dario: ok, then mount the image, cd to the mount directory plus dev/, i.e. /mnt/loop/dev and do a mknod |
| 16:16.00 | _dario | What's the exact command I should do with mknod? |
| 16:16.48 | _dario | I've tried with "mknod ttyAM0 c 0 255". Is this correct? |
| 16:16.58 | prpplague | _dario: your previous command looks correct, with the understanding that you major/major numbers may be specific to your device |
| 16:17.38 | _dario | How can I understand which are the major/minor number of my device? |
| 16:19.09 | prpplague | _dario: depends on the device and driver you are using |
| 16:19.39 | _dario | And if I put the wrong number here the device could not work? |
| 16:20.12 | prpplague | correct |
| 16:20.27 | prpplague | _dario: you need to provide more details for detailed assitance |
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| 16:25.28 | prpplague | _dario: you need to provide more details for detailed assitance |
| 16:26.31 | _dario | prpplague: I will try to find those numbers somewhere.. |
| 16:26.43 | _dario | prpplague: Thanks for your help :-) |
| 16:26.52 | prpplague | _dario: why not tell us what kind of processor and board you are using |
| 16:27.48 | _dario | arm920t, (cirrus ep9315) |
| 16:28.48 | _dario | Ah! Maybe I've found it.. |
| 16:29.15 | _dario | I've got an old root file system where this device worked: |
| 16:29.37 | _dario | crw------- 1 root tty 204, 16 Oct 24 23:33 ttyAM0 |
| 16:29.54 | prpplague | that is pretty standard for ttyAM0 |
| 16:30.03 | _dario | So minor=204 and major=16, correct? |
| 16:33.38 | prpplague | _dario: other way around |
| 16:33.43 | prpplague | major is first |
| 16:35.11 | _dario | prpplague: Thanks. |
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| 16:40.30 | CosmicPenguin | so much work |
| 16:40.32 | CosmicPenguin | so little time |
| 16:40.47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, you just repeated what i just said |
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| 17:59.38 | prpplague | http://www.nationnews.com/story/318843467897988.php |
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| 18:03.40 | prpplague | it's easier for my wife and i to move to canada where neither of us are citizens, that it is for use to move to the United States where i'm a citizen |
| 18:03.51 | T0mW | prpplague: boy that is a change, to go from living in the tropics to living in the Arctic? |
| 18:04.09 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe, lot of bajans living in canada |
| 18:04.26 | prpplague | just doesn't make sense to me |
| 18:04.37 | T0mW | prpplague: they like to drive fast cars? |
| 18:04.46 | prpplague | i sure expected alot better treatment by my own country |
| 18:04.50 | T0mW | prpplague: for more than a few miles |
| 18:04.57 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe |
| 18:08.19 | prpplague | T0mW: here i am, a US citizen by birth, army veteran, law abiding citizen, and they treat me like dirt |
| 18:14.12 | Crofton | I finally had my fingerprints done again |
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| 18:15.17 | prpplague | Crofton: hehe, they ask what kind of toilet paper you use? or when the was the last time you cut your toe nails? |
| 18:15.36 | Crofton | I haven't made it to the interview yet :) |
| 18:15.41 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:16.00 | prpplague | Crofton: its reallllllllly fun |
| 18:16.18 | Crofton | "Who is the President of the US?" |
| 18:16.23 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:16.26 | Crofton | My response "Dick Cheney" |
| 18:16.31 | prpplague | Crofton: hehe |
| 18:16.43 | Crofton | I suspect they won't have a sense of humour |
| 18:16.53 | prpplague | Crofton: they had donna crying |
| 18:17.00 | Crofton | If the President is incapacitated, who is in charge? |
| 18:17.04 | Crofton | Al Haig |
| 18:17.16 | T0mW | Crofton: got new fingerprints have you? |
| 18:17.22 | Crofton | apparently |
| 18:17.28 | Crofton | they old ones "expired" |
| 18:17.35 | Crofton | new ones done with a scanner |
| 18:17.42 | Crofton | interesting from a technical aspect |
| 18:17.49 | prpplague | <Crofton> If the President is incapacitated, who is in charge? answer bill gates |
| 18:17.52 | T0mW | Crofton: they did not conform to "standards" so that they had to be re-issued |
| 18:17.58 | Crofton | not interesting ten hours driving |
| 18:18.15 | Crofton | finding office carefully hidden behind trees |
| 18:18.21 | Crofton | with very small sign with number |
| 18:18.34 | Crofton | kind of like the complaint dept in monty Python skit |
| 18:18.47 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:19.29 | prpplague | Crofton: kinda like ins there in ft.worth, its not listed on any of the building registers |
| 18:19.40 | Crofton | heh |
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| 18:30.13 | CosmicPenguin | Wow, so much work |
| 18:42.32 | CosmicPenguin | I haven't been able to do a lick of work that I really need to do to day |
| 18:44.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, neither have i |
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| 18:53.45 | prpplague | ugh |
| 18:53.55 | prpplague | i broke something in apex on the s3c2410 :( |
| 18:55.48 | prpplague | doh |
| 18:56.01 | prpplague | i hate it when i use = and meant to use == |
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| 19:15.08 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: re |
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| 19:29.55 | Crofton | hmmm sco is looking for ibm's contributions to 2.7 |
| 19:30.10 | prpplague | Crofton: yea got a laugh out of that |
| 19:31.19 | Crofton | these lawyer fellow aren't real bright |
| 19:31.42 | prpplague | Crofton: nope |
| 19:32.06 | prpplague | Crofton: the ibm ones seem to be doing a pretty good job except for that one slip about linux being public domain |
| 19:32.53 | Crofton | well everyone makes mistakes |
| 19:32.57 | Crofton | occasionally |
| 19:33.43 | prpplague | yep |
| 19:34.03 | prpplague | like i said they seem to be understanding the tech pretty well for lawyers |
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| 20:07.55 | prpplague | ugh |
| 20:08.18 | prpplague | i have one for dailywtf, someone from the office just asked whats 0dec in hex |
| 20:08.33 | chouimat|afk | lol |
| 20:08.36 | T0mW | prpplague: no sh!t? |
| 20:08.41 | prpplague | yea |
| 20:09.00 | T0mW | prpplague: sounds like someone is burned out from coding, eh? |
| 20:09.10 | prpplague | T0mW: non coder |
| 20:09.15 | T0mW | "what is my name?" |
| 20:09.15 | _dario | dario |
| 20:09.28 | chouimat|afk | T0mW: sound like an university student question :) |
| 20:09.51 | T0mW | chouimat|afk: you mean that is not on page X of the textbook? |
| 20:10.15 | chouimat|afk | lol |
| 20:10.53 | T0mW | ugh, it is Tuesday, again |
| 20:11.19 | T0mW | prpplague: writing this DOS layer is taking a lot of time |
| 20:11.29 | prpplague | T0mW: i told ya |
| 20:11.59 | T0mW | prpplague: I'm gonna have to charge you a bunch of Bajan women for this one |
| 20:12.25 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe, don't need it now, hehe |
| 20:12.34 | prpplague | T0mW: i've already finished porting apex |
| 20:12.49 | T0mW | prpplague: ok, the read operations are working ok, I am now on the write ops |
| 20:12.50 | prpplague | T0mW: all i had to do was add the mmc/sd layer, it already had a good fat layer |
| 20:13.35 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah, it is prolly stripped down a lot more than my code. I am going for general purpose use |
| 20:14.16 | T0mW | also, it is tied in with NewLib, the (struct _reent *)r->_errno etc. |
| 20:15.03 | T0mW | prpplague: I'm going to take a break from it and code some other stuff for a while. |
| 20:15.38 | T0mW | it doesn't look like I'll be able to build the second prototype until late next week |
| 20:16.03 | prpplague | T0mW: ahh, always good to take a break on detailed items like that |
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| 21:35.18 | T0mW | does anyone have experience with posix file streams? |
| 21:36.31 | T0mW | like, if you open a stream to a device, how do you keep libc from holding data in the outgoing file buffer and get it to effectively flush the buffer each time you write to it? |
| 21:36.42 | T0mW | is that the isatty() function? |
| 21:38.18 | T0mW | is isatty() supposed to tell libc that the file descriptor is to a terminal and i/o should be done immediately, while if the file descriptor is to another device type, it is okay to buffer data? |
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| 21:53.01 | CosmicPenguin | I haven't been able to do a lick of work today |
| 21:57.16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i started off bad, but finally got moving later in the day |
| 21:57.53 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, the linux application development book has all that in it, hehe |
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| 22:10.13 | prpplague | sorphin: greetings |
| 22:10.19 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: man, that Socket F.. F is right, for fugly |
| 22:10.53 | CosmicPenguin | As long as it works, though, right? |
| 22:11.22 | sorphin | true |
| 22:12.25 | CosmicPenguin | grrr |
| 22:12.33 | CosmicPenguin | why does SSH+PAM work for some people and not for others? |
| 22:12.36 | CosmicPenguin | ~lart nis |
| 22:15.01 | T`2 | CosmicPenguin, any clue when socket F is coming out ;) |
| 22:16.30 | sorphin | when it comes out ;) |
| 22:16.37 | CosmicPenguin | Thats not my department |
| 22:17.06 | sorphin | T`2: CosmicPenguin just deals in shiney rocks (Geodes) |
| 22:17.38 | CosmicPenguin | and people trying to turn unshiny rocks into shiny rocks (Alchemy) |
| 22:17.41 | T`2 | i c.. cool |
| 22:18.02 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: any word from the PHB btw? |
| 22:18.09 | CosmicPenguin | regarding? |
| 22:18.22 | sorphin | releasing any more Alchemys |
| 22:18.46 | CosmicPenguin | Unlikely - that dude disappeared like a fart in the wind |
| 22:18.51 | CosmicPenguin | nobody knows where those stocks went to |
| 22:19.17 | sorphin | ic |
| 22:19.30 | prpplague | hehe |
| 22:19.35 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth didn't even get his |
| 22:19.46 | T`2 | u guys paid for it? |
| 22:20.11 | sorphin | no |
| 22:20.25 | sorphin | T`2: settle down |
| 22:31.36 | T0mW | prpplague: the what book? |
| 22:32.44 | prpplague | T0mW: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0201308215/104-5895866-0113516?v=glance&n=283155&s=books&v=glance |
| 22:35.15 | T0mW | prpplague: good book or just more fluff stuff? |
| 22:35.40 | prpplague | T0mW: imho excellent reference |
| 22:35.54 | prpplague | T0mW: if you need to do userland apps, thats the book imho |
| 22:36.09 | prpplague | T0mW: has good examples and clear explanations |
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| 22:37.08 | T0mW | YO! $65!!! |
| 22:37.09 | Crofton_ | hmm |
| 22:37.32 | Crofton_ | on x86_64 int is 4 bytes and ptr 8? |
| 22:38.40 | CosmicPenguin | Crofton: yeah |
| 22:38.58 | CosmicPenguin | long is always the local system pointer size, and int is always 32 |
| 22:39.02 | Crofton_ | just checking the results of a config script I saw |
| 22:39.25 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: so grock this - I'm doing NIS login, and the default shell is /usr/local/bin/tcsh |
| 22:39.29 | Crofton_ | so the real problem is if people assumed ptr == int |
| 22:39.43 | CosmicPenguin | so on my old server, I add the softlink in /usr/local/bin to /bin/sh, and everyone is happy |
| 22:39.53 | CosmicPenguin | But on my new server, that didn't work |
| 22:40.17 | CosmicPenguin | turned out that whatever combination of login/PAM/sshd on my old box resolved the softlink and then compared it to /etc/shells |
| 22:40.26 | CosmicPenguin | while my new box compared the softlink name itself to /etc/sheels |
| 22:40.33 | CosmicPenguin | gah - took me half a day to figure out |
| 22:40.50 | CosmicPenguin | Crofton: oh, yeah - thats the bitch of it |
| 22:40.55 | CosmicPenguin | unsigned long != unsigned int |
| 22:41.23 | T0mW | prpplague: used for $10, thanks |
| 22:44.41 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: you saying that your long is longer than my long? |
| 22:44.53 | CosmicPenguin | you betcha |
| 22:44.53 | T0mW | :D |
| 22:45.01 | T0mW | LOL |
| 22:45.24 | T0mW | s/lo/do/g |
| 22:48.47 | CosmicPenguin | anyone here other then kergoth use colinux? |
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| 23:01.39 | prpplague | T0mW: npp |
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