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00:07.06sorphinha
00:07.15sorphinkergoth: where's he goin then?
00:07.20kergoth*shrugs*
00:07.23kergothguess he'll find a place
00:07.35kergothand he'll have to go get his furniture out of storage, where its been for like 12 years
00:07.39kergothsince everything here is mine.
00:08.16sorphinhehe
00:08.36file[laptop]I hate waiting for stuff
00:08.43kergothwhat are you waiting for?
00:09.03file[laptop]I ordered a dedicated server, and I'm waiting on the cellphone that I got at a discount under my plan
00:09.14kergothah
00:09.44file[laptop]sorphin: pfft not even going through customs
00:09.59file[laptop]except these packets are...
00:10.30sorphinwoo
00:10.41sorphinonly thing lighting the basement is one of those luminglas'
00:10.48sorphina rainbow one going to the music
00:11.38CosmicPenguinApparently sorphin is set for some lovin'
00:11.53file[laptop]I get to play with bluetooth+1X CDMA soon
00:12.03CosmicPenguinfile[laptop]: hey, you're alive
00:12.08CosmicPenguinyou gonna be around tommorrow morning?
00:12.14file[laptop]I'm always alive.
00:12.21file[laptop]define morning in timezone terms
00:12.26sorphinCosmicPenguin: no, set for fun :P
00:12.33file[laptop]I will be awake at 9AM CST
00:12.37sorphinmissy's in class till 9:30
00:16.09file[laptop]my intarweb is b0rken still
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14:03.13prpplagueanyone remember that small fb fui toolkit?
14:03.24prpplaguefoogui or fbgui or something like that?
14:05.07T0mWprpplague: http://www.free-soft.org/guitool/
14:05.14T0mWprpplague: maybe mentioned there
14:06.35prpplagueT0mW: thanks i'll look
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14:10.51prpplagueCosmicPenguin: speak of the devil
14:10.55CosmicPenguingrr - my stupid server is doing the readonly disk thing again
14:11.12CosmicPenguinThats so frkickin strange
14:11.20prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hey, remember that small fb gui toolkit you pointed me to? i've lost the url
14:11.36CosmicPenguinWas it in kernel?
14:11.39prpplagueCosmicPenguin: something like foogui
14:11.50CosmicPenguinhttp://fbui.org/
14:11.52CosmicPenguinThere's that
14:11.54CosmicPenguinif that was it
14:11.57prpplagueCosmicPenguin: yea thats it
14:13.08prpplagueCosmicPenguin: looks like we got the go ahead to turn our fb app in to a more generic fb gui toolkit
14:14.09prpplagueCosmicPenguin: the junior programmer/linux guy is gonna handle it, i'll just be adding my $.02
14:14.33CosmicPenguinnice
14:18.39kergothmorning
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14:21.30prpplague~lart kergoth
14:21.40prpplaguekergoth: morning crack baby
14:21.52prpplaguekergoth: had your morning intact of caffine yet?
14:23.24CosmicPenguinkergoth: have you ever seen a ATA drive all of a sudden go read only on its own, but the kernel still thinks the drive is read-write?
14:23.45kergoththe only time i've ever seen that is with CF and SD cards.
14:24.13CosmicPenguinstrangest damn thing
14:24.24CosmicPenguinand very annoying, since thats my web and mail server
14:24.29kergoththey tend to do that if there's corruption in the filesystem.  when it happens to cards, i have the users fsck.
14:24.35kergothwhich wouldnt be a bad idea for you either ;)
14:24.36sorphinCosmicPenguin: the kernel doesn't know the difference when it's a hw change
14:24.55sorphinit's probably SMART kicking in
14:25.04kergoththats a good point too
14:25.10CosmicPenguinyou know, I might have SMART turned off
14:25.31CosmicPenguinthats a great point
14:25.57CosmicPenguinI fscked on reboot, no issues
14:26.18CosmicPenguinDamn it all - I guess I just need a new drive
14:34.00sorphinhehe
14:34.07jbevren4 120's, 8 160's
14:34.12sorphin1 200
14:34.14jbevrenraid5 on each group, appended via lvm
14:34.19jbevren1.3T overall
14:34.22CosmicPenguinThis drive has lasted a long time
14:34.50sorphinCosmicPenguin: as old as prpplague eh?
14:34.54sorphinman, that's old ;)
14:34.59prpplaguesorphin: eh?
14:35.08CosmicPenguinThat is old
14:35.40sorphinonly one older is T0mW, and well, he knew god on the 7th day hehe
14:38.30CosmicPenguinThe only thing worse then QT3 is QT4
14:41.27kergothwtf
14:41.28kergothEXT2-fs: loop0: couldn't mount because of unsupported optional features (4).
14:41.31kergothsigh
14:41.36kergothcant loop mount this ext2 image
14:41.38sorphinkergoth: you said that yesterday too
14:41.48kergothits just as annoying today as it was yesterday
14:42.02sorphinno idea what the optionals are?
14:42.11jbevrenmount it ext3
14:42.13jbevrendrr. :)
14:42.15kergothnope. not specifying any
14:42.15sorphinhehe
14:42.21sorphinthat's what i was thinking
14:42.24kergothdoh
14:42.24sorphinext3
14:42.32jbevrenits the journal option thats blocking it I bet
14:42.36jbevrenI ran into that a bit
14:42.44kergothwtf, i've never had a problem mounting ext3 filesystems as ext2 before
14:42.47kergothsomething withi loop?
14:42.50jbevrendunno
14:42.52sorphinprolly loop
14:42.53jbevrenits hit-and-miss for me
14:42.54kergothweird
14:43.04sorphinnormal mounting warns you
14:43.05kergothoh well, thanks
14:43.11sorphinbut loopfs is an oddity in itself
14:44.54jbevrenhmm
14:47.51kergothand why is ext2 above ext3 in /proc/filesystems?
14:47.56kergothand why does this box have no /etc/filesystems?
14:47.58kergothbah
14:49.01sorphinuh
14:49.06sorphin<PROTECTED>
14:49.12sorphinnever had one of those
14:49.36sorphinand in /proc/filesystems ordering does not matter
14:50.30prpplagueisn't their a plug in for gimp for simple photo editing?
14:51.23kergothsorphin: yes, it does.
14:51.41kergothsorphin: when you dont specify a filesystem, it attempts to mount them in the order of the listing in those files.
14:51.48kergothsorphin: so its trying ext2 before ext3.
14:52.04sorphinkergoth: well, i've never seen proc/filesystems be reorderable
14:52.10kergothit isnt.
14:52.12sorphinand as i said, i've never even seen an /etc/filesystems
14:52.14kergothand i didnt say it was
14:52.23kergothi said that the order wasnt what it should be.
14:52.25sorphini've always seen ext2 get tried 1st
14:52.39sorphineven when i used ext3, heh
14:52.42kergothif i put two lines in /etc/filesystems, ext3, then ext2, itll try them in that order.
14:52.47sorphinnod
14:52.58kergothwe've had to enhance automounting that way in OZ before, for cf cards and stuff
14:53.04kergothsince we donjt know ahead of time what it is
14:53.04sorphingotcha
14:53.15sorphinfair enough
14:56.01prpplagueha - http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,173346,00.html
15:00.08prpplaguesilly silly
15:01.09CosmicPenguingrrr....
15:01.24prpplague"Prime Minister Paul Martin (search) argues that half of all gun crimes in Canada are committed with weapons obtained illegally from the U.S. "
15:02.02prpplaguegee, these handgun laws have done nothing but keep law abiding citizens from having a gun, hehe
15:02.07kergothhahaha
15:02.10kergothenum Bool
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15:02.30prpplaguekergoth: ha were did you find that?
15:02.39kergothhttp://www.thedailywtf.com/
15:02.46kergothgreat site :)
15:03.15sorphinprpplague: no comment
15:03.31CosmicPenguin~lart qt4
15:03.56sorphinmmmmm Krispy Kreme
15:04.37CosmicPenguinI've never seen that site before
15:04.39prpplaguekergoth: cool site, bookmarked
15:04.47prpplaguekergoth: omg - "After taking one quick look at the data stream, the young expert engineer/scientest laughed: Well, duh! There's your problem! You have letters all mixed in with the numbers!."
15:04.56kergothlmao
15:06.00CosmicPenguinThe screenshots on the October 14 post are funny
15:06.11CosmicPenguin"An unnamed file was not found"
15:06.45CosmicPenguinThe Oct 17 is hilarious too
15:06.54sorphinprpplague: but i went to Purdue!
15:07.55kergothhehe
15:08.37sorphinsounds more like he went to Perdue, the chicken company
15:09.29CosmicPenguinSomething like that would blow my mind
15:09.48CosmicPenguinI would probably just stare at him with a horrifed look on my face
15:10.07sorphinand people wonder why i wouldnt' touch a CS degree
15:10.14sorphin:P
15:10.49CosmicPenguinHey, jackass - I got a CS degree, and they taught me both binary and hexdecmial
15:11.03sorphinCosmicPenguin: but i bet you didn't go to purdue! ;)
15:11.06sorphinhehe
15:11.08CosmicPenguinheh
15:11.16sorphinoh, that's right
15:11.20sorphinyou went to BYU :P
15:11.25CosmicPenguinohhhhhh......
15:11.54CosmicPenguinThat was pretty damn funny, though...
15:12.53sorphinCosmicPenguin: so can i get a PIC for $19.95 yet? :)
15:13.10CosmicPenguin299.95 yes
15:13.14CosmicPenguin19.95 - not so much
15:13.46sorphinfor $299.95 it better come w/ a real geode too :P
15:14.06CosmicPenguinNo joke
15:23.14kergoth:)
15:23.17sorphinheh
15:23.32kergothi need to install the firefox del.icio.us plugins on my work and desktop machines
15:23.42kergothi use it constantly.  all my bookmarks are there.
15:23.44CosmicPenguinI have the javascript applet
15:23.49CosmicPenguinbut I need the plugin
15:23.54CosmicPenguinI should also install the tinyurl plugin
15:24.07kergothi have two plugins, one add the 'post to del.icio.us' right click menu options for the pages
15:24.18kergothand the other syncs down the del.icio.us links into your bookmarks
15:24.23kergothooh, tinyurl plugin
15:24.37CosmicPenguinI guess its just a java script too
15:25.01CosmicPenguinWhere did you get the del.icio.us plugins?
15:25.09kergothit lets me have one set of bookmarks no matter where i am.
15:25.11kergothwhatever machine i'm on, i have them
15:25.16kergoththats the main advantage
15:25.21kergothCosmicPenguin: umm.. hell... i dont remember
15:25.42CosmicPenguinI guess I can find it
15:25.48CosmicPenguinthat would be nice to have the right click thing
15:26.00kergothyeah, its much more convenient
15:26.09kergoth'post link to del.icio.us', 'post page to del.icio.us'
15:33.41CosmicPenguinI have my del.icio.us RSS on my blog too
15:33.52kergothnice
15:35.51kergothdamnit
15:36.03kergoththe version of busybox netcat in this rootfs doesnt support -l
15:36.04filekergoth: you need a blog
15:36.56kergothperhaps
15:37.08CosmicPenguinohhhh, file
15:37.30filethat's me, with my mouth full of fries
15:37.40CosmicPenguinfile: ok - I need your VoIPish advice
15:37.44kergothooh, fries
15:37.49filesure
15:38.07CosmicPenguinI've been asked to evaluate two SLICs to determine which is the better for supporting with software
15:38.15fileohhhhhhhh
15:38.17CosmicPenguinwww.legerity.com/getdoc.php?id=1038
15:38.24CosmicPenguinhttp://www.silabs.com/tgwWebApp/public/web_content/products/Wireline/ProSLIC/en/Si3210-11_documentation.htm
15:38.35filepeople like the silabs one a lot
15:38.40filepeople being companies
15:38.46CosmicPenguinFor good reasons?
15:39.24filewell
15:39.47fileto be honest no :)
15:40.13CosmicPenguinok
15:40.32CosmicPenguinthis is why I asked you... :)
15:40.36filethe first one I've never even looked at, but I can tell you the second one is used in some Digium products and they haven't turned out well
15:40.49CosmicPenguinAny specific reason
15:40.50CosmicPenguin?
15:41.01fileit might be their hardware design though for their stuff, they cut corners ... a lot
15:41.14CosmicPenguinSo the suckers are flaky?
15:41.19fileyeah
15:41.35CosmicPenguinI can tell you that our systems guys are leaning towards the silabs ones, so if I can bring them some evidence that they suck, that will help
15:41.49CosmicPenguinI have experience with the legerity part, and its not all beer and skittles
15:42.41filethe slic on the TDM400P cards for Digium are 3210s
15:42.47fileand I know a person with 100% failure rate on those cards
15:43.09CosmicPenguinso straight out hardware crappiness
15:43.23fileyeah
15:43.41fileprintk("ProSLIC on module %d insane (1) %d should be 2\n", card, blah);
15:44.12CosmicPenguinSo how about Asterisk - any problems with either?
15:44.21fileit doesn't scale
15:44.25fileand it uses A LOT of locks
15:44.29fileso deadlocking... occurs
15:44.56CosmicPenguinOk, so we're totally leaning toward Legerity at this point
15:45.00filehaha
15:45.44CosmicPenguinI appreciate your assistance
15:45.54filethe PDF on the legerity is amusing
15:45.55prpplagueyea those items are hilarious
15:46.15prpplaguekergoth: thanks for the link
15:46.50file16 bit linear coding, it's a good thing
15:47.07prpplagueCosmicPenguin: my last department manager there at abcsinc had a degree in communications and languages
15:47.09CosmicPenguinThat what the legerity has?
15:47.16fileand ULAW+ALAW
15:47.31prpplagueCosmicPenguin: but had no clue what the rosetta stone was
15:47.58CosmicPenguinprpplague: no joke?
15:47.59CosmicPenguinprpplague: really?
15:48.26fileCosmicPenguin: if you could get something that did accurate call progression, that would be cool
15:48.51fileassuming you were doing FXO too
15:49.16CosmicPenguinOk - so do you have any SLICs you would  recommend?
15:49.30filenot really, I don't deal in that department ;)
15:49.48fileI could find out what Sangoma is using though, probably
15:49.56CosmicPenguinOk - 16 bit linear is good, ULAW+ALAW is good, and accurate call progression is good
15:50.23fileyeah on FXO stuff (where you plug a telco line into it) it's hard to do call progress so you don't know when the other end is ringing, busy, whatever
15:51.43prpplagueCosmicPenguin: no joke
15:51.52filein Asterisk there's software based support but it mistakes your voice for hangup sometimes...
15:54.00prpplagueCosmicPenguin: he was soooo proud of his degrees too
15:54.33prpplagueCosmicPenguin: he also had a business degree
15:55.54prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i asked him "you have a degree in communications and have no clue about the rosetta stone?" "nope, and obviously its not important, as i'm making six figures and it hasn't come up till now"
15:56.30filebastard
16:03.11prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hehe did you see the one on the switch case?
16:03.37prpplagueCosmicPenguin: http://www.thedailywtf.com/forums/47011/ShowPost.aspx
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16:08.37prpplagueargh, i have to try hard not to start up any projects that don't involve improving my embedded software and hardware skills
16:34.48prpplaguehehe found a 17crt in the trash this morning
16:34.54jbevrenfun :)
16:35.18prpplaguejbevren: hehe appears the only thing wrong was a fuse blown
16:35.25jbevrennice :)
16:35.29jbevrenelectric surge eh?
16:35.43prpplaguejbevren: yea, the juice here isn't very clean
16:39.37jbevrennod
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16:59.28sorphinfile[laptop]: well of course digium's designs suck.. they went from using off the shelf modems that they claim they designed, to actually having to design a card :P
16:59.53file[laptop]it's a reference card really, the TDM400P
17:00.02sorphinyeah
17:00.35file[laptop]my boss boss had dinner with a chinese manufacturer that does them
17:00.41file[laptop]completely compatible with the wctdm driver, but they make 'em
17:00.43file[laptop]cheaper too
17:00.53sorphinheh
17:01.06file[laptop]so we're the sole primary distributor of them or something
17:01.19sorphinso has mark actually designed anything?
17:01.30sorphinor just 'borrowed' reference designs
17:01.39file[laptop]I think he's made some stuff
17:01.46file[laptop]well sorta
17:01.56file[laptop]http://www.digium.com/index.php?menu=product_detail&category=hardware&product=TDM2400P
17:01.59file[laptop]take a look at 'dat
17:04.27sorphinlooks liek an extended tdm400
17:04.29sorphinheh
17:04.44file[laptop]yeah
17:04.52file[laptop]it's to replace instances where you need a channel bank
17:05.04sorphinah
17:05.41sorphinhehe
17:05.44sorphini don't blame you
17:06.02file[laptop]I want a closer look at the thing though, to see what it's using for chipsets
17:06.10sorphinyeah
17:06.13kergothdpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libgpmg1-dev | not+linux-gnu
17:06.14kergothhaha
17:06.15file[laptop]cause then I can tell whether it's based off a reference or not, cause I've figured out what's used in most of the stuff now
17:06.23sorphinkergoth: ha
17:06.40sorphinfile[laptop]: prolly is just a tdm400 on steroids
17:10.13CosmicPenguinfile: could I not assume however, that the Digium would work better with Asterisk, thereby the silabs chip would work better with Asterisk?
17:10.38file[laptop]CosmicPenguin: well theoretically you could just look at the existing driver that uses the silabs to implement it
17:11.11file[laptop]but as for working better? no, not really
17:11.26CosmicPenguinI'm sure I could find Asterisk contractors to write a Legrity driver if I needed, huh? :)
17:11.33file[laptop]probably
17:11.55file[laptop]Sangoma is coming out with analog stuff though, and we have a sorta partnership with them... :)
17:12.11CosmicPenguinBut no doubt you know people
17:12.15file[laptop]of course I do
17:13.19file[laptop]sorphin: so yeah, nice price difference from our price and Digium eh? exact same card
17:14.25file[laptop]CosmicPenguin: echo cancellation is a good thing too
17:15.12CosmicPenguinfile: really appreciate your help
17:16.20file[laptop]if someone came out with analog equipment for asterisk that did good echo cancellation, call progress, and just worked - they could corner the market
17:16.29file[laptop]cause as it is, nobody can do it right
17:16.46file[laptop]I would personally spend the money on a T1 card and channel bank, just because the channel bank will work better/right
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17:17.43CosmicPenguinObviously you can guess that we're looking to make a refrence design
17:18.01CosmicPenguinI could care less abou the slic, but it would be nice to sell more geodes
17:18.22filemuahahahahaha
17:27.27prpplagueCosmicPenguin: doing a Voip Ref design?
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17:29.27CosmicPenguinprpplague: not me, but somebody in this building is
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18:49.25prpplagueCosmicPenguin: did you read over the wiki page for my juicebox cart?
18:49.36CosmicPenguinyep
18:49.46CosmicPenguineven put it on my blog - not that any visits my blog, but it will get google botted
18:49.56prpplagueCosmicPenguin: curious as to whether i had enough details on the page? i.e. was it clear?
18:50.46CosmicPenguinyeah
18:50.59CosmicPenguinI'm sure if people have questins, they'll ask
18:53.13prpplaguehmm no one has
18:53.28prpplagueCosmicPenguin: just wanted to make sure i gave enough details
18:59.05CosmicPenguinPeople will get into it eventually
18:59.23CosmicPenguinits enough of a nitch that there aren't too many interested folks
18:59.33CosmicPenguinbut some day, somebody is gong to come looking, and there you will be
18:59.41prpplaguehehe
18:59.53prpplagueCosmicPenguin: actually it has alot to do with nand flash interfacing
19:00.45prpplagueCosmicPenguin: were the pictures of what needed to be cut and soldered easy to understand?
19:01.52CosmicPenguinYeah
19:02.08CosmicPenguinI liked how you did it
19:10.02CosmicPenguinDon't worry about it man - you've got mega geek karma
19:11.02prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hehe
19:26.25CosmicPenguinprpplague: http://www.numair.com/2005/10/indian-techie-flamewar.html
19:26.28CosmicPenguinyou'll appreciate that
19:29.34prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hehe that is funny
19:47.16prpplagueCosmicPenguin: might be cute - http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=BLK-USBPS2-2160-WB
20:00.16CosmicPenguinheh
20:00.18CosmicPenguinI've seen those before
20:00.33CosmicPenguinIronically, its a "dayilght sale special"
20:02.48prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i wonder if this shows up as a generic mass storage device - http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=KEY007&cat=CAM
20:02.51CosmicPenguinprpplague: brain fart
20:03.08CosmicPenguinprpplague: isn't there a printf() flag to extend a char N times, like say I wanted to print 10 '-'?
20:03.30CosmicPenguinprpplague: odds are not in your favor
20:03.45CosmicPenguinI had something similar, and it was totally not a mass storage
20:03.57CosmicPenguinthe photo apps might support it though
20:04.03prpplagueCosmicPenguin: yea
20:05.16prpplagueCosmicPenguin: according to the docs get does show up as a generic mass storage
20:05.24prpplagueCosmicPenguin: think i'll grab one
20:07.17CosmicPenguinSounds like fun
20:14.28prpplagueCosmicPenguin: need a small camera to take little pics with
20:19.19prpplagueCosmicPenguin: yea found a couple emails about that camera looks to work fine with usb mass storage
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21:44.57CosmicPenguinor rather - peap
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23:03.02sorphinjoe_bleau: hey
23:19.41joe_bleauHowdy.
23:20.51sorphinjoe_bleau: found a deal for the video, now just have to solder
23:21.03joe_bleau??
23:21.28sorphinjoe_bleau: i totally forgot, the serial ports and vga all go the the connectors that go to the backplane, i could tap off of those :P
23:21.37sorphinon the board side
23:22.07joe_bleauInstead of the rear panel interface socket?
23:22.23sorphinuh
23:22.30sorphinthat'd require disecting the case
23:22.39sorphini'm just gonna run back up to the front
23:22.48sorphinsince that's where the ps2 connector is
23:24.07joe_bleauSo, does it work?
23:24.22sorphini still have to go solder to the pins now
23:24.23sorphin:P
23:24.37sorphinhence why i said i just have to solder
23:24.48joe_bleauOh, ok.  Do you have pinouts?  (Correct pinouts?)
23:24.56sorphinyes
23:25.18sorphinthe pinouts of the connectors for the backplane (including the rio hookups) are in the manual
23:26.05joe_bleauWell, sounds like you'll be fixed right up then.
23:26.19sorphinhopefully
23:26.19sorphinheh
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