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| 04:24.30 | T` | hey |
| 04:24.37 | T` | sup |
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| 04:37.50 | Russ | check out my new work polo: http://photobucket.com/albums/y4/RussDill/? |
| 04:37.52 | Russ | er |
| 04:38.00 | Russ | http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/RussDill/Workshirt.jpg |
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| 14:15.20 | CosmicPenguin | morning folks - |
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| 14:16.26 | prpplague^2 | cbrake: hola |
| 14:16.33 | prpplague^2 | cbrake: whats cookin today? |
| 14:17.34 | cbrake | prpplague^2: hey, not much. Just a little work on a MIPS bootloader ... |
| 14:17.38 | cbrake | prpplague^2: how about you? |
| 14:17.45 | CosmicPenguin | what am I, chopped liver? |
| 14:18.09 | prpplague^2 | cbrake: debugging a legacy kernel :( |
| 14:18.23 | prpplague^2 | CosmicPenguin: chitlans |
| 14:18.31 | CosmicPenguin | mmmmm....chitlans |
| 14:18.52 | cbrake | prpplague^2: heh, its hard to go back to the old stuff |
| 14:19.42 | prpplague^2 | cbrake: still hacking the JuiceBox in what little spare time i have |
| 14:20.27 | cbrake | prpplague^2: nod |
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| 14:53.52 | prpplague | interesting LOST epi last night |
| 14:59.31 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: heh, yeah |
| 14:59.34 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: you into that show too? |
| 15:00.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: sorta, i'm not like a fanatic |
| 15:01.09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: but i find it much better than the ordinary crap on tv these days |
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| 15:02.02 | CosmicPenguin | My wife digs all the theories and stuff |
| 15:02.11 | CosmicPenguin | I like it because there's always more to the eye then just the TV show |
| 15:02.17 | CosmicPenguin | which is why I like classic Simpsons, too, I think |
| 15:03.01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, i like alot of the simpons episodes that connan obrien wrote on |
| 15:03.19 | CosmicPenguin | Monorail, monorail, monorail! |
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| 15:11.31 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ho ho ho |
| 15:11.40 | CosmicPenguin | DId I go somewhere? |
| 15:12.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: no |
| 15:20.03 | CosmicPenguin | crap - thats twice I spilled my coffee today |
| 15:21.29 | CosmicPenguin | \p - thats twice I spilled my coffee today |
| 15:21.33 | CosmicPenguin | oops |
| 15:22.50 | CosmicPenguin | sorry |
| 15:22.56 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:23.26 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: taking tomorrow off before i go completely insane |
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| 15:25.23 | prpplague | chouimat: ho ho ho |
| 15:25.37 | chouimat | hi prpplague |
| 15:25.37 | CosmicPenguin | thats good |
| 15:25.48 | CosmicPenguin | hit the beach |
| 15:25.49 | CosmicPenguin | drink rum |
| 15:25.52 | CosmicPenguin | screw the world |
| 15:25.55 | chouimat | I'm up since 6:30 trying to get xen working ... and it's working |
| 15:25.56 | CosmicPenguin | works for me |
| 15:25.59 | prpplague | chouimat: hehe, going to do some tours, hehe |
| 15:26.07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe that was for you |
| 15:26.12 | CosmicPenguin | 6:30? You animial |
| 15:26.29 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: was completely awake since 6 |
| 15:26.36 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: gonna do the mt.gay rum distillary tour and the banks brewery tour |
| 15:26.41 | CosmicPenguin | fun |
| 15:26.49 | chouimat | prpplague: cool |
| 15:26.56 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe i've been on both before, but funny thing is that my wife has never been |
| 15:27.17 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe i'll be wasted by the end of the day as both tours include free drinks afterwards |
| 15:27.29 | CosmicPenguin | Thats usual though - there are lots of things in Wyoming that I have never done |
| 15:27.34 | CosmicPenguin | Chuckwagon dinners and such |
| 15:28.06 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: gotta find a babysitter for my son for tomorrow night though :( |
| 15:28.16 | CosmicPenguin | thats the price you pay for drinking free booze |
| 15:28.37 | prpplague | yea its a beoych here though |
| 15:28.51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: there aren't any babysitters per se |
| 15:29.03 | CosmicPenguin | heh - is it fair for me to complain about a 7 second kernel boot? |
| 15:29.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: uh yea |
| 15:29.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: sounds odd |
| 15:29.33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: x86? |
| 15:29.36 | CosmicPenguin | yeah |
| 15:29.41 | CosmicPenguin | I blame udev |
| 15:30.07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: my lh79520 board was taking about 15 secs because the cache wasn't enabled |
| 15:30.18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: dropped down to like 2 secs after i got it fixed |
| 15:31.02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: http://www.banksbeer.com |
| 15:31.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: http://www.mountgayrum.com/ |
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| 16:39.27 | CosmicPenguin | heh - I love it when people try to recall messages |
| 16:41.35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 16:41.48 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: argh i still can't get the hang of this fat fs |
| 16:42.19 | CosmicPenguin | Its still bothering you? |
| 16:43.29 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea i still can't seem to figure out how to go from c/h/s to the actual block address |
| 16:44.02 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm.... |
| 16:44.24 | CosmicPenguin | Thats new territory for me - I always did fat on a IDE drive |
| 16:45.33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ahh so you always just passed a c/h/s address and got back data? |
| 16:46.09 | CosmicPenguin | well, I'm in userland in Linux remember |
| 16:46.27 | CosmicPenguin | but yeah, generally, I dealt directly with c/h/s, or at least I knew how to turn that into blocks |
| 16:46.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i thought you did some work with syslinux though |
| 16:46.38 | CosmicPenguin | But I never actually dealt with writing it on the bare hardware |
| 16:46.46 | CosmicPenguin | And certainly not on flash |
| 16:46.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: so how did you know how to turn that into blocks? |
| 16:47.13 | CosmicPenguin | 512 bytes... :) |
| 16:47.16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: just looking at it on sd card at the momment |
| 16:47.36 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: right i under stand that, but how did you convert a c/h/s address into a block address? |
| 16:49.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: for example if you have 512 byte block, 60 sectors/track, 1 head, how do you go to head=0,cylinder=1, sector=1 ? |
| 16:52.09 | CosmicPenguin | Oh, I see what you're asking |
| 16:52.43 | CosmicPenguin | ok, if I remember correctly, each cyl is heads * sects |
| 16:53.23 | CosmicPenguin | So if you had a freaky ass drive with CHS =10,10,10, then in your example, that would be sector 11 |
| 16:53.31 | CosmicPenguin | sorry |
| 16:53.33 | CosmicPenguin | sector 100 |
| 16:53.58 | CosmicPenguin | bad example - lets try again |
| 16:54.03 | CosmicPenguin | CHS = 2, 10, 10 |
| 16:54.43 | CosmicPenguin | so then 0,1,1 would equal sector (2* 10) + 1 = 21 |
| 16:54.47 | CosmicPenguin | or 20, because its 0 based |
| 16:54.51 | kergoth | ugh |
| 16:55.36 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you lost me |
| 16:55.44 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yeah, I lost myself |
| 16:55.49 | CosmicPenguin | ok, lets go real world |
| 16:55.56 | CosmicPenguin | whats your disk geometry? |
| 16:56.40 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: for example if you have 512 byte block, 60 sectors/track , 1 head and 1012 cylinders , how do you go to head=0,cylinder=1, sector=1 ? |
| 16:57.02 | prpplague | what block does that correspond to? |
| 17:00.51 | CosmicPenguin | CHS= 1012,1,60 |
| 17:01.37 | CosmicPenguin | So that would be (1 * (60 * 1)) + 1 = 61 |
| 17:01.51 | CosmicPenguin | cyl * (S * H) + sect |
| 17:02.41 | CosmicPenguin | And then 60 * 512 - your raw address is offset 31232 |
| 17:02.46 | CosmicPenguin | s/60/61/ |
| 17:05.47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: wher S= sectors/track and H=number of heads |
| 17:05.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: correct? |
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| 17:08.43 | CosmicPenguin | yes |
| 17:09.02 | CosmicPenguin | But I can't remember right now if the c/h/s addresses are zero based or not |
| 17:09.28 | CosmicPenguin | duh |
| 17:09.31 | CosmicPenguin | of course they are |
| 17:09.35 | CosmicPenguin | head=0 |
| 17:09.42 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: that appears to be correct as it got me to fat entry |
| 17:10.01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: sorry boot sector for the partition |
| 17:13.44 | CosmicPenguin | so then can we safely say that bob is your uncle? |
| 17:19.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ? |
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| 17:21.41 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 17:21.48 | CosmicPenguin | I thought you were in a British colony? :) |
| 17:22.47 | prpplague | long removed |
| 17:23.45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ahh |
| 17:24.04 | CosmicPenguin | An old manager of mine used the term alot |
| 17:24.11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: for me, bob is definetly not related |
| 17:24.36 | CosmicPenguin | Its not very common in the US, except to make fun of England - Austin Powers said it once, and the Simpsons have said it several times |
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| 17:33.16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: now to deal with clusters |
| 17:44.44 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: fun fun fun |
| 17:44.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: a little closer |
| 17:44.58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: problems with clusers now |
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| 17:58.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: what the heck is the name of those read/writing to fat devices without mounting? |
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| 18:03.57 | CosmicPenguin | mtools |
| 18:05.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea found it, never can remember that since it doesn't seem very contextual |
| 18:05.30 | CosmicPenguin | its not |
| 18:05.32 | CosmicPenguin | and they sort of suck, imho |
| 18:05.46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, well i mainly wanted the minfo command |
| 18:05.54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: to verify what i'm getting |
| 18:07.51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe i know that this file starts at cluster 2 just can't seem to get the transition |
| 18:10.09 | CosmicPenguin | Your bootsector will tell you how many clusters per sector |
| 18:10.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: right 4 |
| 18:10.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: 4 * 512 is 2048 bytes |
| 18:11.13 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: so the entry should be 6144 bytes from the start of the partition right? |
| 18:11.55 | CosmicPenguin | its strange - I even have a comment in my mkdosfs code because it confused the hell out of me |
| 18:12.26 | CosmicPenguin | You have to remove two from your calculations, because cluster 2 the first data cluster |
| 18:12.54 | CosmicPenguin | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.54 | CosmicPenguin | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:13.02 | CosmicPenguin | Where start is the first cluster of the file |
| 18:15.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, i'm confused |
| 18:15.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: here is what i know the file is actually 163144 bytes from the start of the root directory |
| 18:15.58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: sorry 16314 |
| 18:16.23 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: crap, doing to many cals, 16384 |
| 18:17.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: where is cluster 0 in relation to the parition? |
| 18:17.42 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: from what i read, cluster 0 and 1 aren't used |
| 18:31.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: how big is the root directory suppose to be? |
| 18:34.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ok i get it, so basically custers 0 and 1 don't really exist in the numbering scheme |
| 18:34.47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: because those cluster spaces are used for other data |
| 18:37.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: bob might not be my uncle but atleast i know him on first name basis |
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| 18:40.35 | prpplague | mindfunk: hey who invited you?? hehe |
| 18:40.58 | mindfunk | I did :P |
| 18:42.33 | mindfunk | kergoth: thinking about getting an SL-3k, thoughts? |
| 18:45.00 | mindfunk | prpplague: how are things in barbados? |
| 18:46.04 | chouimat | ARRRGGG |
| 18:46.58 | prpplague | mindfunk: stressed |
| 18:47.12 | prpplague | mindfunk: haven't been sleeping well, taking tomorrow off to get my sanity back |
| 18:49.05 | mindfunk | prpplague: wow... same issues. My boss gave us tomorrow off because the next few weeks will be hell |
| 18:50.04 | chouimat | I hate phone interviews |
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| 18:58.35 | prpplague | chouimat: yea difficult to tell how well you are doing |
| 18:59.04 | prpplague | i have to admit that the TI interviews were very hard as it was very difficult even in person to judge how you were doing |
| 18:59.59 | chouimat | prpplague: got asked a lot of stupidities ... the persons in charge of the interview where completely clueless |
| 19:00.33 | chouimat | prpplague: 100% buzzwords compliants |
| 19:00.45 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:01.58 | chouimat | prpplague: they want linux but they don't know why |
| 19:02.50 | prpplague | chouimat: oh i hate that, sure sign of a long term failure |
| 19:03.17 | chouimat | prpplague: second of this type this week ... |
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| 19:04.14 | prpplague | chouimat: "we would like to move linux in to our dynamically responsive company so tha we can stay on target with the market paradim shift" |
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| 19:08.33 | chouimat | prpplague: you used more words than them ;) |
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| 19:31.47 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: you getting it now? |
| 19:31.56 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: closer, doing a step through now |
| 19:34.19 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yeah, that cluster 2 thing bothered me for a whole half day |
| 19:35.58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm having a problem determining the number of clusters used for the root dir |
| 19:41.16 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: this is what mkdosfs does (minor flood): |
| 19:41.17 | CosmicPenguin | size_root_dir = (size_fat == 32) ? |
| 19:41.18 | CosmicPenguin | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.18 | CosmicPenguin | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.18 | CosmicPenguin | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea just found that |
| 19:43.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: so basically i can just read the max number of dir entries and divide by 32 |
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| 19:53.54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: if you are running with a 512 sector size, then all the different data structures should be 512 byte align, right? |
| 19:54.42 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i.e to read a cluster, where 4 sectors/cluster, then i'd need to make 4 block reads |
| 19:57.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe nothing like having a shell script to read a dd image and testing my flow chart, hehe |
| 20:01.24 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yeah - but that depends more on your memory structure then anything |
| 20:01.39 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ?? |
| 20:01.40 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Linux tends to read 4096 at a time so it fills a page in the cache |
| 20:01.59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: right but i'm reading from a spi |
| 20:02.15 | CosmicPenguin | so, you do whatever makes the most sense for your situation |
| 20:02.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: to sd/mmc |
| 20:02.25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: right |
| 20:02.28 | CosmicPenguin | But the math is petty easy with 512 |
| 20:02.34 | prpplague | yea |
| 20:02.41 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: just looking for some simple stuff |
| 20:02.48 | CosmicPenguin | simple is good |
| 20:02.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: add fat support to blob via sd/mmc |
| 20:03.44 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: just need very basic stuff, locate a file name and load it |
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| 20:05.47 | T0mW | prpplague: help |
| 20:06.13 | T0mW | prpplague: HELP ME PLEASE!!!! <whine> |
| 20:06.13 | prpplague | T0mW: i'm not a psychologist or hair translate doctor |
| 20:06.18 | prpplague | T0mW: what up? |
| 20:06.22 | T0mW | lol |
| 20:06.39 | T0mW | do you know anything about using thumb code vs. arm 32 bit code? |
| 20:06.59 | prpplague | T0mW: just learning |
| 20:07.07 | T0mW | i.e. does the processor detect which code is which and dynamically switches modes? |
| 20:07.23 | prpplague | T0mW: no, you have to switch modes |
| 20:07.27 | T0mW | ah |
| 20:07.45 | T0mW | it looks like the lpc2106 comes up in thumb mode and my code is 32bit |
| 20:08.15 | T0mW | prpplague: is that like a CPSR bit or something? |
| 20:08.19 | prpplague | T0mW: need to look at the BX command |
| 20:08.31 | T0mW | prpplague: thanks |
| 20:09.27 | T0mW | prpplague: four intensive days have shown me that I fscked up the design of the "quickie board" that I threw together. |
| 20:10.00 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe, learn as you go |
| 20:10.20 | T0mW | prpplague: watch out for the lpc2000 chips, the ETM (Extended Trace Macrocell) will override a whole sh!tload of pins functions if you use the primary JTAG interface. |
| 20:10.33 | prpplague | T0mW: yikes |
| 20:11.21 | T0mW | prpplague: you have to use the freakin' secondary JTAG port to get abbreviated debug functionality. No ETM, but you have to execute startup code to manually switch from primary to secondary jtag. |
| 20:11.36 | T0mW | prpplague: PITA |
| 20:11.42 | prpplague | T0mW: lovely |
| 20:12.25 | T0mW | prpplague: chicken 'n egg problem, you need to put code in it to switch to secondary JTAG, but you have no functional JTAG to dump the startup code into the part. |
| 20:12.43 | T0mW | prpplague: you have to use their goofy loader |
| 20:13.05 | prpplague | T0mW: jeeze |
| 20:13.13 | T0mW | prpplague: ok, will look at BX opcode |
| 20:13.35 | prpplague | T0mW: should do the trick for ya |
| 20:13.49 | T0mW | prpplague: btw, bdi2000 has been a great aid in checking out the electronics! |
| 20:14.13 | prpplague | T0mW: yea i figured it would be |
| 20:14.18 | prpplague | T0mW: btw you email back up? |
| 20:14.30 | T0mW | prpplague: I've been banging bits into IOSET / IOCLR / IODIR registers with it |
| 20:14.47 | T0mW | prpplague: it never went down, that is on a different server |
| 20:15.06 | T0mW | ~T0mW |
| 20:15.09 | ibot | from memory, t0mw is at tom@openhardware.net, or has a website at http://www.openhardware.net |
| 20:15.10 | prpplague | T0mW: odd your email has been bouncing |
| 20:15.27 | prpplague | oh i've been sending to tom@cyberiansoftware.com |
| 20:16.14 | T0mW | prpplague: btw, that stencil worked absolutely great! |
| 20:16.30 | prpplague | T0mW: cool |
| 20:16.30 | T0mW | s/stencil/paste stencil/ |
| 20:16.42 | T0mW | prpplague: plus 1500W toaster oven |
| 20:16.43 | T0mW | heh |
| 20:16.51 | prpplague | T0mW: one of the guys at the office is gonna try to do bga with the hot plate |
| 20:17.14 | T0mW | prpplague: Dave, what is the thermal resistance of fiberglass ??? |
| 20:18.06 | prpplague | uh i have no idea |
| 20:18.27 | T0mW | prpplague: think about it, you prolly can use that hotplate with a tiny board, but you get a honkin' big peice of 'glass in that pan, it ain't gonna move thermally. |
| 20:19.01 | T0mW | IMHO, the hotplate is a curiousity and a bad idea |
| 20:19.59 | prpplague | T0mW: ahh didn't really think about it, just said he was gonna try it based on the stuff from sparkfun |
| 20:20.04 | prpplague | T0mW: small boards |
| 20:20.43 | T0mW | prpplague: they are getting the hotplate to work with tiny boards (sparkfun) and most likely the convection heat off the bottom of the pan is contributing to the solder reflow. I seriously doubt that you could conduct the heat from the bottom of the fiberglass to the top to melt the solder paste without destroying the adhesive in the fiberglass |
| 20:21.05 | prpplague | ahh |
| 20:21.12 | T0mW | prpplague: I tried it, I can still smell burnt 'glass in my house |
| 20:21.17 | T0mW | :-( |
| 20:21.27 | prpplague | hehe |
| 20:22.17 | prpplague | i have to wonder who is buying all this scox stock, i see about 40k shares moving every day |
| 20:22.18 | T0mW | the glue that holds the traces to the bottom of the PCB broke down under heat and smoked, that was before the paste melted. It was a large board 5"X8" |
| 20:22.25 | T0mW | LOL |
| 20:22.46 | prpplague | T0mW: ahh, guess i should tell him to try the oven instead |
| 20:22.49 | T0mW | prpplague: maybe the CEO and CIO of SCO ? |
| 20:23.00 | prpplague | T0mW: but who's buying it ? |
| 20:23.18 | T0mW | prpplague: 2 mins at 120C, 1 min at 150C and 1 min at 180C |
| 20:23.34 | T0mW | prpplague: 30 seconds into the 180C it melts |
| 20:23.38 | prpplague | cool |
| 20:23.47 | prpplague | T0mW: gotta run get the critters from school |
| 20:23.49 | prpplague | later |
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| 20:24.11 | T0mW | andersee: ooh |
| 20:24.24 | T0mW | andersee: question about thumb code? |
| 20:28.06 | andersee | T0mW: I can try, but I'm not an arm thumb expert... |
| 20:28.19 | T0mW | andersee: ok, thought you had btdt |
| 20:28.25 | T0mW | andersee: nm |
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| 21:11.16 | CosmicPenguin | Everything I touch breaks today |
| 21:13.28 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: I know the feeling |
| 21:13.46 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: I've run up against a wall, a Thumb wall |
| 21:14.06 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: 24hours and no progress. heh |
| 21:19.23 | CosmicPenguin | ahem...... |
| 21:19.25 | CosmicPenguin | http://tinyurl.com/bad75 |
| 21:20.10 | sjhill | what is that |
| 21:20.44 | CosmicPenguin | that is the PIC |
| 21:23.55 | CosmicPenguin | Geode GX |
| 21:44.46 | jbevren | for 300? Gak. |
| 21:45.16 | jbevren | wonder how long it'd last in a car's trunk :D |
| 21:47.11 | jbevren | http://www.irrision.com/?p=10 |
| 21:59.44 | CosmicPenguin | Wow |
| 21:59.47 | CosmicPenguin | that page is wayyyy off |
| 22:00.12 | CosmicPenguin | hehe |
| 22:00.23 | CosmicPenguin | we suck |
| 22:00.24 | CosmicPenguin | bad |
| 22:18.39 | Genesis | bonne nuit |
| 22:18.46 | T0mW | doh! -mthumb |
| 22:25.35 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: took me 24+ hours of banging this thing until I found that gcc needs -mthumb to build thumbcode.... So, you think your day sux'ed ? |
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| 22:36.02 | CosmicPenguin | Oh, I've soooo been there |
| 22:44.43 | T`2 | hmm nice.. just signed up for comcast internet |
| 22:44.48 | T`2 | 19.99/month |
| 22:45.04 | T`2 | if anyone is looking for a good deal.. this is it :-) |
| 22:45.30 | CosmicPenguin | Except of course, the "comcast" and "internet" parts |
| 22:45.36 | T`2 | lol |
| 22:45.41 | T`2 | its been quite reliable cp |
| 22:45.59 | T`2 | used it for a month now (shared it with neighbour) |
| 22:46.06 | T`2 | too bad they are moving back to korea |
| 22:46.14 | CosmicPenguin | reliable isn't the problem - its shared, full of crap on your side of the firewall, and just generally unhappy |
| 22:46.19 | CosmicPenguin | plus you can't run services legally |
| 22:46.42 | T`2 | really? so you can't run a webserver ? |
| 22:46.48 | T`2 | they are giving 7 static ips |
| 22:46.57 | CosmicPenguin | Oh, they are? |
| 22:46.58 | CosmicPenguin | Thats new |
| 22:47.11 | T`2 | i was hoping to host some stuff |
| 22:47.20 | jbevren | giving ip != allowing hosting |
| 22:47.24 | jbevren | however |
| 22:47.30 | jbevren | host stuff on 8080 :) |
| 22:47.32 | T`2 | jbevren, well, mostly thats the intension unless they are being shady |
| 22:47.35 | jbevren | and dont plan on connecting to port 25 outbound |
| 22:47.37 | jbevren | they dont allow that either |
| 22:48.08 | CosmicPenguin | When I had it, it was dhcp, and they portscanned |
| 22:48.08 | CosmicPenguin | <CosmicPenguin> of course, they only portscanned the usual ports |
| 22:48.08 | CosmicPenguin | <CosmicPenguin> so you could hide ssh somewhere else |
| 22:48.36 | T`2 | what happens if they find out u got a ssh server running? |
| 22:48.44 | jbevren | dont know |
| 22:48.44 | T`2 | auto disconnect? |
| 22:48.45 | jbevren | I'm not a client |
| 22:48.46 | CosmicPenguin | you get a letter warning you to take it down |
| 22:48.49 | T`2 | lol |
| 22:49.05 | T`2 | thats retarded.. lets see if they still stick to that policy |
| 22:49.15 | CosmicPenguin | I think if you don't comply or get caught multiple times they boot you |
| 22:49.24 | CosmicPenguin | the other problem is that you're behind the firewall with all the other script kiddies |
| 22:49.53 | CosmicPenguin | so its pretty nasty - I think I got portscanned more on that network then I do now with a DSL and static IP |
| 22:50.28 | T`2 | umm i c.. i'll be a bit more careful.. i wasn't aware of that problem |
| 22:50.39 | T`2 | do they use switches within the apt wiring ? |
| 22:50.48 | T`2 | or else you could probably see everyone's traffic |
| 22:51.04 | CosmicPenguin | They use switches of course - the ethernet isn't shared |
| 22:51.12 | CosmicPenguin | It is within your neighbor hood though |
| 22:51.34 | CosmicPenguin | Not sure how many users per switch though - 256 is stick in my head, but I might be wrong |
| 22:51.45 | T`2 | T0mW, have fun |
| 22:51.46 | CosmicPenguin | hehe |
| 22:52.01 | T`2 | well.. hell ain't that bad now a days i hear.. |
| 22:52.16 | CosmicPenguin | certainly well populated |
| 22:52.24 | T`2 | lol yea |
| 22:52.24 | jbevren | its not users per switch thats improved |
| 22:52.31 | jbevren | newer digital cable equip has more bandwidth |
| 22:52.34 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.41 | jbevren | so your 'hood upstream is fatter piped |
| 22:52.44 | jbevren | afaik |
| 22:52.45 | T`2 | yea, its 4mbps now.. upload kinda sux.. 768k |
| 22:52.54 | jbevren | I have 1.544/512 |
| 22:52.57 | jbevren | so dont whine :) |
| 22:53.02 | CosmicPenguin | another reason why they try to restrict services |
| 22:53.07 | jbevren | mind you, I'm on dsl |
| 22:53.14 | jbevren | CosmicPenguin: IIS installations? :) |
| 22:54.03 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 22:54.16 | T`2 | cp, you mean the neighbour hood networks are seperated by a switch or individual apt/households ? |
| 22:55.24 | T`2 | at the univ, we had individual wiring for everyone.. so no one can really sniff on you |
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| 22:56.30 | CosmicPenguin | T`2: it might have changd, but when I had it, the modems were switched at the curb, so you saw arps and traffic for everybody on your block, or whatever |
| 22:56.35 | CosmicPenguin | up to N users, whatever N may be |
| 22:56.58 | T`2 | damn.. now thats really retarded |
| 22:57.28 | CosmicPenguin | Well, its the price you pay - the good news is that you have pipes into everybody's house for pretty much free |
| 22:57.38 | CosmicPenguin | all it takes is the hardware at the curb and the whole neighboor hood is set |
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| 23:17.19 | CosmicPenguin | sigh - 6 seconds to boot userland |
| 23:29.04 | jbevren | 486? :) |
| 23:29.06 | jbevren | haha |
| 23:29.10 | jbevren | too much bass |
| 23:29.32 | jbevren | XD |
| 23:34.40 | CosmicPenguin | damn linux |
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| 23:35.52 | CosmicPenguin | wow |
| 23:35.57 | CosmicPenguin | bad mouth linux, and get disconnected |
| 23:36.01 | jbevren | d'oh! |
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