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| 00:57.09 | sorphin | file: eek |
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| 01:06.05 | ljp | sorphin: it was CosmicPenguin that mentioned canopy :) |
| 01:12.01 | chouimat|Zzzz | good night * |
| 01:16.01 | sorphin | ah |
| 01:16.07 | sorphin | well, cosmicpenguin is an amd whore |
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| 14:21.47 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:21.55 | sorphin | M*A*S*H is one of my fav shows |
| 14:22.01 | sorphin | ibot: wb |
| 14:22.02 | ibot | It's great to be back! |
| 14:24.01 | prpplague | sorphin: a sargent and a PFC just came back from a live fire excersis, and the PFC had picked up a live 40mm grenade, had it in his pocket |
| 14:24.47 | prpplague | sorphin: when he got out of the hummer in the motor pool the round fell out of his pocket, hit the ground, ignited, and rolled under the hummer, where it when off |
| 14:25.14 | prpplague | sorphin: took them both off at the knees |
| 14:28.06 | CosmicPenguin | Morning |
| 14:28.38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lo ho |
| 14:28.45 | kergoth | morning |
| 14:33.02 | sorphin | if i were to get like that (limbless or paralyzed), just shoot me |
| 14:33.07 | sorphin | cuz i refuse to live that way |
| 14:44.15 | CosmicPenguin | I far prefer living to the alternative |
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| 14:54.21 | CosmicPenguin | seesh |
| 14:54.29 | CosmicPenguin | on /. - "At long last, Gnome 2.12 has been released" |
| 14:54.31 | CosmicPenguin | at long last? |
| 14:54.35 | CosmicPenguin | Its been like 4 months |
| 14:58.32 | jbevren | I want gnome 3 |
| 14:58.39 | jbevren | with a nautilus that wont open a new window for every folder you click |
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| 15:04.50 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:10.10 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:14.45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: true |
| 15:15.01 | prpplague | argh the mtd channel is soooo dead |
| 15:15.15 | prpplague | anyone here have experience with nand flash? |
| 15:15.58 | prpplague | sorphin: did you ever get your reader working again? |
| 15:16.20 | prpplague | ~seen t0mw |
| 15:16.25 | ibot | t0mw <n=Tom@24.152.248.137.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #elinux, 13d 21h 5m 10s ago, saying: 'typically the uarts only handle up to 8 bit words, that is a limitation imposed due to the processors of the era'. |
| 15:19.17 | prpplague | hmm i wonder whats inside this thing - http://tinyurl.com/826h5 |
| 15:20.25 | CosmicPenguin | prolly an sa |
| 15:20.34 | prpplague | that would rock |
| 15:20.40 | prpplague | that looks alot better than the juicebox |
| 15:20.52 | CosmicPenguin | There's only one way to find out |
| 15:20.57 | CosmicPenguin | order it up and get mr. dremel on the line |
| 15:21.09 | prpplague | i'm broke for till the 15th |
| 15:21.30 | prpplague | never did get my mAx station |
| 15:21.35 | prpplague | need to call about that |
| 15:21.41 | prpplague | see why i've not gotten it |
| 15:22.29 | CosmicPenguin | They might be on back order |
| 15:23.28 | prpplague | ahh |
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| 15:27.18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: wow it does the video capture too |
| 15:28.17 | CosmicPenguin | Mabye its something more powerful |
| 15:28.32 | CosmicPenguin | You totally have to buy one now |
| 15:28.59 | prpplague | hehe yea |
| 15:38.07 | Soopaman | damn |
| 15:38.15 | Soopaman | that looks really nice |
| 15:38.31 | prpplague | ~quote scox |
| 15:38.41 | sorphin | prpplague: no, didn't mess w/ it last night |
| 15:38.48 | sorphin | was gonna pick your brain tho |
| 15:38.52 | sorphin | but it ran away |
| 15:38.59 | prpplague | sorphin: ? |
| 15:39.16 | sorphin | your brain ran away when i was gonna pick it |
| 15:39.17 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:39.26 | sorphin | the whole nand flash bit |
| 15:39.29 | prpplague | oh |
| 15:39.32 | sorphin | actually, nand eeprom |
| 15:39.34 | sorphin | :P |
| 15:39.36 | sorphin | but still |
| 15:39.39 | prpplague | yea |
| 15:40.08 | sorphin | are you poking at it via the nand mtd driver? |
| 15:40.19 | prpplague | sorphin: no, just bit banging |
| 15:40.19 | sorphin | or the way i'm hitting it? |
| 15:40.23 | sorphin | ah |
| 15:40.38 | Soopaman | sorphin, you bought one already? |
| 15:40.45 | prpplague | sorphin: i'm getting reading to start probing the juiceware carts |
| 15:40.47 | sorphin | Soopaman: eh? |
| 15:40.52 | sorphin | prpplague: ah |
| 15:40.53 | Soopaman | http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=PVR1000&sourceid=qIZmQx0-9jmgAknDZCn@&cm_ven=CJ&cm_pla=0038388580&cm_ite=PVR1000 |
| 15:41.04 | Soopaman | (prpplague): hmm i wonder whats inside this thing - http://tinyurl.com/826h5 |
| 15:41.36 | sorphin | Soopaman: what made you think i had one of those? |
| 15:41.49 | jbevren | wow thats cheap enough to check outr |
| 15:41.50 | jbevren | hehe |
| 15:42.23 | Soopaman | heh |
| 15:42.24 | file | it's a very blahish day |
| 15:42.25 | prpplague | sorphin: i curious as to wether the juicecart has a fs on it |
| 15:42.36 | Soopaman | prpplague, are you gonna dedicate your efforts to it? |
| 15:42.59 | sorphin | prpplague: hey plague |
| 15:43.04 | sorphin | send Ophelia away |
| 15:43.16 | sorphin | she keeps bugging florida and i don't want her around for my trip |
| 15:43.17 | sorphin | :P |
| 15:43.18 | prpplague | Soopaman: no, for once in my life i'm not starting another project till i finish the jb |
| 15:43.32 | prpplague | sorphin: ??? |
| 15:43.39 | sorphin | tropical storm ophelia |
| 15:43.42 | prpplague | sorphin: oh |
| 15:43.47 | prpplague | sorphin: no where near me |
| 15:43.51 | sorphin | east of florida :P |
| 15:44.10 | sorphin | yeah, but youre' closer than i am atm |
| 15:44.11 | sorphin | :P |
| 15:44.40 | CosmicPenguin | Not for long |
| 15:44.50 | CosmicPenguin | We were wrong about it not possibly affecting your vacation |
| 15:45.01 | sorphin | yeah |
| 15:45.04 | sorphin | so i see on the radar |
| 15:45.07 | sorphin | great |
| 15:45.14 | sorphin | i just wasted $667 |
| 15:45.22 | sorphin | and a weeks vacation |
| 15:45.28 | prpplague | hehe you didn't buy insurance? |
| 15:45.36 | prpplague | i always buy insurance when i travel |
| 15:45.39 | sorphin | dude |
| 15:45.46 | sorphin | i've enver went anywhere i'd need it |
| 15:45.50 | CosmicPenguin | Its supposed to be moving away, but its in this wierd pattern of not really going anywhere |
| 15:45.58 | CosmicPenguin | Because of the other two hurricanes affecting its path |
| 15:46.23 | prpplague | lordy i wish i knew someone who had nand flash experience |
| 15:46.48 | sorphin | it seems to just have < 50% chances of rain according to the forecasts |
| 15:47.18 | sorphin | keeps edging orlando |
| 15:47.50 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at1+shtml/145344.shtml?prob |
| 15:49.01 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:49.09 | sorphin | looking at wunderground |
| 15:49.50 | CosmicPenguin | The noaa rules - their hurricane coverage is always top notch |
| 15:49.52 | sorphin | well, if i can go down there |
| 15:49.59 | sorphin | sure won't be going to nasa :( |
| 15:50.08 | sorphin | unless later in the week |
| 15:50.13 | jbevren | haha |
| 15:50.14 | jbevren | I like how |
| 15:50.17 | jbevren | florida of all states |
| 15:50.23 | jbevren | is the target of the three inbound storms |
| 15:50.30 | sorphin | jbevren: you do huh? |
| 15:50.40 | jbevren | the state that voted for our oil-loving president |
| 15:50.55 | sorphin | jbevren: his brother is the governor |
| 15:50.56 | sorphin | duh |
| 15:51.27 | sorphin | prpplague: even w/ travel insurance |
| 15:51.33 | CosmicPenguin | Looks like it is raining in Barbados today though |
| 15:51.37 | sorphin | it wouldn't realy help but recover the $ |
| 15:51.42 | sorphin | doesnt' save my vacation |
| 15:51.45 | sorphin | i cant' go anywhere else now |
| 15:51.48 | sorphin | it's too late |
| 15:52.31 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: not really, there were some sprinkles this morning |
| 15:52.36 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: nothing today so far |
| 15:53.04 | CosmicPenguin | Heh - infrared shows a bit of moisture in your general vicinity - of course, theres little land and lots of water in that area |
| 15:53.25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin:yea all that came through yesterday] |
| 15:53.28 | CosmicPenguin | Not often you see three storms in the same shot |
| 15:53.35 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/DATA/RT/NWATL/IR4/20.jpg |
| 15:53.59 | jbevren | heh |
| 15:53.59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: which pic did you see barbados in? |
| 15:54.05 | jbevren | look at that big storm over Iowa |
| 15:54.07 | jbevren | thats us |
| 15:54.10 | jbevren | sprinkling lightly |
| 15:54.17 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/DATA/RT/WATL/IR4/20.jpg |
| 15:54.31 | CosmicPenguin | INow that I look at it, I think that I do see its not over you |
| 15:54.47 | CosmicPenguin | jbevren: it came through here yesterday - some big ass thunderstorms in the east plains - lots of hail |
| 15:55.02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea thats all north of us, it came through yesterday |
| 15:55.15 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: was that the disturbance you were worried about earlier? |
| 15:55.23 | CosmicPenguin | Or did that end up being ophilia? |
| 15:55.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: but you see the rain in the bottom right corner |
| 15:55.36 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea that was what was left of it |
| 15:56.43 | prpplague | you know some areas of linux are extremely well documented and ppl are eager to help you, and others......... |
| 15:57.01 | prpplague | well lets just say, ppl hold onto info as if their life depended on it |
| 15:58.00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: we should be clear of hurricanes for atleast another 2 weeks as the current storms are pulling abunch of energy from the upper atmosphere and water right now |
| 15:58.18 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: they're still saying that we're in for a few more big ones |
| 15:58.30 | CosmicPenguin | apparently the ocean tempratures are very favorable right now |
| 15:58.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, i suspect that october is gonna be nasty |
| 15:58.56 | CosmicPenguin | Crazy - I'm not that old, but I don't recall many years that we've made it to 'O' already |
| 15:59.15 | CosmicPenguin | Looks like we might see Zecke after all |
| 15:59.16 | prpplague | hehe |
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| 16:07.59 | prpplague | sorphin: you think emsoft would have put a fs on the cartridges? |
| 16:10.10 | sorphin | prpplague: i dunno |
| 16:13.35 | prpplague | what a crock - http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9231271/ |
| 16:13.35 | Crofton | http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=170701379&tid=13692 |
| 16:14.09 | prpplague | sorphin: on the one hand its an OTP, so if they burn it once and it has bad block it goes into the trash bin |
| 16:14.34 | prpplague | sorphin: but on the other, if they used a fs it would be more complicated, but less chips would go into the trash bin |
| 16:14.53 | sorphin | yeah |
| 16:15.07 | sorphin | my traffic controller has 2 ROMs and an eeprom |
| 16:15.11 | prpplague | sorphin: i |
| 16:15.12 | sorphin | but you take out the eeprom |
| 16:15.14 | sorphin | and it won't come up |
| 16:15.32 | sorphin | so there has to be some startup code or something it looks for |
| 16:15.42 | prpplague | sorphin: i'm guessing that emsoft might have implement a similiar systems as the sm cards |
| 16:15.57 | sorphin | try that again in english? |
| 16:16.02 | sorphin | not engrish |
| 16:16.03 | sorphin | ;) |
| 16:16.19 | prpplague | sorphin: hmm i thought that was pretty clear |
| 16:16.30 | sorphin | "All Your JuiceBox are Belong To Plague" |
| 16:17.00 | sorphin | prpplague: might have implement a similiar systems as the sm cards |
| 16:17.05 | prpplague | sorphin: my guess that emsoft implemented the same specifications as a standard smartmedia card |
| 16:17.10 | sorphin | ah |
| 16:17.15 | sorphin | that makes sense :) |
| 16:17.29 | sorphin | well |
| 16:17.33 | sorphin | a standard smartmedia card |
| 16:17.39 | sorphin | is identical to normal nand flash |
| 16:17.45 | sorphin | just different package |
| 16:17.46 | sorphin | that's it |
| 16:17.54 | sorphin | s/flash/eeprom/ |
| 16:18.06 | prpplague | sorphin: physcially yes |
| 16:18.07 | CosmicPenguin | Crofton: yeah, we alreaday announced our new CTO |
| 16:18.21 | prpplague | sorphin: however smc spec includes some formating |
| 16:18.26 | CosmicPenguin | Along with the obligatory reorg |
| 16:18.27 | prpplague | sorphin: of the actual flash |
| 16:18.35 | Crofton | Do you actually talk to any of those people? |
| 16:18.58 | sorphin | ah |
| 16:19.14 | prpplague | sorphin: thats the whole reason you can't normally just use a usb->smc to access flash |
| 16:19.35 | sorphin | prpplague: then how come i can? |
| 16:19.46 | prpplague | sorphin: you didn't |
| 16:19.53 | sorphin | uh |
| 16:20.03 | prpplague | sorphin: i double check the file you sent, it doesn't include the smc oob |
| 16:20.17 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:20.23 | CosmicPenguin | Crofton: heh - no way |
| 16:20.37 | sorphin | Crofton: didn't you know |
| 16:20.47 | sorphin | Jordan has lunch every other week w/ Hector |
| 16:20.51 | sorphin | :P |
| 16:20.57 | Crofton | heh |
| 16:21.01 | CosmicPenguin | Crofton: I think I'm 6 levels below the senior VP |
| 16:21.24 | Crofton | closer to the janitor? |
| 16:21.40 | CosmicPenguin | Probably loiwer |
| 16:21.56 | CosmicPenguin | In fact, I know I'm lower |
| 16:22.02 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin, AMD Toilet Seat Inspector |
| 16:22.13 | prpplague | sorphin: i wish it was that easy to access and program nand flash from the desktop |
| 16:22.18 | Crofton | telephone sanitizer |
| 16:22.25 | CosmicPenguin | I have three managers below the site manager, and the janitor only has 1 |
| 16:22.27 | sorphin | prpplague: so build an interface? ;) |
| 16:22.39 | prpplague | sorphin: i already have |
| 16:22.56 | prpplague | just always looking for something better |
| 16:23.02 | sorphin | ah |
| 16:23.07 | sorphin | mr never satisfied |
| 16:23.16 | prpplague | thats me |
| 16:23.58 | prpplague | sorphin: just finished building an adapter so i can plug the juiceware carts into the reader |
| 16:24.13 | sorphin | cool |
| 16:24.23 | prpplague | sorphin: has nothing to do with appeal or usability for me |
| 16:24.33 | prpplague | sorphin: simple a case study for me to learn with |
| 16:24.51 | sorphin | ah |
| 16:26.34 | prpplague | sorphin: learn alot about jtag debugging, arm asm, flash types, boot techniques, disassembly techniques, all about usb thumbdrives, usb card readers |
| 16:26.42 | prpplague | sorphin: and the list goes on and on |
| 16:26.48 | sorphin | ah |
| 16:26.50 | prpplague | sorphin: been very worth it |
| 16:26.54 | sorphin | nod |
| 16:27.33 | prpplague | sorphin: besides, it'll be a great feeling when it boots a custom version of linux |
| 16:27.42 | prpplague | sorphin: and starts playing my dl'd pr0n |
| 16:27.47 | jbevren | hehe |
| 16:27.48 | prpplague | :P |
| 16:27.49 | jbevren | which box is this? |
| 16:28.01 | prpplague | http://www.elinux.org/wiki/JuiceBox |
| 16:28.10 | jbevren | still working on the JB hehe |
| 16:28.13 | prpplague | yep |
| 16:28.18 | prpplague | made lots of progress |
| 16:28.43 | prpplague | jbevren: the wiki is a little out of date, as a ton of pages were lost last week |
| 16:28.52 | prpplague | jbevren: i've got to go back a redo some |
| 16:28.53 | jbevren | doh |
| 16:28.56 | jbevren | go SF.net! heh |
| 16:29.06 | sorphin | prpplague: heh |
| 16:29.17 | sorphin | must be really small low quality pr0n :P |
| 16:29.19 | prpplague | jbevren: i'm able to use a smartmedia card as a cartridge now and boot uclinux kernel |
| 16:29.28 | jbevren | cool |
| 16:29.31 | jbevren | it has a mmu yeah? |
| 16:29.35 | prpplague | no |
| 16:29.40 | jbevren | ahh |
| 16:32.06 | prpplague | wow nice buy - http://cgi.ebay.com/4-Intermec-700-Series-Pocket-Computers-10-100-4-Dock_W0QQitemZ5237611555QQcategoryZ80193QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 16:32.17 | jbevren | 5237611555 |
| 16:32.53 | prpplague | wow the price on those units has dropped |
| 16:33.07 | jbevren | hmm |
| 16:33.14 | jbevren | looks like an overgrown TI calc :) |
| 16:33.30 | prpplague | yea with barcode scanner |
| 16:33.41 | prpplague | jbevren: they normally retail for around $2700.00 |
| 16:33.48 | jbevren | really |
| 16:33.50 | jbevren | interesting |
| 16:35.25 | jbevren | ohh theyre ruggedized? |
| 16:36.20 | prpplague | jbevren: http://www.barcodediscount.com/catalog/intermec/700-series.htm |
| 16:36.51 | jbevren | nod.. I'm on intermec's site atm |
| 16:37.01 | jbevren | anyone ported linux to em yet? :) |
| 16:37.19 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe, almost 3 years ago |
| 16:37.36 | prpplague | jbevren: i tried to sell the port to intermec, but they weren't interested |
| 16:38.05 | prpplague | jbevren: the port was originally for the series 600 which is the same as the 700 just with a b&w lcd |
| 16:38.42 | jbevren | ah |
| 16:38.50 | jbevren | this ebay auction is for 600s then? (they have bw lcds) |
| 16:39.04 | jbevren | no, theyre 720s guessing by the part# |
| 16:39.28 | prpplague | they said 700 on the auction |
| 16:40.00 | prpplague | i don't think they made the 700's with a b&w |
| 16:41.53 | prpplague | hmm, i just got the datasheet and it does say monochrome but the 720 i have is color |
| 16:43.13 | prpplague | jbevren: ahh ok, the 700 and 720 are monochrome and the 730 is color |
| 16:44.16 | jbevren | so have you released your port? :) |
| 16:44.23 | jbevren | I'm bad about gadgets |
| 16:44.23 | prpplague | jbevren: no never did |
| 16:44.26 | jbevren | specially if they run linux |
| 16:44.27 | jbevren | bah. :) |
| 16:44.39 | prpplague | jbevren: no real reason to |
| 16:45.14 | prpplague | jbevren: back then they were almost 4k |
| 16:45.25 | prpplague | jbevren: there were cheap alternatives |
| 16:46.09 | prpplague | jbevren: see look at this - http://cgi.ebay.com/Intermec-760-Mobile-Computer-w-Scanner-Battery-WARRAN_W0QQitemZ5804168093QQcategoryZ14929QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 16:47.43 | jbevren | nod |
| 16:47.47 | jbevren | wonder if the 4pack have radios |
| 16:48.33 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe i had linux on this one too - http://www.currentdirections.com/hardware/intermec/6110.html |
| 16:48.56 | prpplague | jbevren: when i told the intermec rep that i was browsing the net with it he called me a lier |
| 16:49.05 | sorphin | prpplague: ok you POS lackey ;) |
| 16:49.05 | jbevren | hehe |
| 16:49.19 | jbevren | should have emailed them a video |
| 16:49.33 | jbevren | it comes with win95 |
| 16:49.37 | jbevren | I dont see why they didnt believe you |
| 16:49.44 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe, him and two other reps came to the office |
| 16:50.24 | prpplague | jbevren: just werent that many apps for it at the time |
| 16:50.38 | prpplague | jbevren: ie was way too big to put on it with with win95 |
| 16:51.14 | jbevren | ah |
| 16:51.16 | prpplague | jbevren: i tried for atleast two years to sell intermec on some linux ports, they were just not interested |
| 16:51.32 | jbevren | they probably had a parasitic windows contract |
| 16:52.53 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe about a year after aml introduced their m7100(with linux) intermec decided they had to get on the bandwagon - http://www.linuxelectrons.com/article.php/20040112095911947 |
| 16:53.50 | prpplague | i guess i'm just a lousy sales person |
| 16:54.00 | jbevren | heh |
| 16:54.12 | jbevren | so if I got a 720, how hard would it be for me to get linux on it ;-) |
| 16:54.15 | prpplague | everyone seems to get wealthy off my work except me |
| 16:55.09 | prpplague | jbevren: shouldn't be that hard, the most difficult would be the bootloader, i suspect that they may have made it more tamper proof |
| 16:55.17 | jbevren | ahh could be |
| 16:56.21 | jbevren | bah. I should just gat a zaurus |
| 16:56.22 | jbevren | hehe |
| 16:56.25 | sorphin | yep |
| 16:56.26 | sorphin | :P |
| 16:56.39 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:56.40 | kergoth | the japanese models are pretty slick |
| 16:57.02 | prpplague | jbevren: or hold out for a nokia 770 |
| 16:57.12 | jbevren | ah yeah |
| 16:59.21 | CosmicPenguin | I wonder how hackable the 770 would be |
| 16:59.28 | CosmicPenguin | of course, I'll so done with that phase of my life |
| 16:59.46 | CosmicPenguin | I 've got plenty of platforms to put linux on - if i buy a PDA, I just want it to work |
| 16:59.54 | CosmicPenguin | you know... like a PDA? |
| 17:00.13 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:00.25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: well i was wondering that about the linux phones that are coming out |
| 17:00.44 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i was wondering how seperate the cell phone portion is from the linux os |
| 17:00.48 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: heh, same. i havent even gotten my wrt54gs running a non-linksys firmware yet, for gods sake |
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| 17:02.36 | sorphin | kergoth: slacker |
| 17:02.38 | sorphin | :P |
| 17:02.44 | jbevren | hehe |
| 17:03.06 | kergoth | well, i dont want openwrt, adn i'm far far too lazy to get around to getting it working well in oe |
| 17:03.12 | sorphin | my friend mike ([mbm]) bugged me to even get wrt54g's since my motorolas wouldn't run it well |
| 17:03.19 | sorphin | heh |
| 17:03.30 | sorphin | what's wrong w/ openwrt? |
| 17:03.45 | kergoth | i dont like some aspects of the distro |
| 17:03.46 | jbevren | other than lack of web UI? :) |
| 17:03.54 | kergoth | i'm picky when it comes to distributionisms |
| 17:03.59 | sorphin | jbevren: if you realy need a web ui |
| 17:04.06 | sorphin | then you shouldn't even be using linux :P |
| 17:04.13 | sorphin | imho |
| 17:04.38 | sorphin | kergoth: so? last i checked, people do take suggestions |
| 17:04.55 | CosmicPenguin | but when it comes to things like routers and such, using the command line is a step back, imho |
| 17:05.00 | kergoth | yes, i know, but if i'm going to suggest a change, i want to give them a patch |
| 17:05.06 | kergoth | and im not going to waste my time on a buildroot |
| 17:05.09 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: it is huh? |
| 17:05.18 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: so you'd rather comfigure a network of routers |
| 17:05.18 | CosmicPenguin | I mean there's using linux, and then there's going out of your way to make things difficult |
| 17:05.21 | sorphin | via a gui then? |
| 17:05.44 | sorphin | kergoth: heh |
| 17:05.45 | CosmicPenguin | ok, remember when I say router, I'm not talking industrial here |
| 17:05.47 | sorphin | *shrug* |
| 17:05.51 | sorphin | to each their own then |
| 17:06.13 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: my non industrial home router(s) have no gui |
| 17:06.19 | sorphin | and i don't want one |
| 17:06.20 | CosmicPenguin | But yes - I would much rather use a web interface for my DSL router and wireless access point then not |
| 17:06.41 | sorphin | like i said, to each their own |
| 17:06.46 | kergoth | i'd actually rather have a text based interface |
| 17:06.47 | kergoth | however |
| 17:06.54 | kergoth | i'd rather it not be low level |
| 17:07.07 | kergoth | i dont like fucknig with 8 quadrillion iptables commands directly, thanks |
| 17:07.13 | CosmicPenguin | well, if the web interface was really simple and sucky, and the text interface was powerful then I would agree |
| 17:07.31 | sorphin | kergoth: i don't use ip tables |
| 17:07.42 | kergoth | yeah, i know |
| 17:07.44 | sorphin | there's this nice shell out now |
| 17:07.47 | sorphin | called nsh |
| 17:07.49 | sorphin | :P |
| 17:07.58 | kergoth | iptables is messy and ugly, though powerful. |
| 17:08.18 | sorphin | nsh emluates cisco |
| 17:08.19 | CosmicPenguin | But if I can enter an address to block on my firewall via a web address, and know thats the same as typing in the iptables command, well.... |
| 17:08.24 | sorphin | hell, iproute2 |
| 17:08.27 | sorphin | emulates cisco |
| 17:08.46 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i've yet to see a gui/web interface that can get as ingrained as i can at the cli |
| 17:08.57 | kergoth | most people dont need it that ingrained, though |
| 17:09.05 | sorphin | heh |
| 17:09.05 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: thats because you're dealing with really powerful hardware |
| 17:09.12 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i am? |
| 17:09.13 | CosmicPenguin | Configuring a damn cisco is a whole different ball of wax |
| 17:09.23 | sorphin | i wasn't aware |
| 17:09.28 | sorphin | that a 68360 |
| 17:09.33 | sorphin | was all that powerful :P |
| 17:09.39 | CosmicPenguin | you know what I mean |
| 17:09.49 | CosmicPenguin | I'll bet that you have nothing in your house that is as simple as my firewall |
| 17:09.58 | sorphin | heh |
| 17:10.05 | CosmicPenguin | Because thats your area of expertise, and you know what to do |
| 17:10.23 | CosmicPenguin | But thats *not* my area of expertise, and as long as I'm keeping the world away from my internal network, thats all I fricking care about |
| 17:10.34 | sorphin | kergoth: yeah, and then they come crying to us when they get attacked and their firewall is doing it's job :P |
| 17:10.56 | sorphin | and expect our "big powerful hardware" to be their firewall for them |
| 17:11.15 | sorphin | tell your GD firewall to stop sending unreachable replies |
| 17:11.19 | sorphin | and just DROP the packets |
| 17:11.27 | sorphin | instead |
| 17:11.31 | sorphin | they unplug a machine |
| 17:11.38 | sorphin | so their firewall sends icmp unreachables |
| 17:11.43 | sorphin | and burns even more bandwidth |
| 17:11.50 | kergoth | goddamnit |
| 17:11.53 | sorphin | that's when they come crying |
| 17:11.55 | kergoth | this ctnetlink patch |
| 17:12.00 | kergoth | causes an ftp 'get' to hang the box |
| 17:12.01 | kergoth | :(( |
| 17:12.09 | kergoth | its the patch right out of fucking netfilter patch-o-matic |
| 17:12.54 | file[laptop] | I haven't eaten today, I'm going CrAzY |
| 17:13.18 | jbevren | hmm getting darker out |
| 17:13.24 | sorphin | and then some |
| 17:13.29 | sorphin | just to go pick up the travel permit |
| 17:14.42 | CosmicPenguin | I can't wait to go try out my new disc |
| 17:14.49 | kergoth | new disc? |
| 17:15.00 | CosmicPenguin | For disc golf - I got a new driver |
| 17:15.07 | CosmicPenguin | its pretty cool looking - its hand tyedied |
| 17:15.14 | CosmicPenguin | dyed even |
| 17:15.17 | jbevren | heh |
| 17:15.22 | jbevren | we dont have a course nearby |
| 17:15.28 | kergoth | ah |
| 17:15.28 | jbevren | I played a few times when I was in Ames |
| 17:15.35 | CosmicPenguin | jbevren: you need to make one... :) |
| 17:15.46 | sorphin | we always called it frisbee golf :P |
| 17:15.46 | kergoth | woot, my new scsi drives are out for delivery |
| 17:15.53 | CosmicPenguin | They're putting in a new park by my house, and I'm considering putting together a propsal |
| 17:15.57 | kergoth | doubt they'll drop them off without a signature though, so i'll h ave to drop by fedex on the way home |
| 17:16.10 | CosmicPenguin | I figure with the baskets, the signs and the concrete, we're looking at about $250 a hole |
| 17:16.12 | sorphin | kergoth: least it's fedex and you can :) |
| 17:16.19 | kergoth | i hate ups |
| 17:16.27 | sorphin | ups tells you to drop dead it's on our truck |
| 17:16.30 | sorphin | you can wait |
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| 17:17.01 | kergoth | i kinda miss being in an apartment |
| 17:17.07 | kergoth | them dropping the packages at the office was nice |
| 17:17.26 | sorphin | kergoth: i have a signature waiver |
| 17:17.36 | file[laptop] | sooooooo hungry |
| 17:17.52 | sorphin | file[laptop]: so eat then |
| 17:17.53 | sorphin | bozo |
| 17:18.02 | file[laptop] | I can't get to any plates or anything :\ |
| 17:18.07 | sorphin | heh |
| 17:18.27 | file[laptop] | it's evil |
| 17:18.33 | sorphin | doh |
| 17:18.49 | kergoth | i really need to start bringing lunches to work |
| 17:18.52 | kergoth | cant afford fast food every day |
| 17:19.13 | sorphin | i usually go home and eat chef boyardee |
| 17:19.16 | sorphin | but this week |
| 17:19.25 | sorphin | i've been using my whole lunch for errands |
| 17:19.25 | sorphin | so... |
| 17:19.29 | kergoth | i wish i was close enough to my house to do that |
| 17:19.32 | sorphin | bbl, gotta run out there now |
| 17:19.32 | sorphin | heh |
| 17:19.37 | sorphin | kergoth: i'm 4 mins away |
| 17:19.42 | kergoth | nice |
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| 18:14.07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hey got a couple minutes |
| 18:37.55 | prpplague | sorphin: hey crack baby |
| 18:39.11 | sorphin | prpplague: yes POS lackey? |
| 18:39.39 | prpplague | sorphin: i need to run some thoughts by someone about this nand flash/OTP |
| 18:40.28 | prpplague | sorphin: got a couple minutes to see if my logic is sound? |
| 18:56.22 | sorphin | prpplague: ok |
| 18:57.54 | sorphin | prpplague: hit me with it hillbilly |
| 19:01.19 | prpplague | sorphin: ok |
| 19:01.48 | prpplague | sorphin: lets start with the fact that nand flash has bad blocks and needs to have a method of keeping track of bad blocks |
| 19:02.06 | sorphin | k |
| 19:02.11 | prpplague | sorphin: now the OTP for the juicebox has a nand flash interface |
| 19:02.46 | prpplague | sorphin: although its a OTP it still has bad blocks |
| 19:03.05 | sorphin | ya |
| 19:03.23 | prpplague | sorphin: quote from article - "As many as 643 bad pages can exist within each 16-Mbyte zone\x{2014}a characteristic reminiscent of the bad-block specification of NAND flash memory that media-management hardware or software can handle." |
| 19:03.50 | sorphin | ok |
| 19:04.01 | prpplague | sorphin: now, that means that on the jb the firmware needs to do some type of badblock mangment |
| 19:04.19 | sorphin | right |
| 19:05.18 | prpplague | sorphin: so as a developer, would you suppose they would write all these ecc and bad block management from scratch? or use something off the shelf such as a file system that supports it? |
| 19:05.43 | prpplague | sorphin: i'm thinking that they used a fat file system |
| 19:07.36 | kergoth | grr |
| 19:07.39 | kergoth | deadlocks suck. |
| 19:07.54 | chouimat | arrrggggg rm the wrong set of isos .... |
| 19:08.01 | prpplague | sorphin: even if thats not the case and they've done a custom bad block mangement, the OTP is suppose to be 100% drop in replace ment for standard nand flash, which means i should be able to go the other way as well |
| 19:08.07 | prpplague | chouimat: doh |
| 19:08.29 | chouimat | prpplague: will simply fetch suse 10.0 rc1 for ppc ... |
| 19:11.56 | sorphin | man, today's dilbert is a bit sexist towards men |
| 19:12.24 | sorphin | prpplague: uhh |
| 19:12.38 | sorphin | an OTP as a drop in replacement for NAND? |
| 19:12.49 | sorphin | i dunno about that part |
| 19:14.22 | prpplague | sorphin: this one is |
| 19:15.18 | sorphin | how is that possible? OTP is just that, OTP, and nand is rewriteable |
| 19:17.10 | sorphin | prpplague: you ain't been smoking that AML brand crack have you? |
| 19:17.39 | prpplague | i quote - "Yes, Matrix 3DM uses the standard NAND flash interface, making it drop-in compatible with millions of existing devices that support flash and/or the MultiMediaCard formats. |
| 19:17.39 | prpplague | " |
| 19:17.48 | T`2 | prpplague, whats up.. i think they would use a filesystem and scan for bad blocks after creating the FAT table |
| 19:17.49 | prpplague | sorphin: thats how i was able to use a smartmedia card |
| 19:19.15 | prpplague | T`2: thats what i'm thinking too |
| 19:21.45 | T`2 | prpplague, i know for a fact many OEMs use FAT for their flash images for bootloaders, etc. |
| 19:22.46 | prpplague | T`2: yea i can't imaging emsoft going to all the trouble to make something fresh when they could use a fat fs |
| 19:23.41 | T`2 | do you have an image of the flash? |
| 19:24.26 | prpplague | T`2: just made an adapter today to do the dump |
| 19:24.47 | prpplague | T`2: probably won't have time till the weekend to do the dump |
| 19:25.17 | T`2 | ah ok... if you can get the raw dump and if its fat it should be obvious to get the FAT table offset and the blocks thereof |
| 19:25.36 | prpplague | T`2: yea thats what i figured |
| 19:25.54 | prpplague | T`2: i'm mainly brainstorming right now about the line of thinking |
| 19:27.11 | T`2 | how do you deal with parts and such in the island? do you guys have digikey shipping ;) ? |
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| 19:27.43 | prpplague | T`2: i order and have it shipped to my brothers in the states who then re-ships to me |
| 19:28.19 | prpplague | T`2: although i'll probably have problems this time around as the bank changed my address from my brothers to my address here in barbados without asking |
| 19:28.33 | sorphin | oops |
| 19:28.33 | prpplague | T`2: so i figure the next time i order online i'm gonna have problems |
| 19:28.48 | T`2 | no, you can always call them and tell them you have a different shipping address |
| 19:29.01 | T`2 | i did that when i was an intern in cali last year.. school is in PA |
| 19:29.03 | sorphin | but the credit card addr |
| 19:29.04 | sorphin | won't work |
| 19:29.13 | T`2 | no.. they have 2 addreses for CCs |
| 19:29.17 | T`2 | 1 physical, 1 mailing |
| 19:29.21 | sorphin | uh |
| 19:29.27 | sorphin | not all do |
| 19:29.30 | T`2 | they can do a mailing address change for liek 60 days or something.. its temporary |
| 19:29.34 | sorphin | and debit cards don't |
| 19:29.45 | T`2 | debit i'm not sure.. citi and amex have it |
| 19:29.50 | sorphin | anyways |
| 19:30.34 | prpplague | well the main problem is we don't have a zip code here |
| 19:30.44 | prpplague | which usually means that the online form will fail |
| 19:30.49 | sorphin | uh |
| 19:30.54 | sorphin | how can you not have a zip |
| 19:31.00 | sorphin | well |
| 19:31.01 | sorphin | postal code |
| 19:31.08 | sorphin | htf do you get mail? |
| 19:31.17 | prpplague | sorphin: its an island why do we need a zip? |
| 19:31.22 | sorphin | everywhere has a postal code, even england has a few |
| 19:31.22 | sorphin | heh |
| 19:31.40 | prpplague | sorphin: well not one of the carib or bahamas does |
| 19:31.50 | sorphin | heh |
| 19:31.57 | sorphin | they must not ship/get shipped anything :P |
| 19:32.11 | prpplague | sorphin: the other thing is there is no city listing |
| 19:32.31 | prpplague | sorphin: how do you explain that to someone ? hehe |
| 19:32.50 | sorphin | just say 'ship it to the Isle of Plague' |
| 19:32.50 | sorphin | :P |
| 19:32.58 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:33.12 | prpplague | sorphin: they use small parishes here |
| 19:33.17 | sorphin | heh |
| 19:33.38 | sorphin | prpplague: couldn't you have it sent to AML and they'd forward it to you i'm sure ;) |
| 19:33.59 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: what up? |
| 19:35.04 | T`2 | sorphin, they dont even have street names there.. their typical address looks like.. Mr.A B (only initials), Barbodos, Earth |
| 19:37.00 | T`2 | sorphin, i heard geeksquad is a very successful idea of bestbuy... apparently making lots of $$ for them |
| 19:37.24 | sorphin | they didn't come up with it tho |
| 19:37.33 | sorphin | they bought some thing in california that was geeksquad |
| 19:37.42 | T`2 | aah really! |
| 19:37.50 | T`2 | was driving a beetle part of it? |
| 19:38.17 | sorphin | hell if i know |
| 19:38.22 | T`2 | heh j/k |
| 19:38.28 | sorphin | i think it's an overpriced joke |
| 19:40.10 | CosmicPenguin | appeals to the stupid masses |
| 19:40.41 | CosmicPenguin | My wife's laptop broke, and they juked it, so we had to go in to get a new one |
| 19:41.01 | CosmicPenguin | They were out of stock on most of them (blaming the hurricane), and the guy told us that we might as well get Intel, because they're the same really |
| 19:41.07 | kergoth | huh, i didnt realize that current 2.6 includes a mechanism to collect network flow accounting information using the conntrack netlink interface |
| 19:41.07 | CosmicPenguin | The funny thing is that my wife was more pissed then I was |
| 19:41.15 | kergoth | makes sense for conntrack to have that info though |
| 19:41.20 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: hah |
| 19:42.59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, scroll back and look at what i was telling sorphin about the nand flash |
| 19:43.40 | prpplague | T`2: you are particially correct alot of the streets don't have names, but the houses do |
| 19:43.58 | prpplague | T`2: my house is "Tiffany Villa" |
| 19:44.38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 19:44.42 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: thats funny |
| 19:44.50 | prpplague | sorphin: i hate that geek squad crap too |
| 20:10.05 | CosmicPenguin | I like this new kernel development model |
| 20:10.16 | CosmicPenguin | its kind of refreshing to have all the new code submitted around the same time |
| 20:10.26 | CosmicPenguin | gives you a wide variety of things to gawk at |
| 20:13.48 | T`2 | cp, whats the new model? any url ? |
| 20:20.52 | CosmicPenguin | http://kerneltrap.org/node/5600 |
| 20:21.17 | CosmicPenguin | http://kerneltrap.org/node/5500 |
| 20:21.20 | CosmicPenguin | That one is better |
| 20:23.09 | kergoth`food | yeah it seems pretty cool. what do the developers think of it? i havent checked kernel traffic in ages |
| 20:23.49 | CosmicPenguin | I dunno how the big boys feel about it |
| 20:23.56 | CosmicPenguin | but I just see page after page of [PATCH] on gmane |
| 20:23.59 | CosmicPenguin | which imho is good |
| 20:24.03 | T`2 | interesting.. thanks |
| 20:24.03 | kergoth`food | hehe |
| 20:24.04 | kergoth`food | agreed |
| 20:24.52 | kergoth`food | mm, chipotle |
| 20:24.55 | kergoth`food | tastes like burning |
| 20:24.59 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 20:25.14 | CosmicPenguin | Chipolte the plant, or chipolte the resturant? |
| 20:25.14 | kergoth`food | sure clears out the sinuses |
| 20:25.20 | kergoth`food | hehe, restaurant |
| 20:25.29 | CosmicPenguin | heh - I ate there too today |
| 20:27.34 | T`2 | huh? u guys live in the same city ? |
| 20:27.44 | kergoth`food | it isnt a local restaurant |
| 20:29.15 | CosmicPenguin | I didn't know it was in so many cities |
| 20:29.49 | kergoth`food | neither did i. i used to eat there in texas, and now i do in minnesota too :) |
| 20:30.07 | sorphin | heh |
| 20:30.22 | kergoth`food | woo, no more deadlock in my kernel |
| 20:31.25 | sorphin | heh |
| 20:31.28 | sorphin | that's always good |
| 20:31.35 | kergoth`food | indeed |
| 20:31.42 | kergoth`food | doing a 'get' in an ftp client was deadlocking the board |
| 20:31.48 | sorphin | uh |
| 20:31.50 | sorphin | nice |
| 20:32.08 | kergoth`food | kinda hard to upgrade stuff when you cant ftp out |
| 20:32.09 | T`2 | ah.. never heard of that restaurant.. may be i hang around crapdonalds too much |
| 20:32.21 | sorphin | kergoth`food: stop fooding :P |
| 20:32.34 | kergoth`food | i'm still eating chips, damnit |
| 20:32.51 | sorphin | whateva sucka |
| 20:33.26 | sorphin | heh |
| 20:33.57 | kergoth`food | i should really pick up the stevens tcp/ip book |
| 20:34.00 | kergoth`food | for reference |
| 20:34.05 | sorphin | heh |
| 20:36.12 | kergoth`food | :) |
| 20:36.19 | kergoth`food | i love the uml_switch stuff |
| 20:40.55 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 20:40.57 | CosmicPenguin | that is cool |
| 20:47.05 | sorphin | i've onlyu used uml maybe once |
| 20:47.06 | sorphin | heh |
| 20:55.47 | CosmicPenguin | I find it sad that there are no ebuilds for the uml utilities |
| 20:57.39 | kergoth | really? thats surpirising |
| 20:57.43 | kergoth | they're all in debian/ubuntu |
| 20:57.55 | kergoth | fuck man, i'm diffing two 1 gig snapgear source trees |
| 20:58.02 | kergoth | i shouldve run the diff in 'time' |
| 20:58.45 | CosmicPenguin | Ok, so I was wrong |
| 20:58.50 | CosmicPenguin | I figured they would be under uml |
| 20:58.53 | CosmicPenguin | but they are under usermode |
| 20:58.57 | kergoth | weird |
| 20:58.59 | sorphin | heh |
| 20:59.02 | sorphin | well |
| 20:59.08 | sorphin | it IS usermode linux |
| 20:59.09 | sorphin | ;) |
| 20:59.20 | CosmicPenguin | yeah, yeah |
| 20:59.54 | kergoth | hmm... |
| 20:59.56 | kergoth | winter is approaching |
| 21:00.05 | kergoth | i need to buy a crappy car for winter, and soon |
| 21:01.13 | sorphin | heh |
| 21:01.21 | sorphin | weirdo |
| 21:01.49 | kergoth | this is minnesota. you dont drive a nice car in a minnesota winter, period |
| 21:01.52 | kergoth | has nothing to do with doing well |
| 21:01.56 | sorphin | kergoth: uh |
| 21:01.58 | sorphin | chris |
| 21:01.58 | kergoth | and everything to do with shitloads of salt on the roads |
| 21:01.59 | CosmicPenguin | I totally know where kergoth is coming from...... |
| 21:02.04 | sorphin | i've lived through a central WI weather |
| 21:02.19 | sorphin | where i was |
| 21:02.21 | kergoth | i'm happy for you, that doesnt mean i'm stupid enough to drive my xfire in a minnesota winter |
| 21:02.24 | sorphin | there was no 'shitloads of salt' |
| 21:02.29 | CosmicPenguin | They don't just call it salt lake city for kicks |
| 21:02.45 | sorphin | whatever |
| 21:02.58 | kergoth | it depends on the area. some places use sand, some salt, some just shit themselves when it snows ;) |
| 21:03.07 | sorphin | have fun |
| 21:03.28 | CosmicPenguin | I really prefer sand - not only because of the car, but it makes the roads less scary |
| 21:03.37 | CosmicPenguin | four inches of snow is way better then four inches of slush |
| 21:04.30 | sorphin | and black ice |
| 21:06.48 | CosmicPenguin | uml is cute |
| 21:07.40 | kergoth | i need to try to get hostfs working again. it doesnt work at all as root here, i set it, and it fails to mount |
| 21:07.59 | sorphin | heh |
| 21:08.15 | file[laptop] | kergoth: so you're using uml_switch? |
| 21:08.29 | sorphin | intel invited me to take a seurvey for whatever the hell i did, and is giving a way a centrino laptop |
| 21:08.41 | kergoth | for networking between my uml instances, yeah. then use tun/tap or whatever to connect one to the desktop's lan |
| 21:08.51 | file[laptop] | ah yes good good |
| 21:08.55 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: so you got a laptop then? |
| 21:09.08 | sorphin | no, not unless i win this one |
| 21:09.09 | sorphin | heh |
| 21:09.28 | sorphin | kergoth: vpnc uses the tun/tap interface.. other than vpnc, i've never used it |
| 21:09.28 | sorphin | heh |
| 21:09.55 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:09.59 | sorphin | and my nice shiney 6to4 |
| 21:11.17 | kergoth | i should set that back up |
| 21:11.33 | sorphin | it's nice having that w/o having to go through a tunnel broker |
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| 21:11.44 | sorphin | even tho i do end up routing to europe |
| 21:11.45 | sorphin | heh |
| 21:11.52 | sorphin | usually low enough latency |
| 21:11.59 | sorphin | compared to the brokers over here |
| 21:12.26 | kergoth | sorphin: you have any idea how to set up an ipv6 only box on the lan to talk to ipv4 boxes on the net? i mean, is there a standard mechanism of encoding the ipv4 address in an ipv6 address to get back to the net? |
| 21:12.47 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:12.55 | sorphin | uhh |
| 21:13.53 | sorphin | personally, i don't, no, i just use that magic prefix now to get me out |
| 21:13.58 | sorphin | and use my ipv4 addr |
| 21:14.03 | sorphin | and a 2002:: prefix |
| 21:14.24 | kergoth | ah right. magic prefix? |
| 21:15.08 | sorphin | yeah |
| 21:15.14 | sorphin | 2002:: is reserved |
| 21:15.26 | sorphin | and there's a special ipv4 addr you set as your default route |
| 21:16.47 | sorphin | few pages about it, and an rfc |
| 21:16.48 | sorphin | heh |
| 21:16.59 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:16.59 | sorphin | i can find em when i get home (bookmarked) |
| 21:17.06 | kergoth | thatd be cool |
| 21:17.16 | kergoth | i'd like to get that set up at home |
| 21:20.30 | sorphin | [mbm] poitned me at it |
| 21:20.38 | sorphin | he has it working on the wrt :P |
| 21:20.39 | sorphin | heh |
| 21:20.45 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:20.50 | CosmicPenguin | tun devices are c 10 200, right? |
| 21:20.58 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: ya |
| 21:21.29 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: crw-r--r-- 1 root root 10, 200 Sep 6 02:43 /dev/net/tun |
| 21:21.45 | CosmicPenguin | nice |
| 21:21.57 | CosmicPenguin | and nice of the Gentoo folks to already have that in my module aliases |
| 21:22.03 | sorphin | heh |
| 21:25.17 | sorphin | kergoth: here's a start |
| 21:25.18 | sorphin | http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc3068.html |
| 21:27.44 | kergoth | ah, interesting |
| 21:28.50 | sorphin | anycast |
| 21:30.16 | sorphin | kergoth: http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/ |
| 21:30.22 | sorphin | it's down a lil bit |
| 21:30.47 | kergoth | cool, thanks |
| 21:31.19 | sorphin | yep |
| 21:31.33 | kergoth | i should just flash my wrt with openwrt tonight |
| 21:31.38 | sorphin | your ipv6 addr |
| 21:31.41 | sorphin | is your ipv4 addr |
| 21:31.43 | sorphin | in hex |
| 21:31.48 | sorphin | w/ the 2002 prefix |
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| 21:33.51 | sorphin | kergoth: you really want chapter 9 |
| 21:34.39 | kergoth | yeah, i found it |
| 21:36.34 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm.... I must not understand tap |
| 21:36.44 | CosmicPenguin | and by tap I mean tun |
| 21:38.00 | CosmicPenguin | I just figured I could make a tun device, attach it to uml_switch, and bob is your uncle |
| 21:38.13 | CosmicPenguin | but bob is not my uncle, because the switch ain't switchin' |
| 21:39.23 | kergoth | i've never tried to connect the uml_switch to the lan via tun before, just used uml_switch between uml instances, and tun directly to one of them, with that instance doing nat |
| 21:39.34 | kergoth | uml_switch is supposed to support that though.. |
| 21:39.39 | CosmicPenguin | strange |
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| 21:51.10 | CosmicPenguin | yeap, tuntap works, but I had to change the route to be specific to my host |
| 21:52.11 | kergoth | ah |
| 21:56.02 | sorphin | heh |
| 21:56.53 | CosmicPenguin | indeed strange |
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| 22:49.10 | CosmicPenguin | wow |
| 22:49.17 | CosmicPenguin | that was a wasted afternoon |
| 22:52.29 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:55.38 | CosmicPenguin | I was trying to get a nfs mount working, and I kept getting error messages |
| 22:55.50 | CosmicPenguin | until I figured out that I had not build the NFSd on my host, or the NFS filesystem on the UML |
| 22:55.56 | CosmicPenguin | bah |
| 22:55.57 | kergoth | haha |
| 22:55.58 | kergoth | oops |
| 23:02.39 | CosmicPenguin | ~quote amd |
| 23:04.40 | CosmicPenguin | Keep on inching up |
| 23:18.49 | sorphin | heh |
| 23:18.58 | sorphin | amd is overrated ;) |
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