| 00:00.22 | CosmicPenguin | ~quote amd |
| 00:00.33 | sorphin | d'oh |
| 00:00.39 | CosmicPenguin | Still - 20.87 aint half shabby |
| 00:00.47 | sorphin | ~goog |
| 00:00.48 | CosmicPenguin | Considering where it was two months ago |
| 00:00.50 | sorphin | erm |
| 00:00.53 | sorphin | ~quote goog |
| 00:01.46 | sorphin | build more little houses for their employees in the building |
| 00:01.47 | sorphin | heh |
| 00:01.51 | sorphin | i guess |
| 00:02.15 | CosmicPenguin | We are google, fear us! |
| 00:02.42 | jbevren | still havent loaded the kernel |
| 00:02.52 | sorphin | um.. ok |
| 00:05.16 | jbevren | di you erase the flash before putting the fs image on it? |
| 00:05.49 | sorphin | this is the original jffs2 i put on it, and it never complained till now |
| 00:06.21 | sorphin | s/q/g/ |
| 00:06.58 | CosmicPenguin | erasing the flash is good |
| 00:07.07 | sorphin | heh |
| 00:07.16 | sorphin | and i'm supposed to do that how? :P |
| 00:07.24 | CosmicPenguin | I'm just saying is all |
| 00:07.35 | CosmicPenguin | if old bits are on there, jffs has a tendency to get confused |
| 00:09.07 | jbevren | you can erase the flash from the firmware ;-) |
| 00:09.14 | sorphin | heh |
| 00:09.25 | sorphin | and be careful with the addresses huh? :p |
| 00:09.27 | kergoth | hm |
| 00:09.35 | jbevren | the ppc firwmare's protected |
| 00:09.43 | jbevren | even if you try you cant erase it without an unlock command |
| 00:12.04 | jbevren | time to go cut some heads off |
| 00:12.09 | jbevren | 3/10 right? |
| 00:12.15 | sorphin | huh? |
| 00:12.20 | jbevren | port 3/10 |
| 00:12.28 | jbevren | that'd be the lan side of the trunk |
| 00:12.29 | jbevren | afk |
| 00:16.16 | CosmicPenguin | Welcome to my world... :) |
| 00:29.16 | sorphin | and it seems |
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| 00:29.23 | sorphin | mtd-tools can't actually do anything w/ the ppc's flash |
| 00:36.01 | sorphin | heh |
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| 00:42.46 | sorphin | and hopes it's right |
| 00:42.46 | sorphin | heh |
| 00:45.51 | T` | anyone knows any nice tool (perahs a plugin for vi) to view what a patch file is trying to do? |
| 00:46.58 | sorphin | uhh |
| 00:47.00 | sorphin | heh |
| 00:48.15 | T` | heh.. a graphical diff like vimdiff would be cool |
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| 01:15.53 | MonMotha | gah, apparently it's impossible to source parts unless you're in China and want 10000+ |
| 01:16.01 | sorphin | yeah |
| 01:16.03 | sorphin | generally |
| 01:16.12 | MonMotha | I just want 1, dammit |
| 01:16.41 | MonMotha | but then Sony is generally like that |
| 01:16.56 | sorphin | that's why i had to dig just to find this lcd |
| 01:16.59 | sorphin | and what's funny |
| 01:17.01 | sorphin | it's the same model |
| 01:17.07 | sorphin | but the cable's different |
| 01:17.12 | MonMotha | go figure |
| 01:17.15 | sorphin | which is prolly why it's shifted to the right |
| 01:17.18 | MonMotha | I guess I'll just reinvent the wheel |
| 01:17.26 | jayakuma12 | MonMotha: which part is that? |
| 01:17.52 | MonMotha | jayakuma12: CXA1645 or a CXA2075 |
| 01:18.16 | MonMotha | one of those chips would replace almost an entire board of discrete analog parts that it looks like I'm going to have to design |
| 01:19.13 | sorphin | heh |
| 01:20.08 | MonMotha | of course, that's just because RGB video capture devices cost $thousands |
| 01:20.30 | sorphin | hehe |
| 01:21.23 | sorphin | heh |
| 01:22.11 | sorphin | apaprently not, cuz it's doing it again |
| 01:22.11 | MonMotha | I guess if I wanted to get really mean, I could just capture it on a TV tuner and convert it to the right colorspace in software |
| 01:22.25 | jayakuma12 | oh. it converts vga output to tv output? |
| 01:24.01 | sorphin | grr |
| 01:24.24 | sorphin | this stupid thing doesn't say what unit SIZE is in, just 128, 128kb, 128000 |
| 01:25.11 | sorphin | ah |
| 01:25.17 | sorphin | "KiB" |
| 01:25.18 | sorphin | weird |
| 01:26.08 | MonMotha | jayakuma12: not exactly VGA |
| 01:26.26 | MonMotha | it takes signals in the RGB colorspace and turns them into Y/C or CVBS TV |
| 01:26.39 | MonMotha | however, you have to make sure the timings are correct; it won't do any scan conversion |
| 01:27.59 | sorphin | and the point of this is.... |
| 01:28.02 | MonMotha | VGA signals are progressive and therefore at twice the expected horizontal |
| 01:28.09 | MonMotha | sorphin: I need to capture the video output of an arcade |
| 01:28.15 | sorphin | heh |
| 01:28.16 | sorphin | why? |
| 01:28.24 | MonMotha | we're making a movie |
| 01:28.29 | sorphin | ah |
| 01:28.37 | sorphin | ah good, clean mount this time |
| 01:29.08 | MonMotha | speaking of arcades, I think I may go play some games |
| 01:29.22 | MonMotha | assuming anybody's still open |
| 01:29.29 | sorphin | heh |
| 01:29.43 | MonMotha | well, now that school is in session, they tend to just close early if nobody shows up |
| 01:31.04 | MonMotha | crap, it's "Free Play Thursday" aka "Wow, that's a crappy deal" |
| 01:31.20 | MonMotha | so I'd have to go to the one further away (which, to be fair, has a machine I'm more interested in) |
| 01:31.23 | sorphin | wtf |
| 01:31.30 | sorphin | none) login: root |
| 01:31.30 | sorphin | Password: |
| 01:31.30 | sorphin | login[14]: root login on `ttyS. |
| 01:31.30 | sorphin | (none) login: |
| 01:31.32 | MonMotha | they're not really arcades, they're laser tag places |
| 01:31.34 | sorphin | damn you busybox |
| 01:31.36 | MonMotha | haha |
| 01:31.59 | sorphin | glad you find this amusing |
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| 01:33.20 | sorphin | dammit |
| 01:33.22 | sorphin | same result |
| 01:33.31 | sorphin | busybox runs, but doesn't seem to attach to the terminal |
| 01:33.34 | sorphin | well |
| 01:33.38 | sorphin | ttyS0 that is |
| 01:33.45 | sorphin | even w/ init=/bin/sh |
| 01:47.11 | sorphin | ah ha |
| 01:47.32 | sorphin | root@A3000:/mnt/bin# ./busybox sh |
| 01:47.32 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:47.32 | sorphin | BusyBox v1.01 (2005.08.18-23:02+0000) Built-in shell (ash) |
| 01:47.32 | sorphin | Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands. |
| 01:47.33 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:47.35 | sorphin | Segmentation fault |
| 01:47.45 | sorphin | that'd do it |
| 01:47.57 | sorphin | now the question is... why is it doing it |
| 01:49.06 | sorphin | just the shells tho |
| 01:49.10 | sorphin | other commands work |
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| 01:54.26 | jbevren | well, I found the problem |
| 01:54.27 | sorphin | jbevren: yo |
| 01:54.31 | jbevren | and I have one linksys in the dumpster |
| 01:54.42 | file[laptop] | sorphin: kergoth has caught the Asterisk bug |
| 01:54.43 | sorphin | jbevren: and i have a segfaulting busybox |
| 01:54.43 | jbevren | the ppc's my router for the moment :D |
| 01:54.55 | jbevren | and atm, the only box online |
| 01:54.56 | sorphin | but only when running as a shell |
| 01:54.57 | jbevren | lol :) |
| 01:55.02 | sorphin | ash or sh |
| 01:55.05 | sorphin | everything else works |
| 01:55.07 | jbevren | hm |
| 01:55.16 | sorphin | file[laptop]: just like he's caught the network bug ; |
| 01:55.17 | sorphin | ;) |
| 01:55.29 | file[laptop] | indeed |
| 01:55.49 | jbevren | and while I was out I thought I'd prep the TV my landlady wont dispose of for disposal |
| 01:55.54 | sorphin | jbevren: ./busybox sh results in banner then Segmentation Fault |
| 01:55.57 | jbevren | its now in tiny pieces |
| 01:56.01 | sorphin | nod |
| 01:56.03 | jbevren | hmm |
| 01:56.10 | jbevren | oh |
| 01:56.15 | jbevren | I was gonna dcc you a jffs img |
| 01:56.19 | jbevren | and since I'm on the ppc now |
| 01:56.20 | jbevren | want it? |
| 01:56.22 | sorphin | heh |
| 01:56.29 | sorphin | what's on it? |
| 01:56.37 | jbevren | its my (working) busybox jffs |
| 01:56.45 | jbevren | hte one in mtdfinal.txt |
| 01:56.51 | sorphin | heh |
| 01:57.26 | sorphin | give it asm and linux include dirs |
| 01:57.29 | sorphin | but not network |
| 01:57.38 | sorphin | give it CROSS on the make commandline |
| 01:57.48 | sorphin | even tho it's specified in the Rules.mk |
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| 01:58.01 | jbevren | did you use menuconfig? |
| 01:58.04 | sorphin | yes |
| 01:59.32 | jbevren | hmm I thought that had the cross option in it |
| 01:59.35 | jbevren | I shrug |
| 01:59.40 | sorphin | it does |
| 01:59.59 | jbevren | hmm |
| 02:00.08 | sorphin | and here's in my .config |
| 02:00.09 | sorphin | USING_CROSS_COMPILER=y |
| 02:00.09 | sorphin | CROSS_COMPILER_PREFIX="powerpc-linux-" |
| 02:00.10 | sorphin | EXTRA_CFLAGS_OPTIONS="-I/root/a3000/include" |
| 02:00.31 | sorphin | but i still have to say CROSS=powerpc-linux- on the make commandline |
| 02:00.38 | sorphin | else while it uses it |
| 02:00.46 | sorphin | Rules.mk doesn't see it |
| 02:00.55 | jbevren | I had similar issues building stuff for an unnamed small handheld box |
| 02:01.00 | sorphin | and tries to compile w/ i386 CFLAGSs |
| 02:01.36 | sorphin | you mean the kids drink box? :P |
| 02:02.18 | jbevren | I need me a very stiff drink |
| 02:02.25 | jbevren | today was just one big line o' bs |
| 02:02.49 | sorphin | missy's had a shit week too, she wants to drink tomorrow night |
| 02:02.50 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:03.05 | jbevren | I should join my sister if she's going to be in the area |
| 02:03.14 | sorphin | nod |
| 02:03.16 | jbevren | (the one that doesnt live 6 blocks away |
| 02:03.20 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:03.33 | jbevren | although I'd join her too, but I see her 5-6 times/week :) |
| 02:03.43 | sorphin | jbevren: go ahead and dcc the jffs2 |
| 02:03.47 | jbevren | k |
| 02:04.17 | sorphin | jbevren: that was sure fun guessing the offsets :P |
| 02:04.33 | sorphin | FF800000 to FFDFFFFF |
| 02:04.34 | sorphin | :P |
| 02:05.27 | jbevren | not too bad actually |
| 02:05.33 | jbevren | you mean for the erase? |
| 02:05.36 | sorphin | yes |
| 02:06.05 | jbevren | now technically I have to send you the source too |
| 02:06.08 | jbevren | but I'm not gonna |
| 02:06.12 | jbevren | (/gpl) |
| 02:06.13 | jbevren | hehe |
| 02:06.25 | sorphin | not like i can't mount it and get everything off of it :P |
| 02:06.31 | jbevren | since I'm on the ppc, I mounted the jffs and used those files to make an image |
| 02:06.52 | sorphin | jbevren: i'm one of the people in there that doesn't preach the gpl |
| 02:07.20 | jbevren | mkfs.jffs2 -r . -e 128 -v -p -o /home/jbevren/working.jffs |
| 02:07.29 | sorphin | you don't need the -r . |
| 02:07.29 | jbevren | s'ok, I'm just joking |
| 02:07.34 | sorphin | it default to cwd |
| 02:07.36 | jbevren | nod |
| 02:07.39 | sorphin | uhh |
| 02:07.42 | sorphin | i tried -e 128 before |
| 02:07.50 | sorphin | and finally ended up w/ crc errors |
| 02:07.54 | jbevren | really |
| 02:07.56 | sorphin | this time i did -e 128KiB |
| 02:08.03 | sorphin | like i found online |
| 02:08.06 | jbevren | hm |
| 02:08.08 | jbevren | let me rebuild it for ya |
| 02:08.39 | jbevren | unknown units in erasesize |
| 02:08.45 | sorphin | mkfs.jffs2 woudlnt' run for me, missing lib |
| 02:08.48 | sorphin | hold |
| 02:08.50 | sorphin | lemme doublecheck |
| 02:08.56 | jbevren | I also tried 128k |
| 02:09.08 | jbevren | want me to build it with 131072? |
| 02:09.25 | sorphin | mkfs.jffs2 -p -e 128KiB -b -P -v -o ../a3000.root is what i used |
| 02:09.42 | jbevren | your mkfs is a different version from mine then |
| 02:10.04 | sorphin | oh |
| 02:10.14 | sorphin | and ftl_*, mtd_debug, none of that |
| 02:10.16 | sorphin | could see the flash |
| 02:10.38 | jbevren | I just dd'd /dev/zero to /dev/mtdblock1 |
| 02:10.43 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:10.46 | jbevren | but that adds more erase cycles so I dont plan on doing it again |
| 02:11.05 | sorphin | nod |
| 02:11.15 | jbevren | tomoorow's friday eh? |
| 02:11.19 | jbevren | thank f/ing god |
| 02:11.20 | sorphin | payday for me |
| 02:11.25 | jbevren | I was paid on tues |
| 02:11.45 | sorphin | you must be 15th and 31st'ish |
| 02:11.56 | sorphin | or something similar to that |
| 02:12.02 | sorphin | or you just have a really odd payday |
| 02:12.38 | sorphin | jbevren: oh, if the bootloader Bad Magic's |
| 02:12.43 | sorphin | the reset button won't even work |
| 02:12.44 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:17.02 | jbevren | hm? |
| 02:17.53 | sorphin | if you try and load a file via tftpboot to a bad spot, or even trying to bootm 400000 ff800000 when the jffs2 is there, when it tries to validate |
| 02:17.58 | sorphin | says Bad MAgic |
| 02:18.13 | sorphin | and hangs the box to where a powercycle is required, the reset button won't even work |
| 02:18.15 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:19.49 | jbevren | strange |
| 02:19.52 | sorphin | yeah |
| 02:19.57 | jbevren | could be the flahs is left in command mode |
| 02:20.03 | sorphin | dunno |
| 02:20.04 | jbevren | is the flash's reset line hooked to system reset? |
| 02:20.10 | sorphin | didn't look |
| 02:20.19 | sorphin | got a new image? |
| 02:20.33 | sorphin | if not, better resend the other one, i nuked it :P |
| 02:20.37 | jbevren | hehe |
| 02:20.51 | jbevren | trying to work out the iptables masq rule |
| 02:20.57 | jbevren | webmin is its usually sucky self |
| 02:21.02 | sorphin | never used it |
| 02:21.07 | jbevren | it has -a- rule set, but iirc you need two rules |
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| 02:25.17 | jbevren | fgures |
| 02:25.21 | jbevren | it sets up the rules, |
| 02:25.24 | jbevren | but doesnt set ip_forward |
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| 02:26.32 | sorphin | nod |
| 02:28.45 | jbevren | hm |
| 02:28.50 | jbevren | I was unaware of the 'untracked' state |
| 02:28.51 | jbevren | crazy |
| 02:29.02 | jbevren | I just knew about established, related, invalid |
| 02:29.12 | jbevren | anyway |
| 02:29.54 | jbevren_ | hmm |
| 02:29.57 | jbevren_ | so this box is back online |
| 02:32.32 | sorphin | wtf is this damn charge |
| 02:33.30 | sorphin | oh joy, i get to ask the bank tomorrow when i'm there wtf it is |
| 02:33.44 | sorphin | it just says "ACH DEBIT PAYMENT CLICK 2 PAY TRACE NO:...." |
| 02:34.19 | sorphin | nevermind |
| 02:34.28 | sorphin | just figured it out |
| 02:34.33 | sorphin | wtf can't sears just say sears |
| 02:34.35 | sorphin | morons |
| 02:34.40 | jbevren | ok dont need this client now |
| 02:35.03 | sorphin | nod |
| 02:45.01 | jbevren | so ppc = nat router |
| 02:45.09 | sorphin | nod |
| 02:45.10 | jbevren | I should squeeze it down to jffs |
| 02:45.15 | jbevren | too lazy atm |
| 02:45.22 | jbevren | worn out from running new lines etc :) |
| 02:45.30 | jbevren | nod. Now that things are settled, I'll rebuild the jffs |
| 02:45.34 | jbevren | I nuked it too lol |
| 02:45.42 | sorphin | k |
| 02:46.00 | sorphin | nothing else does |
| 02:46.18 | jbevren | yeah, thats strange for sure |
| 02:46.36 | jbevren | I think ip_conntrack_irc should open port 113 |
| 02:46.37 | jbevren | hehe |
| 02:47.33 | sorphin | cuz it's hanging |
| 02:48.01 | sorphin | firewall |
| 02:48.04 | jbevren | yeah |
| 02:48.07 | sorphin | ωνω DCC Unable to create connection: Interrupted system call |
| 02:48.08 | jbevren | conntrack_irc wasnt loaded |
| 02:48.37 | sorphin | will be even |
| 02:49.14 | sorphin | ipfwadmin -> ipchains -> iptables |
| 02:49.25 | jbevren | hehe |
| 02:49.30 | jbevren | I started with ipfwadm |
| 02:49.34 | jbevren | refused to use chains |
| 02:49.38 | jbevren | went right to tables :) |
| 02:49.49 | sorphin | haven't done any of them since |
| 02:49.52 | jbevren | tables is fun, you can create interestingly convoluted packet mazes |
| 02:49.57 | sorphin | went straight to a real router |
| 02:50.09 | jbevren | nod |
| 02:50.15 | sorphin | anyways, tnx |
| 02:50.21 | jbevren | if I had 16M flash on my 2514, I'd be using it |
| 02:50.37 | jbevren | the only IOS I have with dhcp client, server, and nat is 11M |
| 02:52.04 | jbevren | dunno what inspired me to get the 2514 |
| 02:52.09 | jbevren | it being $20 helped I guess |
| 02:52.20 | sorphin | prolly |
| 02:52.24 | jbevren | work 'gave' it to me cause the network numpty couldnt get it to boot |
| 02:52.30 | sorphin | my 1605 was $800 at the time igot it |
| 02:52.33 | jbevren | I reset the config-register and tftp'd a new ios in |
| 02:52.34 | jbevren | hehe |
| 02:52.35 | sorphin | 1601 was $1000 |
| 02:52.48 | sorphin | my catalyst |
| 02:52.54 | sorphin | was $500 just a few years ago |
| 02:53.00 | sorphin | the 2511 was free |
| 02:53.08 | sorphin | w/ the octis |
| 02:53.46 | sorphin | got strace or ltrace for ppc handy? |
| 02:53.47 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:54.00 | jbevren | ltrace eh? |
| 02:54.04 | jbevren | I ususally use strace |
| 02:54.07 | jbevren | how's ltrace different |
| 02:54.20 | sorphin | Tracks runtime library calls in dynamically linked programs. |
| 02:54.25 | jbevren | nod |
| 02:54.29 | jbevren | strace uses stack to do so (?) |
| 02:54.53 | jbevren | do you have the libs for it? |
| 02:55.02 | jbevren | libelf.so libc.so.6 ld.so.1 |
| 02:56.26 | jbevren | still having probs with bb? |
| 02:56.35 | sorphin | yeah |
| 02:56.38 | sorphin | told you |
| 02:56.40 | sorphin | the shells segv |
| 02:56.44 | jbevren | even on mine eh? |
| 02:56.50 | jbevren | really whacked out |
| 02:56.53 | sorphin | no |
| 02:56.56 | sorphin | haven't tried yours yet |
| 02:57.22 | sorphin | but i'd like to know why mine's borked too |
| 02:57.23 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:57.59 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:58.05 | sorphin | ltrace has a more informative About: |
| 02:58.10 | sorphin | strace just has... |
| 02:58.17 | sorphin | strace is a useful diagnositic, instructional, and debugging tool. System adminstrators, diagnosticians and troubleshooters will find it invaluable for solving problems with programs for which the source is not readily. |
| 02:58.24 | sorphin | aka a commercial :P |
| 02:58.29 | sorphin | ltrace tells you what it does |
| 02:58.30 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:58.50 | sorphin | ah |
| 02:58.51 | sorphin | here we go |
| 02:58.51 | jbevren | back to playing videos off nfs |
| 02:58.53 | jbevren | packetloss-free |
| 02:59.02 | sorphin | jbevren: # strace - trace system calls made by a process |
| 02:59.03 | sorphin | # ltrace - trace library function calls made by a process |
| 02:59.26 | sorphin | 2 diff philosophies |
| 02:59.27 | sorphin | heh |
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| 03:06.22 | jbevren | nod |
| 03:06.26 | jbevren | did you want it? |
| 03:07.05 | sorphin | only thing i don't ahve is libelf |
| 03:07.39 | jbevren | hm |
| 03:07.43 | jbevren | I already packed up a whole set |
| 03:07.46 | jbevren | hehe |
| 03:07.50 | sorphin | eh? |
| 03:07.58 | jbevren | all the libs in one tar |
| 03:08.04 | sorphin | k |
| 03:08.12 | sorphin | got a static gdb? ;) |
| 03:08.26 | jbevren | nope |
| 03:08.27 | jbevren | hehe |
| 03:08.30 | sorphin | ok |
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| 03:51.03 | GPSFan | sorphin: evenin.. |
| 03:51.09 | sorphin | GPSFan: evenin ken |
| 03:51.47 | GPSFan | I was able to get busybox 1.01 working, both static & dynamic. |
| 03:52.01 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:52.02 | sorphin | lucky you |
| 03:52.14 | sorphin | it' sonly the damn shells |
| 03:52.49 | GPSFan | makefile & rules.mk need a bit of work, stuff that used to work in 1.0 don't anymore. |
| 03:52.59 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:53.12 | sorphin | i guess erik didn't know this? |
| 03:53.13 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:53.16 | GPSFan | I can dcc you a ramdisk.gz to try. |
| 03:53.45 | sorphin | possible to just dcc the busybox? (static if possible) |
| 03:53.59 | GPSFan | I had some different cross compiler problems from you, so I think there is still work to do in the menuconfig stuff. |
| 03:54.36 | sorphin | it's really a pain finding a native gdb |
| 03:54.37 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:54.41 | GPSFan | each are about 600k, you need all the links set up right. |
| 03:55.21 | GPSFan | yeah, that's what I thought, I used the default config and nothing worked. |
| 03:55.49 | GPSFan | redid the config to match what I used for my mpc750 and all is nice. |
| 03:55.54 | sorphin | ah |
| 03:56.00 | sorphin | can you dcc that too? ;) |
| 03:56.53 | GPSFan | I'll dcc you the .config and the ramdisk, just a moment till I rebuild it static, the ramdisk will still have the uclibc libs though. |
| 03:57.06 | sorphin | k |
| 03:57.30 | sorphin | just zip/tar it up |
| 04:00.44 | sorphin | tnx |
| 04:01.30 | GPSFan | that's the .config I just built that busybox from, the ramdisk (us1.gz) has no password for root. |
| 04:01.50 | sorphin | k |
| 04:02.14 | GPSFan | I'm running the dynamic version of that on my ppc now BusyBox v1.01 (2005.08.19-03:45+0000) Built-in shell (ash) |
| 04:02.49 | sorphin | nod |
| 04:03.53 | GPSFan | you might want to change my resolv.conf to your own. |
| 04:03.58 | sorphin | nod |
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| 04:20.42 | GPSFan | night... |
| 04:21.11 | sorphin | night |
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| 04:52.24 | sorphin | jbevren: re |
| 04:52.31 | jbevren | freenode hated my ghosts |
| 04:52.39 | jbevren | for some reason, the ppc lost all networking |
| 04:52.54 | jbevren | well, loopback was up |
| 04:52.57 | sorphin | nod |
| 05:13.07 | sorphin | Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. |
| 05:13.08 | sorphin | 0x10078a94 in atexit (func=0x1004a9e0 <cmdedit_reset_term>) at atexit.c:31 |
| 05:13.20 | sorphin | mini flood |
| 05:13.21 | sorphin | #0 0x10078a94 in atexit (func=0x1004a9e0 <cmdedit_reset_term>) at atexit.c:31 |
| 05:13.21 | sorphin | #1 0x1004b3f8 in cmdedit_init () |
| 05:13.21 | sorphin | #2 0x1004cab4 in cmdedit_read_input () |
| 05:13.21 | sorphin | #3 0x10041288 in preadbuffer () |
| 05:13.21 | sorphin | #4 0x100410fc in pgetc () |
| 05:13.22 | sorphin | #5 0x100465a8 in xxreadtoken () |
| 05:13.24 | sorphin | #6 0x10046458 in readtoken () |
| 05:13.26 | sorphin | #7 0x100455dc in parsecmd () |
| 05:13.28 | sorphin | #8 0x10043b88 in cmdloop () |
| 05:13.30 | sorphin | #9 0x10043a80 in ash_main () |
| 05:13.34 | sorphin | not that i understand all that busybox calls |
| 05:13.38 | jbevren | heh |
| 05:13.45 | jbevren | same spot every time? |
| 05:14.02 | sorphin | yes |
| 05:14.07 | Russ | valgrind it |
| 05:14.21 | sorphin | heh |
| 05:14.30 | sorphin | got a ppc of it handy? :P |
| 05:14.46 | Russ | sure, lemme just pull that out of my back pocket |
| 05:14.52 | sorphin | heh |
| 05:17.17 | sorphin | #0 0x10078a94 in atexit (func=0x1004a9e0 <cmdedit_reset_term>) at atexit.c:31 |
| 05:17.17 | sorphin | #1 0x1004b3f8 in cmdedit_init () |
| 05:17.17 | sorphin | #2 0x1004cab4 in cmdedit_read_input () |
| 05:17.17 | sorphin | #3 0x10041288 in preadbuffer () |
| 05:17.17 | sorphin | #4 0x100410fc in pgetc () |
| 05:17.17 | sorphin | #5 0x100465a8 in xxreadtoken () |
| 05:17.19 | sorphin | #6 0x10046458 in readtoken () |
| 05:17.21 | sorphin | #7 0x100455dc in parsecmd () |
| 05:17.23 | sorphin | #8 0x10043b88 in cmdloop () |
| 05:17.25 | sorphin | dammit |
| 05:17.27 | sorphin | PPC32 on Linux is under development but not yet usable. |
| 05:17.29 | sorphin | ^^^^ |
| 05:17.33 | sorphin | i won't be valgrinding |
| 05:17.40 | jbevren | eh? |
| 05:17.49 | sorphin | taht's from their page |
| 05:17.54 | jbevren | bbox? |
| 05:18.00 | sorphin | valgrind |
| 05:18.05 | jbevren | oh |
| 05:18.12 | sorphin | what russ was suggesting |
| 05:18.19 | jbevren | I'm clueless |
| 05:18.30 | sorphin | got an strace taht doesn't need 2.3? :P |
| 05:18.35 | jbevren | so I figured it was some backhanded reference to tossign it in a grinder |
| 05:18.36 | jbevren | hehe |
| 05:18.41 | sorphin | no |
| 05:19.36 | Russ | compile it with -g at least |
| 05:19.38 | Russ | then gdb |
| 05:19.47 | jbevren | isnt that waht he's been pasting? :) |
| 05:19.52 | sorphin | :P |
| 05:20.09 | jbevren | Fired AOL Engineer gets 15 Months |
| 05:20.10 | jbevren | hehe |
| 05:20.12 | sorphin | yep |
| 05:20.16 | jbevren | fun to see |
| 05:20.17 | Russ | config debug is not -g |
| 05:20.22 | jbevren | spammer helper gets the book |
| 05:20.22 | Russ | it strips it anyway |
| 05:20.28 | sorphin | actually |
| 05:20.32 | sorphin | the file isn't stripped |
| 05:21.02 | sorphin | busybox: ELF 32-bit MSB executable, PowerPC or TiVo, version 1, statically linked, not stripped |
| 05:21.26 | jbevren | powerpc or tivo? |
| 05:21.30 | jbevren | bah. |
| 05:21.34 | sorphin | yeah, when i was doing the tivo work |
| 05:21.39 | jbevren | yeah |
| 05:21.41 | sorphin | i adjusted the magic file |
| 05:21.45 | jbevren | but for magic to contain 'or tivo' in the st.. oh |
| 05:21.58 | jbevren | :) |
| 05:22.19 | jbevren | finally got a trackign id for my phones |
| 05:22.29 | sorphin | cool |
| 05:22.40 | jbevren | now just need to get my fxo adapter |
| 05:22.44 | sorphin | heh |
| 05:22.50 | sorphin | like one of those modems? ;) |
| 05:22.51 | jbevren | wonder how well the ppc would run asterisk |
| 05:22.54 | jbevren | naw |
| 05:22.57 | jbevren | I had a pci fxo card |
| 05:22.59 | jbevren | it shorted |
| 05:23.05 | sorphin | mine work great |
| 05:23.06 | jbevren | like, the psu dies if its plugged in |
| 05:23.17 | jbevren | or, it does on the ppc, maybe it wouldnt in a 5v slot |
| 05:23.24 | sorphin | as i said |
| 05:23.32 | sorphin | these work perfectly fine :P |
| 05:23.32 | jbevren | it worked great, aside from no txgain, so people whined about not being able to hear |
| 05:23.47 | jbevren | but I got a grandstream to replace it |
| 05:24.06 | jbevren | that way I'm not bound to a pci-based box for voip routing :) |
| 05:24.17 | sorphin | heh |
| 05:24.25 | sorphin | to each their own |
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| 05:24.35 | jbevren | I enjoy complexity to some extent |
| 05:24.36 | jbevren | heh |
| 05:24.37 | sorphin | guy at work also bought a sipura 3000 |
| 05:24.58 | jbevren | I have experience with grandstreams is all |
| 05:25.03 | jbevren | I have a 486 fxs |
| 05:25.14 | jbevren | got a 488 fxo/fxs combo to replace the wildcard |
| 05:25.28 | jbevren | (and gained another voip phone port to boot) |
| 05:25.35 | jbevren | anyway |
| 05:25.40 | jbevren | its 12 freaking 30 :) |
| 05:25.44 | sorphin | so? |
| 05:25.46 | jbevren | I like mine :) |
| 05:25.50 | jbevren | so I get up at 6 tomorrow |
| 05:25.53 | jbevren | friday's my long day |
| 05:25.53 | sorphin | so? |
| 05:25.58 | sorphin | i get up too |
| 05:25.58 | jbevren | so I'm going the heck to bed |
| 05:26.02 | jbevren | :) |
| 05:26.03 | sorphin | cya slacker |
| 05:26.25 | jbevren | let me know what you find :) |
| 05:26.29 | jbevren | <- zzz. |
| 05:26.34 | sorphin | k |
| 05:29.23 | sorphin | yay |
| 05:29.28 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:29.56 | sorphin | guess that explains some things |
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| 05:47.05 | Genesis | bonjour |
| 05:55.35 | sorphin | well WTF |
| 05:56.04 | sorphin | i compile busybox as dynamic |
| 05:56.08 | sorphin | and the shell works |
| 05:56.15 | sorphin | wtf |
| 05:56.35 | Genesis | on an arm ? |
| 05:56.45 | sorphin | no |
| 05:56.46 | sorphin | ppc |
| 05:56.49 | Genesis | oki |
| 05:58.34 | sorphin | Genesis: ca va? |
| 05:58.45 | Genesis | ca va :) |
| 05:59.18 | Genesis | prplague had find a good way for the juicebox |
| 05:59.23 | Genesis | have you see that ? |
| 05:59.53 | Genesis | it's terrible |
| 06:00.06 | sorphin | yeah |
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| 13:01.37 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
| 13:01.41 | prpplague | merry freakin friday |
| 13:01.55 | Genesis | salut :) |
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| 13:04.58 | jbevren | lost network again |
| 13:05.01 | jbevren | strike two |
| 13:05.14 | prpplague | jbevren: doh |
| 13:05.25 | jbevren | I lost all networking on this think last night |
| 13:05.29 | jbevren | couldnt ping lan, couldnt ping the gateway |
| 13:05.45 | jbevren | I cant have it doing this while I'm trying to work |
| 13:10.16 | prpplague | i bet |
| 13:19.08 | sorphin | ~lart this week for sucking |
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| 13:20.57 | jbevren | >:-( |
| 13:21.08 | jbevren | if fwd_pktcount > x { fail(); } |
| 13:23.33 | jbevren | both eths were ont he same irq |
| 13:23.59 | jbevren | the stupid thing has 26 irq's, and only 6 devices (2serial, 1net, 3 pci) |
| 13:24.01 | jbevren | and they share irqs |
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| 13:35.52 | sorphin | heh |
| 13:36.07 | sorphin | so rewire w/ some 30ga :P |
| 13:36.39 | jbevren | I'm gonna rewire it with a stick of 00ga. |
| 13:36.45 | sorphin | heh |
| 13:37.19 | jbevren | strangely, it was keeping the state of my ssh connections |
| 13:37.21 | jbevren | but not irc |
| 13:37.27 | jbevren | (over reboots) |
| 13:37.55 | sorphin | you act like irc is a major loss ;p |
| 13:38.03 | prpplague | ahh the joys of using m$ - http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166168,00.html |
| 13:38.09 | jbevren | I cant do without youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu :( |
| 13:39.52 | sorphin | uhhh |
| 13:39.54 | sorphin | right |
| 13:39.59 | jbevren | hehe |
| 13:40.14 | jbevren | I just thought it was strange that one port gets saved over the other |
| 13:40.22 | jbevren | doesnt really matter, just an oddity |
| 13:40.28 | sorphin | right |
| 13:44.19 | jbevren | strange |
| 13:44.29 | jbevren | irq4 (serial) just stops |
| 13:45.05 | sorphin | nod |
| 13:56.17 | prpplague | @#$%@$%@#$% sourceforge |
| 13:56.49 | sorphin | prpplague: among other things |
| 13:57.42 | file[laptop] | bleh |
| 13:57.47 | jbevren | 64 bytes from 192.168.1.6: icmp_seq=1819 ttl=64 time=407000.6 ms |
| 13:57.49 | jbevren | lol |
| 13:58.01 | prpplague | sorphin: i went on a spending spree when i was in the states, now, i'm broke till the end of the month |
| 13:58.22 | prpplague | sorphin: i'm normally much more responsible with my money, i can't figure out what got into my head |
| 13:59.19 | sorphin | the fact that you had access to stuff agian? |
| 13:59.40 | prpplague | sorphin: i could of just ordered it off the net |
| 13:59.55 | kergoth | morning |
| 14:00.07 | prpplague | kergoth: well hello stranger |
| 14:00.08 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:00.15 | prpplague | kergoth: hows your week been? |
| 14:00.19 | file[laptop] | eep it's kergoth |
| 14:01.07 | kergoth | prpplague: good, learning lots of networky things, stirring things up at the company quite a bit. |
| 14:01.11 | kergoth | prpplague: source control. what a concept. |
| 14:01.12 | kergoth | ;) |
| 14:01.13 | sorphin | prpplague: yes, you could have |
| 14:01.14 | sorphin | however |
| 14:01.17 | prpplague | kergoth: btdt |
| 14:01.20 | sorphin | that instant gratification |
| 14:01.22 | file[laptop] | kergoth: next step is to get it on CIA |
| 14:01.24 | sorphin | is what does it |
| 14:01.35 | sorphin | file[laptop]: they wouldn't take him |
| 14:01.39 | prpplague | kergoth: let me guess, assorted backups on disk and cd in zip and tar |
| 14:01.40 | sorphin | too shifty ;) |
| 14:01.54 | file[laptop] | pfft |
| 14:02.29 | kergoth | sorphin: file was referring to hooking up the newly created source control to cia.navi.cx :P |
| 14:02.34 | kergoth | prpplague: yup, precisely |
| 14:02.43 | sorphin | ah |
| 14:03.02 | kergoth | on another note, asterisk is awesome. |
| 14:03.09 | prpplague | @#$%@$%@#$% sourceforge |
| 14:03.14 | sorphin | kergoth: file told me you got bit by the bug ;) |
| 14:03.19 | prpplague | elinux.org wiki is fscked again |
| 14:03.20 | kergoth | indeed |
| 14:04.50 | prpplague | kergoth: you gonna use cvs? |
| 14:05.06 | prpplague | kergoth: or svn? |
| 14:05.40 | kergoth | prpplague: svn, already set up, all the sources imported and tagged and emails sent out directing people to the svn book |
| 14:05.48 | kergoth | :) |
| 14:05.56 | prpplague | kergoth: cool |
| 14:06.16 | prpplague | kergoth: sounds like you didn't have to dig for source too much then |
| 14:06.27 | kergoth | file[laptop]: i'm gonna need to keep playing with asterisk.. trying to reconicile all the theoretical knowledge i've picked up from rfcs and things with the reality |
| 14:06.32 | prpplague | kergoth: it took me almost a month to find all the source to get checked in there at aml |
| 14:06.34 | kergoth | file[laptop]: i'm guessing ethereal/tcpdump will be my friend |
| 14:06.38 | file[laptop] | kergoth: yay |
| 14:06.45 | kergoth | hehe |
| 14:06.47 | kergoth | prpplague: ouch |
| 14:07.01 | kergoth | prpplague: they had it all in one dir on a backup drive in the server they were gonna put cvs on |
| 14:07.05 | kergoth | but never did |
| 14:07.13 | prpplague | kergoth: ahh |
| 14:07.16 | file[laptop] | kergoth: if you wanna see the sip conversation for a call you can do sip debug to see all messages, or sip debug ip <ip> for specific ip, or sip debug peer <peer name> for peer... on the Asterisk CLI |
| 14:07.24 | kergoth | file[laptop]: nifty |
| 14:07.54 | file[laptop] | IAX2 doesn't care about NAT, so you shouldn't care about it |
| 14:07.55 | kergoth | file[laptop]: so when i add a sip server to the sip phone, the username/hostname bits, is the sip phone just doing a "register" with the server? |
| 14:08.06 | prpplague | kergoth: aml had dirs like: amlconsole , amlconsole-old, amlconsole-test, amlconsole-a, amlconsole-b, amlconsole-modified, amlconsole-latest |
| 14:08.12 | kergoth | prpplague: haha |
| 14:08.25 | prpplague | and i'm like, wtf, well which one is actually on the device |
| 14:08.31 | file[laptop] | kergoth: it does a register, then when it calls - if the server requests authentication credentials, it uses that info for that too... username and password and realm |
| 14:08.47 | kergoth | cool |
| 14:09.01 | AMDPenguin | morning |
| 14:09.07 | file[laptop] | hi CP |
| 14:09.14 | prpplague | kergoth: glad to hear you back in the game |
| 14:09.44 | kergoth | now if my asterisk were to do a 'register' with, say, FWD, then someoen could call my fwd address and itd connect to my asterisk, where i could set up a dialplan to get that call to me wherever i am? |
| 14:10.00 | kergoth | prpplague: heh, me too, i was going nuts sitting around. antsy |
| 14:10.02 | file[laptop] | exactly |
| 14:10.36 | kergoth | i'm gonna need a real sip phone at some point ;) |
| 14:10.41 | file[laptop] | yes, you are |
| 14:11.03 | file[laptop] | http://www.voipsupply.com/ has an excellent selection |
| 14:11.18 | file[laptop] | from cheap 802.11b SIP phones, to desk SIP phones, to SIP ATAs |
| 14:11.29 | kergoth | nice |
| 14:13.41 | file[laptop] | prpplague: a tin can |
| 14:13.47 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:13.50 | file[laptop] | since that would work better. |
| 14:14.15 | prpplague | file[laptop]: i'm thinking i'm gonna do something like what kergoth was talking about |
| 14:14.30 | prpplague | file[laptop]: just set up an asterisk box where i have broadband and a pots |
| 14:14.45 | prpplague | file[laptop]: then just have incoming calls forwarded |
| 14:15.09 | prpplague | just finding the time to get it all working is the issue |
| 14:15.30 | file[laptop] | well kergoth picked it up lastnight enough that he was able to modify his dialplan to call me :) |
| 14:15.37 | file[laptop] | which is better then a lot of people can do |
| 14:16.11 | kergoth | hehe. theres a lot to it, but it really is pretty intuitive if you jump into it without any preconceptions about how this stuff works |
| 14:16.12 | prpplague | hehe, i could make bad jokes about that |
| 14:16.38 | CosmicPenguin | It seems that time, not knowledge is the barrier to entry |
| 14:16.38 | file[laptop] | prpplague: yeah don't get me started :P |
| 14:17.22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, that seems to be the case most of the time with me |
| 14:27.28 | kergoth | hmm |
| 14:27.31 | kergoth | ~rfc SIP |
| 14:27.42 | kergoth | aw |
| 14:28.16 | file[laptop] | 3261 :P |
| 14:28.21 | kergoth | sorphin: you know much about SNMP? know any good resources on it? |
| 14:28.26 | kergoth | erm, resources to learn about it, that is |
| 14:28.55 | kergoth | sorphin: 802.1q is neat. |
| 14:29.14 | sorphin | kergoth: not right off the top of my head, but i coudl find you some ,and yes, it is |
| 14:29.43 | fishhead | oh what a shame |
| 14:29.49 | fishhead | must be bad karma |
| 14:30.11 | kergoth | k |
| 14:32.41 | sorphin | but that's what happens when you wake up late i guess |
| 14:32.59 | kergoth | hehe |
| 14:33.19 | kergoth | my alarm went off at 7:30, snoozed till 8, got cleaned up, left at 8;30, got here at 9. actually on schedule for once |
| 14:33.37 | jbevren | well apparently you cant share irq's on these ppc boards |
| 14:33.42 | jbevren | network's been fine since I moved the card |
| 14:35.59 | sorphin | caused too many probs on any system i've done it on |
| 14:36.03 | file[laptop] | podcasts are amusing |
| 14:38.55 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: I've played with SNMP a bit |
| 14:39.14 | CosmicPenguin | The RFCs are good - they help you understand WTF |
| 14:39.20 | fishhead | JBE |
| 14:39.27 | fishhead | on pci-express |
| 14:39.33 | fishhead | did they finally do away with the 4 int limit ? |
| 14:40.29 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: one of my consulting gigs was a SNMP monitoring station for printers |
| 14:41.02 | CosmicPenguin | Alerted the printer maintaince company when the thing was out of toner, broken, etc.... |
| 14:44.16 | fishhead | cool |
| 14:44.37 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: any good library for snmp? |
| 14:46.03 | prpplague | does the pxa series have a nand flash controler |
| 14:50.57 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: ah, cool |
| 14:50.59 | kergoth | VFS: Busy inodes after unmount. Self-destruct in 5 seconds. Have a nice day... |
| 14:51.25 | kergoth | at least its friendly |
| 14:51.55 | file[laptop] | ooh nice |
| 14:56.55 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:57.12 | sorphin | thie file[laptop] will self destruct in 5 seconds |
| 14:57.24 | sorphin | s/thie/this/ |
| 14:57.34 | sorphin | ok, my blood sugar's gonna kill me today |
| 14:57.43 | sorphin | or rather |
| 14:57.44 | sorphin | lack of |
| 14:58.30 | file[laptop] | oh no, a dead prpplague! |
| 15:03.03 | prpplague | hehe, elle mcpherson is doing a photoshoot this weekend |
| 15:03.41 | CosmicPenguin | isn't she old? |
| 15:04.22 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: detail ;) |
| 15:05.06 | prpplague | i don't know |
| 15:05.08 | prpplague | is she? |
| 15:05.21 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:05.23 | sorphin | she's old |
| 15:05.28 | sorphin | file[laptop]: thanks |
| 15:06.36 | prpplague | 41 |
| 15:06.51 | prpplague | http://www.askmen.com/imagesmodel/ellemacpherson/elle_macpherson_150c.JPG |
| 15:06.58 | prpplague | still looks pretty good to me |
| 15:10.34 | fishhead | yeah i'd still "canuck" her |
| 15:10.57 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:11.39 | sorphin | prpplague: seen better tho |
| 15:12.39 | sorphin | prpplague: like her sister mimi |
| 15:12.40 | sorphin | :P |
| 15:14.09 | CosmicPenguin | sigh |
| 15:14.20 | CosmicPenguin | I hate it when I open up a code file and see ^M all over the place |
| 15:14.36 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:14.42 | prpplague | time to run dos2unix |
| 15:15.01 | CosmicPenguin | find . -type f -exec dos2unix {} \; |
| 15:15.03 | CosmicPenguin | thats the ticket, baby |
| 15:16.25 | CosmicPenguin | Ok, lets recap |
| 15:16.29 | CosmicPenguin | missed a very important meeting today |
| 15:16.34 | CosmicPenguin | My X2 won't boot |
| 15:16.43 | CosmicPenguin | My office is a mess, again |
| 15:19.07 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:21.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, my office stays a mess |
| 15:21.29 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: and you ran out of crack? :P |
| 15:22.29 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: guess you picked the wrong day to stock sniffing glue |
| 15:22.38 | sorphin | s/stock/stop/ |
| 15:22.48 | prpplague | yea whatever, hehe |
| 15:22.48 | sorphin | prpplague: looks like you picked the wrong day to start ;) |
| 15:23.16 | prpplague | sorphin: i try to type and carry on a phone converstation too often |
| 15:23.21 | sorphin | ah |
| 15:23.41 | prpplague | the plague doesn't multitask |
| 15:24.18 | sorphin | can you walk and chew gum at same time? |
| 15:24.25 | sorphin | pat your head and rub your tummy? |
| 15:24.26 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:24.31 | prpplague | uh no |
| 15:24.56 | prpplague | but i can have sex, drink beer, and watch tv all at the same time |
| 15:32.44 | prpplague | damit everytime i try to update elinux it has problems |
| 15:33.38 | sorphin | prpplague: so start plaguelinux.org |
| 15:34.04 | prpplague | i'm too net lazy |
| 15:34.07 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:34.22 | sorphin | you'd be unlazy ;) |
| 15:35.42 | CosmicPenguin | Wow, I can't believe I missed that meeting |
| 15:35.43 | CosmicPenguin | I suck! |
| 15:35.49 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:35.58 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: attendance prizes? |
| 15:36.08 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, you weren't the one presenting were you? |
| 15:36.17 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: prolly was |
| 15:36.19 | sorphin | hehe |
| 15:45.46 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah, it was slightly important |
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| 15:49.40 | file[laptop] | Tim! |
| 15:52.21 | CosmicPenguin | Heh - did you see on /. I got a new meta boss? :) |
| 15:52.34 | CosmicPenguin | "Now, he will lead the development of all future AMD computing products, including silicon roadmap design across all AMD's engineering sites worldwide |
| 15:52.37 | CosmicPenguin | Thats me! |
| 15:52.37 | prpplague | hehe it working |
| 15:53.44 | prpplague | TimRiker: oh timmy, elinux.org is fscked again |
| 15:54.08 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, i didn't see that |
| 15:54.46 | CosmicPenguin | Probably because you're a well adjusted individual who doesn't have to read slashdot |
| 15:55.52 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:57.31 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.retrothing.com/2005/08/the_imsai_serie.html |
| 15:57.33 | CosmicPenguin | fun |
| 15:58.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, saw that earlier on the #ol channel |
| 15:58.53 | CosmicPenguin | outdoor life? |
| 15:59.01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, omap linux |
| 15:59.01 | CosmicPenguin | old lakeys? |
| 16:00.01 | jbevren | hmm |
| 16:00.07 | jbevren | network stable now that eth0 and eth1 have their own irqs |
| 16:03.00 | fishhead | jbe |
| 16:03.12 | fishhead | what brand nics |
| 16:03.34 | fishhead | err chip |
| 16:04.02 | prpplague | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1932266836/ref=pd_bxgy_img_2/102-6699461-5805751?v=glance&s=books |
| 16:04.05 | prpplague | interesting book |
| 16:05.18 | fishhead | cool |
| 16:05.53 | prpplague | anyone gotten any good texts on reverse engineering? |
| 16:12.25 | jbevren | fishhead eepro100 and onboard eth |
| 16:12.34 | fishhead | eepro is the best |
| 16:12.38 | fishhead | what is the onboard |
| 16:12.41 | jbevren | acenic is the best |
| 16:12.46 | jbevren | has own cpu |
| 16:12.47 | jbevren | :P |
| 16:12.58 | fishhead | well mabye if it's not crap like realtek |
| 16:13.09 | jbevren | realtek doesnt have its own cpu |
| 16:13.12 | jbevren | acenic does :) |
| 16:13.19 | fishhead | I mean for 100mbit not 1gb |
| 16:13.27 | fishhead | I know gb pretty much has to have it's own cpu |
| 16:13.29 | jbevren | my acenic does 100Mbit too :) |
| 16:13.35 | fishhead | well I know that you boob |
| 16:13.44 | jbevren | well, |
| 16:13.45 | fishhead | :P |
| 16:13.46 | jbevren | one of mine does |
| 16:13.48 | jbevren | the other doesnt |
| 16:14.09 | fishhead | I might be getting a free socket370 and socket-a board woot |
| 16:14.16 | fishhead | now I don't have to give my mom that pos c3 800 |
| 16:14.25 | fishhead | assuming I can fix these boards I am getting |
| 16:15.01 | jbevren | DP83815 is eth1 |
| 16:15.04 | jbevren | (onboard) |
| 16:15.09 | fishhead | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:15.22 | fishhead | HAHAHAHA |
| 16:15.24 | fishhead | macphyter |
| 16:15.32 | jbevren | its on the motherboard, I didnt pick it :) |
| 16:15.34 | fishhead | probably why you had irq sharing problems |
| 16:15.39 | jbevren | well, |
| 16:15.47 | fishhead | it was a good design in theroy but it was plagued with bugs :/ |
| 16:15.51 | jbevren | networking works fine for (insert random amount of time here) |
| 16:16.02 | fishhead | hey as long as it works is my motto |
| 16:16.03 | jbevren | I might jump the irq line with a diode for entertainment |
| 16:16.04 | fishhead | :D |
| 16:16.20 | fishhead | that chip |
| 16:16.26 | fishhead | would cause reboots on amd640 boards |
| 16:16.31 | fishhead | or was it 740 |
| 16:16.40 | fishhead | it was athlon I know that amd chipset |
| 16:16.49 | fishhead | oh 760 |
| 16:16.54 | fishhead | it was amd 760 chipset for athlon |
| 16:17.01 | fishhead | netgear fa311 and 312 use that chip |
| 16:17.07 | fishhead | nat semi macphyter |
| 16:17.32 | jbevren | shrug |
| 16:17.36 | jbevren | its my lan i/f atm |
| 16:17.54 | jbevren | I prefer tulips |
| 16:18.03 | fishhead | yeah I have a bunch of tulip clones |
| 16:18.04 | jbevren | but my tulip 1) has 4 NICs on it and 2) isnt a 3v card |
| 16:18.06 | fishhead | they were good |
| 16:18.09 | fishhead | intel probably the best |
| 16:18.12 | fishhead | tulip 2nd |
| 16:18.18 | fishhead | at least for 10/100 |
| 16:18.26 | fishhead | realtek being the worst |
| 16:18.38 | jbevren | yeah, my old dos gamebox (k6/450, scsi) gets 10M/sec using a dos-based packet driver and doslynx |
| 16:18.39 | jbevren | heh |
| 16:18.46 | jbevren | s/10/6/ |
| 16:18.55 | fishhead | yeah I am going to build one of those once I move in the next few days |
| 16:19.01 | fishhead | picking up the new cable modem today |
| 16:19.01 | jbevren | with an eepro |
| 16:19.42 | fishhead | is that that ppc board someone was talking about |
| 16:20.04 | jbevren | might be |
| 16:20.09 | jbevren | :) |
| 16:20.15 | jbevren | a bunch of us got one |
| 16:20.23 | fishhead | http://www.national.com/pf/DP/DP83815.html |
| 16:20.35 | jbevren | I backported/copied the flash physmap driver and set up flash partitions on it |
| 16:20.44 | fishhead | does pci express finally do away with irq sharing |
| 16:21.38 | jbevren | its not the bus |
| 16:21.40 | jbevren | its the wiring |
| 16:21.46 | jbevren | you can wire each slot to its own irq if you so choose |
| 16:21.58 | jbevren | however, devices should support irq sharing regardless |
| 16:22.01 | fishhead | well no it was the bus |
| 16:22.06 | fishhead | pci only had 4 int lines |
| 16:22.12 | jbevren | the slot only had 4. |
| 16:22.20 | jbevren | it was a design consideration to limit the bridge to 4. |
| 16:22.22 | fishhead | or was that artifial line the mb makers set |
| 16:22.22 | jbevren | a bad one. |
| 16:22.42 | jbevren | I remember my macII, which ad 6 slots, one irq per slot |
| 16:22.44 | fishhead | line/limit |
| 16:22.44 | jbevren | :P |
| 16:22.48 | jbevren | yeah I understood |
| 16:22.50 | jbevren | anyway,brb |
| 16:22.51 | fishhead | nice |
| 16:28.53 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:29.07 | sorphin | "AMD Lures IBM Vetran to Lead Chip Design" |
| 16:29.19 | sorphin | s/Vetran/Veteran/ |
| 16:34.18 | jbevren | :) |
| 16:34.19 | jbevren | nodnod |
| 16:38.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hey, guestion |
| 16:38.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: do you guys do any reverse engineering testing of your devices? |
| 16:50.54 | CosmicPenguin | example? |
| 16:52.20 | prpplague | like with the PIC? taking the position that you are a hacker and seeing how far you could go with it |
| 16:53.07 | prpplague | from what i gather, m$ and nintendo now have reverse engineering staff |
| 16:57.12 | jbevren | a group of people that just try to break into devices? |
| 16:57.21 | jbevren | (a-la zipit, wrt-style routers, etc) |
| 16:58.09 | prpplague | jbevren: no, their own devices, i.e. nintendo would have one of them test their new game console to determine what changes need to be made to prevent competitors and hacks from gaining information |
| 16:58.16 | jbevren | yeah |
| 16:58.18 | jbevren | thats what I mean |
| 16:58.38 | jbevren | I imagined linksys having a crew that gets a new device and tries to break into it |
| 16:58.45 | jbevren | (pre-market) |
| 17:00.03 | prpplague | jbevren: ahh ok, missunderstood |
| 17:04.28 | jbevren | nod |
| 17:07.34 | CosmicPenguin | No, we don't have anything like that |
| 17:13.17 | CosmicPenguin | PIC protection is really more concerning to our partners then it is to us |
| 17:15.06 | CosmicPenguin | I guess it would be different if we actually sold platforms, but we don't |
| 17:22.13 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, thats what i figured |
| 17:22.34 | prpplague | TimRiker: hey, gonna have a look at elinux.org when you get a chance? |
| 17:23.24 | CosmicPenguin | quite frankly, I think its my job to make our products as transparent as possible |
| 17:23.58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: agreed |
| 17:24.01 | kergoth | woot, have a computer at work now :P |
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| 17:28.08 | prpplague | ~seen t0mw |
| 17:28.09 | ibot | t0mw <n=Tom@24.152.248.137.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #elinux, 1d 23h 59m 14s ago, saying: 'sorphin: LPC2106 and LPC2138 ARM processors on the board'. |
| 17:45.44 | prpplague | ~dict snog |
| 17:46.13 | prpplague | uh what? |
| 17:46.32 | prpplague | ahh must be slang |
| 17:48.02 | prpplague | pb_: is that a british slang term? |
| 17:54.38 | jbevren | ah |
| 17:54.39 | jbevren | a/k/a |
| 17:54.43 | jbevren | spooning without the sex |
| 17:55.46 | CosmicPenguin | spooning doesn't imply sex |
| 17:56.03 | TimRiker | prpplague: what's up? |
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| 18:07.04 | prpplague | TimRiker: tried to edit JuiceBoxSerial this morning |
| 18:07.12 | prpplague | doh |
| 18:07.17 | prpplague | freakin phone |
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| 18:30.47 | prpplague | argh, i need to ask t0mw some questions |
| 18:40.04 | jbevren | yay still online |
| 18:41.51 | sorphin | jbevren: i could fix that ;) |
| 18:41.56 | jbevren | hehe |
| 18:42.03 | jbevren | promise to only send 6gbit my way? |
| 18:46.27 | kergoth | eep, my new computer at work only has 256 megs of ram! |
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| 18:46.46 | jbevren | Ooo.. the juicebox has all the cpu pads extended? |
| 18:49.55 | sorphin | kergoth: heh |
| 18:50.28 | sorphin | these stupid lenders wanting you to show you ahve 3 months of payments saved |
| 18:51.07 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:51.20 | sorphin | file: unclean! unclean! |
| 18:51.28 | file | yeah too bad :P |
| 18:52.02 | sorphin | file: gonna hack a Gibson? ;) |
| 18:52.14 | file | darn right |
| 18:52.21 | file | first hack my cellphone and make it work with my Powerbook |
| 18:52.42 | sorphin | file: don't forget the 4 most commonly used passwords |
| 18:52.44 | sorphin | ;) |
| 18:53.57 | file | I'm trying to get an internet connection, over Bluetooth, through it... |
| 18:54.03 | sorphin | heh |
| 18:54.15 | file | it can be done |
| 18:54.19 | file | it's jut very picky |
| 18:59.46 | file | ooh newer bluetooth stack |
| 19:00.43 | file | 3900 versus my 3500, it MUST be better! |
| 19:02.36 | file | whenever I do that it makes the today screen go funky, very very funky |
| 19:04.31 | file | *sigh* nothing |
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| 19:05.47 | file | Motorola bastards, won't let me get the 6.xx firmware for this router |
| 19:30.52 | CosmicPenguin | ~quote amd |
| 19:33.21 | TimRiker | ~librie |
| 19:33.58 | TimRiker | anyone played with a sony librie? http://www.dynamism.com/librie/gallery.shtml |
| 19:34.41 | file | TimRiker: O.o |
| 19:35.47 | CosmicPenguin | I think I read about it on Gizmodo a while back |
| 19:36.00 | CosmicPenguin | Is it only available in Japan |
| 19:36.00 | CosmicPenguin | ? |
| 19:37.25 | TimRiker | Yeah. I just got a hold of one that won't boot. |
| 19:38.14 | TimRiker | e-ink display is cool. everything is in japanese. I think it's a coldfire running linux. (uclinux?) but I have no idea how to get into the thing yet. |
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| 19:39.50 | CosmicPenguin | You'll get it.. :) |
| 19:49.02 | CosmicPenguin | http://thisplaceisazoo.com/products/penguin-marine.html |
| 19:49.03 | CosmicPenguin | Heh |
| 19:49.13 | CosmicPenguin | we have a tradition of naming new Linux servers after the latin names for penguins |
| 19:49.26 | CosmicPenguin | and we try to find a stuffed penguin to sit on the server |
| 19:49.43 | file[laptop] | geek |
| 19:49.49 | CosmicPenguin | A guy here just found that website - in case anyone else has that tradition |
| 19:50.24 | CosmicPenguin | I'm considering buying the 30" penguin for S&G |
| 19:59.09 | sorphin | timmy the 133+ h4x0r can get in it :) |
| 19:59.11 | Crofton | um plushies |
| 19:59.49 | sorphin | was gonna get it for missy |
| 19:59.52 | sorphin | now i cant' find it again |
| 20:00.59 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: that's a penguin, but it's not a tux |
| 20:03.28 | CosmicPenguin | right |
| 20:03.34 | CosmicPenguin | but I collect pengins that are not nessesarly tux |
| 20:04.16 | CosmicPenguin | Thats how our tradition started - I had a emperor penguin plush, and when I got my first opteron, it was a logical fit |
| 20:04.28 | sorphin | ah |
| 20:04.29 | CosmicPenguin | and my faithful forsteri has guarded his server ever since |
| 20:05.29 | kergoth | aw, nobody in #netfilter answered my question |
| 20:05.30 | kergoth | bastards |
| 20:06.26 | sorphin | heh |
| 20:06.34 | sorphin | kergoth: as you would say |
| 20:06.36 | sorphin | RTFM ;) |
| 20:06.53 | file[laptop] | mmm... Opteron |
| 20:07.13 | sorphin | file[laptop]: shaddup, n0 operton 4 j00 |
| 20:07.28 | file[laptop] | not true, we have an opteron at work... only three of us have access |
| 20:07.38 | sorphin | heh |
| 20:07.46 | kergoth | sorphin, heh, the question i have isnt in an FM :P |
| 20:07.46 | sorphin | only old hw :( |
| 20:07.47 | file[laptop] | dual 246 |
| 20:07.56 | sorphin | file[laptop]: i hate you |
| 20:07.58 | jbevren | yeah well I have a T3E |
| 20:08.07 | jbevren | with 42 cpu's |
| 20:08.09 | jbevren | hehe |
| 20:08.18 | file[laptop] | jbevren: I live on the moon, beat that! |
| 20:08.52 | sorphin | file[laptop]: no you don't you live in uranus :P |
| 20:09.00 | file[laptop] | HA |
| 20:09.40 | CosmicPenguin | not ha |
| 20:09.42 | CosmicPenguin | that wasn't funny |
| 20:10.31 | sorphin | yes it was :P |
| 20:10.41 | CosmicPenguin | no, no it wasn't |
| 20:10.44 | CosmicPenguin | you are not a funny man |
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| 20:18.30 | CosmicPenguin | Well, bummer |
| 20:19.43 | CosmicPenguin | I thought I did something to speed up this driver, but instead I sloed it down by about 17% |
| 20:20.10 | kergoth | damnit |
| 20:20.18 | kergoth | usb-storage is still flaky. not as bad as it used to be though |
| 20:20.25 | kergoth | current kernels have definately improved in that regard |
| 20:21.48 | prpplague | T0mW: ping |
| 20:22.00 | sorphin | it'll never be as reliable as it should be unfortunately |
| 20:26.06 | CosmicPenguin | removable media under linux is a major liability |
| 20:30.19 | prpplague | where is that old fart when you need him |
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| 20:32.20 | prpplague | T0mW: http://tinyurl.com/7lg5p |
| 20:32.41 | prpplague | T0mW: well crap that didn't work |
| 20:33.02 | prpplague | T0mW: http://www.nevora.co.kr/bbs/view.php?id=notice&no=13 |
| 20:33.12 | prpplague | T0mW: there is a schematic on that page for download |
| 20:33.24 | prpplague | T0mW: pong me when you are available |
| 20:33.32 | prpplague | T0mW: got a hardware question for ya |
| 20:36.45 | CosmicPenguin | pepsi isn't nearly as tasty as it used to be |
| 20:36.49 | CosmicPenguin | I wonder what that is |
| 20:36.55 | CosmicPenguin | s/what/why/ |
| 20:41.43 | T0mW | prpplague: I'm here, was on the phone |
| 20:42.10 | jbevren | hehe |
| 20:42.17 | jbevren | I have troubles reading things on crt's |
| 20:42.34 | MonMotha | you just need a higher res, higher refresh (aka "better") CRT |
| 20:42.41 | jbevren | yeah |
| 20:42.45 | jbevren | I have an old Iiyama |
| 20:42.45 | sorphin | jbevren: well, doesn't matter if it's crt or lcd, i have to zoom in too far to see the small crap on this thing |
| 20:42.52 | jbevren | I used to do 1600x1200@120hz on it |
| 20:42.55 | MonMotha | I've got a 17" that I run at 1280x960@85Hz. It's not bad |
| 20:43.03 | jbevren | sorphin: gooood point |
| 20:43.18 | MonMotha | I've got another 17 that I run at 1600x1200@85, which is great in Linux, but sucks in windows since it's DPI setting is so fscked up |
| 20:43.37 | MonMotha | I find that anything over about 80 is overkill for my eyes |
| 20:43.45 | jbevren | hehe |
| 20:43.56 | jbevren | it was a genital-length thing |
| 20:44.14 | sorphin | heh |
| 20:44.51 | jbevren | I run 60hz (lcd) and 72hz (oooooold digital 19" crt displays at $10 each) |
| 20:45.15 | jbevren | got a pair at goodwill for $20 :) |
| 20:45.25 | jbevren | used 'em at my old employer for a couple years |
| 20:45.37 | jbevren | I loved it cause you couldnt see the text screen to mess with my bootloader |
| 20:45.40 | prpplague | T0mW: hey |
| 20:45.50 | prpplague | T0mW: you get that schematic |
| 20:45.52 | prpplague | T0mW: ? |
| 20:46.02 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah, but, I'm not sure if I can read it. |
| 20:46.11 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe, why? |
| 20:46.18 | prpplague | T0mW: should include a pdf |
| 20:46.30 | T0mW | yeah, does |
| 20:47.04 | T0mW | prpplague: got it |
| 20:47.14 | prpplague | T0mW: ok thats a ref design for a thumbdrive |
| 20:47.23 | T0mW | ha |
| 20:47.33 | prpplague | T0mW: ok, now here is the thing |
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| 20:47.53 | jbevren | re kergoth |
| 20:48.01 | prpplague | T0mW: i want to connect the nand flash chip to another device, and leave the usb portion still attached |
| 20:48.12 | prpplague | T0mW: my concerned is contention on the lines |
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| 20:48.44 | T0mW | prpplague: from what I can tell, they are using the flash in memory mapped mode |
| 20:49.01 | T0mW | prpplague: IDE registers mapped into memory space |
| 20:49.02 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, its a serial interface |
| 20:49.17 | T0mW | prpplague: beyond that, on the flash itself |
| 20:49.22 | kergoth | whee. |
| 20:49.30 | prpplague | T0mW: 8 data lines and then control lines |
| 20:49.58 | prpplague | kergoth: re |
| 20:50.35 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah |
| 20:51.04 | prpplague | T0mW: am i gonna have to cut all the data lines and such? or is simply cutting the Vdd to the usb portion ok? |
| 20:55.04 | T0mW | prpplague: what do you want to do? take one of those unit, remove / disable the flash chip, then tack solder signals to another device (flash)? |
| 20:56.14 | prpplague | T0mW: i want to use the flash chip in another device, i don't want to desolder the flash chip, so i'm adding a connector so its detactable from the device |
| 20:56.19 | T0mW | prpplague: you can disable device marked as U2 by cutting loose pins 9 & 10 and tying them high |
| 20:56.31 | prpplague | T0mW: but i'd like to leave the usb interface port working so i can program the flash froma pc |
| 20:57.20 | prpplague | T0mW: i want to go the other way |
| 20:57.30 | prpplague | T0mW: i want to be able to disable the usb chip |
| 20:57.38 | T0mW | prpplague: oh |
| 20:57.51 | sorphin | t0mmy has on his backwards glasses ;) |
| 20:58.05 | T0mW | prpplague: hold it in reset |
| 20:58.20 | prpplague | T0mW: thats safe? |
| 20:58.28 | sorphin | why woudlnt' it be |
| 20:58.29 | T0mW | prpplague: typically, a processor will float it's i/o lines during reset. |
| 20:58.41 | sorphin | it's like holding down the reset button on your peecee |
| 20:58.49 | sorphin | it's not hurting it, it's just supending it |
| 20:58.53 | sorphin | suspending even |
| 20:59.05 | prpplague | interesting |
| 20:59.34 | T0mW | prpplague: if you have a datasheet on that processor, verify that the i/o is tri-stated. Or, just hold down the reset and check with a scope |
| 20:59.53 | prpplague | T0mW: yea i have the datasheet, i'll look |
| 21:00.09 | prpplague | T0mW: so pull the resetj to ground? |
| 21:00.20 | T0mW | prpplague: typically, I/O port pins default to input when coming out of reset, it is conventionally done that way |
| 21:01.09 | sorphin | hmm.. no ken today |
| 21:01.52 | sorphin | strange that the reset button stops working then |
| 21:01.53 | sorphin | heh |
| 21:01.54 | T0mW | prpplague: don't assume the schematic is correct, it suggests that RESET is an active high. but, lookup the datasheet on the U3 device to see what the operation of VOUT is. |
| 21:03.21 | prpplague | T0mW: hmm, the datasheet on U1 is vague as to the reset values |
| 21:03.59 | prpplague | T0mW: resetj is active low |
| 21:04.00 | T0mW | http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=2&url=http%3A//www.torex-usa.com/product/pro01/pdf/0102_xc61c_typ.pdf&ei=DUkGQ_KqFp7e-AG1guzpDg |
| 21:05.25 | T0mW | prpplague: looks like reset is actually an active low |
| 21:05.46 | prpplague | T0mW: right |
| 21:06.10 | T0mW | the xc61cc2702 looks to be a power supply monitor, holds VOUT low if power supply is out of tolerance |
| 21:06.29 | T0mW | prpplague: so, tie that pin to ground. |
| 21:07.17 | prpplague | T0mW: ok so the question is by tie'n that to ground will i over draw current on the u3? |
| 21:07.42 | T0mW | prpplague: you have clip / cut the pin on the XC61cc2702 device (VOUT), then tie the RESET line of the CPU to ground. |
| 21:07.43 | prpplague | T0mW: should i pull it low with something like a 100k ohm resistor? |
| 21:08.03 | prpplague | T0mW: ahh gotcha |
| 21:08.04 | T0mW | The XC61CC2702 is a totem pole output (push / pull driver) |
| 21:08.12 | T0mW | The XC61CC2702N is a totem pole output (push / pull driver) |
| 21:08.16 | prpplague | T0mW: yea i think i can trace that down |
| 21:08.26 | T0mW | prpplague: have fun! :) |
| 21:08.41 | prpplague | T0mW: thanks for the help |
| 21:09.22 | T0mW | prpplague: if you simply grounded that reset line, you would get the same result, but then you would probably fry the XC61CC2702 output making the thing useless in the future. |
| 21:09.42 | prpplague | T0mW: what i'll do is is add a little switch, so i can go back and forth |
| 21:10.38 | prpplague | T0mW: would be awesome if this works without a problem |
| 21:11.09 | T0mW | prpplague: I would put something like a 1K in series between the CPU and XC61CC2702 output, that way all you have to do is ground the reset at the CPU side. |
| 21:11.21 | T0mW | prpplague: that reset device can drive @ 50ma |
| 21:11.35 | T0mW | max current |
| 21:12.10 | T0mW | you could prolly get away with a 10K resistor as the input to the CPU reset is prolly on the order of 100ua |
| 21:13.20 | T0mW | ;-) |
| 21:13.23 | CosmicPenguin | Is that his phone number under "total"? :) |
| 21:13.39 | T0mW | naw, Donna's |
| 21:13.41 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe |
| 21:14.41 | T0mW | prpplague: I got a contract + down payment coming for that LCP21xx system. |
| 21:14.59 | T0mW | prpplague: I also got a quote for a BDI-2000 |
| 21:15.25 | prpplague | T0mW: lovely |
| 21:15.28 | prpplague | T0mW: congrads |
| 21:15.31 | T0mW | prpplague: I can breathe now, I have money coming! |
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| 21:15.41 | kergoth | woot, money |
| 21:15.48 | T0mW | kergoth: ssssh |
| 21:16.04 | kergoth | money, how i've missed thee |
| 21:16.12 | T0mW | kergoth: yeah, panic subsiding |
| 21:16.45 | T0mW | kergoth: I had my spot next to the resturant dumpster all picked out |
| 21:16.56 | kergoth | weird thing is, now that i'm employed, _now_ i'm finally getting the tax refunds that i filed weeks ago, and the $900 i'm getting from TI as my reimbursement for my '03 OLS hotel, etc |
| 21:17.06 | kergoth | everything is all good now. at least until everything goes to shit again. |
| 21:17.07 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:17.35 | T0mW | kergoth: 10% of whatever I take in goes into savings... |
| 21:17.41 | kergoth | good policy |
| 21:17.54 | jbevren | how about my policy |
| 21:17.56 | jbevren | dont spend money |
| 21:17.57 | jbevren | :) |
| 21:18.02 | kergoth | pfft |
| 21:18.05 | jbevren | hehe |
| 21:18.07 | T0mW | jbevren: you gotta have it to spend it |
| 21:18.07 | jbevren | its working so far |
| 21:18.12 | jbevren | T0mW: too true |
| 21:18.16 | kergoth | i was about to lose my car |
| 21:18.32 | T0mW | kergoth: three months behind on the rent here |
| 21:18.35 | jbevren | this is why I dont buy what I cant pay for up front |
| 21:18.36 | kergoth | ouch |
| 21:18.39 | jbevren | ow :( |
| 21:18.53 | kergoth | i -love- my car. losing it would suck ass. |
| 21:18.55 | T0mW | kergoth: I've been here 10 years, they cut me slack when times get hard. |
| 21:18.59 | jbevren | I'd say time for a hardees job, but that probably wont help |
| 21:19.07 | kergoth | T0mW, ah nice |
| 21:19.10 | CosmicPenguin | T0mW: heh - I have a BDI-2000 on the way... :) |
| 21:19.11 | T0mW | jbevren: naw, paint houses, more money |
| 21:19.24 | jbevren | T0mW: that'll teach ya to be dedicated |
| 21:19.25 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: good, we can compare notes then |
| 21:19.38 | jbevren | whats a bdi2000? |
| 21:19.38 | jbevren | :) |
| 21:19.42 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: you gonna use gdb? |
| 21:19.57 | T0mW | jbevren: JTAG probe, high end unit |
| 21:20.00 | prpplague | T0mW: if i just removed u2, i could just have a switch to connect between 3.3v and ground right? |
| 21:20.22 | kergoth | we had a bdi or two at ti. pretty good devices |
| 21:20.26 | kergoth | i liked our lauderbachs |
| 21:20.29 | CosmicPenguin | T0mW: I hope so |
| 21:20.30 | T0mW | jbevren: it uses a TCP ethernet connect to the development box to control the ARM / PPC target |
| 21:20.35 | CosmicPenguin | T0mW: thats what I'm most comfortable with |
| 21:20.50 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: yeah, me too, gdb rocks |
| 21:21.05 | CosmicPenguin | We use it on our MIPS platforms, and I'm hoping to extend it to the Geode too |
| 21:21.16 | prpplague | T0mW: sorry i meant u3 |
| 21:21.21 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: oh?! AMD is going JTAG? |
| 21:21.39 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: that would be a good thing! |
| 21:21.44 | prpplague | T0mW: if i remove u3, i can just control the reset with either short to ground or 3.3v |
| 21:21.52 | T0mW | prpplague: right |
| 21:21.59 | jbevren | ahh nice |
| 21:22.04 | CosmicPenguin | T0mW: we've always been JTAG, we just haven't been enforcing it... :) |
| 21:22.05 | jbevren | Ive seen these (but not in operation) |
| 21:22.09 | prpplague | T0mW: lovely that would be easier |
| 21:22.14 | prpplague | T0mW: thanks for the help again |
| 21:22.16 | prpplague | later folks |
| 21:22.18 | CosmicPenguin | We've been using the FS2 boxes for so long, that everybody just forgot that the JTAG pins were on there |
| 21:22.24 | T0mW | prpplague: be sure to put a 0.1uf cap on the reset line though, you want to keep reset clean |
| 21:27.14 | T0mW | kergoth: that lauderbach unit is a traditional ICE, not a JTAG unit? correct? |
| 21:28.52 | T0mW | kergoth: I've always had headaches with the wiring on an ICE |
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| 22:44.26 | sorphin | it's days like this i wonder why i got married |
| 22:45.18 | CosmicPenguin | ouch |
| 23:19.45 | CosmicPenguin | Expense reports suck |
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