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| 00:45.04 | sorphin | sjhill: sup lackey |
| 00:45.42 | chouimat | hi sjhill sorphin |
| 00:46.45 | sorphin | chouimat: lo |
| 00:48.44 | sjhill | hey guys |
| 00:49.25 | sorphin | sjhill: MIPS MIPS EVERYWHERE! |
| 00:50.44 | sjhill | yeah, another board from Alchemy on its way |
| 00:50.46 | sjhill | yay |
| 00:51.00 | sorphin | :-P |
| 00:51.06 | sorphin | must be nice |
| 00:51.17 | sjhill | not really, i don't have time for it right now :/ |
| 00:53.15 | sorphin | send em here then, i'll be a mips lackey for hardware, hell |
| 00:53.22 | sjhill | heh |
| 00:53.41 | sorphin | better than what i do now :P |
| 00:54.15 | sjhill | whatcha' drawin'? |
| 00:54.24 | sorphin | heh |
| 00:54.31 | chouimat | sjhill: simple layout diagram for my presentation |
| 00:54.35 | sjhill | ah |
| 00:54.41 | sjhill | yeah, Dia sucks rocks |
| 00:55.35 | chouimat | I could use kivio but it's overkill for the stuff I want to make ... |
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| 01:31.05 | chouimat | http://qdb.us/45632 <- ROFTLMAO |
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| 01:32.47 | juri_ | anyone here compiled a kernel for a toshiba E series? |
| 01:33.22 | juri_ | the kernel i've compiled is hard-locking after a printing a debugging message.. |
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| 01:36.24 | Genesis | lo |
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| 02:56.43 | fishhead | what's the country prpp lives in again ? |
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| 05:21.10 | fishhead | http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/277/27767.html <--- that is so cool hahahaha |
| 05:27.35 | Russ | bah, hp48gx was always betting for coding stuff |
| 05:28.42 | Genesis | ++ |
| 05:31.01 | Russ | does the 82/83 have a c compiler? |
| 05:45.32 | cdm | 82/83? |
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| 08:01.29 | Russ | ti |
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| 08:26.10 | work | Hi every one |
| 08:27.41 | work | I am new to this field |
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| 08:28.47 | work | I am trying to write a board support routine. Can any one know where godd meterial is available |
| 08:29.31 | work | Board is radstone ppc7a linux is not supporting this board |
| 08:31.36 | work | Is there any similar board which Linux is supporting |
| 08:33.30 | work | Any suggestions |
| 08:37.00 | work | Thnku elinux |
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| 12:53.37 | sorphin | prpplague: morning islander |
| 12:57.16 | prpplague | morning |
| 13:00.21 | prpplague | sorphin: yea if i don't take care of it right away it turns into a migraine |
| 13:00.32 | sorphin | yeah |
| 13:00.56 | sorphin | doh |
| 13:01.09 | prpplague | i have about 10 projects that are 98% done and i can't seem to finish the 2% on any of them |
| 13:01.49 | prpplague | hehe, when i get this many work and personal things to do, my brain just starts shuting down |
| 13:02.05 | sorphin | prpplague: give it more beer ;) |
| 13:02.32 | prpplague | i usually work pretty hard to keep from getting into this situations, but this one sneaked up on me |
| 13:02.34 | sorphin | prpplague: remember "beer is the answer to all of life's problems" ;) |
| 13:02.50 | sorphin | usually does |
| 13:02.55 | prpplague | hehe |
| 13:03.02 | prpplague | is there a new virus out? |
| 13:03.07 | prpplague | for blows? |
| 13:03.31 | sorphin | there's a new virus out every day dude |
| 13:04.31 | prpplague | sorphin: well my email has been bombarded with messages titled corunga |
| 13:04.42 | sorphin | ah |
| 13:06.25 | prpplague | sorphin: hehe, the only real thing i hate about living here, is that there is no one to talk linux/oss with |
| 13:07.00 | sorphin | prpplague: that tends to happen when you become an export to some island ;) |
| 13:07.38 | pb_ | hi plague |
| 13:07.39 | pb_ | hi sorphin |
| 13:08.45 | sorphin | pb_: wotcher pb_ |
| 13:10.05 | prpplague | pb_: morning |
| 13:11.09 | prpplague | pb_: hey, got a sec for a arm asm question |
| 13:12.36 | pb_ | sure |
| 13:13.11 | prpplague | pb_: "bx r0" where "r0 =590000" |
| 13:13.31 | prpplague | pb_: whats that gonna do? |
| 13:13.42 | pb_ | bx is a branch, so it will jump to 590000 and switch to ARM state. |
| 13:14.25 | jbevren | thumb -> arm? (sorry for butting in) |
| 13:14.38 | pb_ | indeed |
| 13:14.42 | jbevren | I see. :) |
| 13:14.56 | prpplague | hmm |
| 13:17.01 | prpplague | odd indeed, as i can find any code at 0x590000 |
| 13:17.08 | prpplague | s/can/can't |
| 13:17.31 | jbevren | funny, I read as 'I cant find' without the correction :D |
| 13:18.28 | prpplague | jbevren: yea, i do that alot as well |
| 13:18.46 | prpplague | jbevren: /. had an article about that awhile back |
| 13:21.30 | jbevren | breakfast of champions; M&Ms and doritos |
| 13:21.41 | jbevren | I really need to eat better :) |
| 13:21.54 | prpplague | jbevren: guinness and corn flakes |
| 13:24.48 | jbevren | that's got to be better than my chips and candy |
| 13:24.50 | jbevren | heh |
| 13:30.37 | jbevren | ow :) |
| 13:32.35 | prpplague | sorphin: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8582699753.html |
| 13:36.10 | jbevren | cute :) |
| 13:36.53 | Jacmet | but pretty expensive for what you get |
| 13:36.59 | Jacmet | E.G. compared to a NSLU2 |
| 13:37.02 | jbevren | yeah, needs more flash for sure |
| 13:38.14 | jbevren | I also wonder what uses 5M ram in it (ramdisk?) |
| 13:53.49 | prpplague | sorphin: interesting, i saw one of these planes landing here in barbados this morning - http://www.nogravity.com/ |
| 13:56.30 | prpplague | 27minutes for 3megs |
| 13:58.17 | jbevren | I guess it beats tossing a brick :) |
| 14:00.22 | prpplague | jbevren: ? |
| 14:00.40 | jbevren | recovering a dead (bricked) appliance by flashing with jtag (?) |
| 14:00.59 | prpplague | oh, no, i'm dumping a rom from a device so i can reverse engineer it |
| 14:01.07 | jbevren | ohhh |
| 14:02.17 | prpplague | jbevren: if i was gonna debrick something, i'd just dl a small app to ram that would dl the rest of the application to flash via something like a sd/mmc card or rd-232 |
| 14:02.20 | prpplague | rs-232 |
| 14:03.21 | prpplague | wahoooooo - http://www.nationnews.com/story/283914401172479.php |
| 14:03.38 | jbevren | prpplague: that had passed my mind, so I was wondering why you were sending 3megs :) |
| 14:03.59 | jbevren | thus my shutting-upping :) |
| 14:04.12 | jbevren | Oo barbados |
| 14:04.16 | jbevren | broadband in barbados? :) |
| 14:04.21 | jbevren | <- remote sysadmin, highly mobile |
| 14:04.59 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe, yea, i should know, i live in barbados |
| 14:06.09 | jbevren | ahh |
| 14:06.10 | jbevren | :) |
| 14:10.08 | jbevren | I might escape southward for a while this winter |
| 14:10.08 | jbevren | heh |
| 14:10.40 | prpplague | jbevren: any place specific? |
| 14:11.25 | prpplague | (including cuba) |
| 14:11.51 | jbevren | dunno |
| 14:11.57 | jbevren | honestly, Ive never left the USA |
| 14:12.12 | jbevren | I grew up as a poor kid |
| 14:12.13 | jbevren | hehe |
| 14:12.28 | jbevren | so when I went to the east coast it was like another country (we never travelled) |
| 14:12.35 | prpplague | ahh |
| 14:12.37 | jbevren | hehe |
| 14:12.55 | prpplague | i always made sure i had a job where i travelled |
| 14:13.05 | jbevren | ah |
| 14:13.26 | jbevren | I was stupid in college and dropped out, so it took me ages to get into a good job |
| 14:13.41 | jbevren | years of self-study paid off though :) |
| 14:13.48 | prpplague | btdt |
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| 14:21.48 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ho ho ho |
| 14:26.21 | CosmicPenguin | Morning |
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| 14:46.57 | Genesis | bonjour |
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| 14:52.35 | CosmicPenguin | Heh |
| 14:52.41 | CosmicPenguin | quote of the week from our technical marketing guy |
| 14:52.50 | CosmicPenguin | that Erik (andersee) is a smart fu*king dude |
| 14:52.57 | prpplague | HA |
| 14:54.28 | prpplague | cbrake: hey if you talk to cole, tell him to drop into the channel, curious how far he got with the juicebox |
| 14:54.38 | Genesis | is thre someone who have post a news on slashdot ? |
| 14:55.04 | Genesis | ( for experience feedback ) |
| 14:55.06 | prpplague | Genesis: most of the people here have a bad attitude towards slashdot |
| 14:55.12 | Genesis | ho |
| 14:55.16 | Genesis | why ? |
| 14:55.42 | Genesis | ( i don't read often , i'm french and prefer the french boards ) |
| 14:56.05 | prpplague | Genesis: too many trolls and often very rude behavior |
| 14:56.12 | CosmicPenguin | You know those guys who show up to school, and they turn into communists their freshmen year, and then about their senior year they turn back into business types? |
| 14:56.46 | CosmicPenguin | Thats slashdot |
| 14:56.48 | Genesis | what does it mean for you "communist" CosmicPenguin ? |
| 14:57.01 | CosmicPenguin | s/communists/socialists/ |
| 14:57.07 | CosmicPenguin | sorry, poor terminology |
| 14:57.43 | Genesis | socialist as american socialist or real socialist ? |
| 14:58.08 | prpplague | wasn't aware that american and socialist belong together, hehe |
| 14:58.24 | Genesis | so :-) |
| 14:59.42 | prpplague | pb_: i dumped the contents at 0x590000 but and disassembled it, but it looks to be giberish |
| 15:00.16 | Genesis | nevermind slashdot is a shit stuff or not , i just want to post a news for a GPL project , and i think it's a very read board |
| 15:00.35 | prpplague | Genesis: embedded project? |
| 15:00.39 | Genesis | GPL replacement for orkut , written by a friend of mine |
| 15:00.45 | prpplague | ahh |
| 15:00.48 | Genesis | not , i stop to speak about that here |
| 15:00.50 | Genesis | scuse me |
| 15:00.51 | pb_ | prpplague: that's unfortunate. are you sure your r0 value was right? |
| 15:02.29 | prpplague | pb_: the previous line was: ldr r0,[pc,#fffffe50] |
| 15:02.43 | prpplague | pb_: which correspondes to the location 0xa0 |
| 15:02.52 | prpplague | pb_: which has the value 590000 |
| 15:02.58 | samrobb | Genesis: Try winding up your article post with something like this... |
| 15:03.16 | pb_ | prpplague: hm, right. |
| 15:03.23 | pb_ | did you remember to take into account the +8 pc offset? |
| 15:03.28 | samrobb | Genesis: "Does this signal the end of Google as Open Source takes over its functionality?" |
| 15:03.47 | Genesis | i think about "Close orkut , open .node" |
| 15:04.05 | samrobb | Mention of Google + mention of Open Source + ridiculous question = good chance of article being accepted |
| 15:04.06 | prpplague | pb_: uh, no, i was just using the values the objdump noted |
| 15:04.07 | Genesis | dotnode.com if you're interessted in a full GPL very good board for social networking |
| 15:04.25 | prpplague | pb_: so it should be 0xa0 +8 ? |
| 15:04.31 | pb_ | prpplague: whenever an instruction refers to "pc", the value it will see will be the address of that instruction plus eight. |
| 15:05.07 | Genesis | hihi samrobb oki :) |
| 15:05.10 | pb_ | so, for example, "bx pc" would not be an infinite loop; rather, it would skip the next instruction and branch to the one after. |
| 15:05.45 | samrobb | :-) |
| 15:05.51 | prpplague | pb_: right, but when using objdump and it markes the values as a comment on the side |
| 15:06.05 | pb_ | oh, right. objdump probably gets it right. |
| 15:06.06 | prpplague | pb_: i still need to take the extra 8 into account? |
| 15:06.12 | prpplague | pb_: ahh ok |
| 15:06.17 | pb_ | no, I think objdump already factors it in |
| 15:06.25 | prpplague | ok |
| 15:06.27 | pb_ | I forgot that it calculated the destination address for you like that |
| 15:06.58 | prpplague | yea, i'm not very strong in arm asm |
| 15:07.44 | juri_ | hmm. i'm having some trouble with a newly compiled kernel on a toshiba E740, do either of you have one of those? |
| 15:07.56 | juri_ | (handhelds.org CVS circa last friday) |
| 15:08.08 | pb_ | not me, sorry |
| 15:08.13 | prpplague | juri_: no, probably get more help on the hh.o channel |
| 15:08.14 | pb_ | I recommend you ask in #handhelds.org |
| 15:08.27 | juri_ | thanks. ;) |
| 15:11.45 | prpplague | pb_: objdump should disassebly thumb and arm in the same code right? |
| 15:12.10 | pb_ | not with a raw binary |
| 15:12.22 | prpplague | ahh |
| 15:12.29 | pb_ | it can do that with ELF, but it needs the symbol information to figure out which bits are arm and which are thumb |
| 15:13.25 | prpplague | pb_: so i bet the code at 590000 is thumb |
| 15:13.41 | pb_ | prpplague: possibly, but in that case I would have expected the address to be 590001. |
| 15:14.03 | pb_ | bx uses the low bit to decide whether it is meant to switch to arm-state or thumb-state. |
| 15:14.55 | prpplague | pb_: ok so bx is thumb command right? if so then i'm starting with thumb and switching to arm |
| 15:14.58 | prpplague | pb_: right? |
| 15:15.13 | pb_ | bx exists in both thumb and arm state |
| 15:15.17 | prpplague | pb_: ahh |
| 15:15.45 | pb_ | if objdump is showing you 32-bit opcodes, you are in arm state. if it is showing you 16 bit opcodes, you are in thumb state. |
| 15:21.27 | prpplague | pb_: yea i checked several commands and they appear to be thumb |
| 15:21.42 | prpplague | pb_: so that means the code at 590000 is probably ARM |
| 15:22.08 | prpplague | pb_: and its being disassembled as thumb which produces the giberish |
| 15:22.37 | prpplague | pb_: i suppose i code dd of just the contents from 590000 on and use objdump on it right? |
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| 15:29.21 | pb_ | right |
| 15:33.13 | prpplague | pb_: hmm, objdump gave me the same |
| 15:33.30 | prpplague | pb_: do i need to specify something to objdump to force arm |
| 15:34.04 | pb_ | normally it should default to ARM |
| 15:34.09 | pb_ | what exactly is it outputting? |
| 15:35.43 | prpplague | short paste |
| 15:35.44 | prpplague | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:35.44 | prpplague | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:35.44 | prpplague | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:35.44 | prpplague | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:35.44 | prpplague | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:35.46 | prpplague | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:35.48 | prpplague | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:42.45 | pb_ | those are arm instructions, not thumb |
| 15:42.53 | pb_ | or, rather, it's disassembling it as arm |
| 15:43.39 | pb_ | if you suspect the code might be thumb, try with -M force-thumb |
| 15:46.16 | prpplague | pb_: question is what does the processor start up in |
| 15:46.33 | pb_ | arm |
| 15:47.49 | prpplague | pb_: does that small bit of code make any sense to you? |
| 15:48.33 | pb_ | as disassembled, no, it's garbage |
| 15:49.18 | prpplague | pb_: yea the force-thumb provides much more readable code |
| 15:50.12 | pb_ | ah right |
| 15:51.58 | prpplague | pb_: or atleast it looks better, no undefined's |
| 15:52.21 | prpplague | pb_: question though is about the bx, should still be in arm since bit 0 of r0 is 0 |
| 15:53.08 | pb_ | yes, that is odd |
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| 16:11.26 | prpplague | pb_: there has got to be something i'm missing |
| 16:21.32 | Genesis | bonne soirée |
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| 16:40.46 | prpplague | pb_: i'm wondering if i'm not having problems with my jtag app |
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| 17:31.40 | CosmicPenguin | I just quoted Larson's First law of Open source in an e-mail |
| 17:32.42 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 17:32.51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm not familiar with that one |
| 17:37.02 | sorphin | RTFM? |
| 17:39.05 | CosmicPenguin | ibot knows |
| 17:39.13 | CosmicPenguin | ~larson's rule #1 of open source |
| 17:39.13 | ibot | One must reach the level of sufficient annoyance in order to overcome a developer's laziness and thereby cause productivity. Or it must be a really cool hack. |
| 17:39.31 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:39.34 | prpplague | yep |
| 17:39.42 | prpplague | is there more? |
| 17:40.07 | CosmicPenguin | I don't think so |
| 17:42.32 | CosmicPenguin | wow |
| 17:42.34 | CosmicPenguin | my office is a mess |
| 17:44.19 | prpplague | mine too |
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| 17:51.23 | CosmicPenguin | Even my desktop is a mess |
| 17:52.52 | CosmicPenguin | http://home.comcast.net/~fbui/scrunchy.html |
| 17:53.07 | CosmicPenguin | horrible name though |
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| 18:00.03 | CosmicPenguin | Wow, its been a while since I've written schemas |
| 18:11.08 | sorphin | hey now |
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| 19:43.20 | prpplague | any arm asm gurus awake? |
| 19:43.51 | ljp | NOP |
| 19:44.22 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:44.23 | prpplague | cute |
| 19:44.38 | ljp | thats the extent of my asm |
| 19:45.44 | CosmicPenguin | I'm more of a leg man myself |
| 19:46.36 | CosmicPenguin | Hah - I don't have a cube |
| 19:46.38 | CosmicPenguin | jokes on you |
| 19:46.44 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: really shows how old things are... google earth says your house doesn't exist ;) |
| 19:46.59 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: ok, bathroom stall |
| 19:47.06 | sorphin | whatever you wanna call it |
| 19:47.24 | sorphin | janitorial closet |
| 19:48.27 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: heh |
| 19:48.40 | CosmicPenguin | yeah - its an open field on google maps |
| 19:49.03 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: built one of those auto-cloaking houses di ya? ;) |
| 19:49.31 | CosmicPenguin | Woo - our internal IPS now support PEAP |
| 19:49.51 | CosmicPenguin | s/IPS/APs/ |
| 19:49.59 | sorphin | uhhhh |
| 19:50.00 | sorphin | ok |
| 19:50.34 | sorphin | stay away from the FABs |
| 19:51.17 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 19:51.33 | CosmicPenguin | LEAP is a Cisco protocol for authorizing users on a wireless network |
| 19:51.49 | CosmicPenguin | forcing us to use cisco cards and closed sorce software to access the network |
| 19:51.58 | CosmicPenguin | But we can use Xsupplicant for PEAP |
| 19:55.16 | sorphin | ah |
| 19:55.42 | sorphin | we're not that anal here on our non corporate snctioned wireless |
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| 20:20.26 | Wingnut_ | does anyone know of a motherboard with 1 16x PCIe slot and 2 full speed 4x (or greater) PCIe slots? |
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| 21:22.50 | T0mW | <groan> setting up a virgin build system is such a PITA |
| 21:23.02 | T0mW | make this ; make that |
| 21:28.19 | CosmicPenguin | He heard you coming |
| 21:29.40 | T0mW | BAH! "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lstdc" |
| 21:32.26 | chouimat | http://os.newsforge.com/os/05/08/03/1246236.shtml?tid=2&tid=138 <--- interesting |
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| 21:48.55 | T0mW | chouimat: guess that means that the installer for SuSE is now oss |
| 21:51.04 | chouimat | T0mW: ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/suse/i386/9.3/iso/ |
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| 22:43.54 | T0mW | chouimat: it would seem that Novell still needs to be told about bittorrent? |
| 22:46.30 | sorphin | heh |
| 22:46.40 | sorphin | mirrors.kernel.org does just fine bandwidth wise |
| 22:56.39 | chouimat | T0mW: will wait for the beta the kernel will support reiser4 ... |
| 23:18.02 | chouimat | hi sorphin |
| 23:21.52 | sorphin | chouimat: lo |
| 23:26.04 | MonMotha | this is impressive...I'm actually going to be usinga ll three tuners at once at 8PM |
| 23:26.12 | MonMotha | well, 8:30 |
| 23:38.58 | sorphin | heh |
| 23:38.59 | sorphin | why? |
| 23:48.21 | MonMotha | I almost never actually use all three of my tuners |
| 23:48.25 | MonMotha | I rarely use more than |
| 23:48.26 | MonMotha | 1 |
| 23:49.04 | sorphin | i meant why are you going to be using all 3? |
| 23:49.48 | MonMotha | there's three things at once that it's going to record |
| 23:50.27 | MonMotha | Law & Order, Modern Marvels, Who's line |
| 23:50.36 | sorphin | ah |
| 23:50.39 | sorphin | in order |
| 23:50.45 | sorphin | Pass, Cool, Pass |
| 23:50.59 | MonMotha | sorphin: agreed with the assesments |
| 23:51.15 | sorphin | MonMotha: then why are you recording them all? |
| 23:51.48 | MonMotha | sorphin: because I like to have enough stuff queued up that I can just throw it on in the background if I want to |
| 23:52.08 | sorphin | uh huh |
| 23:52.12 | sorphin | mythbusters is on tonight |
| 23:52.26 | MonMotha | picking it up at 8PM |
| 23:52.38 | MonMotha | I was off by one hour before |
| 23:52.45 | MonMotha | that was at 9:00 that it's going to use all three |
| 23:53.03 | sorphin | nod |
| 23:53.37 | MonMotha | Modern Marvels is good, but when it makes up 30% of the TV you watch, even good documentaries start to get boring |
| 23:53.44 | MonMotha | there's just nothing good on |
| 23:54.50 | MonMotha | hopefully since Law & Order is actually in HD, WTHR won't screw up their aspect ratio (they strech 4:3 content HALF-WAY out to 16:9, meaning that it looks wrong no matter what you do) |
| 23:55.44 | sorphin | nod |