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10:16.49jk|45hello iam developing an
10:16.54jk|45app for busy box
10:17.11jk|45i was just wondering is there any task scheduler for busybox
10:17.26jk|45or any opensource embedded task scheduler with small memory footprint
10:17.26jk|45?
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12:21.32Genesisbonjour
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13:01.54sorphinand he expects what? it's mostly americans, and we do sleep
13:01.55sorphinheh
13:02.25sorphineveryone else logs out
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13:24.38sorphinprpplague: moin islander
13:24.49sorphinor as you would say
13:24.52sorphinho ho freakin ho
13:25.04prpplaguesorphin: morning
13:26.08sorphinprpplague: sup?
13:26.43prpplaguesorphin: nada
13:26.47prpplaguesorphin: just life
13:26.56prpplaguesorphin: got a ton of things to do
13:27.19prpplaguesorphin: kinda depressed as my toy money has been very low lately
13:28.56prpplaguesorphin: not too happy aobut this iee mess
13:31.27sorphiniee mess?
13:31.34sorphinand i can relate on the toy $
13:33.07pb_hi plague
13:33.08pb_hi sorphin
13:33.12prpplaguepb_: morning
13:33.21prpplaguesorphin: iee is refusing to release kernel source
13:35.21pb_who are iee?
13:35.26prpplaguepb_: did you say you'd used some prism3 cards?
13:35.28pb_not the institute of electrical engineers, presumably
13:35.31prpplaguepb_: www.ieeinc.com
13:35.42pb_prpplague: no, only prism2
13:35.47prpplagueahh
13:36.08prpplaguepb_: this prism3 card i have is showing up as a 802.11-DS card
13:36.33sorphinpb_: wotcher mate
13:37.00sorphinprpplague: and that's abnormal how ?
13:37.13sorphinmy orinocos show up as 802.11-ds
13:39.31pb_yeah, it's mostly down to the whim of the driver.
13:39.45pb_hostap_cs will use 802.11-DS for some cards and 802.11b for others.  depending on the supported speeds, I think.
13:40.56prpplaguepb_: hmm, ok
13:41.20prpplaguepb_: the only other things is that i'm not getting a mac address
13:41.24prpplaguepb_:  its all zeros
13:41.33pb_in ifconfig, you mean?
13:41.37pb_that does sound unfortunate
13:41.57prpplaguepb_: yea
13:42.13prpplaguepb_: and hostap_diag doesn't return any info
13:43.39sorphinprpplague: will it work if you force a macaddr of the kernel commandline?
13:43.47sorphins/of/on/
13:45.21prpplaguesorphin: about to test that
13:46.07sorphink
13:46.30sorphin~wednesday
13:46.30ibotWednesday sucks, because it is only half way through the week.
13:47.14prpplaguesorphin: hmm i don't think my ifconfig for busybox is compilied with the option to set hw address
13:50.40sorphinah
13:50.41sorphinbusybox
13:54.22prpplagueinteresting, looks like this card might not actually contain all the firmware, and has to be loaded during init
13:55.19sorphinyeah
13:56.06sorphindoze and linux use different firmwares on the card, linux uses the onboard, windows generaly uses the tertiary firmware that's loaded by the driver..
13:56.18sorphinin the case of your card
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13:56.34sorphinsounds normal too, heh
13:56.59sorphinyou can rip the firmware out of the windows drivers and just shove it into the card's memory
13:58.40prpplaguesorphin: yea, gonna have to find it
14:00.49prpplaguejeeze, just a setup.exe
14:05.12prpplagueok firmware located
14:12.31prpplaguesorphin: wahoo
14:14.05prpplaguelovely its working
14:14.08sorphinprpplague: :)
14:14.21prpplaguegonna have to write a script to load this firmware
14:14.28sorphinactually
14:14.34sorphinhermesAP has to do the same trick
14:14.46sorphinto run an orinoco in AP mode
14:14.47sorphinheh
14:14.57prpplaguesorphin: yea, i can really use any standard stuff, this is on a custom embedded device
14:15.06prpplagues/can/can't
14:15.11sorphinnod
14:18.46sorphinand there's the king of AMD himself
14:19.14CosmicPenguinerr... yeah
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14:19.47sorphinade|desk: wotcher
14:19.55prpplagueCosmicPenguin: morning
14:20.00CosmicPenguinmorning
14:22.07sorphin~lart php
14:24.44Genesisbonne aprem & a+
14:39.19CosmicPenguinThat dude is funny
14:39.51prpplagueCosmicPenguin: what do you expect, he's french
14:52.31prpplagueoh lord, the locals have made a remix of axel-f
15:02.16ade|deskhey up sorphin
15:04.33sorphinade|desk: alright mate?
15:05.47CosmicPenguincool
15:05.49CosmicPenguinOpenGEM
15:05.57CosmicPenguinGEM was the first GUI I ever used
15:08.00CosmicPenguinWe're looking for interns - so if anybody knows a sophomore in a local (Denver, Boulder, Fort Collins) school doing computer science or EE, let me know
15:08.45prpplagueade|desk: hey hey
15:08.54prpplagueade|desk: whats cookin in the UK today?
15:17.29chouimatmorning
15:18.11sorphinchouimat: lo
15:28.59ade|deskchanging laptops is so anoying
15:29.27prpplagueade|desk: try changing wives
15:29.43ade|deskbloody anti-virus deletes all admin tools , cos they may be used to harm a server !!!! wft
15:31.04ade|desklol even ms win 2000 support tools get deleted
15:31.12ade|deski give up
15:32.09ade|deskav software nowadays, its just like a virus: consumes ~100% cpu, hogs memory and stops you from working
15:32.30ade|deskand you pay for this shit !!!
15:32.36ade|deskgrrrrrrr
15:32.55prpplagueade|desk: hehe, i had to have a talk with my son sunday, i heard him say "bloody hell"
15:37.27sorphinade|desk: i mostly use trendmicro's online scanner
15:38.54sorphinprpplague: afraid he'll wanna become british? ;)
15:39.55prpplaguesorphin: no, just not proper language for a boy of his age
15:40.46sorphinuh
15:40.54sorphinright
15:41.09sorphinand he's how old?
15:42.39prpplague8 in august
15:44.57sorphinbut to but to each their own
15:47.13ade|deskbloody buggering hell
15:47.31ade|deskare the correct words to use at this time
15:49.06sorphinade|desk: and you should know ya bloody limey ;)
15:57.53prpplagueade|desk: hehe
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16:05.59CosmicPenguinI thought bloody was a low grade swear word
16:06.13CosmicPenguinKind of like damn or hell or bastard
16:06.35ade|deskit is
16:07.02ade|deskbugger likewise
16:07.13sorphinoh sod it all :P
16:07.21ade|deskindeedy
16:10.53prpplagueCosmicPenguin: yea, seeing how barbados is a former british colony people use it here
16:15.34ade|desknight all
16:16.21CosmicPenguinI didn't have a damn thing to do yesterday, but I can't keep e-mail out of my inbox today
16:16.32CosmicPenguinstupid work - be more consistant
16:19.35prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hehe, yea always seems that way
16:19.47prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hows things with the reorg?
16:20.02CosmicPenguinso far so good
16:20.05prpplagueCosmicPenguin: have you met the "Bob's" yet ?
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16:21.07CosmicPenguinheh
16:21.11CosmicPenguinno, its nothing like that
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16:22.56prpplagueCosmicPenguin: still nothing from iee
16:23.17prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i tried a stock 2.4.19 kernel and it reboots just like before
16:23.36prpplagueCosmicPenguin: so i suspect they have something modified in their bios that has to match in the kernel
16:23.54CosmicPenguinSounds like it to me
16:24.25CosmicPenguinI wonder how it resets though - I'm assuming the kernel doesn't do it
16:24.37CosmicPenguinIt would be interesting if you had a FS2 to break on the reset vector and see how you get there.. :)
16:24.44prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i can use their kernel, but it doesn't support minix so i'll have to make a change in partitioning
16:24.58prpplagueCosmicPenguin: yea, it looks to be a hardware based reset
16:25.02CosmicPenguinugly
16:25.05prpplagueyea
16:25.20prpplagueCosmicPenguin: jtag headers are available on the board, but i'm too lazy to mess with it
16:25.39CosmicPenguincan you instrument their kernel at all to see what I/O ports they're writing?
16:26.07prpplague"instrument their kernel" ?
16:27.27CosmicPenguinI was just talking out my ass - wondering what you could do to figure out the stupidity they are doing
16:27.33prpplagueoh
16:27.40CosmicPenguinI wonder - you suppose its just a old fashioned watchdog timer?
16:27.59prpplaguei didn't see anything in their fs that gave me that indication
16:29.18CosmicPenguinIs it an adventech board?
16:29.26CosmicPenguinAdvantech
16:30.18CosmicPenguinprpplague: is there a device in their /dev with a major of 10 and a minor of 130?
16:30.26prpplaguechecking
16:31.02CosmicPenguinYay!  We shipped our millionth Opteron this week
16:31.13CosmicPenguinThats 64 million bits for those of you playing at home... :)
16:32.06prpplagueyep
16:32.10prpplaguewd
16:32.25CosmicPenguinCould it possibly be that simple?
16:33.00prpplaguethere is a wd_reset app in their fs too
16:33.06CosmicPenguinstrace that sucker
16:33.47prpplagueok, they are loading modules for wdt and wdt_pci
16:34.07prpplaguehmm, what machzwd.o ?
16:34.28CosmicPenguinMachZ ZF-Logic Watchdog Timer driver for Linux
16:34.30CosmicPenguinThis is all in the code
16:34.36prpplagueahh
16:35.07CosmicPenguinI'll bet thats it
16:35.26prpplaguefound it, under two hidden dirs, a shell script to write to the wd
16:35.46CosmicPenguinIts really easy - just write anything
16:36.16CosmicPenguin'V' is a specal char indicating that you expect to close the file and re-open it
16:36.31CosmicPenguinif you don't write that, then it will assume the system went skiwompous and will reset
16:36.55CosmicPenguinmaybe that is skywompous
16:37.07prpplagueCosmicPenguin: can't i write a 0 to the wd and turn it off?
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16:37.53CosmicPenguinprpplague:  I dunno
16:38.19CosmicPenguinIt seems that the WD is enabed in the BIOS, so I don't know if it will let you disable it
16:39.08prpplagueCosmicPenguin: these guys are assholes, they act like i'm trying to steal their trade secrets
16:39.09CosmicPenguinit *IS* enabled in BIOS right?
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16:39.18CosmicPenguinYou're not loading wdt in your image, are you?
16:39.24prpplagueCosmicPenguin: can;t say since there is no access to the bios
16:39.27prpplagueCosmicPenguin: no
16:39.37prpplagueCosmicPenguin: no i am not loading the wdt
16:39.39CosmicPenguinOk - so yeah
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16:40.10CosmicPenguinI would try messing with the wdt first - try the modules that they load and see if it will stay up if you ping the device file
16:40.17CosmicPenguinThen, once that is established, you can figure out how to turn the thing off
16:48.07prpplagueCosmicPenguin: yea
16:48.37prpplagueCosmicPenguin: fb seems to work ok on the device, you recon i'll have problems getting x working?
16:50.49CosmicPenguinprobably won't be accelerated
16:51.04CosmicPenguinYou can get the GX driver and see how well it works
16:51.13CosmicPenguinSC1200/GX1/GX share the same graphics engine
16:51.43prpplagueCosmicPenguin: yea, my main concern is the config file
16:51.52prpplagueCosmicPenguin: getting the right freq's for this lcd
16:53.16CosmicPenguinoh yeah - that might be tough
16:53.28CosmicPenguinWhy not just run the framebuffer then?
16:53.42prpplagueCosmicPenguin: because the app i already have written is for x
16:53.49prpplagueCosmicPenguin: its in fltk
16:54.26CosmicPenguinI've got a question, but don't consider it rude
16:54.37prpplagueok
16:54.45CosmicPenguinWhy do you always spend your time hacking other devices for your custom stuff?  Why don't you just make a device of your own and call it good?
16:55.04CosmicPenguinSeems that would save you much pain and suffering
16:55.27prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i don't follow what you are saying?
16:56.13CosmicPenguinprpplague: well, if you need a x86 device, why not develop your own?
16:56.31prpplagueCosmicPenguin: oh, electronics and software aren't the problem, its the case thats the issue
16:56.44prpplagueCosmicPenguin: no one can afford to do a custom injected molded case
16:58.36prpplagueCosmicPenguin: the whole reason we purchased this unit was that it was advertised as running linux
16:58.50prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i figured i'd have everything i needed to do the job
16:58.54prpplagueCosmicPenguin: boy was i wrong
16:59.09CosmicPenguinheh
16:59.16CosmicPenguinok - well, again, don't take offense, I was just wondering
16:59.29prpplagueCosmicPenguin: no i wish we could do a nice kiosk
16:59.48CosmicPenguinIts doesn't seem to me to be very satisfying to be constantly fighting GPL offenders
17:00.06prpplagueCosmicPenguin: no it doesn't
17:02.16CosmicPenguinSo, anyay, as far as X is concerned - you should be able to go with VESA just to get the thing up
17:02.29CosmicPenguini think then you wouldn't have to worry about timings so much
17:14.07prpplagueCosmicPenguin: ok cool
17:14.20prpplaguei think all that i lack is the watchdog stuff
17:14.41prpplagueCosmicPenguin: so you have to write to the wd device every so often to keep it up?
17:15.01prpplagueCosmicPenguin: an echo to the device not ok?
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17:16.28CosmicPenguinAs long as len > 0 on the write, you should be good
17:16.52prpplagueCosmicPenguin: so if cat wd what do i get? the amount of time left on the counter?
17:18.38prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i'm kinda in a spot with this device though, the customer wants to buy a bunch of these, but i figure if i cause a big stink iee won't sell them to the customer
17:20.46CosmicPenguinI don't think wd will give you anything
17:20.52CosmicPenguinits a horribly simple hack
17:22.26prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i hope they've not done something special since their bios is customized
17:24.58prpplagueall i lack is getting x running
17:25.06prpplagueCosmicPenguin: everything is else a stock buildroot
17:34.58CosmicPenguinYay!
17:35.04CosmicPenguinPlanner can read MS Project files
17:35.11CosmicPenguinAnd there was much dancing
17:37.11prpplagueCosmicPenguin: error in dmesg on the machzf wd driver, "can't misc_register minor 130
17:37.57CosmicPenguinDid you have another wdt installed?
17:38.29prpplagueCosmicPenguin: compilied all the base ones in the kernel
17:47.08prpplagueCosmicPenguin: their kernel is definelty modified
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18:02.27prpplagueCosmicPenguin: yea it looks to be the watch dog
18:07.38prpplagueCosmicPenguin: they are running a custom module called wd_reset
18:08.55prpplaguekernel_version=2.4.19
18:08.55prpplagueauthor=IEE, Inc.
18:08.55prpplaguedescription=Driver for Geode watchdog register
18:08.55prpplaguelicense=GPL
18:11.27chouimathi prpplague CosmicPenguin
18:11.38CosmicPenguinOhh... interesting... :)
18:11.54CosmicPenguinI would like to see that....
18:20.52prpplagueCosmicPenguin: the others listed as dual licenses MPL/GPL
18:20.55prpplaguewhat is MPL?
18:25.05prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i think i've identified everything except the touch screen controler
18:34.22sorphinprpplague: iirc, MPL = Mozilla license type thing
18:48.03prpplagueahh
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19:27.56prpplagueis there an easy way to make a dummy pointer device?
19:28.08prpplaguefor xfree86 that is
19:28.58CosmicPenguinour lance armstrong party is today
19:29.06CosmicPenguinI wonder if I should wear that intel shirt I got at OLS
19:30.45TheCollectorhehe
19:31.45sorphinCosmicPenguin: ha
19:31.59sorphinCosmicPenguin: you need to order one of those Initech shirts
19:34.06CosmicPenguinYeah, well, if I wasn't a fat idiot, one would be on the way
19:35.03CosmicPenguinThen again, if I had a dollar for everytime something would go well if I wasn't a fat idiot
19:36.27prpplagueCosmicPenguin: grey background for x
19:36.35prpplagueCosmicPenguin: appears to be wrong resolution
19:36.39prpplagueCosmicPenguin: but its working
19:37.29CosmicPenguinnice
19:37.53prpplagueCosmicPenguin: its a qvga, but looks to be grabing 640x480
19:39.27prpplagueCosmicPenguin: what do you think, should i leave it as vga and just put my app it the corner, or try to tweak it for qvga?
19:45.39CosmicPenguinWe have to stop with these damn names
19:45.43CosmicPenguinQVGA, SVGA - screw it
19:45.51CosmicPenguinwhat resolution is your app?
19:46.37prpplagueCosmicPenguin: qvga, 320x240
19:46.48prpplagueshould be able to just put it in the corner
19:46.54CosmicPenguinor center it
19:47.55prpplaguewell it looks like its only displaying the upper left corner
19:48.14CosmicPenguinSo the virtual size is wrong?
19:48.22prpplaguelooks that way
19:48.36CosmicPenguinThat should be easy enough to tweak
19:48.44prpplagueCosmicPenguin: when i run a fb console on the lcd it does act like a 640x480
19:48.55CosmicPenguinwhat does fbset tell you?
19:49.18prpplaguehehe, we think soooo much alike, i was just checking
19:50.10CosmicPenguinI don't know if thats a good thing or a bad thing
19:50.13CosmicPenguin:)
19:50.54prpplaguehehe
19:51.07prpplagueyea, i'll have to reboot with fb enabled,
19:51.17prpplagueright now, i'm running straight vga console
19:52.09Genesisprpplague : now i've the JB , i need you make the doc ;)
19:52.13Genesis_o/
19:52.49filesorphin: poke
19:53.30prpplagueGenesis: little swampped at this point in time, wont have any more time till after the 14th
19:53.59Genesisoki
19:54.03Genesisnevermind , i wait
19:54.25prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hmm, fbset isn't responding
19:54.30CosmicPenguinthats bad
19:56.34prpplagueCosmicPenguin: oh well i'll go with the 640x480 now
19:56.56CosmicPenguinYou don't have a scope handy, do you?
19:57.23prpplaguenot handy
19:57.26CosmicPenguinSee what the LCD is being driven to
19:57.46prpplaguevirtual screen is being set at 640x480, couldn't i set that to 320x240?
19:58.16CosmicPenguinYou can set the scren to whatever you want.  You have the power.. :)
20:00.55prpplagueCosmicPenguin: wondering if setting it to vertual will actuall do anything
20:05.28kergothprpplague: have a job interview tomorrow morning :)
20:10.36CosmicPenguinkergoth: if you need references, you know where to come... :)
20:11.09CroftonI sense they will build router firmware images with OE soon :)
20:11.28CosmicPenguinAnd Geodes!
20:11.29CosmicPenguin:D
20:12.38kergothhehe
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20:22.16prpplaguekergoth: great news
20:22.22prpplaguekergoth: what kind of work?
20:22.37prpplaguekergoth: yea, if you need refs let me know
20:22.41chouimathi kergoth
20:28.50prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hmm, can't get my app to open up in the right place :(
20:29.38CosmicPenguinprpplague: you'll have to hack fltk to set the window location
20:29.58CosmicPenguinI'm pretty sure that used to be broken - at least back in the Microwindows days
20:30.34chouimatYESSSSSSSS!!!!!!!
20:30.51CosmicPenguinyay - uclibc rocks!
20:31.29CosmicPenguinA bit more testing is needed, but its looking like uclibc will be the default for future Alchemy rootfs releases
20:35.12prpplagueCosmicPenguin: yea appears to be broken
20:43.39TheCollectorkergoth: good luck on the interview
20:48.45CosmicPenguinWow - they raffled off a Lance Armstrong signed jersey
20:49.16CosmicPenguinThats a nice prize
21:01.39Genesisbonne nuit
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21:07.44kergothTheCollector: thanks
21:15.19Crofton<PROTECTED>
21:15.44CosmicPenguinCrofton: a guy in marketing - good dude,
21:15.53CroftonDoes he want it :)
21:16.07CosmicPenguinIf he doesn't, I'll gladly take it off his hands
21:16.09CosmicPenguin:)
21:16.45CroftonOf course I'd trade two Lance Armstrong for a George Hincapie
21:16.53Croftonor a night with George;s wife :)
21:17.08Crofton(He married a podium babe)
21:17.14kergothhah
21:20.29sorphinummm
21:20.32sorphinooooook
21:31.14file[laptop]sorphin: got one of the switches at work upgraded to support encryption for voice calls ;)
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22:24.51sorphinfile[laptop]: cool
22:31.31TonikGinhttp://www.securityfocus.com/news/11259
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22:32.03TonikGini respect that guy so much, and i hardly even know em
22:36.30sorphintypical, guy tries to help a company, and instead the company sues him
22:36.49sorphinthat's why it's pointless to do that unless you're an equally big company
22:38.19TonikGinyup, he has a mighty fight ahead if any legal action ensues
22:39.14CosmicPenguinHardly, he'll get tossed into jail and that will be the end of that
22:39.58sorphinyep
22:40.01TonikGinhe shoudl had just posted it anonymously on bugtraq
22:40.04TonikGin=p
22:41.36CosmicPenguinSeems he wanted a bit of notiriety for himself - especially if he is suddently jobless
22:44.58sorphinwell he'll get it alright.. in court
23:07.53kergothhmm, anyone ever heard of these guys? http://www.astrocorp.com/products.htm .. have an interview with them tomorrow
23:08.48sorphindoing..

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