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01:26.00cola_hi
01:26.51GenesisHo !
01:29.22cola_How goes it?
01:30.05Genesisi begin
01:30.18Genesisi'll try subversion in the same time
01:31.19Genesisit seems simplier
01:31.56cola_hey, u wouldnt happen to know a thing or two about the PSP toolchain or SDK, now would u?
01:33.20sorphindon't think anyone here even owns a PSP
01:33.45cola_Well appearently I have 99 problems.
01:34.01sorphinlooked for any psp linux forums?
01:34.07cola_yea a bit
01:34.10sorphinthis channel is generally embedded development
01:34.21sorphinARM, MIPS, etc
01:34.22cola_yea jnc said I should check here
01:34.26sorphinah
01:34.41sorphinsorry
01:34.42Genesisit's arm in psp doesn't it ?
01:34.43Genesis:}
01:34.55cola_mips
01:35.27sorphinheh
01:35.35sorphinwell most are gone on the weekend anyways
01:35.54cola_*shrug*
01:36.13cola_someone has to be around. do you know of any channels the psp people hide in offhand?
01:36.15Genesisonly crazy people make something at this hour ( 3H44 )
01:36.30sorphinGenesis: it's 8:36pm here
01:36.35sorphinnope
01:36.41sorphinsorry
01:37.00cola_ok. thanks tho
01:37.12sorphinsince it's mips based
01:37.13Genesis24H system own
01:37.16sorphinmight try linuxmips
01:37.21sorphinerm
01:37.33sorphinmipslinux rather
01:37.35sorphini think it is
01:37.38sorphinthey might know
01:37.45cola_ok. thanks
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02:05.14sorphin'oh, sjhill's here
02:06.45sjhillyeah, i smell like Candada.....it's digusting
02:07.14chouimat|ibookhey sjhill
02:07.27sorphinsjhill: go shower then
02:07.39sorphinyou're stinkin up the channel, lackey
02:08.17sorphinsjhill: you just missed someone asking about the PSP build stuff or whatever... i don't even know anyone that has one, so i sent him to the mips linux channel
02:08.20sorphinsince it has a mips
02:14.47sjhilli know, it's beautiful
02:14.50sjhilli may have to buy one
02:14.57sorphinheh
02:15.52sorphinwh othe hell wants to watch a movie on a screen THAT small, that's as bad as this watch it on your cell crap
02:17.09sjhillwow
02:17.21sjhillthese new trance CDs i picked up are delicious
02:17.25sjhillomg
02:17.39sorphinsjhill: details
02:18.07sjhillGlobal Underground: Departures, Arrivals, Destinations
02:18.13sjhillthose are three of the albums
02:18.14sorphinplus i have a ton of ole Global Underground here
02:18.22sjhillthe other one is a Canadian group
02:18.24sjhillDelirium
02:18.26file[desk]soylent green is people!
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02:18.32sorphinsan fran, etc
02:18.40sorphinfile[desk]: shush, ya silly canadian
02:19.01file[laptop]otay
02:19.18file[laptop]eep
02:21.47sorphinmmmm
02:21.51sorphin240mw laser
02:22.36MonMothawow, mythtv needs better error handling
02:22.48sorphinheh
02:23.21MonMothawell, it basically assumes that all data it receives is 100% valid MPEG
02:23.29sorphinoooer
02:23.37sorphina 45W CO^2 laser
02:23.44MonMothaouch
02:24.01sorphinmedical laser
02:40.42sjhillyes!
02:40.50sjhilli'm finally getting the hang of subversion
02:41.30file[laptop]dieeeee
02:42.12jnc...
02:42.18jnccanadian hot dog
02:42.23jnc...
02:42.29file[laptop]when I went to Maine the hot dogs there were pink
02:42.41file[laptop]and yes, your mind is corrupted
02:42.42cdmsubversion is pretty easy to get if you are used to perforce.
02:42.48jncs/hot dog/phallic object/
02:43.20sjhillcdm: i'm still having problems with merge though
02:43.21sorphinuhhh
02:43.21file[laptop]so jnc, a little over a week and I'm in your territory
02:43.29jncyeah
02:43.31jncdon't worry
02:43.33file[laptop]should I hunt you down?
02:43.44jnci've pissed all over town to mark my space
02:43.48jncshould be easy to find
02:43.48sjhillcdm: you think you could answer a subversion question?
02:43.50Genesisbouh jnc
02:44.05file[laptop]'tsk 'tsk
02:44.07jnc:)
02:44.08jncsure
02:44.14jncwe'll grab a hot dog
02:44.25sorphinheh
02:44.28sorphinno comment
02:45.24file[laptop]SOOOOOO what's everyone up to?
02:46.06cdmsjhill - I could try. ;)
02:46.16cdmahh - merge eh?
02:46.53cdmshould be easy as going into the trunk and merging in the path to the branch.
02:48.52sjhillshould be
02:49.18sjhillthe problem is i do 'svn merge <my-brnahc> <trunk> <dir>'
02:49.32sjhillthe problem is with added (A) files
02:49.38sjhillwhen i go to commit them it complains:
02:50.16cdmodd.
02:50.31sjhillsvn: Commit failed (details follow):
02:50.31sjhillsvn: Source url '/branches/uClibc-nptl/test/args/arg_test.out.good' is from different repository
02:50.43sjhillthis is driving me insane
02:50.54sjhilluClibc-nptl IS a branch from trunk
02:52.14cdmhurm...can I see your merge command?
02:52.54sjhillvn merge svn+ssh://sjhill@svn.uclibc.org/svn/branches/uClibc-nptl/test svn+ssh://sjhill@svn.uclibc.org/svn/trunk/uClibc/test uClibc-nptl
02:53.58cdmoh man.
02:54.04cdmI am googling about this.
02:54.10file[laptop]I have yet to do up my presentation for 'da conference
02:54.11cdmand, now I don't like subversion anymore. ;)
02:54.15file[laptop]and I've got like a week and a few days
02:54.24cdmhttp://svn.haxx.se/users/archive-2004-10/1649.shtml
02:54.24sjhillhrm
02:54.32sjhilli may have to go to Toronto this week
02:54.38sjhilli just got BACK from Canada
02:54.41sjhill*sigh*
02:54.46file[laptop]whyyyyy
02:54.47cdmsjhill. :)
02:55.02cdmsjhill - are we close to having decent NPTL for ARM? :)
02:55.33sjhillno way
02:55.41cdm:)
02:55.44cdmJust wanted to check.
02:57.53Genesis++
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13:32.35sorphinsjhill: moin lackey
13:32.40sjhillhello
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13:36.54sorphinprpplague: yeeeeeeeeehaw
13:37.15prpplaguesorphin: yeeee doggieee
13:37.33sorphinprpplague: Free Beer That's Free as in Speech
13:37.38sorphinsounds like your kinda beer ;)
13:38.38prpplaguesorphin: yep
13:38.50sorphinprpplague: on /.
13:39.21prpplaguesorphin: yea
13:41.25sorphinprpplague: they serve guinness down there hillbilly?
13:43.53prpplaguesorphin: yea
13:44.22prpplaguesorphin: they actually brew a form of guinness here on the island called "guinness foreign extra"
13:44.34sorphinand how's it compared to the normal?
13:45.05prpplaguesorphin: its creamier and not as bitter as the normal
13:45.17prpplaguesorphin: you can read some of the reviews on ratebeer if you are interested
13:45.34prpplaguesorphin: they have a fairly good article there on the different forms of guinness
13:45.51sorphinactually i may look
13:46.00sorphinregular guinness is too bitter for me
13:46.03sorphinso if this is less
13:46.13sorphinmight actually be able to handle it, heh
13:47.21prpplaguesorphin: well what you can try is a black and tan with guinness and a light larger like
13:47.44prpplaguesorphin:makes guinness a nicer drink for those who don't enjoy bitters
13:48.20sorphinprpplague: someone posted a recipe for some Mead thing too
13:49.16prpplaguemead is toooooo sweet for me
13:50.47sorphinnod
13:51.58sorphinthe one time i had a guinness.. i couldn't even get 1/4 into it.. prolly didn't help that they had the stupid thing fridged
13:52.36prpplaguesorphin: i didn't understand what you said about fridged
13:54.31sorphincol
13:54.33sorphind
13:54.34sorphincold
13:54.40sorphinnon room temp
13:54.52sorphinwhich is how i heard you're supposed to serve it, at room temp
13:56.40prpplaguesorphin: it depends, like i said there are several different types of guinness, some are made be served at room temp
13:56.47prpplaguesorphin: others are suppose to be chilled
13:58.04sorphinah
13:58.25pb_yah, Guinness "Extra Cold" is big over here
13:58.37sorphinthis was normal find in the states, run of the mill taht you'd find in a place like dave and busters
14:01.23prpplaguepb_: morning
14:01.42pb_prpplague: yo
14:05.07sjhillsorphin: here, let me help
14:05.15sjhill~ibot deskslap sorphin
14:05.17prpplaguesjhill: hey hey
14:05.21sjhillhey prpplague
14:05.22prpplaguesjhill: whats cookin?
14:05.26prpplaguesjhill: how was OLS?
14:05.31sjhillit was pretty good
14:05.37sjhilli got a lot of hacking done
14:05.44sjhilli'll be there too
14:05.52sorphin~lackeyslap sjhill
14:05.52ibotACTION slaps sjhill around like the lackey they are.
14:05.52sjhilli have 3 presentation ideas
14:06.01prpplaguesjhill: cool
14:06.49sorphin"How MIPS will rules the world"
14:07.06sorphin"How to go from PPC to MIPS in 12 easy steps"
14:07.21sorphin"If you're MIPS and you know it, clap your hands"
14:07.22sorphin:P
14:08.00jnc_MIPS! get your MIPS!.... hot MIPS hot MIPS... fresh MIPS
14:08.14jnc_fish'n'MIPS
14:08.22sorphinjnc_: sjhill will take your whole lot
14:08.39jnc_BBQ mesquite MIPS
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14:10.26CosmicPenguinsjhill: yo - you made it back OK?
14:10.33sorphinCosmicPenguin: and there he is.. ready to rumble
14:10.54sorphinAMD and Intel Notebooks Head to Head
14:10.54CosmicPenguinI love this job
14:11.08CosmicPenguinI come back, I have a box full of Alchemy's on my chair, and a brand new UPS
14:11.19sorphinCosmicPenguin: guess they like you again ;)
14:11.30prpplagueCosmicPenguin: morning
14:11.37CosmicPenguinprpplague: morning
14:12.37sorphinCosmicPenguin: when i read that /. headline, i instantly pictured 2 notebooks in boxing trunks, ready to duke it out, AMD in 1 corner, Intel in the other, and Intel gets booed
14:12.48CosmicPenguinheh
14:12.57CosmicPenguinLike in professional wrestling
14:13.26sjhillCosmicPenguin: yeah
14:13.33sjhilli had a manager come in my office this morning
14:13.40sorphinthat's always scary
14:13.49prpplaguesorphin: or like on the simpsons where they are both wired to electric chairs and the other opposit laptop controles the button
14:13.50sjhill"So, you're going to Toronoto either tomorrow or Wednesday"
14:13.56sjhillun....believable
14:14.00CosmicPenguinhah!
14:14.04sorphinha
14:14.17prpplaguesjhill: hehe, i miss those days, hehe
14:14.25sorphinsjhill: did you tell him, why didn't you tell me this before i left there?
14:14.26CosmicPenguinAt least he didn't say you had to go to Ottawa
14:14.33prpplaguesjhill: back when i was with abcsinc, they'd call me at 10pm and tell me to pack my bags
14:14.39sorphin"i just left canada"
14:15.07sorphinsjhill: keep this crap up and the kid's gonna grow up thinkin the UPS guy is daddy :P
14:16.16sorphinheh
14:16.20sorphinCosmicPenguin: ok mr amd
14:16.23sorphin"Acer Ferrari 3400"
14:16.28CosmicPenguinheh
14:16.33sorphinwhatcha know about that AMD64 beast?
14:16.51CosmicPenguinUh,oh -
14:16.54CosmicPenguinbad news coming
14:16.55sjhillsorphin: i'll fight pretty hard against that
14:17.10sjhill?
14:17.12sorphinsjhill: then stay the hell outta canadia
14:17.13sjhillCosmicPenguin: what?
14:17.23CosmicPenguinall hands today
14:17.26CosmicPenguinThats not good
14:17.36sorphinwe have those all the time
14:17.49sorphinand it's always number BS
14:17.53CosmicPenguinThis is an unexpected all hands from an unexpected manager though
14:18.03sorphinwe keep a running tally of the most popular wards
14:18.14sorphinCosmicPenguin: uh.. make sure his name isn't bob, and he's not a "consultant"
14:18.20CosmicPenguinno joke
14:18.34CosmicPenguinAnd here I am with a notebook full of compliaints
14:18.52sorphinmight wanna hide that
14:18.53CosmicPenguinI work my ass off and AMD ships a few more units, and I don't see a penny of that
14:19.03CosmicPenguinAnd you know something else?  I have 8 bosses, Bob
14:19.07CosmicPenguinThats right, 8
14:19.21sorphinCosmicPenguin: careful, he w/ the biggest pencil
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14:19.35sorphingets it shoved up his behind by the consultant on the way out
14:19.52CosmicPenguinToday on my crap list - Gentoo
14:20.06sorphingentoo has never had a reason to leave my crap list
14:20.37file[laptop]my new cellphone is charging
14:20.39file[laptop]it's uber-l33t
14:20.49sorphinfile[desk]: suuuuuuuuure it is file
14:20.53sorphinfile[desk]: suuuuuuuuure it is
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14:21.17sorphinfile[desk]: can it talk IAX over a super carrier wave?
14:21.29file[laptop]yes it can!
14:21.32sorphinliar
14:22.00file[laptop]nope.
14:22.04sorphinok, there's too many files in the elinux directory
14:22.49sorphinfile[desk]: it's your fault sjhill has to go back to canadia, isn't it? :P
14:22.53sorphinok
14:22.54sorphindammit
14:24.35prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i hate those meetings
14:25.00CosmicPenguinand crap - I was having a great day until I read my e-mail
14:25.19CosmicPenguinUnless of course they annoucne they're bringing back the Alchemy
14:25.22CosmicPenguinthat would be sweeeeet!
14:25.36prpplagueCosmicPenguin: bringing back?
14:25.49CosmicPenguinprpplague: didn't you know they killed it?
14:25.59sorphinthat why you have a box of em?
14:26.29CosmicPenguinNo - they just stopped the new chips
14:26.29prpplagueCosmicPenguin: no, when did they do that?
14:26.34CosmicPenguinA while ago
14:26.42CosmicPenguinthe Au1200 is the last Alchemy part to be produced
14:26.49prpplagueCosmicPenguin: wow, didn't know that
14:27.05CosmicPenguinNot if I have anything to do with it.. :p
14:27.31sorphineh?
14:27.54sorphinunless you're sending me one as a belated bday present, i'll never see one :P
14:28.49sorphinprpplague: discovered any new toys lately? (heh, toys)
14:28.54sorphin;)
14:30.32CosmicPenguinsorphin: don't hold your breath
14:31.09sorphinlike i said :P
14:32.14sorphinheh
14:32.41prpplaguesorphin: yea one sec
14:33.08prpplaguesorphin: http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=SDV1-A&cpc=SCH&srm=0
14:34.47sorphinheh, outta stock too
14:35.11sorphinARM?
14:35.41prpplaguesorphin: yea
14:36.01sorphinfigured
14:36.09prpplaguesorphin: the newer version has more slots too
14:38.05prpplaguesorphin: you can get the earlier model for about $20.00
14:38.40sorphingot one yet? ;)
14:38.45prpplaguesorphin: yea
14:39.16sorphininternals?
14:41.34prpplaguesorphin: http://tinyurl.com/9aocb
14:41.37sorphink
14:42.05sorphinman
14:42.11sorphinthat 7TDMI is sure popular
14:42.25sorphin:)
14:43.00prpplaguesorphin: arm7tdmi is an excellent choice for low power embedded devices
14:43.21prpplaguesorphin: its used often where ppl would normally use a fpga or asic
14:43.24sorphinyeah
14:43.48sorphinwhat speed is it? (note, i'm not the only one that asked that), and are you gonna take pics
14:44.02prpplaguesorphin: yea, just been busy
14:44.11prpplaguesorphin: can only hack so many hours in a week
14:44.16file[laptop]I should go get food
14:44.34prpplaguesorphin: i've not put on a scope but based on the crystal, i suspect that its 60mhz
14:45.13sorphinprpplague: we need to clone you
14:45.15sorphin;)
14:45.25sorphinheh, circuit city wants $50
14:45.26sorphinouch
14:45.32pb_yah, 60MHz is about standard for an arm7tdmi
14:45.42pb_they'll go up to about 75, I think.
14:47.17sorphinprpplague: what about inplace of an MCU? or is that even too low scale
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14:55.04prpplaguesorphin: well, for most MCU devices ppl are still going with newer chips like the ez80
14:55.34prpplaguesorphin: generally when ppl switch from a MCU, they generall go to something with a MMU so they can do some multitasking
14:55.46sorphinthe mailstation i never did anything w/ has a Z80
14:57.25prpplaguesorphin: yea, the ez80 is a real nice version of the z80, loaded with features
15:00.24sorphinhmm
15:00.41sorphinInitec was originally NYCOR, INC
15:01.53prpplaguesorphin: was it spelled Initec?
15:02.09prpplaguesorphin: for some reason i thought it was Innotech
15:03.15sorphininitech actually
15:03.28sorphinman, this script sure was changed a lot for the movie
15:03.34CosmicPenguinThey always are
15:03.56sorphinin this, dom was the division vp and lumbergh was the divison chairman
15:04.38sorphinand at the beginning of the movie you see anne cheating w/ some dude that recognizes peter in the picture she has (in this script)
15:05.29prpplaguehehe
15:06.24sorphinprpplague: allmoviescripts.com
15:09.02prpplaguesorphin: clone me? why you want to do that? if there were 2 of me, we'd waste twice as much time
15:09.38sorphinprpplague: good poin
15:09.39sorphint
15:09.44sorphinheh
15:09.47sorphinin this script
15:09.54sorphinthey go to TGIFs
15:10.28prpplaguesorphin: isn't all the movie suppose to take place in dfw?
15:10.49sorphindunno
15:11.11sorphineven the waiter at the place acts different
15:11.13sorphinheh
15:11.20prpplaguesorphin: i mean alot of the shots in the movie were from dallas
15:11.30prpplaguesorphin: didn't know if was in the script to be in dallas
15:12.03CosmicPenguinMike Judge is from Texas
15:12.06CosmicPenguinso it would make sense
15:12.18sorphinok, what building did they use for initech then?
15:12.23sorphinmr plague
15:18.13sorphinprpplague: here http://www.collegegear.com/sf/stores/product_images/62077-x.jpg
15:18.19sorphinyou need oen of those ;)
15:20.31CosmicPenguinThats awesome
15:20.55CosmicPenguinStacee got a red stapler as a going away present for somebody at her old work
15:21.03sorphinheh, cool
15:21.07CosmicPenguinsorphin: whats the URL for that shit?
15:21.10CosmicPenguinerr... yeah
15:21.11CosmicPenguinshirt
15:21.17sorphinhaha
15:21.20CosmicPenguinshi...RRRRR...t
15:21.39sorphinCosmicPenguin: http://www.collegegear.com/sf/stores/1337/g-tee3.shtml
15:23.48sorphinunitrode
15:23.49sorphinheh
15:25.56CosmicPenguinDoh
15:27.03sorphinlemme guess, you need a 2xl?
15:27.49CosmicPenguinI'm a fat ass, I tell you
15:28.12sorphinCosmicPenguin: http://www.pricebloopers.com/
15:28.16sorphinthey have the stuff too
15:28.41CosmicPenguinheh
15:28.59sorphinat a cafepress store, heh
15:29.28sorphinheh, i've used their TPS report coversheet at a staffmeeting before had our director come in and hand them out as the new form to use
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15:41.44prpplaguesorphin: hehe cool shirt
15:42.08sorphinprpplague: you know you want one ;)
15:42.14prpplagueCosmicPenguin: yea, hehe, i picked up a red stapler on the way out of abcs, hehe
15:43.57sorphinT`: so how slow is it?
15:46.37chouimathttp://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-13394619,00.html
15:46.52sorphinprpplague: http://prodtn.cafepress.com/8/12162828_F_tn.jpg that too
15:47.22CosmicPenguinI don't like the green
15:47.28CosmicPenguinBut I like the shirt
15:47.52sorphinthey have others on that cafe press link off the pricebloopers page
15:49.51CosmicPenguinOk, start work.... now
15:49.53CosmicPenguinno... now
15:49.56CosmicPenguinnow
15:49.59CosmicPenguinahh, screw it
15:50.48sorphinCosmicPenguin: it's monday, it's no use
15:51.14sorphin~monday
15:51.14iboti heard monday is when everything breaks for no apparent reason, creating so many problems that it takes you until friday to get back to normal. at which point one more thing breaks that takes you the whole weekend to fix
15:51.36sorphin~today
15:51.36ibotI don't know what today is, but it probably sucks.
15:51.40prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hehe, got a case of the mondays? so do i
15:51.58sorphinprpplague: you could get your ass kicked for saying a thing like taht
15:52.00prpplagueCosmicPenguin: half way feel like going doing to the beach bar for lunch and watch the girls
15:52.06prpplaguesorphin: hehe
15:52.34CosmicPenguinyeah, your life is tough
15:52.44prpplaguehehe
15:52.53CosmicPenguinfresh seafood, women half naked all the time, the local booze is really tasty
15:52.55sorphinoh yeah
15:53.12sorphini can see how living on a nice island can be so horrid :P
15:53.25CosmicPenguinI can't get crap for seafood, very few people wear bikinis and the local booze is Coors Light
15:53.37CosmicPenguinOf course, I do get seasons... which is nice
15:54.25sorphinCosmicPenguin: seafood here is eh.. bikikis.. people seem to wear them, that need not... and local booze is of course any anheiser-busch product :P
15:54.39CosmicPenguinExactly
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15:55.12chouimatmmmm tasty beer and bikini
15:55.46sorphinchouimat: stop dreamin about KDE and go back to sleep
15:55.46prpplaguehehe
15:56.00sorphintho
15:56.05sorphinif dave moves back to TX
15:56.05chouimatsorphin: {_|_}
15:56.25prpplaguechouimat: cute
15:56.28sorphinno more fresh seafood
15:56.32sorphinno more bikinis
15:56.37sorphinand no more good booze
15:56.42chouimatprpplague: need cofffee
15:56.54sorphinchouimat: i don't even wanna know what that was
15:57.04CosmicPenguinchouimat might need to escape to the islands if the fd.o guys figure out where he lives
15:57.15chouimatCosmicPenguin: LOL
15:57.31prpplaguesorphin: hehe well, there are trade offs, very little beef here, only about 10 beers available, and the computer gadgets are limited
15:57.46CosmicPenguinyou can order gadgets via the internet
15:58.03prpplagueCosmicPenguin: fd.o ?
15:58.25sorphinprpplague: and in the states, you'll get more $ from AML for more toys ;)
15:59.10sorphinyou musta really impressed them
15:59.59sorphinprpplague: iirc, fd.o is freedesktop.org
16:00.16prpplaguesorphin: hehe, yea, well, i'm not the best embedded linux guy by a long shot, but i'm like a pitbull about projects, once i sink my teeth into a project i don't let go till its done
16:00.21prpplaguesorphin: ahh
16:00.55prpplaguesorphin: i think there were used to having 9-to-5'ers
16:01.32sorphinwouldn't be broke all the time
16:01.53prpplaguesorphin: doesn't matter your budget expands to your income
16:02.09sorphinactually
16:02.15prpplaguesorphin: hehe, i'm always broke
16:02.18sorphinit wouldn't as much as you think
16:02.22sorphinwe already have the house
16:02.26sorphinand our cars
16:02.38sorphin'we'd just have more breathing room than now
16:02.54sorphinwhere i have just over $200/check left, and that runs out relatively fast
16:04.08sorphinon expensive things like gas for my car, heh
16:06.45sorphinpb_: how much is petrol over there atm?
16:07.27pb_85p/litre?  something like that.
16:07.32sorphinwell hell
16:07.44sorphinthat's cheaper than it was when i was over in 2000
16:07.54sorphinby 4 pence
16:08.06pb_depends where in the country you fill up, of course
16:08.35pb_that's at my local service station, but some places are much more expensive
16:09.01sorphinwell, if my math is right
16:09.25sorphinit's more expensive than here still
16:09.39sorphin3.21 UKP/gallon
16:10.17ade|deskpb_:91.9p here in norfolk
16:10.37pb_ade|desk: crumbs
16:10.55sorphinade|desk: wotcher
16:11.03ade|deskpb_: where is your local ?
16:11.07ade|desklo sorphin
16:11.09pb_ade|desk: in my village
16:11.16ade|deskpb_: named?
16:11.19pb_Histon
16:11.40ade|deskeven milton tescos is nearly 91p
16:11.59sorphinah, tescos
16:13.22pb_I guess it's possible that the price has gone up lately and I just haven't noticed.
16:13.47sorphinpb_: but you know your way around an ARM :)
16:15.37ade|deskhuntington tescos isn't too bad
16:17.40ade|deskright home time...
16:29.54sorphinCosmicPenguin: here, since you don't like the green shirt
16:30.12sorphinhttp://www.cafepress.com/workingsucks.12915297
16:31.42sorphinkergoth: sup chrissy
16:34.30kergothhey
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16:42.45sorphinkergoth: what's up?
16:43.00kergothwaking up
16:43.01kergothyou?
16:43.01kergothheh
16:50.59prpplaguekergoth: hey
17:02.02sorphinkergoth: not waking up and that's the prob
17:02.14sorphingoing in at 2pm to be evaluated for a sleep study
17:05.54prpplaguekergoth: living in a box yet?
17:09.06cbrake_awaynick cbrake
17:09.17cbrake_awayoops!
17:10.09sorphinprpplague: that's what his crossfire is, innit?
17:10.11sorphin;)
17:11.11cbrakehmm, this broadcom phy has a register that tells you the ethernet cable length -- neat!
17:12.49prpplaguecbrake: shhhh, don't let ppl know about that, else women are gonna want to add that option as a brain implaint for men, hehe
17:13.49prpplagueCosmicPenguin: every used a cf card without a partition table?
17:15.29CosmicPenguinREORG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
17:15.32CosmicPenguineverybody dance!
17:15.40CosmicPenguinprpplague: no - that would be difficult
17:16.09Crofton_sorry to har that CP
17:16.16CosmicPenguinprpplague: if you are using your own interface layer then its not big thing, but big OSes like Linux would be angry
17:17.18cbrakeprpplague: heh, well, we don't want that.  Would no doubt mean more spam -- seems to be a common theme these days :-(
17:18.12prpplagueCosmicPenguin: yea, seems redhat is pushing that
17:18.23prpplagueCosmicPenguin: one of the devices i just got has no parition tables
17:18.26prpplagueCosmicPenguin: all fs
17:18.34CosmicPenguinhmm... that is interesting though
17:18.40kergothprpplague: a bunch of people in the zaurus community have been using cf cards without partition tables with no problem.  just a matter of ensuring that the correct device is mounted.
17:18.41CosmicPenguinRH has a patch for that, I suppose then?
17:18.58kergothmount /dev/hda ..
17:18.59prpplagueCosmicPenguin: seems mount with no problems
17:18.59CosmicPenguinduhhh....
17:18.59kergothheh
17:19.04CosmicPenguinyeah - what he said
17:19.10kergoth:)
17:19.11CosmicPenguinSorry, my head isn't in it right now
17:19.11prpplaguehehe
17:19.16kergothits okay, its monday
17:19.21prpplagueCosmicPenguin: whats the poop on the reorg?
17:19.30CosmicPenguinLinux team go buh-bye
17:19.37prpplaguewhat?
17:19.44prpplagueCosmicPenguin: you out of a job?
17:20.31CosmicPenguinNo, but the teams are all mixing and matching
17:20.41Crofton_hmm, guess I don't need to worry about buying AMD then :)
17:20.47prpplaguekergoth: whats the benefit of not using a partition table on the cf?
17:21.02prpplagueCosmicPenguin: so what about you?
17:21.06Crofton_cn't be true, CP, nothing on /.
17:21.10CosmicPenguinprpplague: 4066 more bytes... :)
17:21.20CosmicPenguinerr... 4096
17:21.23prpplagueCosmicPenguin: haha
17:21.41CosmicPenguinprpplague: me, I'm on a new team, but I'm probably going to lose all of my kernel maintainer responsiblities
17:21.57CosmicPenguinAnd I have a new boss
17:22.18cbrakeprpplague: may also be compatible with the way windows formats cards?
17:22.20CosmicPenguinSo a year and a half's worth of work gone buh-bye
17:23.03CosmicPenguinThe problem is, its hard to know from software how a CF is organized
17:23.37CosmicPenguinWe need a cfmount app that checks for a valid partition first
17:24.29kergothCosmicPenguin: well, any intelligent hotplug/automount script would look at what partitions exist when deciding what to mount..
17:24.40kergothif it doesnt, its just plain broker
17:24.42kergothbroken, too
17:24.45CosmicPenguinI suppose
17:24.58CosmicPenguinstill, I say, either partition or don't
17:25.37sorphinCrofton__|laptop: /. is 2 days behind and usually has 2 dupes before then too
17:25.45Crofton_heh
17:25.58prpplaguekergoth: so if no paritions are present? try to mount the based dev?
17:26.00CosmicPenguindamn it all to hell too - I worked up a new kernel release plan over the weekend too
17:26.34kergothprpplague: yep.  worst case it fails to mount (i.e. no filesystem).
17:26.40kergoththats how i'd do it, anyway
17:27.12CosmicPenguinI spose you would have the same issues with any removable media
17:30.40prpplaguewell, i was just curious, i'd never seen that before
17:31.07prpplaguethey are shipping with a 128mb cf card packed with some sort of rhat bastardization
17:31.14prpplaguemy version is just 8mb
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17:59.33prpplagueCosmicPenguin: "geode by nsc" ?
17:59.43prpplaguenational semiconductor?
18:00.15CosmicPenguinyep
18:00.25CosmicPenguinwhere did you read that?
18:00.34prpplagueCosmicPenguin: /proc/cpuinfo
18:00.38CosmicPenguinheh
18:00.52CosmicPenguinyeah - thats in the processor you know
18:01.05CosmicPenguinwe talked about changing it in our BIOS or newer code, but I'm against that
18:01.43CosmicPenguinI think old versions of SC1200 say Citrix, actually
18:01.50CosmicPenguinThese things happen when processors outlive their company
18:01.57prpplagueinteresting, system boots up fine, then runs for about 60secs and then reboots
18:02.12CosmicPenguinGX1?
18:02.20prpplagueCosmicPenguin: don't know
18:02.25prpplagueCosmicPenguin: easy way to tell?
18:02.33CosmicPenguin/proc/info
18:02.40CosmicPenguinshould tell you the stepping and type?
18:02.55CosmicPenguinerr..
18:02.58CosmicPenguinfamily, model and stepping
18:03.22prpplague/proc/info?
18:03.41CosmicPenguinOk, I'm having a really crappy day today, so cut me a lot of slack
18:03.44CosmicPenguin/proc/cpuinfo
18:04.30prpplaguehehe
18:04.34prpplaguenp
18:05.11prpplaguestepping 1 ?
18:05.26CosmicPenguinOk
18:05.28CosmicPenguinfamily and model?
18:05.36prpplague5 and 9
18:06.56CosmicPenguin9?
18:07.26prpplaguethats what it says
18:07.57CosmicPenguinWow
18:07.58prpplagueprocessor       : 0
18:07.58prpplaguevendor_id       : Geode by NSC
18:07.58prpplaguecpu family      : 5
18:07.58prpplaguemodel           : 9
18:07.58prpplaguemodel name      : Unknown
18:07.58prpplaguestepping        : 1
18:08.01prpplaguecpu MHz         : 266.681
18:08.03prpplague]
18:08.11CosmicPenguinOk - we'll, its probably a GX1
18:08.41prpplagueCosmicPenguin: any reason you thing of for the system to keep rebooting?
18:08.55CosmicPenguinYeah, probably the clock bug
18:08.55CosmicPenguinThere'
18:09.04CosmicPenguins a overflow issue in the TSC clock
18:09.10prpplaguei see
18:09.17prpplagueso i need a kernel patch?
18:09.26CosmicPenguinWouldn't hurt
18:09.33prpplaguelovely
18:09.39prpplagueurl?
18:09.46CosmicPenguinhah
18:09.48CosmicPenguinyeah right
18:10.01CosmicPenguindon't make me laugh
18:10.41prpplaguehehe
18:11.52CosmicPenguin+     __asm__ __volatile__("rdtsc" : "=a" (low), "=d" (high)); \
18:11.52CosmicPenguin+    if ((unsigned long) low > 0xFFFFFFFC) high--
18:12.02CosmicPenguininclude/asm-i386/msr.h
18:12.13prpplagueCosmicPenguin: thats it?
18:12.16CosmicPenguinreplace the rdtsc definition with that
18:12.19CosmicPenguinand see if it works
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18:13.53prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hmm, for 2.4 kernel, what processor type should i use for best performance?
18:14.04CosmicPenguini486
18:14.20CosmicPenguinOr download our GX patch and use that
18:14.34CosmicPenguin2.6 has GX/GX1 support built in
18:15.17CosmicPenguinprpplague: going to play some disc golf and lunch
18:15.20CosmicPenguincatch you when I get back
18:15.27prpplagueCosmicPenguin: ok thanks for the help
18:44.27prpplagueCosmicPenguin: lovely, yet another company shipping linux on their devices, and not a drop of source
18:47.22prpplaguethis is cute - http://windowsmarketplace.com/specs.aspx?itemId=1003387&stext=
18:48.08WingnutMagnet was loose at El. Motor.  Replaced motor. Z-axis vibe complete. Needs 1 cycle of burn-in.  Turn on @ 0130.  The Unit makes a knocking sound  at 0,90,180 and 270 degrees when elevation is set at -80 to -105 degrees. This anomaly seems to be on all the Units. This is probably just the way the Unit works, but have Eng. check it out just in case.. (RD)
18:48.13Wingnutbah
18:49.04kergothheh
18:50.35prpplaguekergoth: hehe, you see that post of windowsmarketplace?
18:54.26TheCollectorWingnut: you aren't gonna have to kill us cause we saw that, right? ;)
18:55.59Wingnutdon't think so
18:56.03TheCollectorgood
18:56.08WingnutI also don't think I like this new ssh client...
18:56.22TheCollectorwindows client?
18:56.28Wingnutyeah
18:56.46TheCollectortried cygwin + ssh?
18:57.02Wingnuthaven't had time yet
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19:24.16CosmicPenguinprpplague: why is that barcode cute?
19:24.16kergothfor windows ssh, either cygwin openssh or putty are the best bet
19:26.12CosmicPenguinCome join us in the break room on Wednesday, July 27th at 2:30pm - to
19:26.12CosmicPenguincelebrate Armstrong and Tour de France.
19:26.13CosmicPenguinhehe!
19:26.18CosmicPenguinthats the best part about having sponsorships
19:28.49prpplagueCosmicPenguin: url is "windowsmarketplace.com" , did you see what os it is running?
19:29.16CosmicPenguinOh, heh
19:29.18CosmicPenguindidn't catch that
19:29.49prpplagueiee is sorta giving me the run around
19:30.13prpplaguei asked for all patches and changes they made to the linux kernel as well as the config file and patches they used for x
19:30.44Crofton_Bugger, did they celebrate Paolo Savoldelli winning the Giro?
19:30.52CosmicPenguinI'm sure they're going to give you big trouble
19:30.54CosmicPenguinCrofton_: heh - no
19:31.04Crofton_How about George Hincapie's win this spring, or his second in Paris Roubaix
19:31.16prpplagueCosmicPenguin: you are sure?
19:31.16CosmicPenguinCrofton_: no - but we did celebrate Ferarri winning last year
19:31.27CosmicPenguinOk, I'm not sure
19:31.49Crofton_Well, you have a lot more to celebrate than they are letting on :)
19:32.09CosmicPenguinI know
19:32.28CosmicPenguinBut its cake, and thats good enough for me
19:33.52Crofton_If Georhe wins Paris Roubaix, you guys should have a kegger :)
19:34.04Crofton_s/George/Georhe/
19:36.47prpplaguefunny read - http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/ThinGuy?entry=the_war_on_terror_as
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19:46.48CosmicPenguinHeh
19:47.06CosmicPenguinmy mission of being an average employee lasted about an hour and a half, and most of that was lunch
19:47.14CosmicPenguin~lart me
19:47.20CosmicPenguinI wish somebody would
19:47.26fileapparently one of my friends was at OLS...
19:47.38filesomeone fill me in on what happened with the raffle
19:47.53CosmicPenguinWas there an issue?
19:48.00filehe's telling me...
19:48.39fileat the Intel sponsered reception, there was supposed to be a raffle/giveaway for some laptops/phones/palms/etc.
19:48.40prpplagueCosmicPenguin: what happened now?
19:48.46fileThey gave everyone a ticket at the door (that they took from a bag - pre-ripped and all)...
19:48.51fileAnd then when the raffle started, he started calling out humbers (must have been at least 50 numbers called) before he gave up and went on to trivia...
19:48.58fileANd all his trivia was "Linus" related..., so guess who got all the prizes...
19:49.07CosmicPenguinfile: oh - at the opening thing
19:49.07CosmicPenguinyeah
19:49.07fileAll the people who are linus's friends, and helped him move, etc...
19:49.21CosmicPenguinI bailed before he started doing that
19:49.24CosmicPenguinIt was intel
19:49.30CosmicPenguinso I realy didn't care... :)
19:49.38filewe got permission to give away T1 cards at Cluecon...
19:49.40fileone for every day
20:07.13CosmicPenguinThe best part about the Intel thing was this guy did this huge speech on how much Intel loved linux, blah, blah
20:07.22CosmicPenguingave numbers, figures, etc, etc.
20:07.38CosmicPenguinPresentation ends, he gets off the stage, screen goes black, and boom - back to the OS - Windows
20:07.48CosmicPenguinCrowd goes nuts
20:08.30prpplaguehehe
20:08.39Crofton_not nuts in a good way :)
20:08.43CosmicPenguinno
20:08.49CosmicPenguinboos, cat calls, the whole nine yards
20:09.15CosmicPenguinSo they quickly switch to the IBM guy's laptop, its linux and the crowd applauds
20:10.21Crofton_Any exciting developments at OLS?
20:10.29CosmicPenguinOh, yeah
20:10.33CosmicPenguinfun stuff
20:10.39CosmicPenguinXen is way frickin sexy
20:10.54Crofton_I need to go next yeat
20:11.15CosmicPenguinI still think that TWIN was the coolest thing I saw
20:11.17Crofton_sounds like a good way to understand all this crap I don't otherwise have time to figure out
20:11.24CosmicPenguinMan, kiethp is one smart son of a bitch
20:11.30CosmicPenguinkeithp even
20:11.31Crofton_can you get twin now?
20:12.24CosmicPenguinyep
20:12.27prpplagueCrofton_: i think we've just about decided that as many of #elinux as possible are going next year
20:12.41CosmicPenguinIf I still have a job writing Linux drivers that is
20:12.57prpplagueCrofton_: try to get as many ppl submitting presentations as possible
20:12.59CosmicPenguinhttp://keithp.com/blog/twin
20:14.11prpplagueT0mW: ping
20:14.16Crofton_no download link I can find
20:18.01CosmicPenguinTis in CVS my son
20:18.11CosmicPenguinI'm almost done with a XPM loader
20:18.23CosmicPenguinI'm gonna make a little OSD for the Alchemy part
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20:22.35CosmicPenguinOr at least thats my plan
20:22.48CosmicPenguinThe way I'm going these days, I'll be lucky to write a hello world
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20:59.56prpplagueargh, unresolved symbols
21:00.24CosmicPenguinvote time
21:00.50CosmicPenguinif you had a device with a MMC/SD slot on it - how important would it be to be able to boot from the MMC/SD slot
21:01.02CosmicPenguinvery important, not important, or quit talking to me you fat idiot?
21:01.31prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hehe, boot from it isn't as important as be able to read from it at the bootloader level
21:01.51prpplague__put_user_bad, what the hell is that?
21:02.15CosmicPenguinprpplague: heh - isnt' that the same thing? :)
21:02.53prpplagueCosmicPenguin: well sorta
21:03.13CosmicPenguinI think, that if you can read from it - booting is an after thought
21:05.29prpplagueCosmicPenguin: yea i guess you could say that
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21:22.39prpplaguehmm, put_user for arm doesn't support unsigned long int?
21:27.37CosmicPenguinDammit people
21:27.41CosmicPenguin~lart everybody
21:27.41prpplaguehmm, i'm only get 2k transfer rate
21:27.49prpplaguehehe
21:28.10CosmicPenguinThe apple campus is *NOT* missing from Microsoft Earth
21:28.16CosmicPenguinapparently, people don't understand the concept of time
21:28.18WingnutCosmicPenguin: booting from MMC/SD is semi-important
21:28.30MonMothaCosmicPenguin: no, their data is just fscking old
21:28.51CosmicPenguinWingnut: thanks
21:29.14WingnutCosmicPenguin: I would expect a bootloader on the device to be able to boot from it, or at least copy data from it to RAM
21:36.17CosmicPenguinToo bad you don't live in colorado, my wife could get you a machine.... :)
21:36.38CosmicPenguinI can't remember what they're called right now
21:36.43CosmicPenguinHow sad
21:37.04sorphinCosmicPenguin: oh, united healthcare will be footing that bill
21:37.23sorphinCosmicPenguin: if i lived in CO, i probably coudln't breathe at all w/ the thing air
21:37.37CosmicPenguinRight - but some health care company will be responsible for delivering and maintaining the thing
21:37.56CosmicPenguinYou have a better then 50% chance of it either being Praxair, Lincare or Rotech
21:38.00CosmicPenguinMy wife works for Rotech
21:38.13CosmicPenguinMy mother-in-law and brother-in-law work for Praxair
21:38.19sorphinCosmicPenguin: so you both can come visit st louis :P
21:38.26sorphinand she can bring it along ;)
21:38.30CosmicPenguinheh
21:38.32CosmicPenguinI don
21:38.38CosmicPenguin't think United Healthcare uses Rotech
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21:43.10sorphinwhat's she do for em?
21:43.50CosmicPenguinmanages a branch
21:44.28sorphinah
21:44.32sorphinsmall big cheese
21:46.52sorphinRussia's Biggest Spammer Brutally Murdered
21:46.57sorphinguess someone was tired of the spam
21:46.58sorphinheh
21:50.26CosmicPenguinI need to do something productive today
21:50.30CosmicPenguinso I'll clean my office
21:50.34MonMothaCosmicPenguin: like murder a spammer?
21:51.48sorphinMonMotha: the world would be a happier place if all spammers were hurded into 1 room and mass shocked
21:52.10MonMothasorphin: hum, you're right.  That's a lot cheaper than my idea: launching them into the sun
21:52.30sorphinMonMotha: you don't wanna contaminate the sun w/ them
21:53.41CosmicPenguinSpammers are like mosquitos - they evolved due to a avorable environment, but they have no apparent use
21:53.56CosmicPenguinahh, screw it
21:54.57sorphinCosmicPenguin: go home
21:57.40sorphindidn't see it
21:57.42sorphindidn't see it
21:57.45sorphinand now i look
21:57.47sorphinthere it is
21:57.48sorphindoh
22:13.11CosmicPenguinsucks to be you
22:14.11CosmicPenguinbuh-bye old job!
22:14.26MonMothathat's what I need...I giant whiteboard
22:18.29sorphinCosmicPenguin: so what's your new "title"?
22:18.44CosmicPenguinwhats lower then whale spit?
22:28.55sorphinlackey
22:28.59sorphinaka what sjhill is
22:29.01sorphin:)
22:29.12sorphin;is a lackey too, so..
22:43.14file[laptop]http://www.cluecon.com/
22:43.19file[laptop]look at what we're giving away :P
22:43.53sorphinheh
22:44.14sorphincool
22:44.19file[laptop]quite
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22:58.26CosmicPenguinI didn't even get my damn office cleaned
23:04.41CosmicPenguinIts raining too
23:04.43CosmicPenguindamn
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23:57.48sorphinTimRiker: evenin
23:58.59TimRikerevenin. hacking on the new house network.
23:59.19TimRikernot yet running right, but at least I'm online.

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