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| 02:14.29 | CP|AFK | mmm... beer |
| 02:24.14 | CosmicPenguin | drunk |
| 02:24.19 | CosmicPenguin | ish |
| 02:29.15 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:29.20 | sorphin | light weight |
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| 03:05.56 | file[laptop] | sorphin: I'm over here |
| 03:06.27 | sorphin | dammit |
| 03:06.30 | sorphin | stay in 1 place :P |
| 03:06.35 | file[laptop] | that's too easy |
| 03:06.39 | file[laptop] | gotta keep the feds on the move! |
| 03:10.13 | sorphin | now, as i said |
| 03:10.19 | sorphin | anything new in file's VoIP land? |
| 03:11.03 | file[laptop] | not particularly |
| 03:11.31 | file[laptop] | what are you up to? |
| 03:12.42 | CosmicPenguin | lightweight? |
| 03:12.44 | file[laptop] | if you look at djdoboy.com you'll find a complete list of the songs used in everything |
| 03:13.21 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: go drink 10 shots of tequila, then come talk to me ;) |
| 03:13.26 | sorphin | file[laptop]: k |
| 03:14.30 | CosmicPenguin | I can do 10 shots of tequila standing on my head |
| 03:14.36 | sorphin | damn, it's not in there, which means it was a remake or they sampled it |
| 03:15.39 | CosmicPenguin | Hehe - I got a t-shirt that says "Intel is the platform of choice for Linux and Open Source" |
| 03:15.44 | file[laptop] | hehe |
| 03:15.49 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: not this tequila, heh, granted, i still wasn't totally drunk, but it was hard to walk w/o bumping into things, and this was on an empty stomach.. i can't stand beer |
| 03:16.29 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I can drink a surprising amount of booze - I was a good ol' frat boy at one time, you know.... :) |
| 03:16.46 | sorphin | ah |
| 03:17.02 | sorphin | that explains alot about your personality ;) |
| 03:20.39 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 03:20.59 | CosmicPenguin | yeah - few fraternity boys make it into computers |
| 03:21.41 | CosmicPenguin | You seriously didn't know I was in a fraternity? |
| 03:21.54 | CosmicPenguin | Did you know that Stacee was in a sorority? Thats how we met |
| 03:22.06 | file[laptop] | what fraternity... |
| 03:22.08 | sorphin | file: ah ha |
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| 03:22.18 | CosmicPenguin | Sigma Phi Epsilon |
| 03:22.26 | file[laptop] | uh ... huh |
| 03:22.27 | sorphin | They sampled the beat from Robert Miles - Children |
| 03:22.44 | CosmicPenguin | Stacee was a Delta Delta Delta, can I help ya, help ya, help ya |
| 03:22.55 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: few frat boys retain enough brain cells to make it into what we do :P |
| 03:23.03 | CosmicPenguin | Heh |
| 03:23.07 | CosmicPenguin | You would be surprised |
| 03:23.13 | sorphin | you're the only one i've met |
| 03:23.22 | CosmicPenguin | I went to school with some really excellent folks |
| 03:24.30 | sorphin | where was it? |
| 03:24.51 | CosmicPenguin | You don't know where I went to school? |
| 03:25.49 | sorphin | i don't remember, no |
| 03:25.57 | sorphin | sorry if i don't remember your life history :P |
| 03:26.04 | CosmicPenguin | Heh |
| 03:26.06 | CosmicPenguin | I thought you knew |
| 03:26.08 | sorphin | oh wait... |
| 03:26.11 | sorphin | now i think i remember |
| 03:26.14 | sorphin | bring em young :P |
| 03:26.19 | CosmicPenguin | ohhh... |
| 03:26.25 | CosmicPenguin | them's fighting words |
| 03:26.28 | sorphin | hehe |
| 03:26.29 | CosmicPenguin | University of Utah |
| 03:26.50 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:26.56 | CosmicPenguin | I just found out today that cworth went to BYU |
| 03:27.00 | CosmicPenguin | poor bastard |
| 03:27.13 | sorphin | ah |
| 03:28.13 | CosmicPenguin | I don't hate many things in my life, but BYU is one of them |
| 03:28.47 | sorphin | nod |
| 03:28.57 | sorphin | you like century then? |
| 03:29.07 | sorphin | :P |
| 03:30.01 | CosmicPenguin | meh |
| 03:30.12 | sorphin | that's what i thought :P |
| 03:30.19 | CosmicPenguin | Its time for bed - I've got a full schedule tomorrow |
| 03:30.35 | sorphin | cya |
| 03:58.18 | chouimat | CP|Asleep: ping me tomorrow |
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| 04:27.21 | cdm | evening |
| 04:32.19 | sorphin | cdm: sup G |
| 04:35.15 | cdm | not much man. |
| 04:35.16 | cdm | hacking. |
| 04:43.25 | file | sorphin: http://file-radio.com/intranet ;) |
| 04:43.50 | kergoth | "Some people are like Slinkies. Not really good for anything, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs." |
| 04:45.26 | cdm | that rocks. |
| 04:45.28 | cdm | I love it. |
| 04:48.54 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 05:29.27 | sorphin | kergoth: a friend just sent me a very funny song |
| 05:30.21 | sorphin | file: heh, thought you had no windows :P |
| 05:33.53 | file[laptop] | :) |
| 05:34.28 | sorphin | kergoth: http://wibble.captainrock.com:8090/The_Internet_Is_For_Porn.mp3 |
| 05:34.39 | sorphin | file[laptop]: of course you can grab it too, heh |
| 05:34.51 | sorphin | file[laptop]: that's the place you work for, right? |
| 05:35.00 | file[laptop] | yes |
| 05:35.12 | sorphin | k |
| 05:35.23 | file[laptop] | and yes all the intranet sites are protected :) |
| 05:36.16 | file[laptop] | but you can do anythhing |
| 05:36.37 | file[laptop] | rather cool |
| 05:38.55 | sorphin | eh? |
| 05:39.23 | file | from 'da intranet |
| 05:39.49 | Russ | anyone know a good way to debug an ir transmitter? |
| 05:40.01 | sorphin | Russ: meaning debug how? |
| 05:40.13 | Russ | dunno, all I got now is that it isn't working |
| 05:40.27 | Russ | I have a receiver and a transmitter hooked up to a serial port |
| 05:40.29 | file[laptop] | evil evil sleep |
| 05:40.29 | Russ | the receiver works |
| 05:40.30 | andersee | Russ: last time I tried to debug such a problem I ended up stepping on the soldering iron |
| 05:40.37 | Russ | hahaha |
| 05:40.41 | andersee | Russ: give up now. You'll be glad you did |
| 05:40.41 | Russ | god, thats gotta suck |
| 05:40.42 | andersee | :-) |
| 05:40.57 | sorphin | andersee: ouch |
| 05:41.03 | Russ | when I use the serial port to turn it on, I get a 1.25V drop across the diode |
| 05:41.12 | sorphin | gotta love 500F |
| 05:41.18 | Russ | but when I try to send stuff with lirc, I get nothing |
| 05:43.05 | MonMotha | Russ: my guess is that it's not a hardware problem |
| 05:43.23 | MonMotha | I built a little IR blaster, worked fine...once I beat lirc over the head well enough |
| 05:45.40 | sorphin | yeah |
| 05:46.33 | MonMotha | lirc really is really overgrown |
| 05:46.39 | MonMotha | it's fscking network enabled |
| 05:48.31 | Russ | haha |
| 05:48.37 | Russ | actually, it looks like I can't send codes to myself |
| 05:48.48 | Russ | I like the network enabled feature... |
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| 07:37.08 | fog_proxy | Hi all.does anyone have experence of such a problem?I do reboot on my embeded linux,and it can works;but if I execute it after a flash erase,it fails.Any idea? |
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| 08:40.46 | deepan | i am not able to ping a computer that does not run any firewall now.. ( it had before) .. the system is up.. how do allow ping .. |
| 09:00.40 | Russ | eh? |
| 09:01.38 | deepan | how do i insert a rule in iptables to accept all |
| 09:01.49 | Russ | set it as the policy |
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| 12:49.16 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
| 12:59.54 | sorphin | who you callin ho? ho! |
| 13:00.49 | prpplague | sorphin: i'm so far behind on work |
| 13:01.37 | sorphin | "Hi all.does anyone have experence of such a problem?I do reboot on |
| 13:01.37 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:01.39 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:01.40 | sorphin | well duh |
| 13:01.46 | sorphin | you just erased it |
| 13:01.51 | sorphin | and you ask why it won't boot |
| 13:01.53 | sorphin | ...... |
| 13:03.25 | sorphin | and i don't see the firewall question as an embedded specific question either, heh |
| 13:03.57 | prpplague | sorphin: hehe |
| 13:04.20 | sorphin | prpplague: as far as the work... drink more beer.. you'll catch up eventually |
| 13:04.29 | prpplague | sorphin: don't think so |
| 13:05.02 | prpplague | sorphin: i'm having a serious case of inferiority complexe, i'll always 3 steps behind everyone else |
| 13:06.03 | sorphin | heh |
| 13:06.15 | sorphin | i'll be there with you :P |
| 13:07.08 | prpplague | sorphin: don't you hate it when relatives spam your email address? |
| 13:07.58 | sorphin | i don't have that issue, thankfully |
| 13:08.11 | sorphin | no relative of mine a) have my email address, b) even have email |
| 13:08.23 | sorphin | cept my mom, and she's not that stupid |
| 13:09.51 | prpplague | sorphin: i gave an aunt my email to send me some photos and now she's forwarding all those crappy emails to me |
| 13:10.51 | sorphin | ah, one of missy's best friends does similar... thankfully they're not too often, and they go in their own folder.. |
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| 13:28.01 | sorphin | T0mW: moin tommy |
| 13:29.09 | prpplague | T0mW: hey hey |
| 13:29.30 | prpplague | T0mW: the philips stuff you were doing, were you communicating between the two chips using i2c? |
| 13:37.43 | T0mW | prpplague: no, I will simply be using the TX0/RX0 serial ports of each processor. |
| 13:37.56 | T0mW | sorphin: morning |
| 13:38.05 | prpplague | T0mW: ahh |
| 13:38.20 | prpplague | T0mW: every done i2c slave with a pic or avr? |
| 13:38.38 | T0mW | naw |
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| 13:39.10 | T0mW | prpplague: I wanted to leave the esoteric hardware for possible future use elsewhere. |
| 13:39.20 | CP|OLS | morning to all |
| 13:39.36 | T0mW | prpplague: besides, Dave, K(eep) I(t) S(imple) S(tupid) |
| 13:39.49 | T0mW | ;-) |
| 13:39.51 | prpplague | CP|OLS: moring |
| 13:40.33 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, just that the zipit is using i2c , was just thinking about using a pic in slave mode to handle some addition i/o |
| 13:41.07 | T0mW | prpplague: ah, did you guys get more files from zipit people? |
| 13:41.29 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe no |
| 13:41.41 | prpplague | T0mW: but they did respond to linuxdevices.com |
| 13:41.46 | T0mW | prpplague: I finally asked the Sicom POS people for the kernel + GPL sources. They haven't complied yet... |
| 13:42.27 | T0mW | prpplague: they seem to be in a tither about the fact that I want to change "thier" equipment |
| 13:42.49 | T0mW | like add nfs to the kernel and ntp to the system |
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| 13:43.30 | CP|OLS | http://tinyurl.com/au2zx |
| 13:43.36 | CP|OLS | That looks cute - too bad the website link is down |
| 13:43.43 | T0mW | prpplague: they built everthing into a monolithic kernel, there are no modules... |
| 13:44.29 | prpplague | CP|OLS: hehe you getting into media centers? |
| 13:44.33 | prpplague | T0mW: lovely |
| 13:44.42 | T0mW | CP|OLS: ok, pretty, but what does it do? |
| 13:44.42 | CP|OLS | I've always been into them, really |
| 13:44.49 | CP|OLS | Of course, the Geode is well positioned for that space |
| 13:44.52 | CP|OLS | at least I think it is |
| 13:45.04 | CP|OLS | So I keep my eyes out for new designs |
| 13:45.17 | prpplague | T0mW: http://www.linuxdevices.com/cgi-bin/board/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=talkbacks&Post=408&Idle=0&Sort=0&Order=Descend&Page=0&Session= |
| 13:45.30 | prpplague | CP|OLS: yea |
| 13:47.13 | prpplague | lordy i've got a ton of work to do |
| 13:47.26 | T0mW | prpplague: heh: "i wasn't aware that the GPL and LGPL had a section stating you could make the code available \"when you get around to it\"" |
| 13:47.26 | CP|OLS | So get crackin'... :) |
| 13:47.51 | sorphin | hehe |
| 13:47.53 | CP|OLS | Its the little known "Ahh, mom - I'll do it tommorrow" clause.. :) |
| 13:48.20 | CP|OLS | I just realized that I wouldn't know sjhill if he came up and bit me |
| 13:48.24 | CP|OLS | sorphin: do you have a picture? |
| 13:48.45 | prpplague | T0mW: too much? |
| 13:48.45 | sorphin | CP|OLS: no, but he does, on his very own website, iirc |
| 13:50.01 | T0mW | prpplague: nope |
| 13:50.15 | CP|OLS | heh |
| 13:50.22 | CP|OLS | Thats a cute baby |
| 13:50.44 | sorphin | CP|OLS: found em eh? |
| 13:50.48 | CP|OLS | yeah |
| 13:50.49 | CP|OLS | thanks |
| 13:50.52 | sorphin | yea, the 3 of em were at my wedding |
| 13:50.53 | T0mW | prpplague: same situation seems to be developing with Sicom. I've had no direct response to my request for GPL source LGPL objects. |
| 13:51.02 | sorphin | baby was very very quiet |
| 13:51.47 | sorphin | couldnt' stay for the whole reception, had to get to quincy, IL, but it was very nice of them to come, given it was the 1st time i've ever met him in person |
| 13:52.02 | CP|OLS | heh - I couldn't remember his website, so I typed diluted reality into Google, and his page was the first one |
| 13:52.08 | sorphin | yeah |
| 13:52.17 | T0mW | prpplague: I've been doing perl DBI for the past week, bleah. :P |
| 13:52.26 | sorphin | well, his version of reality is fairly diluted :) |
| 13:52.41 | sorphin | it's all that MIPS in his head |
| 13:52.50 | CP|OLS | Not diluted - simple |
| 13:53.02 | CP|OLS | RISC is the path, oh grasshopper |
| 13:53.41 | sorphin | "RISC is gonna change everything.. Yeah.. RISC is good".. you sound like you came from Hackers :P |
| 13:53.48 | prpplague | T0mW: lovely |
| 13:54.04 | prpplague | T0mW: i've been tryuing toput the final touches on this bsp so it get released |
| 13:54.13 | prpplague | T0mW: gotta do a sd/mmc module today |
| 13:54.21 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah, well, it is good to keep at perl, always something new to learn |
| 13:54.37 | T0mW | prpplague: 2.4 or 2.6 kernel? |
| 13:54.45 | CP|OLS | http://www.ibiblio.org/apollo/ |
| 13:54.45 | sorphin | T0mW: my damn Triacs show up today, heh |
| 13:54.48 | CP|OLS | Now *thats* geeky |
| 13:55.15 | prpplague | T0mW: 2.4 |
| 13:55.23 | CP|OLS | Heh - a huge group of Intelers just sat down next to me |
| 13:55.44 | prpplague | CP|OLS: hehe |
| 13:56.15 | T0mW | CP|OLS: yeah, but who wants to program something that resembles a large RPN calculator? |
| 13:56.37 | prpplague | CP|OLS: on the apollo 8 mission, my relative accidental erased a section of memory for navigation, they had to re-enter the memory by hand as the ground controllers called the values out of the radio |
| 13:57.16 | CP|OLS | Heh - really? |
| 13:57.33 | CP|OLS | Thats something to mention at the family reunion |
| 13:57.46 | sorphin | CP|OLS: heh, wanna set up your own intersections? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6547634907&category=95147&rd=1 |
| 13:57.47 | T0mW | prpplague: looks like the Philips LPC job might go through! Customer called last night and left a message that he needs "to finalize the details so we can get it done" |
| 13:58.05 | CP|OLS | lord - have you seen moon.google.com |
| 13:58.40 | sorphin | prpplague: leave it to your family to muck up the space program :P |
| 13:58.46 | prpplague | sorphin: hehe |
| 13:58.53 | T0mW | sorphin: IMHO, they are taking this map thing too far |
| 13:59.17 | sorphin | prpplague: anything else throughout history your family has been into? :P |
| 13:59.20 | sorphin | T0mW: hehe |
| 13:59.29 | prpplague | sorphin: what have we not? |
| 13:59.35 | sorphin | stalking.google.com is next |
| 13:59.43 | prpplague | sorphin: my family has always been into science and exploration |
| 14:00.18 | sorphin | came over on the mayflower too did ya? :P |
| 14:00.37 | T0mW | prpplague: I grew up at the intersection of these two roads on that farm: http://tinyurl.com/e26eo |
| 14:01.19 | prpplague | sorphin: hehe, no mostly during the irish potato famin |
| 14:01.36 | prpplague | T0mW: wow nice pic |
| 14:01.53 | T0mW | prpplague: new jersey, of course it would be hi-res |
| 14:02.09 | sorphin | that url i pasted to CP|OLS is 20 pallets of traffic equipment |
| 14:02.12 | sorphin | erm |
| 14:02.13 | sorphin | 28 |
| 14:02.15 | sorphin | scary |
| 14:02.28 | T0mW | prpplague: we moved down the street when I was 10 (mid picture) |
| 14:06.08 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:06.14 | CP|OLS | chouimat: morning |
| 14:06.32 | chouimat | CP|OLS: sorry I missed you last night ... |
| 14:06.39 | CP|OLS | No worries |
| 14:06.44 | CP|OLS | How was the Vineyard? |
| 14:07.17 | chouimat | CP|OLS: fun ... closed for a private party :) and drinking beer with rasterman was kind of fun |
| 14:08.05 | CP|OLS | I heard someplace that he partied hardy |
| 14:09.10 | chouimat | CP|OLS: :) now I'm teaching some people what sarcasm is because it seems they need to be show what it is |
| 14:10.00 | prpplague | CP|OLS: hehe, where did you go? |
| 14:10.07 | CP|OLS | The Pour House |
| 14:10.29 | prpplague | CP|OLS: good beer? |
| 14:11.07 | CP|OLS | yeah, it was ok |
| 14:11.11 | CP|OLS | Lots of Guniness |
| 14:11.21 | CP|OLS | Some Stella Artois too |
| 14:11.41 | prpplague | CP|OLS: stella isn't that bad |
| 14:28.41 | prpplague | T0mW: think i can bitbang spi going through i2c to a gpio expander? |
| 14:29.28 | CP|OLS | isn't there any way you can throw another bus in there? |
| 14:29.44 | prpplague | CP|OLS: nope |
| 14:29.46 | CP|OLS | Maybe Zigbee to a remote PCI bridge? |
| 14:30.38 | prpplague | CP|OLS: i2c is the only option |
| 14:31.11 | CP|OLS | I was joking |
| 14:31.16 | prpplague | hehe,oh |
| 14:35.01 | T0mW | prpplague: isn't MicroWire the same as SPI ? |
| 14:35.23 | T0mW | prpplague: DataIN, DataOUT + Clock? |
| 14:35.50 | prpplague | T0mW: no spi uses 4 wires, datain, dataout, clock, chipselect |
| 14:35.58 | T0mW | same thing |
| 14:36.08 | T0mW | chip select is optional |
| 14:36.13 | prpplague | T0mW: no |
| 14:36.23 | prpplague | T0mW: spi doesn't use any addressing |
| 14:36.25 | T0mW | well, required if you have more than 1 |
| 14:36.32 | prpplague | T0mW: right |
| 14:36.34 | T0mW | heh |
| 14:36.57 | prpplague | T0mW: but i2c only uses 2 wires |
| 14:37.14 | T0mW | I bit-bang MicroWire, e.g. 93C46 serial EEPROMs |
| 14:37.53 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, but i'm going from i2c to a gpio which then is gonna bitbang spi |
| 14:38.33 | prpplague | T0mW: therorectical it should work, but i suspect there might be timming issues |
| 14:39.55 | CP|OLS | You won't get the best speed, thats for sure |
| 14:39.57 | prpplague | T0mW: http://www.i2cchip.com/mix_spi_i2c.html |
| 14:40.02 | prpplague | CP|OLS: yea |
| 14:40.03 | T0mW | timing might not be the issue. One thing about MicroWire was that you had to throw it some dead clocks to initialize the interface on the slave (no Chip Select) |
| 14:40.21 | chouimat | CP|OLS: interesting so far? |
| 14:40.24 | prpplague | T0mW: according to that page, i could use the same i2c to bit bang sopi |
| 14:40.25 | prpplague | spi |
| 14:42.13 | T0mW | prpplague: if you can wiggle the pins and read another, you can do spi |
| 14:42.21 | CP|OLS | chouimat: meh |
| 14:42.53 | prpplague | T0mW: well that page explains it then, i should be able to do spi as long as i do the code properly |
| 14:43.04 | chouimat | CP|OLS: :) |
| 14:43.36 | CP|OLS | Wait - I don't understand |
| 14:43.45 | prpplague | ok, then hardware problem solved |
| 14:43.53 | prpplague | just need to start coding |
| 14:43.55 | T0mW | prpplague: the only caveat is that if it don't work at first, try cycling the clock line a few times to clock the external slaves into an idle state. you'd do this without chip selecting them: dead clocks |
| 14:43.56 | CP|OLS | I thought he was going to talk across I2C to a device that expanded GPIO pins which would then bitbang SPI |
| 14:44.21 | prpplague | CP|OLS: yes that was what i was saying at first |
| 14:44.22 | T0mW | prpplague: 93c46 had that issue |
| 14:44.32 | prpplague | CP|OLS: but i just found that page with the howto |
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| 14:44.48 | CP|OLS | Oh |
| 14:45.05 | T0mW | CP|OLS: that's what I thought too |
| 14:45.18 | T0mW | CP|OLS: wormhole |
| 14:46.11 | prpplague | T0mW / CP|OLS : if i can work the software and use the i2c bus to do spi, i'd rather do that |
| 14:46.28 | CP|OLS | definately |
| 14:49.32 | prpplague | hehe, http://www.bipom.com/periph_boards.shtm |
| 14:49.39 | prpplague | mmc/rtc board |
| 14:49.47 | prpplague | exactly what i'm talking about doing |
| 14:49.52 | prpplague | i2c based as well |
| 14:51.28 | CP|OLS | heh |
| 14:51.34 | CP|OLS | sounds like an infomercial |
| 14:51.44 | CP|OLS | "Its a MMC/SD slot - but wait, there's more" |
| 14:52.02 | CP|OLS | "If you act now, we'll throw in a RTC for free - thats a 3 dollar value!!!!" |
| 14:53.28 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:04.48 | CP|OLS | ~lart fujitsu |
| 15:08.09 | CP|OLS | ~lart fujitsu |
| 15:08.34 | CP|OLS | oops - sorry |
| 15:20.04 | prpplague | T0mW: hmm, i can use the two lines for the i2c but i'd still need two more for the chip select and the datain |
| 15:20.21 | T0mW | :) |
| 15:22.13 | Crofton__|laptop | CP|OLS, another good day for AMD on the rear end guys! |
| 15:23.24 | prpplague | T0mW: i'm beginning to think using the pcf8574 and bitbanging spi might be a better choice |
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| 15:32.40 | CP|Laptop | note to self - kill name before turning off laptop |
| 15:32.46 | Crofton__|laptop | heh |
| 15:33.02 | Crofton__|laptop | You see my comment about another good day for the guys with AMD on their rear |
| 15:33.32 | Crofton__|laptop | heh |
| 15:33.50 | prpplague | ugh, jameco has changed their website yet again |
| 15:34.39 | CP|Laptop | Crofton__|laptop: heh no |
| 15:34.50 | CP|Laptop | But yeah, things are looking good |
| 15:35.01 | Crofton__|laptop | good bang for your buck this year |
| 15:35.14 | CP|Laptop | There was a good article about Armstrong's technology being the key to his success |
| 15:35.19 | Crofton__|laptop | and I am not talking about from the guy all the American have heard about |
| 15:35.25 | Crofton__|laptop | yeah |
| 15:35.26 | CP|Laptop | Mentioned how AMD technology helped them design the bikes |
| 15:35.52 | Crofton__|laptop | I'll go buy an AMD cpu because George won a stage |
| 15:36.00 | CP|Laptop | Oh, he won today? |
| 15:36.09 | Crofton__|laptop | and another becasue Paolo won today |
| 15:36.19 | Crofton__|laptop | George won Sunday, huge win for him |
| 15:36.21 | CP|Laptop | Hehe - reminds me of a Simpsons episode |
| 15:36.39 | CP|Laptop | They go into Shelbyville, and they assign themselves team names |
| 15:36.50 | CP|Laptop | And Martin's team is "Team Discovery Channel" |
| 15:36.58 | Crofton__|laptop | heh |
| 15:37.28 | Crofton__|laptop | What would be a good dual CPU motherboard thingy with AMD CPU's? |
| 15:40.05 | CP|Laptop | Depends on who you like |
| 15:40.48 | Crofton__|laptop | tell me who I shuld like if I am in the store with surplus cash :) |
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| 15:43.13 | CP|Laptop | Crofton__|laptop: heh |
| 15:43.19 | CP|Laptop | Crofton__|laptop: Opterons or Athlon 64? |
| 15:43.35 | Crofton__|laptop | heh |
| 15:43.42 | Crofton__|laptop | just drop some names |
| 15:44.01 | Crofton__|laptop | to a potential customer swelling with goodwill due to AMD's investment in cycing :) |
| 15:44.22 | CP|Laptop | MSI has always been good |
| 15:44.29 | Crofton__|laptop | they just interviewed the winner on TV and he speaks no English |
| 15:44.31 | CP|Laptop | We use Tyan boards in our dual opteron servers |
| 15:44.31 | Crofton__|laptop | thanks |
| 15:45.00 | CP|Laptop | If you want a laptop, consider the livestrong.. :) |
| 15:45.09 | Crofton__|laptop | heh |
| 15:46.02 | prpplague | hmm, about the max rate i could get out of using the i2c through a pcf8574 is about 100kbit/sec |
| 15:49.56 | prpplague | which isn't too bad, the wrt54g hack is only 200kbit/sec |
| 15:51.32 | CP|Laptop | thats going to a sd/mmc? |
| 15:51.42 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:52.27 | sorphin | prpplague: the wrt54g thing was definately a hack by all definitions, the guy just poked around till it got it from what i'm told by a reliable source (and asked a lot of questions) |
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| 15:59.47 | prpplague | sorphin: hmm, i thought it was an informed hack |
| 15:59.55 | prpplague | sorphin: his driver is pretty nice |
| 16:00.07 | prpplague | sorphin: just wish he'd made some of it more generic |
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| 16:02.09 | jnc | seeking arm guru to advise me on adding ARM boot capabilities to Two Kernel Monte |
| 16:03.06 | prpplague | two kernel monte? |
| 16:03.07 | CP|Laptop | Whats the difference between two kernel monte, and kexec? |
| 16:03.13 | prpplague | ahh |
| 16:04.30 | jnc | two kernel monte is for 2.4.x kernels |
| 16:04.35 | jnc | often used on embbeded devices |
| 16:04.45 | jnc | 2.6.x kernels have the options of using kexec |
| 16:04.54 | jnc | there was an kexec patch for alpha and 2.4.x |
| 16:05.39 | prpplague | odd, i've been doing embedded linux for years, never run across a need for it |
| 16:05.48 | jnc | the OpenBSD folks used the same method as two kernel monte to run OpenBSD on the Sharp Zaurus SL-C3000; load a module into 2.4.x kernel that loads new kernel + initrd |
| 16:05.55 | jnc | ah |
| 16:06.23 | jnc | well there's a desire for embedded users who have large microdrives and storage capability to run many operating systems booting from non-flash |
| 16:06.54 | jnc | so i was thinking, this would be a simple way to test kernels frequently and not have to overwrite the manufacturer's kernel |
| 16:06.57 | prpplague | jnc: oh? to what end? |
| 16:07.32 | jnc | the SL-C3000 has got 16mb built-in flash, 8mb which is accessible normally for data |
| 16:07.38 | jnc | the other 8mb is risky to update |
| 16:07.50 | jnc | then there is a compactflash accessible 4gb microdrive |
| 16:08.09 | jnc | so there are possibilities for running many operating systems and different kernels on it |
| 16:08.19 | prpplague | jnc: i mean why would you want to run multiple os's on an embedded device? |
| 16:08.30 | jnc | oh |
| 16:08.40 | jnc | because you can |
| 16:08.49 | jnc | and for development reasons |
| 16:08.51 | CP|Laptop | prpplague: for those situations where your bootloader isn't mature enough, I'll bet |
| 16:09.02 | CP|Laptop | After all, thats how the initial Ipaq stuff happened |
| 16:09.39 | prpplague | CP|Laptop: ahh you mean for reverse enginnering stuff, i.e. a wince based device having linux ported to it? |
| 16:09.50 | CP|Laptop | right |
| 16:09.57 | CP|Laptop | or, booting BSD on a Linux enabled boxen |
| 16:10.03 | CP|Laptop | so on, and so fort |
| 16:10.04 | CP|Laptop | h |
| 16:10.29 | CP|Laptop | On the Geode, we could use it to avoid having to go through the BIOS after changing the kernel |
| 16:10.30 | jnc | also when the 2.6.x kernel is not mature enough on the device that has fully functional 2.4.x kernel |
| 16:10.50 | CP|Laptop | Which is really the biggest advantage, IMHO - faster boot time |
| 16:11.10 | prpplague | ahh, explains why i've never used that method |
| 16:11.47 | CP|Laptop | chouimat: hungover? |
| 16:11.50 | sorphin | chouimat: out too late partying? :P |
| 16:11.59 | jnc | C#.. err... mono? |
| 16:12.19 | chouimat | CP|Laptop: no ... I left at midnight ... wanted to be sure to get a bus ... |
| 16:12.38 | CP|Laptop | chouimat: where's a good place to grab lunch? |
| 16:13.13 | chouimat | CP|Laptop: depend how much you want to spend ... |
| 16:14.13 | chouimat | CP|Laptop: elephant & castle is not bad |
| 16:14.42 | CP|Laptop | I ate there yesterday |
| 16:14.53 | sorphin | heh, elephant and castle |
| 16:14.56 | CP|Laptop | had a very interesting "conversation" with a deaf mutt man |
| 16:15.00 | sorphin | only in canada |
| 16:15.04 | CP|Laptop | /mutt/mute/ |
| 16:15.28 | chouimat | CP|Laptop: tuker marketplace is a good place too all you can eat buffet for 9.99 |
| 16:15.40 | CP|Laptop | what kind of buffet? |
| 16:15.59 | chouimat | CP|Laptop: it's not chinese ... |
| 16:16.26 | CP|Laptop | any good indian food in the area? |
| 16:16.53 | chouimat | CP|Laptop: the only one I know is not downtown |
| 16:36.03 | sorphin | CP|Laptop: did you zoom all the way in on moon.google? |
| 16:36.10 | sorphin | it changes the image dramatically |
| 16:36.11 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:36.24 | CP|Laptop | heh |
| 16:36.46 | CP|Laptop | no - the network was going down, and I figured that I would play with it layer |
| 16:36.51 | sorphin | someone at google has a sense of humor |
| 16:36.51 | CP|Laptop | /layer/later/ |
| 16:37.14 | jnc | sorphin: nice |
| 16:38.16 | sorphin | hehe |
| 16:38.29 | sorphin | jnc: well, it fits the old saying |
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| 16:39.45 | jnc | "What would i do without google?" |
| 16:39.47 | jnc | that one? |
| 16:40.02 | sorphin | no |
| 16:40.11 | sorphin | the one regarding what the moon is made from |
| 16:40.40 | jnc | i'm joking |
| 16:40.47 | jnc | i understand what you are saying |
| 16:41.19 | sorphin | any of you lackeys been to orlando? |
| 16:41.38 | CP|Laptop | once when I was a youngun |
| 16:41.53 | Crofton__|laptop | cd |
| 16:42.07 | CP|Laptop | Directory not found |
| 16:42.14 | sorphin | ah |
| 16:42.19 | Crofton__|laptop | focus ... |
| 16:42.24 | sorphin | won't help me then |
| 16:42.45 | CP|Laptop | You goin' to Disneyworld? :) |
| 16:43.18 | sorphin | CP|Laptop: well, probably there and Universal |
| 16:43.25 | sorphin | and bush gardens, etc |
| 16:43.29 | sorphin | if we can afford it all |
| 16:43.39 | CP|Laptop | The disney water park is actually a lot of fun |
| 16:43.46 | CP|Laptop | They have a 10 foot wave generator |
| 16:43.50 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:43.55 | jnc | C---P---Lap---top af---ter-alll... |
| 16:44.02 | jnc | (ad nauseum.) |
| 16:44.19 | sorphin | it's a penguin after all |
| 16:44.34 | CP|Laptop | Just stay away from Mission: Space |
| 16:44.38 | sorphin | CP|Laptop: me and waves wouldn't get along |
| 16:44.41 | jnc | they got rid of mr. toad's wild ride (2nd incarnation) :( |
| 16:44.41 | CP|Laptop | its killing people |
| 16:44.43 | jnc | it's finally gone |
| 16:44.50 | sorphin | CP|Laptop: heh |
| 16:45.03 | sorphin | well, why the hell am i going then? *grin* |
| 16:45.58 | jnc | "On Space Mountain, the obvious reflex on a roller coaster is to raise your arms. however, it seems that if you do this on Space Mt., you'll be amputated." |
| 16:46.02 | jnc | heh heh |
| 16:46.41 | sorphin | a few eyars ago, at a local fair (they finally had a decent one) |
| 16:46.45 | CP|Laptop | and a power outlet |
| 16:46.48 | CP|Laptop | bbl |
| 16:46.52 | sorphin | :P |
| 16:46.53 | jnc | stupid mom lets her kid ride on a rollercoaster, when kid does not meet safety requirements. i call darwinism |
| 16:47.11 | Crofton__|laptop | social darwinism |
| 16:47.30 | sorphin | they stopped it w/ me in the air facing the ground |
| 16:48.07 | sorphin | it didn't but when the ride was over, mine took extra effort for them to be able to unlock it |
| 16:48.08 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:48.36 | jnc | yeah |
| 16:48.39 | jnc | first ones are scary |
| 16:48.52 | sorphin | there's a six flags here, only been there once |
| 16:48.55 | jnc | suspension of disbelief |
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| 16:49.19 | prpplague | TimRiker: timmmmmmy |
| 16:49.24 | sorphin | TimRiker: moin mr timmy |
| 16:49.39 | prpplague | TimRiker: aeronix responded to linuxdevices.com |
| 16:49.42 | sorphin | TimRiker: boy do we have some stupid people for you ;) |
| 16:49.42 | prpplague | TimRiker: you seen it? |
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| 16:51.31 | prpplague | sorphin: strictly a mental picture representation |
| 16:51.44 | sorphin | thought maybe it was some odd texas thing |
| 16:53.06 | prpplague | sorphin: southern slang |
| 16:54.20 | prpplague | sorphin: lots of great southern slang stuff available like "shit fire and say matches" "he's so confused, he doesn;t know if he should scratch his watch or wind his ass" |
| 16:55.11 | prpplague | sorphin: "hes so dumb, he couldn't pour piss out of a boot if the instructions were on the bottom" |
| 16:55.29 | sorphin | uhh |
| 16:55.38 | sorphin | if you say so hillbilly |
| 16:55.43 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:56.16 | sorphin | prpplague: taken your bajan family picture yet? |
| 16:56.51 | file | my boss doesn't seem to understand the act of disclosing your source code so others can use it |
| 16:57.42 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:57.52 | file | it seems everyone is against him |
| 16:58.02 | file | I don't understand why he's not cluing in that maybe he's the problem |
| 16:58.34 | file | so far he's angry at every other developer of Asterisk, Digium, a coworker, Mozilla, Firefox, and Slashdot |
| 16:58.36 | TimRiker | prpplague: nope. been moving. /me goes to read. |
| 16:58.42 | sorphin | file: he's a PHB |
| 16:58.51 | sorphin | when you become a PHB |
| 16:58.59 | sorphin | they take the bone out of your head that makes you think |
| 16:59.09 | prpplague | TimRiker: http://www.linuxdevices.com/cgi-bin/board/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=talkbacks&Post=408&Idle=0&Sort=0&Order=Descend&Page=0&Session= |
| 16:59.16 | file | he's a great coder, but he thinks the world should revolve around him and only him |
| 16:59.24 | file | if somebody doesn't agree with his view - they're an idiot |
| 16:59.39 | sorphin | file: ah, one of those |
| 16:59.50 | prpplague | file: welcome to the world of corportate software biz |
| 17:00.54 | jnc | :/ |
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| 17:02.55 | TimRiker | prpplague: hehe. ah well, they call me "Tim Rikers" a few times. interesting read though. |
| 17:04.00 | file | TimRiker: you are Tim, of the Rikers! all be bowing to you! |
| 17:04.04 | prpplague | TimRiker: did you read my response? |
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| 17:04.27 | TimRiker | "well since there are no known viri for linux you didn't have to do much." <- not true. There are viruses for Linux. |
| 17:04.48 | TimRiker | I've seen one infected box in all my Linux years. |
| 17:04.49 | prpplague | TimRiker: oh? |
| 17:05.04 | prpplague | TimRiker: i never have heard of one |
| 17:05.42 | markl | i remember that apache one that took out cisco 678's |
| 17:05.45 | TimRiker | http://www.lwfug.org/~abartoli/virus-writing-HOWTO/_html/ =) |
| 17:06.07 | TimRiker | thought I had one but it's a 675 |
| 17:06.46 | prpplague | TimRiker: odd, i never heard of one being in the wild |
| 17:06.48 | markl | they look identical, not sure what's different |
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| 17:08.46 | TimRiker | markl: the 675 only does one flavor of line training. i forget the name. the 678 can do either depending on firmware. |
| 17:09.28 | prpplague | TimRiker: interesting, well i've give that a read |
| 17:09.58 | prpplague | TimRiker: btw, i think we have two viable solutions for the sd/mmc card on the zipit |
| 17:10.28 | prpplague | TimRiker: probably the best we can hope for is about 100kb/sec transfer rate |
| 17:10.46 | TimRiker | prpplague: unfortunate, but workable. |
| 17:11.08 | prpplague | TimRiker: might be able to get closer to 200kb/sec with some tweaks |
| 17:11.12 | TimRiker | markl: iirc it's CAP and DMT. the 675 only does CAP and I need DMT. |
| 17:11.51 | sorphin | heh |
| 17:12.06 | markl | i might have a 678 collecting dust |
| 17:12.14 | TimRiker | sorphin: exactly. =/ |
| 17:12.30 | sorphin | TimRiker: got a speedstrem 5861 i'm not using too |
| 17:13.00 | sorphin | already sold my 827 since i couldn't use it, since SBC implicitly bridges their connections unless you're PPPOE |
| 17:13.05 | sorphin | and i'm not |
| 17:13.06 | TimRiker | markl: I'll give ya $20 if you can find it. I'm downtown in the JSMB next to temple square. you? |
| 17:13.44 | TimRiker | I've got an alcatel stingray that might work. That'd be cool too cause it exposes the ATM frames. |
| 17:13.46 | markl | work in orem, live in murray |
| 17:14.00 | sorphin | TimRiker: so you're finally closed on chez riker now? |
| 17:14.30 | TimRiker | markl: cool. holler. I could stop by. I live in south jordan (just moved in yesterday) |
| 17:14.43 | sorphin | that would be a yes |
| 17:14.55 | TimRiker | sorphin: nod. I'm exausted from yesterday. boxes and more boxes. |
| 17:15.13 | sorphin | TimRiker: here's a suggestion.. keep this one *grin* |
| 17:15.31 | TimRiker | sorphin: =) |
| 17:15.43 | sorphin | tis a nice looking house too |
| 17:15.50 | sorphin | tho for what you paid, it better well be ;) |
| 17:16.19 | sorphin | only since Feb |
| 17:16.31 | sorphin | the other appraisers apparently didn't know the area for squat |
| 17:16.47 | TimRiker | markl: you headed to sllug tonight? /me asks on #utah where markl is as well. ;-) |
| 17:16.48 | markl | is cosmicpenguin around at all |
| 17:17.01 | markl | i wish i could but no |
| 17:17.04 | sorphin | markl: he's at OLS |
| 17:17.05 | markl | babysitter |
| 17:17.24 | markl | what is the topic today |
| 17:17.31 | sorphin | wreaking havoc in canadia |
| 17:21.31 | cdm | hahaha... |
| 17:21.46 | cdm | humid and sticky. |
| 17:23.02 | TimRiker | sorphin: it got apprasied for $5k over what we paid for it. that's always nice. |
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| 17:37.45 | CP|OLS | Wow, its hot here |
| 17:39.50 | cdm | yeah. |
| 17:39.56 | cdm | Ottawa in the summer sucks. |
| 17:40.14 | cdm | spring and fall are nice. |
| 17:40.20 | cdm | summer and winter are not so nice. |
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| 17:48.44 | CP|OLS | Heh - ACPI talk, but the guy can't get his presentation running |
| 17:48.52 | CP|OLS | ironically, like ACPI itself |
| 17:51.07 | prpplague | sorphin: wow, how can you afford that expensive of a house? |
| 17:51.17 | prpplague | sorphin: how much did you put down? |
| 17:55.00 | prpplague | end of an era, scotty has beamup for the last time |
| 17:55.15 | kergoth | :( |
| 17:56.44 | CP|OLS | rip |
| 17:59.40 | prpplague | wow, he had his last child in 2000, when he was 80! |
| 18:00.21 | kergoth | damn |
| 18:00.43 | prpplague | ~lart kergoth |
| 18:00.54 | prpplague | kergoth: where the hell have you been? |
| 18:05.32 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:05.44 | kergoth | around. still not employed. not been doing much |
| 18:07.26 | chouimat | hi TimRiker kergoth |
| 18:09.52 | prpplague | kergoth: what are you doing for $$ or are you dancing at the local gay bar? hehe |
| 18:13.30 | kergoth | dont have any income. well, i'm filing 3 years of back tax returns to get around $4k, but thats about it |
| 18:13.35 | kergoth | if i dont act quickly i'll end up losing myc ar. |
| 18:13.54 | prpplague | kergoth: bummer |
| 18:14.19 | kergoth | main problem is i dont want to relocate again just now |
| 18:14.33 | prpplague | kergoth: yea that can be a beoych |
| 18:14.57 | prpplague | kergoth: wise you had been interested in that job at aml |
| 18:15.00 | prpplague | wish |
| 18:17.40 | prpplague | kergoth: working on anything at the momment? |
| 18:20.12 | Crofton__|laptop | kergoth, Stall for time |
| 18:20.24 | Crofton__|laptop | go to college, get massive loans |
| 18:20.42 | Crofton__|laptop | prcocrastinate the problem for a few years |
| 18:40.46 | fishhead | http://www.planetxpo.com/doohan/ <--- rest in peace scotty "beam me up" |
| 18:41.43 | sorphin | TimRiker: same w/ ours, it originally appraised for 191, and we paid 189.9 |
| 18:41.52 | sorphin | prpplague: i didn't put squat down.. i did 80/20 financing |
| 18:42.19 | sorphin | and in Aug (6 months) i'm refinancing to get it all as 1 loan w/ better interest and using the $14k in equity to side/window it |
| 18:43.38 | sorphin | prpplague: doesn't hurt that i make 50k/year (tho i also foot most of the rest of the bills too, till missy finds something that pays worth a damn) |
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| 18:55.14 | sorphin | yay |
| 18:55.16 | file | hrm? |
| 18:56.35 | TimRiker | sorphin: heh. I didn't ban him, just a kick. |
| 18:56.42 | sorphin | TimRiker: oh well |
| 18:56.46 | sorphin | maybe someday :P |
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| 18:56.57 | fishhead | oh come on I was just teasing |
| 18:57.03 | fishhead | I am pretty bumed out actually |
| 18:57.06 | fishhead | he was pretty cool |
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| 18:57.13 | sorphin | TimRiker: wanna buy these dct5k's back? :P |
| 18:57.14 | fishhead | :p |
| 18:57.25 | file | the IRC client on my Powerbook plays the sound of a gun when you kick someone |
| 18:57.26 | file | it's great |
| 18:57.32 | sorphin | file: haha |
| 18:57.38 | TimRiker | sorphin: heh. nope. still have 2 I've not done anything with. |
| 18:58.00 | file | TimRiker: have you considered using them as weapons? |
| 18:58.01 | sorphin | TimRiker: no one's been able to do anything w/ them, since w/o replacing the ROM w/ a flash... we can't really do much |
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| 18:58.11 | file | haha |
| 18:58.12 | sorphin | uhhh |
| 18:58.16 | TimRiker | hehe. jk |
| 18:58.21 | file | I can hear the sound across my room |
| 18:59.00 | sorphin | file's grown up quite a bit since i 1st met him in here, he's not bad anyre :) ;) |
| 18:59.04 | TimRiker | sorphin: I hear ya. There's gotta be a way, but without many of them around, there's not much motivation. |
| 18:59.19 | sorphin | TimRiker: well, almost everyoen here has atleast 1 |
| 18:59.27 | TimRiker | sorphin: =) |
| 18:59.33 | sorphin | prob is, no one's had time.. ken's always busy |
| 18:59.44 | sorphin | t0mw's busy |
| 18:59.57 | sorphin | i may be a hw guy, but that's kinda outta my area |
| 19:00.30 | sorphin | ewww |
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| 19:00.40 | sorphin | ~lart file for using mIRC |
| 19:01.23 | prpplague | argh, i'm having hell with the sd/mmc driver today |
| 19:01.35 | sorphin | prpplague: add more beer |
| 19:01.54 | cdm | prp: fun fun |
| 19:02.09 | cdm | using it as a memory device and not I/O |
| 19:02.12 | sorphin | why is it when i want UPS to show up at the same time they did last time, they won't |
| 19:02.13 | sorphin | heh |
| 19:07.21 | fishhead | cause they are a union |
| 19:07.32 | fishhead | UPS = union people suck |
| 19:07.45 | prpplague | cdm: block device |
| 19:08.42 | prpplague | cdm: its via spi rather than a dedicated controler |
| 19:08.55 | prpplague | cdm: the spi method isn't well supported in the linux kernel |
| 19:09.15 | MonMotha | gah, this is sad |
| 19:09.38 | prpplague | cdm: there are a few boards that use it, but those companies are violating the GPL and not release code, *cough* juicebox |
| 19:09.54 | MonMotha | I have all this fancy hardware for my MythTV setup...and what am I doing? Telling it to use the 5 year old BTTV capture card and software encoding as first priority since the PVR-150 doesn't work and my OTA antenna is not set up right now |
| 19:10.00 | cdm | hahaha... |
| 19:10.16 | fishhead | mon nice |
| 19:10.19 | cdm | well - the non-SPI methods aren't that hot either (kernel code wise). |
| 19:10.24 | fishhead | prpp |
| 19:10.30 | fishhead | haven't you sicked the fsf on emsoft yet |
| 19:11.18 | fishhead | I mean stallman's face alone should get them to release the source |
| 19:15.33 | prpplague | fishhead: fsf doesn't hold any copyrights to get involved |
| 19:15.33 | fishhead | ah |
| 19:17.08 | fishhead | is there any option ? |
| 19:17.15 | fishhead | what about shaming them on slashdot or something ? |
| 19:17.25 | cdm | yeah, that really works. |
| 19:17.33 | cdm | since the 'real world' is totally influenced by /. |
| 19:18.29 | fishhead | sometimes it works |
| 19:18.34 | fishhead | if they get enough angry letters |
| 19:18.46 | fishhead | a lot of us geeks do have kids that buy this stuff |
| 19:19.26 | prpplague | face it there is very little we can do to enforce the GPL when companies like Aeronix and Emsoft just simply refuse to comply |
| 19:20.00 | fishhead | :/ |
| 19:20.09 | fishhead | mabye I should start selling off all my jb's then |
| 19:20.29 | fishhead | who is aeronix anyways |
| 19:27.19 | fishhead | prpp |
| 19:27.24 | fishhead | I thought we can get injunctions |
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| 19:47.34 | file[laptop] | meep |
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| 19:54.49 | T0mW | prpplague: ok, done: http://linuxdevices.com/cgi-bin/board/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=talkbacks&Post=408&Idle=&Sort=&Order=&Page=&Session= |
| 20:00.31 | sorphin | T0mW: cute |
| 20:11.04 | T0mW | sorphin: they want to wave the flag that free-loading hackers are trying to steal proprietary information. It is a distraction. Call them what they are: thieves |
| 20:11.44 | cdm | question is - is it linked to the kernel or just a module? |
| 20:11.54 | cdm | if it's just a module hard to force them to do anything. |
| 20:12.48 | T0mW | ask prpplague or TimRiker, they have had problems getting GPL source from those guys. Never mind module code. |
| 20:13.45 | prpplague | one sec phone |
| 20:17.43 | T0mW | cdm: this is from the Aeronix Linux download site: " Wireless Driver Base Source: (can be obtained anywhere)" |
| 20:18.12 | jacques | doublet is a dumbass or a shill |
| 20:18.13 | T0mW | does that mean they started with the "Base Source" and changed it, or that they used it as is? |
| 20:18.16 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe, glad to see a response |
| 20:19.17 | prpplague | cdm: yea well like Emsoft who has a monolithic kernel and hasn't release a significant portion of code |
| 20:19.40 | prpplague | cdm: can't get anyone that has a major copyright on the affect kernel do anything about it |
| 20:20.45 | T0mW | prpplague: if you have some copyright interest, even minor, can't you get an injunction against them? |
| 20:21.27 | T0mW | isnt' that what the ipchains / ipfilter guy in Germany is doing? |
| 20:22.10 | T0mW | oh well, time to goof off, today is my birthday so I should do something "special", like not work? |
| 20:24.22 | prpplague | T0mW: thats my fault, as i've rarely over the years added a copyright statement to my code |
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| 20:38.23 | sorphin | T0mW: yup |
| 20:38.26 | CP|Laptop | sigh |
| 20:38.40 | CP|Laptop | stupid AMD - make better mobile chipsets |
| 20:40.09 | T0mW | prpplague: you shouldn't have to make a copyright statement in the code itself. Just make sure you get into the CHANGELOG |
| 20:41.24 | prpplague | T0mW: i rarely do that |
| 20:41.47 | prpplague | T0mW: i usualy just pass on my changes to the maintainer |
| 20:42.22 | T0mW | prpplague: gee Dave, I guess you only do it for the glory and not the recognician? heh |
| 20:42.41 | T0mW | ~lart prpplague |
| 20:42.48 | CP|Laptop | The masked coder |
| 20:42.59 | prpplague | T0mW: i kick myself sometimes for not doing it, but most of the time i don't feel like the changes are really that big of a deal |
| 20:42.59 | T0mW | anonymous contributor |
| 20:43.21 | kergoth | in the US you dont _have_ to put a copyright statement. your code in inherently copyrighted by you unless you sign a public domain paper on it. but for clarity, and given that the world is more than just the US, its a good idea. |
| 20:43.56 | CP|Laptop | plus, it lets you claim yourself as a contributor in the case of copyright disputes |
| 20:45.17 | prpplague | i beat guys, think i'm gonna head home early |
| 20:45.20 | prpplague | later folks |
| 20:45.24 | CP|Laptop | bye |
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| 20:45.45 | prpplague | CP|Laptop: drinks some beer for me |
| 20:45.50 | CP|Laptop | I'll try |
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| 23:35.16 | sorphin | 1st my package is out for delivery this morning, then it's not, then nothing gets delivered.. so now i have to call dispatch tomorrow to find out WTF happened |
| 23:51.45 | TimRiker | someone "lifted" it |
| 23:55.43 | sorphin | ok i lied |
| 23:55.45 | sorphin | it just showed up |
| 23:55.49 | sorphin | man they ran late today |
| 23:55.50 | file | haha |
| 23:55.54 | file | that's nice |
| 23:55.57 | sorphin | the drivers are supposed to be done at 6 |
| 23:56.04 | sorphin | it's now 6:55 |
| 23:56.05 | sorphin | oops |
| 23:56.24 | sorphin | wonder if they noticed it before he went back to the shop.. and was.. oops |
| 23:58.33 | sorphin | file: yes file? |
| 23:58.40 | file | what'cha get |
| 23:58.58 | sorphin | some triacs, some batteries and some opto triac drivers |
| 23:59.48 | sorphin | file: did you listen to that mp3 link i posted last night? |