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01:41.16fishheadhttp://www.lavalink.com/index.php?id=709
01:41.19fishheadHELL YEAH
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12:51.28prpplaguecbrake: i see vibren has sold out
12:54.23BleSSwhat filesystem should use in a CF? XIP or a compressed filesystem?
12:55.22prpplagueBleSS: depends on what your goal is
12:56.41pb_I don't think you can do XIP from a CF with any filesystem, so you might as well use a compressed one.
12:57.07prpplaguepb_: hehe, i was about to point that out, hehe
12:57.10prpplaguepb_: morning
12:57.13pb_prpplague: morning
12:57.13pb_heh
12:57.28prpplaguepb_: rough day in london i gather
12:57.34pb_yeah, it seems
12:57.49pb_multiple explosions, according to the news.
12:58.57BleSSi want it for a router/firewall/IDS in a CF of 32M (openbsd stripped)
12:59.26prpplagueBleSS: gonna use a ramdisk i assume?
12:59.41BleSSyes
13:02.46prpplagueBleSS: probably want two fs's on the cf card
13:03.08prpplagueBleSS: one compressed with all of your basic fs stuff, the second a small one for settings and such
13:03.53BleSSi'll use a hard disk (with flash technology) for store configuration files and logs from IDS
13:04.05BleSSand the CF for the embedded system
13:07.56BleSS(in CF card) i'm in doubt of use a compressed fs. or write directly the system to CF?
13:08.49[g2]BleSS, what speeds are you planning to run the FW/IDS at ?
13:08.55BleSSi'm supposed that if i write the system to CF, then when it's accessed is more slow than if i use a compressed fs.
13:09.25BleSS1 Mbit/s or 2
13:10.00[g2]cool. Are you gonna use a soekris or something like that ?
13:10.16BleSSi'll use an epia board
13:10.28[g2]interesting
13:11.06[g2]I'm getting ready to sell some hw that matches up with your reqirements pretty well
13:13.10[g2]except there's no OpenBSD port now
13:13.21[g2]that I'm aware of
13:14.03BleSSi need at least 3 lans 10/100, cpu (x86 if possible) from 400-600Mhz , CF slot, ide (40 pin) connector, ram (256-512 M)
13:14.48BleSSdo u have a web about that board?
13:22.31cbrakeprpplague: yep, hopefully will be for the better.  Its been a rough road for the Accelent team.
13:22.41[g2]BleSS, it's smaller than that
13:23.05[g2]2 lans on-board, 64MB, CF + 2 USB 2.0
13:23.13cbrakeprpplague: its kind of nice being somewhat removed from the situation as I'm on my own right now.
13:24.43[g2]and the processor is only 266, but there's onboard NPEs
13:24.50[g2]they have MD5 and SHA1 in hw
13:26.02BleSSi need more powerfull for the IDS
13:29.01[g2]that's what I figured
13:29.06[g2]and the memory too
13:29.25prpplaguecbrake: yea, i bet its nice not to have to worry about that switch over
13:29.40[g2]BleSS, thx for the feedback
13:30.14cbrakeprpplague: is the hurricane affecting your weather?
13:30.56prpplaguecbrake: sorta, it passed over us as just a storm on monday
13:32.25BleSS[g2], np, your hardware is well for a router/FW (could VPN too)
13:33.18[g2]it's a big gamble for me. I'll start out targeting SOHO LAMP and E-mail servers
13:33.29[g2]it'll be interesting how it turns out
13:36.37BleSS[g2], i want build a DMZ server too (when i finished with FW/IDS): web (LAMP), FTP, cache/proxy web/ftp, SMTP
13:37.55[g2]it'll should quite well for that :)
13:38.28[g2]it'll be $249 US sans CF card
13:39.19BleSSdo u have a web about that board for see the full specifications?
13:39.25[g2]that's the target price
13:39.40[g2]I'll be launching in very soon with the full specs
13:39.41BleSSarchitecture?
13:39.44[g2]IXP422
13:39.49[g2]Xscale ARM
13:40.35[g2]I've got a full development system that builds bootloader to APPs that's based on OE
13:40.41BleSSi'll have to check if netbsd support that architecture, i'm supposed that yes
13:41.01BleSSi would use netbsd or freebsd for that sever
13:41.08[g2]ahh...
13:41.28[g2]right now I'm focusing on Linux
13:41.53[g2]I'll have to see what the support for other OSes are
13:42.50[g2]I'm a dev on the nslu2-linux project and it's very similar to the NSLU2, so 99.9% of the SW xfers
13:44.29[g2]I've got Apache 2.0 and PHP5 natively built and running, MySQL 4.1.12 is building as we speak
13:52.11BleSSok, linux is very well, i'm a linux user, but i want a server very stable and secure so i want net/free BSD
13:52.34BleSSfor DMZ and internal servers
13:54.27[g2]understand. Unfortunately, I'm only one guy and I can't do it all.
13:54.41[g2]I do know a FreeBSD dev of about 10 years though
13:55.32prpplaguecbrake: spoken to ccole?
13:56.24prpplaguecbrake: i've not chatted with jeffs in a long while, he stopped showing up on #blob@irc.oftc.net
14:14.08prpplaguehttp://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=89810-PTI&cat=GDT
14:14.29cbrakeprpplague: yeah, I chat w/ them about every day.  They are both very busy righ now.
14:15.42prpplaguecbrake: well, when you speak to them next time, slap them both and tell them to not be stangers on #elinux
14:21.52cbrakeprpplague: heh, I'll tell them.
14:27.17CosmicPenguinWhat up folks?
14:27.56prpplagueCosmicPenguin: ssdd
14:29.45CosmicPenguinI can't figure out why this board is crashing when I come out of a particular interrupt into a softirq
14:30.48prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i have idea why, but i find the idea of porting UZI to arm totally fascinating
14:30.59CosmicPenguinerr
14:31.00CosmicPenguinwhat?
14:31.27prpplagueCosmicPenguin: http://uzix.sourceforge.net/index.php?page=intro&lang=us
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14:58.41CosmicPenguinI came up with a pretty good interview question yesterday
14:59.09CosmicPenguinI asked how busybox knew which applet to run when it is invoked
14:59.56CosmicPenguinIts simple when you know, but it shows a good level of geekiness
15:00.13prpplaguehehe
15:00.44prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i like to check more of the problem solving areas
15:01.27prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i.e. "if you were given a IT project to complete in an area you had no knowledge of, how would approach getting the project done?
15:19.47fishheadprpp
15:19.53fishheaddid you see what lava sells
15:19.56fishheadthe serial card people ?
15:20.04fishheaddid you see my paste yesterday
15:20.07fishheadhttp://www.lavalink.com/index.php?id=709
15:20.09fishheadcheck it
15:22.16prpplaguefishhead: nice
15:22.26prpplaguefishhead: that would make a good flash programmer
15:22.32fishhead:P
15:23.00fishheadyeah I found this by accident and I was like "OMG #ELINUX NEEDS TO SEE THIS"
15:23.16fishheadI guess 8255 is legendary when you just need simple bit banging
15:25.13prpplagueyea
15:25.34prpplaguefishhead: a 8255 card is what they use for several of the homebrew cart programmers on the GB
15:26.09fishheadhehehe
15:26.22fishheadyeah but was there any pci ones till now ?
15:26.46prpplagueno
15:26.49prpplagueall isa
15:26.58prpplaguepb_: ping
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15:27.22fishheadso this is perfect for someone will a newer machine :P
15:28.20fishheadprpp
15:28.24fishheadI can't sell it that well
15:28.33fishheadbut does that ic in the pic say xlinux
15:28.38fishheadxlinx
15:29.15pb_prpplague: at your service
15:29.47prpplaguepb_: hey, recommend a good way to test sdram on arm platforms?
15:30.12fishheadprpp rewrite memtest86 :)
15:30.33prpplaguefishhead: on what pic?
15:30.49fishheadeh?
15:31.07fishheadno I mean use his test pattern code but rewrite the test for arm
15:31.16prpplague<fishhead> but does that ic in the pic say xlinux
15:31.20fishheadoh
15:31.26fishheadthe lava thing
15:31.32fishheadhttp://www.lavalink.com/index.php?id=709
15:31.40prpplaguefishhead: i can't see that it that well
15:32.07pb_prpplague: dunno
15:32.53prpplaguepb_: i've got a program i wrote to run from flash that just does different bit patterns
15:32.53chouimatmorning
15:33.12prpplaguepb_: think thats sufficient?
15:33.16prpplaguechouimat: lo
15:33.49pb_prpplague: depends what sort of fault you're trying to catch really.  are you trying to detect faulty RAM, or board design problems?
15:34.02chouimatanyone going to DDC and/or OLS?
15:34.46prpplaguepb_: well sorta both, we want to test several different "compatible" sdrams
15:34.57prpplaguepb_: just to make sure that they are truely compatible
15:36.07prpplaguepb_: been getting into some production areas that i've not had any experience in such as testing these different vendor sdrams
15:36.25prpplaguecole: howdy
15:37.24fishheadprpp what brands
15:38.17prpplaguemicron samsung sharp
15:38.40fishheaddunno about sharp
15:38.45fishheadfirst two are usually decent
15:39.13fishheadESMT and eliteMT I guess are the 2 major players for sdram, now that the big dram makers are focusing on ddr
15:39.19fishheadbtw that card is like $65
15:39.21fishheadnot too bad
15:40.13prpplaguefishhead: we purchase other parts from those companies so we prefer to work with them due to cost benefits
15:40.28fishheadyeah I understand :)
15:41.54fishheadquick dumb question
15:41.59fishheadfor one of those 8255 cards
15:42.09fishheadwould it be best to optoisolate everything ?
15:43.26prpplague33 ppl confirmed dead in london
15:43.35fishhead:(
15:43.41prpplaguefishhead: depends on what you want to do
15:43.49fishheadthat card does have a xlinx spartan on it btw
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15:44.06prpplaguexilinx
15:44.17fishheadyeah thx
15:44.18fishheadmakes sense
15:44.24fishheadfpga are good for app like this
15:45.11fishheadXC105 looks like
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15:58.06coleprpplague: Hi!
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16:15.08prpplaguehmm, odd, my macromedia flash player doesn't play audio
16:20.36CosmicPenguincrazy mips
16:37.06prpplaguewell fudge
16:38.00prpplaguemacromedia flash refuses to play audio
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17:19.29Genesisprpplague : check your rights on oss emulation /dev/dsp* etC...
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18:34.21prpplagueGenesis: yea, already checked, besides, all my other audio apps work
18:34.31prpplagueGenesis: realplayer and xmms work fine
18:37.57fishheadhttp://www.ext.vt.edu/departments/entomology/factsheets/earwigs.html
18:39.15Genesisprpplague : great
18:39.33Genesisi should receive my jb soon !
18:39.41Genesis4 weeks i wait
18:40.00Genesisprpplague : and movie ?
18:40.06Genesisvlc ? mplayer or xine ?
18:42.05Genesisrealplayer as movie player you speak ?
18:43.13fishheadprpp
18:43.16fishheadyou stupid canuck
18:43.26fishheadshiet is still claiming that the JB boots from the rom
18:43.28fishheadyou said it didn't
18:44.02prpplagueGenesis: yea all those work
18:44.10prpplaguefishhead: what?
18:44.22Genesisgreat
18:44.32fishheadyou lied to me!
18:44.39fishheadprepare to receive punishment!
18:44.41fishhead:P
18:45.10prpplaguewhat?
18:45.17prpplaguefishhead: what are you babyling about?
18:45.30fishheadshiet on the juicebox forums
18:45.39fishheadsays the carts have a rom that boots up playeros
18:46.46prpplagueright
18:47.00fishheadyou told me it didn't
18:47.12prpplaguei don't recall telling you that
18:47.17fishheadI do
18:47.20prpplaguei said it didn't boot linux
18:47.27fishheadcause I was asking about soldering a rom to the cart with linux on it
18:47.32fishheadfor apps where we don't need a sd slot
19:00.33coleprp: I got my juiceboxes :)
19:01.01coleI got 3 of them.  Got one opened and using jtag-tools to talk to it.
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19:05.05prpplaguecole: cool
19:05.12prpplaguecole: join #pixterdev
19:06.01prpplaguecole: was planning to do some more jtag debugging of the bootload on the JB this weekend
19:16.19coleprpplague: I am not very far - I can identify the cpu on the chain, btu thats all the further I got.  I didn't realize I needed to deadbug a f;ash chip on top of the rom
19:17.31fishheadcole I have 7
19:17.43fishheadsold 1, probably sell 2 more in package, gave 2 meg version to nephew
19:17.47fishheadthe rest are all 8 meg
19:18.00fishheadwaiting for carts and mp3 kits to get cheaper
19:18.06fishheadkmart still wants $29.99 for mp3 kit
19:21.26prpplaguecole: yea, its a nice little learning device
19:21.36prpplaguecole: has a full range of technologies to experiment with
19:27.36colewhat's a good resource for finding out who got which chips to work, how they wired them up (stride, etc?) and then how they jtagged them?  Any test code, etc?
19:27.46cole(flash chips)
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19:49.10prpplaguecole: everything i have is at www.elinux.org/wiki.
19:49.12prpplaguecole: everything i have is at www.elinux.org/wiki/
19:55.20coleok
20:40.59fishheadhttp://flyback.databurn.net/ <--- pics of old fan I found, going to use blades for windmill generator
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21:54.03CosmicPenguinheh
21:54.13CosmicPenguinI'm reading IBM's response to that idiot's lawsuit
21:54.27CosmicPenguinthey refrence State Oil v. Kahn
21:54.30CosmicPenguinKAHN!!!!!
21:56.09sorphingee
21:56.15sorphinhow grown up
21:56.30sorphin"[fishhead(~xussgig@c-24-3-15-166.hsd1.pa.comcast.net)] i wish you would get aids and get it over with"
21:56.52fishheadyeah after you made tons of comments about how they should ban me and get it over with
21:56.58sorphintons of comments?
21:57.01sorphintons of comments?
21:57.03fishheadyour damn right I am going to tell you what to go do with yourself
21:57.08fishheadyou done this before
21:57.10sorphini said it once, why?
21:57.18fishheadno you said it many times in the past
21:57.21fishheadjust to cause trouble
21:57.23sorphinbecause you never contribute, you say/call everyoen a CANUCK
21:57.24fishheadand I am fucking sick of it
21:57.32fishheadmabye I should knock in your face
21:57.33fishheadpunk
21:58.03prpplaguesorphin: are we having fun yet?
21:58.12fishheadoh realy I came in this channel
21:58.14CosmicPenguinNow, I would pay 49.95 to see that fight
21:58.17fishheadwas to past a url about a pci 8255 card
21:58.22sorphinCosmicPenguin: it'd be quick
21:58.28CosmicPenguinBetter then Tyson
21:58.46prpplagueCosmicPenguin: wonder if that includes an ear bitting
21:58.52fishheadheh
21:58.57sorphinprpplague: as for fun, i bet you i know more fun than he ever has or would ;)
21:59.09prpplaguesorphin: hehe
21:59.13sorphinlet's see
21:59.22sorphinyou're how old again, fishhead... 32, 33?
21:59.33fishhead31
21:59.40sorphinand your last date was... when?
21:59.45sorphinoh that's right.. never
21:59.58fishheadis that the best you can do to  try to insult me ?
21:59.58file[desk]sorphin: lastnight with his hand
21:59.59CosmicPenguinhey, careful now
22:00.03sorphindo yourself a favor, go to vegas and loosen up
22:00.11CosmicPenguinIf Stacee hadn't been so kind, I would be right there with him
22:00.12prpplagueok guys thats enough
22:00.13sorphinfile[desk]: i heard he got turned down
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22:00.20file[desk]sorphin: how sad
22:00.23sorphinCosmicPenguin: i doubt that
22:00.26fishheadprpp na this is funny
22:00.29fishheadlet them continue
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22:00.45prpplagueno i said thats enough
22:00.51prpplaguethis is a dev channel
22:01.00prpplaguenot a pissy efnet troll channel
22:01.10CosmicPenguinheh - guess who the father is in the room - he does that like a champ
22:01.13fishheadhttp://www.lavalink.com/index.php?id=709
22:01.18sorphinCosmicPenguin: hehe
22:01.47sorphinCosmicPenguin: btw, my traffic signal arrived, but trying to decipher what chip this controller is... little motorola one
22:02.03prpplaguesorphin: traffic signal?
22:02.03sorphinbut the top line that is normall the chip #.. doesn't appear to be
22:02.09CosmicPenguin8 bit?
22:02.12CosmicPenguinhow many pins?
22:02.23sorphinhold
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22:02.41sorphin16 pins
22:02.49sorphinprpplague: http://i6.ebayimg.com/03/i/04/61/2a/f5_1_b.JPG
22:02.51sorphinthat
22:03.09CosmicPenguingot a picture of the chip?  I can show it to some of the harder core geeks here and see if they recognize it
22:03.53sorphinhold on, grabbing a pic of the board from online (and see if i can get a good crop of the chip
22:04.25prpplaguesorphin: cool
22:04.33prpplaguesorphin: wonder how they got that legally
22:04.40sorphinauctions
22:04.46sorphincity/state
22:05.01sorphinhell, i almost got one from one of the electrical companies that installs them
22:05.16sorphinthey're usually thrown away when taken down after long time of service
22:06.29prpplaguefile[desk]: ppl in the enginnering circles sure are pushing zigbee for voip and handhelds
22:06.31sorphincan't get the #'s off the picture, lemme open it again and i'll use my digital
22:06.41CosmicPenguinWhy would it be illegal to own a traffic light?
22:07.30CosmicPenguinIts definately illegal to take one down, mind you.. :)
22:07.54filezigbee?
22:08.01filethat's a new one
22:08.39filehttp://www.telusmobility.com/nb/pcs/handset_audiovox_ppc6600.shtml
22:08.50fileI'm so tempted to get that for when they launch EVDO here for more bandwidth... and use VoIP
22:09.50prpplagueCosmicPenguin: http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9584_22-5304452.html
22:10.52sorphinCosmicPenguin: ok
22:11.05sorphincan't get a good shot, but here's all 3 rows of #'s
22:11.10sorphinMCQY2
22:11.14sorphin3L69J
22:11.34sorphinZRKTO235 (or it could bt ZRK0235) can't tell which
22:12.23sorphinprpplague: sounds similar to X10, cept wireless, heh
22:14.04prpplaguefile[desk]: this months circuit cellar is devoted to voip
22:14.45prpplaguefile[desk]: they have a project doing voip with a eZ80 chip
22:15.10sorphinCosmicPenguin: yeah, appears to be 8bit, possibly part of the 68hc908 series
22:15.21filethere's a cute chinese chip out there for VoIP, PA168
22:15.51CosmicPenguinYeah, Zigbee is going to blow up
22:15.54filelots of cheap phones/atas use it, you can get the firmware for it too... rather nifty
22:17.20prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hehe, cc has a nice bit flipping article too, hehe
22:17.46prpplague~seen t0mw
22:17.46ibott0mw <tom@24.229.11.125.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #elinux, 30d 4h 51m 50s ago, saying: 'prpplague: wassup'.
22:17.50sorphinCosmicPenguin: get all that?
22:18.12CosmicPenguinsorphin: yeah
22:18.23sorphink
22:19.25CosmicPenguinhmmm...
22:20.25CosmicPenguinHeh - 3L96J is the mask value of freescale processors
22:20.29CosmicPenguinof some, that is
22:21.09sorphinyeah, taht # is how i stumbled across the 68hc908
22:21.15sorphinsame mask
22:21.39CosmicPenguinThere isn't anything between the MC and the QY?
22:21.48sorphinnope
22:22.06sorphinbut there's a version of the 68hc908 that ends in QY2
22:22.14sorphinsame pin count
22:22.51CosmicPenguin68HC908QY4 (3L69J):
22:22.52sorphin4 ch, 8 bit, 1536 bytes of flash
22:23.00CosmicPenguinright?
22:23.16CosmicPenguinOh duh - I guess thats the QY4
22:23.20sorphinMC68HC908QY2 1536 bytes 4 ch, 8 bit 16 pins  that's the variant i found in the pdf
22:23.21CosmicPenguinbut it might be another rev
22:23.34CosmicPenguinwe need a motorola decoder ring
22:23.42sorphinthis pdf seems to tell a lot
22:23.49sorphinbut i've never worked w/ these kinda chips
22:23.53sorphinonly PICs
22:24.28CosmicPenguinYeah - I'll bet the last digit is a rev
22:24.32CosmicPenguinbecause heres a page for the QY1
22:24.40CosmicPenguinhttp://freescale.com%00/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=68HC908QY1&nodeId=011269ZwbV
22:25.08sorphinand the pdf i found actually is called the QY4, but it references this chip too and others
22:26.26CosmicPenguinhttp://www.freescale.com/files/microcontrollers/doc/fact_sheet/68HC908QTQYFS.pdf
22:27.43sorphinheh
22:27.44sorphinyeah
22:27.45CosmicPenguinDo those packages on page 2 look right?
22:27.58sorphinyeah, it's the 16 pin DIP
22:28.17CosmicPenguinWho knows what the ZRK is all about though
22:28.30sorphinno idea, never learned anything more than the top line ;)
22:28.38sorphincourse, i don't make chips either
22:29.26CosmicPenguinMan, I don't even know what all the lines on our chips stand for
22:29.56sorphinCosmicPenguin: http://i18.ebayimg.com/02/i/02/a9/f3/7e_1.JPG  <--- that's the board it's on.. the left chip is the MC... that is the board, cept the one in my light has 5 relays and 2 more LEDs..
22:29.56prpplaguelater folks
22:31.04CosmicPenguinheh - 5 relays?
22:31.06CosmicPenguinarrows?
22:31.09sorphinyep
22:31.18CosmicPenguinhow fun
22:31.57CosmicPenguinIs the ROM soldered down, or is it in a socket?
22:32.14sorphinsocketed
22:32.17CosmicPenguinsweet
22:32.26CosmicPenguinThat makes life a bit easier... :)
22:32.44TimRikerrecommendations on a many port console server?
22:32.58sorphinTimRiker: as in serial console?
22:33.03TimRikeryeah
22:33.08TimRikerfor like 300 machines
22:33.11sorphinmy cisco 2511 works nicely
22:33.12sorphinoh
22:33.13sorphin300
22:33.14sorphinheh
22:33.18sorphinyou'd need a few then
22:33.21sorphinthis only has 16
22:33.22TimRiker=)
22:33.29TimRikerexpandable?
22:33.43sorphinyeah, you buy another ;)
22:33.48CosmicPenguinTimRiker: roll your own... :)
22:33.54sorphinthe 2600 series might be
22:34.03TimRiker2511 is a router, no?
22:34.10sorphinbyt the 2500 series (aka the 2511) is fixed at 16
22:34.25sorphinyes, but it is also a terminal server
22:35.29TimRikerah. different model box. /me found docs
22:36.00sorphinCosmicPenguin: the whole prob is, currently it cycles ok, except the yellow arrow flashes, heh, the guy that made it said he's gonna send me a new chip, but i'd still like to be able to make my own alterations, heh
22:36.09TimRikersorphin: does it do ssh?
22:37.06CosmicPenguinsorphin: oh, for sure
22:37.31sorphinTimRiker: unfortunately no, not enough horse power for that, iirc.. hell, my 1600 series routers barely do.. but you can do private vlans, or just ethernet it directly to a secure box
22:37.57sorphinCosmicPenguin: think anyone around there has messed w/ it?
22:38.26sorphinTimRiker: the only other (off the top of my head) choice i know of is digi gear (sorry, kergoth)
22:38.37sorphinor an army of Portmasters
22:39.07sorphinyou'd still need multiple boxes tho.. 300 is a lot of ports to shove in 1 box :)
22:41.44sorphinyeah
22:41.55sorphini've only worked w/ the ciscos and the portmasters tho
22:42.02sorphinand kergoth would know the digis
22:44.42CosmicPenguinsorphin: I doubt it - this is more of a 8051 crowd
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22:50.18CosmicPenguinI can never tell if the copy is talking a really long time, or if I crashed the box
22:53.52TimRikercisco has a model that support up to 112 ports: http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/access/acs_serv/cisasm/asmhim/15877.htm
23:10.54CosmicPenguinhehe - leds are fun
23:16.40sorphinCosmicPenguin: oh well
23:16.48sorphinoh, speaking of LEDs
23:17.16sorphinpicked up a nice lil 8 LED aluminum flashlight, for $6.95... brighter than my maglite, depending on what you wanna do
23:17.32sorphinTimRiker: well there ya go then
23:17.40sorphinTimRiker: best to buy used if yo ucan tho
23:17.47sorphincisco charges $$$$$$$$

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