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13:28.15prpplaguesjhill: morning
13:28.21prpplaguesjhill: whats cookin today?
13:28.31prpplaguesjhill: your fpga stuff coming along?
13:28.55sjhillprpplague: i'm teaching myself vhdl right now
13:29.06sjhillall my other time is consumed with uclibc/NPTL
13:29.26prpplaguesjhill: ahh
13:29.36prpplaguesjhill: i'd like to learn vhdl myself
13:29.38prpplaguesjhill: time issue
13:29.48prpplaguesjhill: you get the linux tools working?
13:30.14sjhillyep yep
13:30.17sjhillthey work great
13:30.25sjhilli even programmed my fpga development board
13:30.59prpplaguesjhill: cool, which voard did you get?
13:31.37sjhilluh
13:31.43sjhillwww.digilent.com
13:31.46sjhill$100
13:31.51sjhillwhat a bargain
13:34.48prpplaguesjhill: hmm. no digilent.com
13:35.06sjhillhold on
13:35.30prpplaguedigilentinc.com
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13:36.21prpplaguesjhill: spartan-3 ?
13:36.40sjhillprpplague: http://www.xilinx.com/products/spartan3/s3boards.htm
13:36.45sjhillwww.digilent.us
13:36.46sjhillsorry
13:37.33prpplaguesjhill: cool
13:37.48prpplaguesjhill: and the linux tools are good?
13:39.18[g2]sjhill, are you playing with the S3 ?
13:39.50[g2]there's also the S3e board $149 and has 16MB DDR
13:42.47prpplague[g2]: i'd like to purchase on and learn myself, but jeeze where do you find the time
13:43.05prpplague[g2]: hehe, i'm still learning all about jtag, hehe
13:43.13[g2]nod.
13:47.11sorphinmoin, sjhill, dave
13:47.21prpplaguesorphin: lo ho
13:47.29sorphinprpplague: takes one to know one
13:48.53prpplaguesorphin: i'm a slut not a ho
13:52.05sorphinprpplague: own that lil island yet?
13:52.11prpplaguesorphin: not yet
13:52.31prpplaguesorphin: keeping an eye on a storm moving off the coast of africa though
13:52.58sorphinthe hell w/ the Isle of Man, when you're done, barbaros will be, the Isle of Plague
13:53.31prpplaguehehe
13:53.48prpplaguesorphin: hehe, well the island has lost some of its luster lately
13:53.55sorphinuh oh
13:54.03sorphinwhy's that?
13:54.10prpplaguesorphin: but then again anywhere you go you can get tired of things
13:54.32prpplaguesorphin: oh nothing major, just the level of customer service here is very different than in the states
13:54.41sorphinprpplague: you haven't even been there long enough to get to that stage yet, slow down :P
13:54.57sorphin'uh... the US has customer service?
13:55.05sorphini thought it was all outsourced to India
13:55.08prpplaguesorphin: actually the gov here is spending a large amount trying to educate the locals about customer service
13:55.13prpplaguesorphin: not that kind
13:55.41prpplaguesorphin: i.e. going into a store and purchasing something
13:55.55sorphinnod
13:56.55sjhilllo' sorphin
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14:01.53prpplaguesorphin: did you read that link about "mappers" and "packers" ?
14:13.28sorphinprpplague: eh?
14:14.12prpplaguesorphin: http://www.reciprocality.org/Reciprocality/r0/index.html
14:14.20prpplaguesorphin: facinating
14:14.24chouimatmorning
14:14.29prpplaguesorphin: _very_ facinating
14:15.41prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hey hey
14:15.50prpplagueCosmicPenguin: played with a PIC over the weekend
14:15.57prpplagueCosmicPenguin: almost purchased one
14:16.58CosmicPenguinprpplague: heh - what did you think?
14:17.51prpplagueCosmicPenguin: nice other than the winblows
14:17.59CosmicPenguinheh
14:18.18prpplagueCosmicPenguin: it was outside and the temp was hot, but the case was still very cool
14:18.20CosmicPenguinwell, you have to admit, that version of CE isn't too bad
14:20.33CosmicPenguinis C&W improving their marketing?
14:22.07prpplagueCosmicPenguin: they seem to be half-heartedly trying to push it
14:22.12sorphinCosmicPenguin: well, unless the US suddenly becomes a 2nd or 3rd world country...
14:22.23prpplagueCosmicPenguin: its marketed as the "MaX Station"
14:22.27sorphinthat sounds like C&W
14:25.23prpplagueCosmicPenguin: http://www.candw.com.bb/barbados/products/internet/max/
14:26.21prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i'm thinking about getting one for the house
14:26.49CosmicPenguinFor the kids?
14:26.52prpplagueCosmicPenguin: yea
14:27.00prpplagueCosmicPenguin: $250USD isn't bad
14:27.11CosmicPenguinThey're selling them for $250 USD?
14:27.19CosmicPenguinwith a monitor?
14:27.32prpplagueCosmicPenguin: monitor, keyboard, mouse, max station, adsl modem and one month internet
14:27.46CosmicPenguinThats not so bad
14:27.53CosmicPenguinadsl modem through a USB net  dongle?
14:28.37prpplagueCosmicPenguin: uh, i didn't notice, does the max not have a nic?
14:28.59prpplagueCosmicPenguin: duh
14:29.11prpplagueCosmicPenguin: yea i suspect that the adsl modem would be usb based
14:30.28CosmicPenguinprpplague: as far as  I know, the only SKU we have today has a modem on board
14:30.38CosmicPenguinBut maybe they tossed in a NIC when I wasn't looking
14:30.58prpplagueCosmicPenguin: http://www.candw.com.bb/barbados/products/internet/max/max_pricing.html
14:31.20prpplagueCosmicPenguin: nothing to crack, howto's have already been posted
14:31.35CosmicPenguinOh really?
14:31.39CosmicPenguinWe haven't heard
14:31.53prpplagueCosmicPenguin: where have you been? hehe, i was like two weeks after they were announced
14:32.02prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i think i have it book marked
14:32.06CosmicPenguinOh - there was that one fool who took it apart
14:32.14CosmicPenguinbut he never figured out how to replace CE
14:33.36prpplagueCosmicPenguin: he booted linux
14:34.26CosmicPenguinDo you have that bookmark?
14:36.05prpplaguehttp://pair.offshore.ai/pic/
14:36.31prpplagueCosmicPenguin: uh did you read this - http://www.amdboard.com/pic.html
14:37.42CosmicPenguinyeah - he booted it on a mini-ITX
14:38.07sorphincute
14:38.10sorphin"Thanks for your support! Your friends at AMD"
14:38.40CosmicPenguinWhy is there a picture of a SC1200 on that page?
14:39.09sorphinand he still can't get the pic itself to run linux
14:39.10prpplaguehehe you tell me
14:39.33prpplaguehmm, maybe i miss read it
14:40.35sorphinUpdate 6/10/05 UPS / still no Linux on PIC
14:40.35sorphinAnother interesting thing about a low power system is that your UPS lasts much longer. If you have a UPS that will keep a 160 watt server running for 30 minutes, then it would keep an 8 watt server running for something like 10 hours.
14:40.35sorphinStill have not found anyplace where you can get a PICs that runs Linux.
14:40.59sorphinbooting on another geode board doesn't count
14:41.11prpplagueahh, i thought he  ment purchasing one with linux pre-installed
14:41.22prpplaguei didn't get the fact that he was talking about two different boards
14:41.47prpplaguehehe, i might have to get one just to hack
14:41.52prpplaguevoid my warranty
14:41.54CosmicPenguinI do too
14:42.01sorphinwarranty shmarranty
14:43.46CosmicPenguinI doubt it
14:43.58sorphinso do i
14:44.03CosmicPenguinI'm not telling you guys how to do it
14:44.08sorphinexactly
14:44.19sorphinand that's on record in ibots logs now :)
14:44.30prpplagueyea, but i'd hate to jeopordize your position there
14:44.30sorphinibot: botsnack
14:44.30ibotsorphin: :)
14:44.39CosmicPenguinI am a interested observer - and quite frankly, if you guys all figure out how to run LInux on it, we have an oppertunity to sell that many more
14:44.40sorphinprpplague: he does that on his own ;)
14:45.36CosmicPenguinI'll tell you what, when you get PIC and start hacking it - start a different room, and I won't participate directly in the investigation
14:45.54prpplagueCosmicPenguin: will do
14:46.12CosmicPenguinBut I will be happy to discuss GX issues as the pertain to our most excellent reference platforms
14:46.24CosmicPenguinOr to the Mambo, available now in .de
14:46.50prpplagueCosmicPenguin: yea, saw that the other day
14:47.53sorphinvery few aren't these days
14:48.33CosmicPenguinMan, you totally need to get one
14:48.36prpplaguesorphin: the winmodems sold in the carib and south america are not
14:49.24sorphinprpplague: well, i'm not in the carib nor south america (and likely will never be in either place), so... none that i've seen
14:51.12prpplaguesorphin: i know, but i was simply pointing out that your statement "very few" was not accurate
14:51.43prpplagueCosmicPenguin: actually i like the one from the .de company better, hehe
14:52.09CosmicPenguinprpplague: except that they stuck a hard drive on it
14:52.24CosmicPenguinI prefer it with the DOM
14:52.27prpplagueCosmicPenguin: yea, the one from .de has a nic
14:52.43CosmicPenguinyep
14:52.57CosmicPenguinthe one from .de is that thin client refrence platform you've seen before
14:52.58prpplague~convert 265 eur to usd
14:53.11prpplague~convert 265 euro to usd
14:53.35prpplague~convert 265 EUR to USD
14:53.45prpplaguewell fudge
14:53.55prpplaguewhat the hell is the symbol for euros?
14:54.18prpplague~265 EUR to USD
14:56.38prpplague~exchange 265 EUR to USD
14:56.59prpplagueyikes
14:57.34sorphinit's about as sick as pound sterling to USD
14:57.50sorphin~convert 1 UKP to USD
14:57.58sorphinhrm
14:58.17prpplaguesorphin: have to use exchange
14:58.23prpplaguesorphin: BSP iirc
14:58.25sorphinah, yeah, duh
14:58.44prpplague~exhange 1 BSP to USD
14:58.57sorphinbah
14:59.00sorphinstill gets it wrong
14:59.07sorphinkeeps saying ZWD
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14:59.35prpplague~exhange 1 GBO to USD
14:59.37sorphinGBP
14:59.40prpplague~exhange 1 GBP to USD
14:59.49sorphin~exchange 1 GBP to USD
14:59.53prpplaguehehe
15:00.35sorphinheh
15:00.42sorphinso it's .569
15:00.47sorphinwhen i was in the UK
15:00.49sorphinit was .66
15:01.14prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hehe, well if things don't change, i'll pick one up on the 15th
15:03.21prpplaguehehe - http://crackerdiet.net/pub/resistor-pr0n.jpg
15:04.27sorphinoh lord
15:04.31sorphini won't ask how you found that
15:04.41prpplaguesorphin: someone on #electronics posted it
15:04.48sorphinthat's.... strange
15:05.26CosmicPenguinheh - I saw that a while ago
15:05.59sorphinwhat do you get when 2 geodes have sex? heh
15:06.28prpplaguei give up? what?
15:07.07sorphina cpu that needs a fan :P
15:08.47CosmicPenguinHmmmm... we're hiring a senior person more senior then the engineers, and they're telling me he won't be a manager
15:09.04sorphinheh
15:09.16sorphinmaybe it's senior as in old? :)
15:09.20CosmicPenguinWe need code monkeys, not some jackass who knows a guy
15:11.47sorphinas you should be
15:17.06prpplaguesorphin: did you read that link about "mappers" and "packers" ?
15:19.49sorphinprpplague: started to
15:20.06sorphinmy brain won't retain anything right now, it seems
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15:50.00prpplagueok guys
15:50.17prpplaguewe got the final go ahead on the "Lnode" board
15:50.50prpplagueanyone wanting to code for hardware, send me an email at dave123_aml@yahoo.com
15:54.26CosmicPenguinprpplague: you mean verilog?
15:57.51prpplagueCosmicPenguin: no, the small arm720t board we've been working on
15:58.09prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hehe www.ldevices.com
15:58.44CosmicPenguinYou said - code for hardware
15:58.59prpplagueCosmicPenguin: we have a wiki setup, and probably gonna send out 5-10 board in exchange for code and docs
15:59.24CosmicPenguinYou worded it funky
15:59.25prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i.e. you give me code, i give you hardware
15:59.30prpplagueCosmicPenguin: oh sorry
15:59.32CosmicPenguinCode in exchange for hardware
15:59.51CosmicPenguinI see "code for hardware", and I think asic
15:59.56prpplagueCosmicPenguin: "will work for food" "wiil work in exchange for food"
16:00.28prpplagueCosmicPenguin: guess the "in exchange" is hard to write on cardboard, hehe
16:04.24sorphinheh
16:04.31sorphinprpplague: any specs/pics of the hw?
16:04.43sorphinor is that on that ldevices?
16:05.17sorphinprpplague: btw, a guy here at work just made that resistor p0rn his wallpaper, heh
16:06.01prpplaguesorphin: hehe
16:06.34sorphin<sorphin> prpplague: any specs/pics of the hw?
16:06.35sorphin<sorphin> or is that on that ldevices?
16:06.45prpplaguesorphin: one sec
16:06.47sorphink
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16:08.13sorphinTimRiker: moin
16:10.44prpplaguesorphin: lh79520 - 60mhz, 4 or 8mb flash, 16 or 32mb ram, sd/mmc socket, all on .1" headers
16:11.20sorphink, and what all needs to be done... everything?
16:11.30prpplaguesorphin: about 20% bigger than a cf card
16:12.32prpplaguesorphin: i have bootloader,kernel and a ramdisk, with sd/mmc card support, which is all of the hardware :D
16:12.48prpplaguesorphin: just looking for projects and howtos
16:13.14prpplaguesorphin: i.e. how to connect a sed1330 lcd controler, how to make a keypad matrix
16:13.34sorphinah
16:15.38prpplaguesorphin: hmmmm
16:19.13sorphinheh, just showed the resistor pic to a female geek friend, and she said, "now the real question is, do the LEDs actually light"
16:19.14sorphinheh
16:22.51prpplaguehehe
16:23.00sorphinprpplague: i've been turned into a web code lackey, because i've had none of my own projects anymore, just all work crap, and being in telecom, you don't get much hw coding, tho i was gonna dig into the openwrt stuff since i have 2 wrt54g's now, and know the head lackey
16:24.12prpplaguesorphin: whos the head lackey on that?
16:24.35sorphin[mbm] aka mbm aka embeem aka mike baker
16:24.39fileI've been turned into a VoIP code monkey
16:25.05filefull time.
16:25.25TheCollectorfile: for whom?
16:25.37filehttp://www.asterlink.com/
16:25.44prpplaguefile: this would be cute if you could do some voip with it
16:25.47filewell, that's where my employment is but we are many companies
16:26.05filelast I counted we were 22
16:26.40fileTheCollector: did you work for maybe livevoip... icenet... someone else?
16:27.14sorphinprpplague: it have an mmu or is it mmuless?
16:27.28TheCollectorfile: Novolink
16:27.34filenovolink, that sounds familiar
16:27.37TheCollectorwww.novolink.net
16:27.49TheCollectorbased in Friendswood, TX
16:28.13TheCollectorlots of traffic b/w Europe and Mexico
16:28.26filewe do our international through 3Utelecon
16:30.11TheCollectorwe did a lot of our own - it was a pretty cool job, for not having any specalized skills and being in HS
16:30.15fileno origination?
16:30.30filethat's what we need, a nationwide provider of DIDs... with T.38 fax
16:32.07filewhat did you do there?
16:33.06TheCollectorfile: just basic stuff, did some rate analysis, GW config, all sorts of stuff
16:33.16TheCollectorjack of all trades, master of none
16:33.18fileooh what hardware
16:33.23fileCiscos?
16:34.00TheCollectoryeah, all Ciscos
16:34.20TheCollectoryey, lunch time
16:34.46fileand to be more specific, probably... wait for it... 5300s?
16:35.23cbrakeprpplague: the phoenix rises again: http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS9409204036.html
16:35.44sorphinfile: mci used/uses that, along with mediatrix boxes, etc and cisco phones and pingtel phones
16:36.34fileyup
16:36.42filepingtel is sponsoring the conference I'm working on ;)
16:43.32prpplagueTimRiker: all moved?
16:45.43sorphinprpplague: yo, miss the question?
16:46.05sorphingawd, i dunno if i'll make it through today, i can barely function, muchless type
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16:49.42sorphinand there's mr andersen
16:56.19prpplaguesorphin: atleast you don't have to be coding menus for wpa support
17:07.25anderseesorphin: morning
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17:13.35mallumCosmicPenguin: whats an au1200 ?
17:13.49mallumCosmicPenguin: RP recently did a load of arm stuff for oprofile
17:17.38CosmicPenguinmallum: alchemy
17:17.42CosmicPenguinmallum: mips
17:18.15mallumah okey
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17:32.13CosmicPenguinseems to be suffering from a goodly amount of bitrot
17:37.30anderseeCosmicPenguin: is the the alchemy oprofile support in mainline oprofile?
17:37.43CosmicPenguinnope
17:39.31[g2]andersee, thx for submitting some patches for speeding up monotone
17:40.18anderseeCosmicPenguin: you already implemented the oprofile support, or are working on it?
17:40.34CosmicPenguinandersee: currently working on it - I'm just bitbaking oprofile now
17:40.43andersee[g2]: that was someone named "Eric Anderson", not me....
17:41.01andersee[g2]: so I can't take credit
17:41.14[g2]doh!
17:41.22[g2]:)
17:51.19TheCollectorfile: yep, we used 'em
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18:03.06ali1234does anyone know anything about libtinyc.so? seems to be a cut down libc for embedded devices, but i can'tfind out who made it or where it came from
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18:16.29prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hehe, MaX comercial on the radio
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19:55.01TimRikerprpplague: not yet moved, but here at the new job.
20:06.06prpplagueTimRiker: ahh
20:06.16prpplagueTimRiker: hows the wifey taking it?
20:13.45TimRikerfine. she's down in st george visiting her mom.
20:14.04prpplagueahh
20:19.10Georgehey prpplague
20:19.44prpplagueGeorge: howdy
20:19.51Georgeprpplague: how's things these days?
20:20.52prpplaguessdd
20:20.54prpplague:D
20:24.11Georgessdd?
20:27.09prpplaguesame stuff different day
20:34.13Georgeah
20:36.50sorphinusually not 'stuff' tho
20:49.12CosmicPenguinWhew - that was a long interview
20:51.19TheCollectorCosmicPenguin: you were the interviewer?
20:51.37CosmicPenguinYeah
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21:04.53prpplagueCosmicPenguin: oprah? didn't know she did OSS
21:05.35CosmicPenguinSometimes I fear the lack of a explosion more then I fear the explosion itself
21:05.48CosmicPenguinreminds me of a Ray Romano bit
21:06.12CosmicPenguin"I went in for my first prostate exam, and I wasn't nearly as scared that it would hurt then I was scared that it wouldn't"
21:08.16CosmicPenguinNeither do I, but I heard that on my trip this weekend and thought it was fairly funny
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22:31.06CosmicPenguinI hate to be railroaded
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23:07.16chouimat|foodhttp://www.theonion.com/news/index.php?issue=4127&n=2
23:28.27MonMothaok, looking for a single board computer, x86, PII-early PIII type performance, 1 PCI slot, size of a webpal
23:28.31MonMothaany suggestions?

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