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03:15.13sjhillwho is awake that is currently using Xilinx WebPACK under Linux?
03:20.55MonMothasjhill: I attempted to use the real Xilinx software in linux, and it wouldn't even begin to run
03:21.04MonMothatheir windows emulation library was hopelessly busted
03:21.28sjhilli actually have the stuff for linux installed and working
03:21.33sjhill7.1i
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03:21.49sjhilli was able to synthesize and create the program bitstream
03:21.51MonMothayou got further than me
03:21.54Genesisdebian ?
03:21.58sjhilli'm trying to get the parallel port driver working
03:21.59sjhillGenesis: yes
03:22.17Genesisi tried to get the linux altera dev tools
03:22.41Genesisi subcribe to the site , and get a windows version in my letter box
03:22.42Genesis...
03:23.07Genesisaltera mailman sux ... it's all i can say
03:23.23MonMothacommercial software on Linux seems to suck in general
03:23.26sjhillah, i may have found the answers to the problem
03:23.32MonMothaI had to install Maple by hand...took me over 5 hours
03:23.57Genesisslackware ?
03:23.58Genesis:]
03:24.03MonMothaDebian unstable
03:24.16Genesis:/
03:25.09MonMothaI can give you the tarball, but you'll have to work out the licensing and libraries on your own
03:28.55Genesisbonne nuit / ++
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03:55.32sjhillw00t!!!!!
03:55.41sjhillsuccessful programming of FPGA
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12:29.22prpplaguemorning all
12:29.49pb_hi plague
12:31.56prpplaguepb_: howdy howdy
12:32.01prpplaguepb_: good weekend?
12:32.24pb_yep, not too bad
12:33.04pb_had a bottle of this last night: http://ratebeer.com/beer/dogfish-head-world-wide-stout-2003-(21,-ca-and-uk-release)/27970/
12:33.06pb_very nice it was too
12:33.26prpplaguepb_: yea, had that one before, very nice
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13:05.05prpplaguepb_: working on anything cool?
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13:05.26sorphin~lackeyslap sjhill
13:05.26ibotACTION slaps sjhill around like the lackey they are.
13:05.33sorphinwow
13:05.41sorphinthat's what i call a lackeyslap
13:05.47sorphinpb_: wotcher
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13:06.01sorphinsjhill: wow, i slapped you so hard i slapped you out of the channel
13:06.06pb_prpplague: bit of jtag, actually
13:06.09pb_hi sorphin
13:06.11sjhill:)
13:06.47sjhillwelcome to another exciting episode of "Monday Melancholy"
13:06.57prpplagueho ho ho, merry freakin monday
13:07.03prpplaguepb_: lovely
13:08.01sjhillwell, after a couple of hours i got Xilnx webpack working and was able to program my fpga under linux
13:08.10sjhillwow, that was a learning experience
13:10.04prpplaguesjhill: i bet
13:10.27prpplaguesjhill: i've heard that fpga dev has a step learning curve
13:11.07sjhilli shall be l33t mast3r when i am done though
13:11.19sjhilldoubtful
13:11.22prpplaguehehe
13:12.27prpplaguesjhill: wait till your critters get old enough for school.........
13:13.42sjhilli'll teach them fpga programming then
13:13.56sjhillreminds me, i need to start reading geometry to my son
13:14.01sjhillyou think i'm kidding
13:14.08prpplaguesjhill: chandler broke a window at school friday
13:14.12prpplaguesjhill: then lied about it
13:14.15prpplaguesjhill: :(
13:14.19sjhillhoo boy
13:14.40sjhillcan he sit down currently?
13:14.46prpplaguesjhill: uh no
13:14.56sorphinheh
13:15.21ade|deski blame the parents
13:15.22prpplaguewas really disappointed in him over it
13:15.29sjhillunderstandably so
13:15.31sorphinade|desk: ditto ;)
13:15.32prpplagueade|desk: i do as well
13:15.55ade|deskno morality , tut tut
13:16.08sjhillwe need more if it
13:16.17sorphinade|desk: gotta cut some slack tho, he's from TX ;-)
13:16.25sjhillprpplague: well, good luck with that
13:17.10prpplaguesjhill: thanks, i'm afraid this boy is gonna have some rough teenage years, hehe
13:17.30ade|desksorphin: there should never be any slack in your belt when slapping ;)
13:17.36sorphinheh
13:17.53prpplaguehehe
13:18.00sorphinade|desk: i was never hti with a belt, spanked yes, anything more than that i consider excessive force
13:18.03prpplaguemy father used to do me like homer and bart
13:18.13sjhillZachary decided to throw up most of the weekend and scream
13:18.16sjhillit was nice
13:18.19sjhill*sigh*
13:18.50ade|deskmy father never hit me, the threat of my mum was strong enough
13:18.55sorphinand today, i get to work w/ 5 year olds that think fart noises are funny still (not realy 5 years old, but might as well be mentally :-P )
13:19.09sjhillyes!
13:19.10prpplaguesjhill: ahhh, remember the good ol days when you and your wife actually got to out for dinner and a movie?
13:19.12sjhilli found the book!
13:19.18sjhillwhoohoo
13:20.02sjhillhttp://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0395169615/ref=sib_dp_pt/002-5396304-1136829#readerpage
13:20.08ade|deskmy lass had a car accident on Friday night, she was throwing up saturday and sunday with shock
13:20.13sjhilli was looking it for it yesterday, but couldn't remember the title
13:20.18sjhilli loved this book when i was a kid
13:20.42sjhillprpplague: yeah, we still try to twice a mont
13:20.52sjhillprpplague: thankfully, her sister lives 8 minutes from us
13:21.08sorphinade|desk: ouch :(
13:21.10prpplaguesjhill: ahh you're lucky
13:21.28prpplagueade|desk: lovely
13:21.52ade|deskstill , she has the day off today.
13:22.24ade|deskand at some point i need to get the car fixed, she rolled it onto its side
13:22.27sjhillade|desk: eep, sorry to hear that
13:23.17prpplagueade|desk: bummer, mostly shock?
13:23.50ade|deskyeah, she can't believe she walked away from it
13:26.18sorphinade|desk: how'd it happen?
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14:17.46sorphinthe penguin cometh
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14:24.57ade|desksorphin: wet weather a bad road surface, she couldn't have been speeding ( car not able to, plus the marks down the bank aren't very long to indicate speed)
14:25.38Genesisplop
14:28.43sorphinade|desk: lovely
14:28.58sorphinade|desk: well, hope she's fine again asap
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14:53.51prpplaguedoh power outage
14:59.43sorphinprpplague: UPS bubba
15:02.52sorphinyo penguin
15:06.32sorphin"Send Email to Utah, Go to Jail"
15:06.38sorphinwoowoo, glad i don't email utah
15:08.41ade|desksorphin: you been smoking crack again ?
15:10.22CosmicPenguinIt'll be interesting to see if that works
15:10.35CosmicPenguinI don't think its really a half bad idea - until they can't enforce it
15:13.54prpplaguesorphin: doesn't exactly help when the rest of the island is off, hehe
15:18.29sorphinade|desk: /. article
15:18.44sorphinCosmicPenguin: now what's this? another new AMD speed burst?
15:18.50CosmicPenguinyou betcha
15:19.03CosmicPenguinAll six gamers who build their own boxes are excited
15:19.28sorphinhehe
15:20.49CosmicPenguinThats what gets me all angry
15:21.01CosmicPenguinAnybody who knows squat about computers knows that AMD is far superior
15:21.13CosmicPenguinRead all the message boards - you mention intel, and you get laughed off the domain
15:21.33sorphinCosmicPenguin: i've used amd as far back as i can remember.. with 3 exceptions
15:21.41CosmicPenguinBut since 9 out of 10 lusers get their boxes from a major OEM
15:22.34sorphinmy notebook is intel (didn't have AMD cpus in them then), 2nd is my P4, because well... the Opteron wasn't out yet, and well.. all the boucing around w/ the XP/MP, and 3rd, my dual PPro board (one of the only cpus i think intel ever did correctly)
15:23.35CosmicPenguinI have a intel chip in my blade, but that was because it was a frickin' steal
15:23.49sorphinsadly
15:23.53sorphinas fast as my P4 is
15:24.00sorphinit's not what it should be
15:24.03sorphinwhat's realy sick
15:24.04sorphintho
15:24.11sorphinis my PIII/850 in my thinkpad
15:24.18sorphinoutruns my 1ghz Athlon
15:24.23sorphin:-(
15:25.13prpplaguewahoooo, recovered my soureforge account
15:25.45sorphincool on both
15:26.25sorphinfile[laptop]: well, i'm trying to get going more w/ the mini (and i don't mean my car), but alas, there's too much i still do that it just won't handle
15:26.56sorphinanyone have one of the dct5k's handy?
15:27.07file[laptop]nope
15:27.43sorphinfile[laptop]: i said DCT 5000, not Sipura 5000 *grin*
15:28.01file[laptop]I know that you dingo :P
15:30.01sorphinhehe
15:36.20prpplagueok http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8249150994.html
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15:36.50prpplaguehow many ppl here think that "embedded" and "java" belong together, raise your hand
15:37.50T0mWprpplague: that is worse than embedded + C++
15:39.37T0mWThere are degrees of dis-associative behavior by some managers, leading ultimately to full-time commitment to a mental institution.
15:41.10T0mWgenerally, embedded / C++ , and embedded / java are one of the final stages of demensia before total pyschotic collapes.
15:42.21CosmicPenguinThat an a lucid understanding of the inner working of either autotools and or libtool
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15:48.23sorphinT0mW: moin gramps
15:51.54prpplaguebad day for the average joe, good day for corporate types from the supreme court
15:52.48THelianyone had seg fault probs while logging large amount of data into a file with knoppix?
15:53.00THelii'm writing into a mounted disk partition.. and still having probs
15:53.09T0mWgood morning
15:54.07THelimoin T0mW
15:54.11THelihows it goin
15:54.15T0mWprpplague: they only have to make it look like the average guy still has a chance, beyond his paycheck
15:54.58TheCollectorprpplague: what's the latest case of the gov't slapping citizens around?
15:55.03T0mWTHeli: tired & bad mood today, for some reason
15:55.44T0mWmust have been that late night routing an SD connector into my board design.
15:56.02T0mW~nuke prpplague
15:56.24THeliT0mW, lol.. i wonder where u would be if it was a CF connector
15:56.25T0mW~whaleslap prpplague
15:56.25ibotACTION slaps prpplague upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh
15:57.06THeliT0mW, is SD open standard? i tried searching for their spec a long time ago, but couldn't find much info... i did find MMC's docs though
15:57.17T0mWoh, God, I wouldn't, neither of the processors have enough spare pins for CF
15:57.32T0mWnope, you gotta "sign" for it
15:57.38THeliu did?
15:57.48T0mWthey want to keep it a "secret"
15:57.51THelilol
15:57.56THeliok i get the picture
15:58.12T0mWno, so far, I haven't
15:58.15prpplagueTHeli: sd cards are suppose to be backwards compatible with most of the mmc specs
15:58.35prpplagueTHeli: implementing sd/mmc via spi is relatively easy
15:58.41T0mWas long as I can do sector level read / writes, I'll be happy
15:59.01prpplagueTheCollector: try checking cnn.com, they issued a whole set of rullings today
15:59.16TheCollectorprpplague: thanks
15:59.43T0mWprpplague: I've got to check the schematic, then Gerber the board and check those, then it is off to the board house it goes.  Maybe Tuesday.
16:02.47chouimathi
16:04.39TheCollectorprpplague: I assume you were commenting on the telecom ruling that got overturned?
16:06.29prpplagueTheCollector: amoung others
16:06.43THeliT0mW, who do u use for pcb's?
16:06.44prpplagueTheCollector: the grokster rulling, the cable internet rulling
16:07.09TheCollectorah - didnt see the grokster one
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16:08.12T0mWTHeli: Advanced Circuits: http://www.4pcb.com
16:08.35THeliyea.. i used them 2 years ago..
16:08.46THelibut i dont use them for any boards with 2+ layers
16:09.12THeliand i like their 33$ student special
16:09.24T0mWyeah, blind vias are added expense
16:09.36T0mWyeah, blind / buried vias are added expense
16:10.17THeliwell, i dont mind blinded via's that much as i haven't had such a compressed design yet, but 4pcb screwed a couple of orders for me
16:10.56THelihad trace connectivity problems.. but may be they improved now
16:11.42THelii'm doing all my 4, 6 layers with http://www.protoexpress.com/
16:14.56prpplaguei'd love to do this - http://www.myradarproject.com/
16:15.11prpplaguebut i'd be afraid i'd mess with some plans radar or something
16:15.22THelioh damn
16:16.25THeliprpplague, u live on a boat ;) ?
16:16.48sorphinhe lives on an island now
16:16.48sorphinheh
16:17.05THelihaha yea.. barbados right?
16:17.09prpplagueyea
16:17.14prpplaguebarbados, not a boat
16:17.28THeliheh.. same thing.. anything sinkable can be classified as a boat
16:17.32prpplaguebut it would be nice to have it mounted on the roof
16:18.38sorphinheh
16:19.03sorphin"Thank you for calling the purple plague weather hotline"
16:19.09THelilol
16:20.55THeliis there anyway to log an ssh session's output to a file?
16:20.56sorphin"The current temperature here in lovely plagueisland (Formerly known as barbados, before I conquered it), is a pleasant 80F
16:21.21sorphinTHeli: in addition ot putting it on stdout?
16:21.27THeliyup
16:21.30sorphinTHeli: use the script command
16:21.45THelilemme check it out
16:21.56sorphinman script :-)
16:22.44THelivery cool! thanks bud
16:22.49T0mWprpplague: I'd like a mobile unit so I can tell if there are any Black Helicopters overhead
16:23.00prpplagueT0mW: hehe
16:23.07prpplagueT0mW: i just like watching the rain
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16:23.36prpplagueTHeli: you can also use the tee command
16:23.48prpplagueTHeli: ssh bob@home | tee mylog
16:24.17THeliah i c.. thanks
16:25.20T0mWprpplague: I just would like to know when they are looking at those big white stripes on the pavement
16:25.33T0mWheh
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16:38.01sorphinprpplague: i might have to build one of those, if i can find the parts, heh, thanks for the link :-)
16:38.22sorphinT0mW: just wear your tinfoil hat ;)
16:38.28sorphinmallum_: wotcher
16:38.35mallum_hey Soopaman
16:38.39mallum_sorphin: rather
16:40.52sorphinmallum_: how's things mate?
16:41.24mallum_sorphin: ok, busy busy :/
16:41.30sorphinright
16:42.42prpplaguehttp://truetex.com/telecine.htm
16:42.50prpplaguethis guy did his homework
16:59.04T0mWprpplague: that's it Dave, cannot fit anything else on the board: http://www.openhardware.net/board.gif
16:59.35T0mWprpplague: I put the SD connector on the bottom of the board
16:59.48sjhillif i'm routing traces on a pci card, don't they have to be equal length?
17:00.13T0mWsjhill: depends
17:00.23sorphinT0mW: i see whitespace!
17:00.55T0mWsorphin: you see areas where traces are too thick to put any parts
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17:02.12sorphinT0mW: ah
17:03.15T0mWI was thinking of adding a CS8900 10BASE-T, but, you have to stop someplace
17:03.17prpplagueT0mW: lovely
17:03.28sjhillT0mW: i'm concerned about timing of signals
17:03.40prpplagueT0mW: i've got to get a good driver put together for the cs8900 packet wacker design
17:04.22T0mWsjhill: yeah, that is more of a spice thing, you have to predict the prop delay (inductance + capacitance of the individual traces).
17:05.09T0mWprpplague: hey, did you get that 8 bit mode working on the CS8900?
17:06.04prpplagueT0mW: sort of
17:06.13prpplagueT0mW: working about 90%
17:06.20prpplagueT0mW: got put on the back burner
17:06.28prpplagueT0mW: gonna have to start work on it again soon
17:07.45T0mWprpplague: what'
17:07.53T0mWprpplague: what's broken about it?
17:08.07prpplagueT0mW: nothing broken, just not complete
17:08.18T0mWok
17:08.38T0mWprpplague: you're doing proprietary code then for the 8 bit mode.
17:09.04prpplagueT0mW: no and yes, proprietary no, 8-bit yes
17:09.24T0mWheh, predatory code == proprietary code
17:09.37prpplagueT0mW: predatory?
17:09.49T0mWjust my attempt at a joke
17:10.06prpplagueahh ok
17:10.06T0mWprpplague: that shouldn't be too hard to implement
17:10.24T0mWjust rewrite of the CS8900 driver, it is a simple driver
17:10.24prpplagueT0mW: naw, i have the 16-bit code to look at
17:10.34prpplagueT0mW: yea
17:10.57prpplagueT0mW: basically just changing the init codes from 16 to 8 and making sure everything is working
17:11.03T0mWyeah
17:11.16T0mWok, you've actually tested this yet?
17:11.31prpplaguebits and pieces
17:11.56T0mWI was wondering, I could add a cs8900 to that "expansion" connector
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17:12.14prpplagueT0mW: http://www.sparkfun.com/shop/index.php?shop=1&cart=311452&cat=1&itemid=250&
17:12.31prpplagueT0mW: we are making something similiar as an addon board
17:14.15prpplagueT0mW: our design is closer to this one - http://www.sparkfun.com/shop/index.php?shop=1&cart=311452&cat=1&itemid=427&
17:14.21T0mWprpplague: heh, those guys at sparkfun seem to have an active imagination, and a overactive PCB layout package.
17:14.44prpplagueT0mW: ?
17:14.56T0mWprpplague: oh, just a lot of gadgets
17:14.56prpplagueT0mW: you mean about those 8-bit boards?
17:15.00prpplagueT0mW: ahh
17:15.12prpplagueT0mW: most of the things they make are based on circuit cellar articles
17:15.16T0mWah
17:15.52prpplagueT0mW: like the 8-bit cs8900 boards
17:16.10prpplagueT0mW: those are from an article called "the packet wacker"
17:16.19T0mWThat was like the QST Ham Radio magazine, there was a couple of places where you could order kits to build some of the projects.
17:16.51T0mWprpplague: yeah, UDP / IP is not rocket-science
17:17.04T0mWthe protocol stack is the bitch
17:17.30T0mWwell, more a PITA, not that hard
17:17.38prpplagueyea
17:22.11T0mWprpplague: "Not allowed" on those last two URLs
17:22.43prpplagueT0mW: oh yea, freakin sparkfun automatically does a shoping cart
17:23.18prpplagueT0mW: http://www.sparkfun.com/shop/index.php?shop=1&cart=311452&match_criteria=all&rec=&keywords=ethernet+8-bit+interface&
17:23.22prpplaguetry that
17:26.35T0mWheh, not allowed
17:26.40prpplaguejeeze
17:26.40T0mWforget it
17:26.49prpplagueT0mW: just do a search for ethernet and 8-bit
17:26.53T0mWok
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17:36.12prpplagueT0mW: here this should work http://www.sparkfun.com/shop/index.php?match_criteria=all&rec=&keywords=ethernet+8-bit+interface&
17:36.35prpplaguejust have to remove the shoping cart crap from the url args
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17:58.36TimRikerprpplague: I'm here too. sorta. packing today, driving to UT tomorrow.
17:59.31sorphinTimRiker: hope your email is going elsewhere ;)
18:00.00TheCollectorTimRiker: did I see that you needed someone to crate up something at UTD surplus and ship it?
18:18.23TimRikerTheCollector: the HP-2020 tape drive is back there. (100 pounds) along with the card cage (25 pounds) and I've had folks interested in it, but didn't have the time to crate it up myself.
18:18.52TimRikerI might find someone willing to pay someone else to crate it up and ship it. I don't have anyone commited to pay for it yet.
18:20.07TimRikercourse you could pick it up, and offer it on ebay. properly listed it should draw some interest. list it at 1.00 where buyer pays X for crating and then shipping on top of that. that type of thing.
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18:22.53CosmicPenguingreets
18:24.06TimRikersorphin: ? oh. I moved rikers.org over to andersee's place a week ago or so. email goes there. ;-)
18:24.35CosmicPenguinTimRiker: ignore him - he's our acting slashdot reader today
18:25.16sorphincdm: moin mr apple
18:25.31sorphinCosmicPenguin: and you're our resident AMD evangelist ;)
18:25.48CosmicPenguinThats my job
18:27.39CosmicPenguinThat reminds me - its time for our cult meeting
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18:29.34CosmicPenguinAMD is good, AMD is great, we surrender our will, as of this date
18:31.55sorphinhehe
18:32.33sorphinTimRiker: don't forget to unpack your book of mormon when you get off the plane/cross the state line ;)
18:36.28neofob|dslcrofton, how much do think all the omniorb libs take?
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18:46.55TimRikersorphin: ooh. almost forgot that. thanx.
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19:07.16sorphinheh
19:30.11chouimathi sorphin file[laptop] CosmicPenguin prpplague T0mW
19:31.41sorphinchouimat: lo
19:36.47file[laptop]hi
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19:50.54chouimathttp://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0147502683/qid=1119038467/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/104-9755499-3189560
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20:11.39sorphinsjhill: lackeysRus
20:14.10sorphinanyone know where monsarrat is?
20:14.36CosmicPenguinIsland, I  believe
20:14.44CosmicPenguinThere's a very active volcano there
20:14.47sorphinright
20:14.49sorphinbut where
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20:15.02CosmicPenguinIn fact, I think prpplague has been on that island, during a volcanic eruption
20:15.16sorphinprpplague: yo hillbillyislander
20:23.46prpplaguesorphin: yep, btdt
20:23.58prpplaguesorphin: wanna see the photo?
20:25.17prpplaguesorphin: http://www.abcsinc.com/tcsx1/pics/folder6/small-dsc00043.jpg
20:28.04sorphinheh, cool
20:28.09sorphinvolcanic plague
20:29.59prpplaguesorphin: american eagle fligh did an emergency landing to pick up two vulcanologists before the eruption
20:30.28MonMothaYou mean american eagle actually runs flights?  I thought they canceled them all...
20:30.50prpplagueMonMotha: ?
20:30.59prpplagueMonMotha: didn't know they cancelled any
20:31.11MonMothaprpplague: I got stuck in Chicago on my way back to Indy from Japan a couple weeks ago
20:31.18MonMothaalong with a bout 1000 other people
20:31.38MonMothaChicago was really backed up that day, so I can see why they cancelled them
20:31.57sorphinTWA, i had direct flights everywhere out of st louis (where i live).. now... none
20:32.04MonMothabasically, I landed at O'hare and all hell broke loose (they had a friggin' water main break right on top of the AA ticket counter)
20:32.32sorphinhaha
20:33.25MonMothathe problem is that chicago to indy just isn't worth complaining about for all that long
20:36.04prpplagueMonMotha: yea, American Eagle pretty much has the full american air traffic to the bahamas and west indies
20:36.11MonMothaprpplague: ah
20:36.37prpplagueMonMotha: there are other airlines that operate here, just AE is the only american one that does much
20:38.44CosmicPenguinLost of american eagle of Dallas Ft. Worth too
20:40.08CosmicPenguinfor them, mabye
20:40.09MonMothaI still liked the plane I flew from Japan back to the states...the ceiling was duct taped up
20:40.21sorphinCosmicPenguin: shaddup you AMD lackey
20:54.19CosmicPenguinAT least its warm in here from all the Prescott cores
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21:17.21sorphinCosmicPenguin: hehe
21:17.29sorphinandersee: greetings mr andersen
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21:18.04sorphinfile: re
21:19.15file[laptop]silly broken IRC client
21:19.26CosmicPenguinwoo - SD works
21:19.32CosmicPenguinnow, lets see if we can get 4 wire SD to work
21:19.37CosmicPenguinthats the million dollar question
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21:46.32sorphinprpplague: re
21:46.52prpplaguesorphin: had to upgrade the firmware in an AP so i can use PSK
21:47.12sorphinheh
21:47.41sorphinand when i get home, i'm gonna bitchslap some firmware
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22:20.29CosmicPenguinHey sorphin, T0mW
22:20.47CosmicPenguinwhere do you guys normally buy cases for embedded boards
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22:21.45CosmicPenguinI have a 6"x7" board that needs a home
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23:03.00MonMothaCosmicPenguin: yeah, it's been the first hit for my nick for a long time

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