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12:35.04prpplaguesjhill: morning
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13:47.59CosmicPenguinMorning
13:48.15TheCollectorgood morning
13:50.32prpplaguethis is totally interesting reading - http://www.reciprocality.org/Reciprocality/r0/index.html
13:50.38prpplagueanyone read that before?
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14:02.00Croftonhttp://www.reciprocality.org/Reciprocality/r0/index.html
14:02.43CosmicPenguinheh
14:02.50Croftonsorry, needed to get the URL onto the laptop so i could paste it into Im to a friend :)
14:03.20CosmicPenguinoh
14:04.26CroftonHe claims they used to read it several years back
14:04.34Croftonwhen he was in the dot bomb biz
14:04.43Croftonwell sort off dot bomb
14:06.13prpplague"The trouble is, we hit the peak of intensity and exhilaration, and then the damn thing is cracked, and there's nothing to engage with any more. This can lead to a danger of depression at the end of a project, because the fun has stopped."
14:06.41prpplaguetotally on-target
14:06.54CosmicPenguinexactly
14:06.56CosmicPenguinthe challenge is gone
14:07.22CosmicPenguinThink of the excitement you feel (well, at least I feel it), when you have a new spec in front of you, and an empty text buffer on the screen
14:07.41CosmicPenguinAnd then the intensity builds as the #$*% thing won't #@((@ work
14:07.46CroftonThe thrill is gone~
14:08.05CosmicPenguinAnd then boom - its done
14:08.17CroftonMy friend remembers the article as pretty good, in a new age kind of way :)
14:08.21CosmicPenguinI have another problem - I tend to get very defensive about my code once it has been finished
14:08.25Croftonheh
14:08.53CroftonI am about to go tell my advisor I can't make him a demo because it is swapping its guts out
14:09.17CosmicPenguinyour Omap is swapping onto flash?
14:09.19CosmicPenguindood!
14:10.08Croftonmicrodrive
14:10.15Crofton(I hope)
14:10.45Croftonroot@omap5912osk:~/procps-3.2.1# free
14:10.45Crofton<PROTECTED>
14:10.45Crofton<PROTECTED>
14:10.45Crofton<PROTECTED>
14:10.45CroftonTotal:        63116        25744        37372
14:12.31Croftonhttp://pastebin.ca/14861
14:12.40Croftonsome vmstat numbers for your amusement
14:41.56CosmicPenguinprpplague: well, I've gotten as far as fairly reliable PIO reads
14:42.21CosmicPenguinbut my setup is really timing sensitive - mess up even a little bit, and the FIFO overruns or underruns, and you're screwed
14:47.44prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hmm
14:47.52prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i'm doing low speed spi
14:47.55prpplagueCosmicPenguin: 5mhz
14:48.01prpplagueCosmicPenguin: so no major problems
14:48.18prpplagueCosmicPenguin: we are just storing some lookup tables, nothing major
14:49.28CosmicPenguinHeh - I'm definately barfing at 20MHz
14:49.43prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i probably could go 10mhz
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15:13.10CosmicPenguinYet a nother fsck up that took me a day and a half to debug
15:13.13CosmicPenguingrrrr
15:13.26CosmicPenguinWe need to face facts here gentlemen - I'm just not a very good programmer
15:14.19prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hehe
15:14.42prpplagueCosmicPenguin: don't beat yourself up, hehe, i spent a week on that lcd issue
15:15.23CosmicPenguinOh well, I guess it works now
15:17.32CosmicPenguinheh - segfault on card removal
15:17.35CosmicPenguinthats nobueno
15:18.06prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hmm, whats causing the segfault? running a fatfs?
15:18.18prpplaguejeeze - http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/05/06/17/127206.shtml?tid=106&tid=7
15:18.54CosmicPenguinprpplague: I think a variable is disasppearing on me
15:19.15CroftonHeh, Linus says De Raadt is "difficult" and declined to comment further
15:19.34prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hmm
15:19.40CosmicPenguinThis all goes right back to what we were talking about before
15:19.49CosmicPenguincollectively, geeks are a bunch of jackasses
15:19.59Croftonam not
15:20.58CosmicPenguinI am - I'm really hard to work with, if you're not on my same wavelength
15:21.08CroftonWe should go look in the openbsd code for silly comments
15:21.15CosmicPenguinThats why I get along with you bastards... :)
15:21.31prpplaguehehe
15:21.38prpplague:D
15:26.57prpplagueodd, no one has bid on this - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4667&item=7522126890&rd=1
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15:29.01prpplagueRuss: re
15:29.34CosmicPenguinLets see
15:29.41CosmicPenguinibot: covert 1000000 feet to miles
15:29.48CosmicPenguinibot: convernt 1000000 feet to miles
15:29.53CosmicPenguinibot: convert 1000000 feet to miles
15:30.16CosmicPenguinThats a goodly amount of fiber
15:30.54prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hehe you could lay that from barbados to three or 4 other islands
15:31.15CosmicPenguinprpplague: you should buy it - start your own cable and wireless company
15:31.30CosmicPenguinI'll get you a deal on PICs... :)
15:32.25CosmicPenguinok, pio works, insert/remove works
15:32.27CosmicPenguinnow, dma
15:32.56Russprpplague: re
15:35.55prpplagueRuss: whats cookin?
15:36.13prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i need to get my keyboard working with interrupts
15:36.24prpplagueCosmicPenguin: just polling right now
15:37.14CosmicPenguininterrupts are good.. :)
15:37.41prpplagueCosmicPenguin: except when they come form co-workers and boss
15:38.24Russclean'n up around the house
15:38.25prpplaguehmm what could i do with 8 million caps
15:38.31Russgf comes back tody
15:39.13prpplagueRuss: from france?
15:40.23prpplaguehttp://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4663&item=7523639662&rd=1#ebayphotohosting
15:40.30Russkorea
15:40.57prpplagueRuss: ahh, i knew she was korean, but some reason i thought she was in france
15:42.34prpplagueCosmicPenguin: these look handy to keep around - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4663&item=7523437029&rd=1
15:43.10Crofton$10!
15:43.44prpplagueCrofton: yea, i was thinking of bidding
15:54.01CosmicPenguinuseful
15:54.09CosmicPenguinyou could use one to tie into the PIC.. :)
16:05.56prpplaguehttp://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4660&item=7524556893&rd=1
16:06.02prpplaguethink i might bid on that one
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16:36.09prpplaguemmmmm - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=36327&item=7522924536&rd=1
16:36.50CosmicPenguinheh - you must be caught up
16:37.56prpplagueCosmicPenguin: yea sorta
16:38.07prpplagueCosmicPenguin: just kinda bummed since yesterday
16:38.48prpplaguei feel like i could sleep a week
16:38.58CosmicPenguinI wish I hadn't thrown away my cuecat
16:39.11prpplaguei'd like to do some juicebox hacking, but i don't have everything i need right now
16:40.09prpplaguehehe yea, i had three or four
16:40.19prpplaguebut i have plenty of bc's these days anyway
17:16.48CosmicPenguinhttp://momentumfire.com/151.html
17:16.49CosmicPenguinuseful
17:22.57prpplaguecute
17:24.18CosmicPenguinpb_: yo
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17:25.14prpplagueCosmicPenguin: leave the poor man along, hehe
17:25.21CosmicPenguinheh
17:25.23prpplaguealone
17:25.25CosmicPenguinok, then you tell me
17:25.30prpplaguehehe
17:25.36CosmicPenguindo you know if the hh.o sd patch is available seperately, or do I need to grock it from CVS?
17:25.55prpplagueek, don't know that one
17:26.04Genesisbonsoir
17:26.07CosmicPenguinsee why I asked pb_?  He's the man in the know
17:26.10prpplaguei don't usually get involved with hh.o's stuff
17:26.12CosmicPenguinoh, well, I'll grock it
17:26.32prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hehe, yea i am just being grumpy
17:26.40prpplagueGenesis: lo
17:26.46Genesislo :)
17:28.12Genesis++
17:28.32CosmicPenguinHe must have segfaulted
17:28.42pb_CosmicPenguin: yo
17:28.57pb_you'll need to pull the SD bits from CVS, I think.
17:29.04CosmicPenguinpb_: nod
17:29.15CosmicPenguinpb_: spilling on to my harddrive as we speak
17:29.27pb_rock
17:29.28CosmicPenguinthanks
18:00.30CosmicPenguinheh - its pretty funny, sd is not that much more complicated then MMC
18:00.39CosmicPenguinbut because it was closed, it stymied us for so damn long
18:00.56CosmicPenguinibot: spell stymied
18:01.05CosmicPenguinwow - thats a first
18:07.54prpplagueug i just found more missing things from the juicebox code
18:09.54CosmicPenguinlol
18:10.18CosmicPenguinI was looking for a rumor SDIO code for the Z, and so I typed the part number into Google, and it turned out to have the same part number as a cock ring
18:10.30CosmicPenguinnow, *that* was an interesting google page
18:11.38prpplaguehehe
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18:30.39prpplaguereadlly surprised that i've not heard back from FSF about Emsoft
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18:48.40Genesisbonsoir
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19:07.27Wingnutdoes anyone know the name of that applications processor that Airlink is using in all its cheap hardware?
19:26.58CosmicPenguinGolly its hot
20:06.43chouimatwtf c=a+++++b;
20:07.39Crofton|laptopheh
20:07.39Crofton|laptopc = a++ + ++b maybe
20:07.58chouimatCrofton|laptop: you're right but seems the guy spacebar is not workinh
20:08.12Crofton|laptopor he is being an ass
20:08.51chouimatCrofton|laptop: or he's trying to make is code hard to read
20:10.03Crofton|laptopor both :)
20:10.14Crofton|laptopdoes it compile?
20:11.07chouimatCrofton|laptop: actualy it does ... and 1[myvar] which is equivalent to myvar[1] works too
20:12.00CosmicPenguinmaybe he has them macroed
20:12.08CosmicPenguingcc won't compile c=a+++++b
20:12.12CosmicPenguinat least 3.4 won't
20:42.59jamieCosmicPenguin: of course not, it tokenises as "c  =  a  ++  ++  +  b" which isn't valid C.
20:43.23jamieDoes any C compiler parse that differently?
20:49.59neofobgcc wont compile c = a++ + ++b
20:50.01neofobbut i try c = (a++) + (++b)
20:50.02neofoband it works
20:50.16prpplaguehehe i think i crash elinux.org
20:51.03prpplaguehehe sourceforge must be down
20:51.15CosmicPenguingcc does too compile a++ +  ++b
20:52.43prpplaguefudge
20:52.55prpplaguei was in the middle of editing the juicebox stuff
20:56.02CosmicPenguinnice
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21:47.10CosmicPenguinhttp://mobile.newsforge.com/mobility/05/06/08/1948202.shtml?tid=97&tid=2
21:47.11CosmicPenguinheh
21:47.23CosmicPenguinWe've got a real live superstar in our midst, folks
21:53.23TheCollectorwe've been using it on out devel boards in Linux OMAP IT&R for a while
21:54.13Crofton|laptopIT&R?
21:54.34TheCollectorIntegration, Testing & Release
21:55.04TheCollector(I work for TI)
21:55.13Crofton|laptopyeah I figured that
21:55.21TheCollector;)
21:55.36Crofton|laptopwe are in a phone conference with some guy from wireless infrastructure
21:55.45Crofton|laptopgotta run now, low battery :(
21:55.49TheCollectorfun
22:15.01Croftonany luck? These are the sega thingies you can run linux on?
22:17.01TheCollectorCrofton: no; my idiot coworker was supposed to bid on one for me when I was out, but he forgot
22:17.11TheCollectorhe's not really an idiot though
22:17.31TheCollectorI'm watching 8 others
22:17.41TheCollectorand yes, it does run linux
22:17.55Croftonheh
22:17.59TheCollectorthey're really cool - cooletr than PS2 IMHO
22:18.14CroftonMaybe I'll go poach one from you :)
22:18.39TheCollectorpoach?
22:22.08CosmicPenguinmarkl hangs out in here sometimes, he's hacked the Dreamcast
22:24.06Croftonsnipe maybe
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