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| 02:54.34 | Genesis | bonne nuit |
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| 13:50.09 | CosmicPenguin | Hello, and welcome to another day of "why the #($#*$ won't this work?" |
| 13:50.58 | sjhill | "Our guest today is Jordan. Jordan is sociopath who loves to code." |
| 13:51.13 | sjhill | "So Jordan, tell us about your mother." |
| 13:56.06 | prpplague | hehe |
| 13:56.11 | prpplague | ahh geek humor |
| 14:04.46 | prpplague | ok this is a question for you professional devrs, |
| 14:06.03 | prpplague | after i finish a difficult project, the next day i feel like #%^#%$^, tired, depressed, lethargic, anyone else have that problem? |
| 14:06.34 | sjhill | yep |
| 14:06.37 | sjhill | that's pretty common |
| 14:06.48 | sjhill | i've had that happen many times |
| 14:06.54 | sjhill | don't sweat it |
| 14:07.19 | sjhill | take a day off, spend time with the family, go shopping and by some new toys |
| 14:07.22 | prpplague | sjhill: hehe, it always happens to me, just didn't know if it happened to anyone else |
| 14:07.24 | sjhill | seriously, that's what i've done |
| 14:08.00 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: that happens to me the same day |
| 14:08.15 | CosmicPenguin | I'll make a break through, check in the code, and then I don't wanna do anything |
| 14:09.49 | prpplague | hehe, i wonder if any psychologists have studied the effect |
| 14:11.53 | sjhill | i think psychologists fear geeks |
| 14:11.57 | sjhill | and they should |
| 14:12.30 | CosmicPenguin | I wonder if the effect works for Microserfs as well |
| 14:12.53 | CosmicPenguin | because I thiink that open source geeks attack their problems a bit harder |
| 14:13.11 | CosmicPenguin | also, because the interfaces they are dealing with are not documented, a good chunk of time is spent pouring through the existing code |
| 14:13.28 | CosmicPenguin | So not only do you need to be ready to write your code, you need to know whats happening with the rest of the code |
| 14:14.46 | prpplague | http://discuss.fogcreek.com/joelonsoftware/default.asp?cmd=show&ixPost=28356 |
| 14:14.55 | prpplague | a little interesting discussion |
| 14:15.17 | prpplague | i have a horrible problem if research things to death |
| 14:15.29 | prpplague | s/if/of |
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| 14:25.44 | prpplague | Crofton|laptop: you are working at a uni right? |
| 14:26.01 | Crofton | yeah |
| 14:26.05 | Genesis | bonjour |
| 14:26.45 | sjhill | Exodus |
| 14:27.04 | prpplague | Crofton: curious if you know anyone in the psych department, be interesting if you asked if they had info regarding this developer depression |
| 14:27.06 | prpplague | sjhill: later |
| 14:27.26 | Crofton | interesting thought |
| 14:27.52 | Crofton | I don't know anyone over there though, but if I run into someone I'll have to ask |
| 14:28.34 | prpplague | Crofton: would be a good project for someone |
| 14:28.45 | Crofton | yeah |
| 14:28.54 | Crofton | they would have access to alot of subjects |
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| 14:38.28 | Genesis | ++ |
| 14:43.05 | CosmicPenguin | Its a serious issue |
| 14:43.13 | CosmicPenguin | we are trained pretty much from birth to be solitary creatures |
| 14:43.31 | CosmicPenguin | and that we must only associate with our own peers |
| 14:45.42 | Crofton | http://www.psyc.vt.edu/cabs/homepage/newprojectspage.htm |
| 14:45.55 | Crofton | I wish my work invovled going to frast parties :) |
| 14:45.59 | Crofton | er frat |
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| 14:47.04 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 14:47.20 | CosmicPenguin | Its not nearly as much fun as it sounds |
| 14:48.00 | prpplague | Crofton: you need to tell the ones doing the flash communication to visit the west indies, they have a full communication using the horn and headlights |
| 14:50.05 | prpplague | kergoth: morning |
| 14:50.10 | kergoth | hey |
| 14:50.39 | [g2] | the MAN is awake! welcome kergoth :) |
| 14:50.44 | kergoth | heh. |
| 14:50.46 | CosmicPenguin | heh - my boss just came in and asked me a geode problem, and it totally rebooted my brain |
| 14:50.53 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:50.55 | CosmicPenguin | Its hard to switch processors in mid stream |
| 14:51.12 | [g2] | CP guess you need hyper-threading :) |
| 14:51.25 | [g2] | makes for easier context switching |
| 14:52.01 | pb_ | morning kergoth |
| 14:53.29 | CosmicPenguin | ~lart [g2] for mentioning hyperthreading |
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| 14:54.06 | [g2] | heh :) |
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| 16:19.57 | T0mW | gdb configure has more flavors of arm processors than Friendly's has of ice cream |
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| 16:26.06 | sjhill | arm and Friendly should not be in the same sentence |
| 16:26.40 | prpplague | sjhill: hehe |
| 16:30.28 | sjhill | wow, that's some of my best lying yet |
| 16:30.33 | sjhill | i love doing software bids |
| 16:34.26 | CosmicPenguin | whew |
| 16:37.57 | T0mW | sjhill: you are in good spirits today. :) |
| 16:39.39 | sjhill | yeah, i get to have lunch with my wife and son in about 10 minutes |
| 16:39.42 | T0mW | I've been attempting to put together some kind of jtag+gdb+insight debug solution... There is a lot of bits & peices of info but nothing definative about how this is done. |
| 16:39.59 | sjhill | are you using u-boot perchance? |
| 16:40.05 | T0mW | no |
| 16:40.09 | T0mW | why? |
| 16:40.21 | sjhill | just did that with u-boot debugging |
| 16:40.29 | sjhill | bdi2000 solution |
| 16:40.33 | sjhill | lunch! |
| 16:40.40 | T0mW | ah, I would like one of those things |
| 16:41.26 | sjhill | yeah, they're pretty nice |
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| 17:59.48 | Crofton | can any give me a few minute intro to partitions in flash .... |
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| 18:05.04 | sjhill | hey chouimat |
| 18:05.27 | Crofton | root@omap5912osk:~# cat /proc/mtd |
| 18:05.27 | Crofton | dev: size erasesize name |
| 18:06.03 | Crofton | Why don't I see anything here .... |
| 18:06.33 | sjhill | because you burnt your flash up |
| 18:06.57 | Crofton | ok |
| 18:06.59 | sjhill | seriously, what does 'dmesg | grep -i mtd' say |
| 18:07.21 | Crofton | nothing |
| 18:07.35 | Crofton | I am feeling like I uilt the kernel with the wrong options ...... |
| 18:08.39 | sjhill | if you do not see any 'mtd' items, you did not even configure mtd into your kernel possibly |
| 18:08.43 | CosmicPenguin | if /proc/mtd is there, you at least got the MTD core in |
| 18:08.47 | sjhill | duh |
| 18:08.50 | sjhill | that's right |
| 18:09.01 | sjhill | ~ibot fishslap sjhill for stupidity |
| 18:09.02 | ibot | ACTION slaps sjhill up side the head with a wet fish for stupidity |
| 18:09.02 | Crofton | ok |
| 18:09.07 | Crofton | heh |
| 18:09.11 | Crofton | not as stupid as me |
| 18:10.42 | Crofton | I guess I need to make a bb file for rc6 and fix up this stuff |
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| 18:34.12 | Crofton | which mtd config options do I need to set for the OSK |
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| 19:27.26 | CosmicPenguin | grr... ok - it just started working |
| 19:27.30 | CosmicPenguin | I hate it when stuff liek that happens |
| 19:34.47 | Crofton | dev: size erasesize name |
| 19:34.47 | Crofton | mtd0: 00020000 00020000 "bootloader" |
| 19:34.47 | Crofton | mtd1: 00020000 00020000 "params" |
| 19:34.49 | Crofton | mtd2: 00200000 00020000 "kernel" |
| 19:34.51 | Crofton | mtd3: 01dc0000 00020000 "filesystem" |
| 19:35.02 | Crofton | OK, that looks better |
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| 19:43.05 | Genesis | coucou |
| 19:45.26 | Genesis | ++ |
| 19:51.15 | T0mW | ~juicebox |
| 19:51.38 | T0mW | ibot: juicebox |
| 19:53.09 | prpplague | http://www.elinux.org/wiki/JuiceBox |
| 19:53.19 | prpplague | T0mW: all my info is there |
| 19:53.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i hate it when "it just starts working" |
| 19:54.53 | T0mW | prpplague: thanks, was just showing a friend the elinux wiki |
| 19:55.56 | prpplague | T0mW: ahh |
| 19:56.16 | prpplague | T0mW: planning to clean up the juicebox stuff this weekend and add a few other linked info pages |
| 19:56.27 | prpplague | T0mW: gonna add a section on the pl110 lcd driver |
| 19:56.34 | prpplague | T0mW: and some lcd info ingeneral |
| 19:58.48 | T0mW | prpplague: I've been playing with some of the jtag chain 0 stuff. the gdb-jtag-arm (arm7tdmi) and jtag-arm9 (arm9tdmi) stuff. I see that I need to rewrite to get it to use the arm720 chain 0 stuff for the lh79520 |
| 19:59.45 | MonMotha | this will take a while... |
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| 20:08.24 | *** topic/#elinux is Embedded Linux || http://eLinux.org/ || cross compile, uClibc, busybox, tinylogin, handhelds, post-sale linux installs ;-), etc. || free embedded linux training at http://free-electrons.com/news/news.2004-09-28/en || see prpplague about custom holly-gates jtag dongles |
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| 20:08.33 | Crofton | Like really old programmable logic device? |
| 20:09.17 | Crofton | weird |
| 20:09.30 | Crofton | I learned pal stuff using that chip |
| 20:09.40 | TheCollector | cool |
| 20:09.53 | T0mW | TheCollector: $30 for board + programmed 22V10 |
| 20:10.16 | T0mW | TheCollector: ... via paypal |
| 20:10.21 | TheCollector | the board == all the other circuitry that's needed? |
| 20:12.57 | T0mW | TheCollector: $40 |
| 20:13.34 | T0mW | TheCollector: that'll get you the 2mm cable needed for the drive |
| 20:14.01 | TheCollector | i meant, what all do you mean by "the board"? |
| 20:14.42 | T0mW | TheCollector: the printed circuit board |
| 20:14.58 | TheCollector | ok |
| 20:15.16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: well we just hired a n00b straight out of college |
| 20:16.07 | TheCollector | T0mW: I'm definately interested; I'll just have to see how the money continues to flow |
| 20:16.59 | CosmicPenguin | mmm.... new blood |
| 20:18.02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i invited him to join in at #elinux, hehe so if he shows up and i'm not here, keep him away from sorphin and sh^h^hfishhead |
| 20:18.18 | Crofton | OK, I want to mount /dev/mtdblock3 as root at boot |
| 20:18.51 | Crofton | root=/dev/mtdblock3 on the boot line in uboot? |
| 20:20.33 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 20:20.41 | CosmicPenguin | you can count on me |
| 20:23.17 | Crofton | hmmm |
| 20:23.31 | Crofton | it seemed to boot off nfs root anyway |
| 20:24.35 | CosmicPenguin | Crofton: you'll also need rootfstype=jffs2 if you are in 2.6 |
| 20:24.41 | Crofton | heh bet I typed the command wrong ... |
| 20:24.47 | Crofton | thanks CP |
| 20:25.45 | Crofton | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:29.02 | Crofton | Well I am booted off flash |
| 20:29.26 | CosmicPenguin | yay> |
| 20:29.52 | MonMotha | T0mW: that's what I'm using. However, the debian package was compiled against older DVB headers that don't support the pcHDTV 3000 |
| 20:29.59 | MonMotha | and I want my hi-def, dammit |
| 20:35.30 | prpplague | chouimat|pub: get back here |
| 20:35.36 | Crofton | Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 20:35.36 | Crofton | /dev/mtdblock3 30464 3704 26760 12% / |
| 20:35.36 | Crofton | /dev/hda1 992088 50536 891156 5% /var |
| 20:35.36 | Crofton | /dev/hda2 992120 43244 898476 5% /usr |
| 20:35.36 | Crofton | /dev/hda3 992120 41076 900644 4% /home |
| 20:35.37 | Crofton | /dev/hda4 960376 33948 877644 4% /opt |
| 20:56.47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: via sure is kicking amd's butt in some of the embedded markets |
| 20:58.43 | CosmicPenguin | Those aren't embedded markets |
| 20:58.56 | CosmicPenguin | geodes aren't disabled pcs and we don't sell them as such |
| 21:00.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i mean like this kiosk unit i have |
| 21:00.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: this would be a perfect unit for geode based |
| 21:02.03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: http://www.tritechcoa.com/product/390475.html#General |
| 21:18.57 | CosmicPenguin | bah |
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| 21:43.37 | CosmicPenguin | cute - they made a little museum in austin |
| 21:43.47 | CosmicPenguin | AMD did that is |
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| 23:12.09 | CosmicPenguin | hmmmm... |
| 23:12.33 | CosmicPenguin | so if I have a task thats waiting, and I schedule a tasklet on that same CPU, I'm not going to see the tasklet until after my task stops waiting, am I |
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