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| 15:12.56 | CP|Laptop | boring! |
| 15:28.27 | T0mW | Wow, this design is old! 68306 processor, 68681, 68562 chips. AFAICT, most of this stuff went EOL a while back.. |
| 15:28.41 | T0mW | a blazing 2.7 mips |
| 15:30.20 | chouimat | T0mW: fun =) |
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| 17:03.29 | TheCollector | is the metal shielding b/w the two boards in the tuxscreen necessary? |
| 17:03.52 | TheCollector | I'm running without it, but my output from the serial line is all messed up... |
| 17:05.07 | TimRiker | if it hurts, don't do it. ;-) |
| 17:05.38 | TimRiker | I really don't know though.. I always left it there. |
| 17:06.24 | TheCollector | ok |
| 17:07.00 | prpplague | TheCollector: its neccessary if you are using the DSP stuff |
| 17:07.19 | prpplague | TheCollector: if you've moved the ucb chip to another area it should be ok without it |
| 17:07.39 | prpplague | TheCollector: i basically just used the core board from tux and built daughter boards |
| 17:07.51 | TheCollector | the core being the bottom one? |
| 17:07.59 | TheCollector | or the two together |
| 17:11.19 | prpplague | TheCollector: core being the one with the cpu+ram_flash |
| 17:11.28 | TheCollector | ok |
| 17:13.31 | TheCollector | so when I run 'flash_lock', I can see the sectors, and they're all unlocked - do I now run 'flash <blob filename>'? |
| 17:14.11 | TheCollector | or do I still need to do that 12V trick? |
| 17:14.51 | prpplague | TheCollector: well if they report unlocked, then i don't see any reason you can't flash it |
| 17:18.19 | TheCollector | that's what I thought - but 'flash <blob>' doesnt seem to do anything |
| 17:19.04 | TheCollector | neither does 'jflash <blob>' |
| 17:19.11 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:19.20 | TheCollector | =\ |
| 17:19.56 | prpplague | TheCollector: you should issue the command flash followed by the actual name of the binary image for blob |
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| 17:20.17 | prpplague | TheCollector: i.e. if you blob is called blob-20030401.bin then thats what you put |
| 17:20.44 | prpplague | TheCollector: and jflash is a seperate application to be used with a jtag interface |
| 17:22.47 | TheCollector | prpplague: yeah, I've been specifying the filename |
| 17:23.03 | TheCollector | & I've got the jtag |
| 17:23.34 | prpplague | TheCollector: ahh |
| 17:24.01 | prpplague | TheCollector: so when you run jflash you don't get any results? |
| 17:24.21 | TheCollector | nope - it closes as soon as it opens |
| 17:24.49 | TheCollector | same as flash |
| 17:25.51 | prpplague | closes? |
| 17:26.09 | prpplague | TheCollector: are you running it from window in x? |
| 17:27.43 | TheCollector | no, that gave an error about problems opening an xterm |
| 17:27.53 | TheCollector | this is from a regular terminal |
| 17:27.56 | TimRiker | with jflash iirc you need to pipe from the file. ie: jflash < blob-20030401.bin |
| 17:28.03 | TheCollector | ah |
| 17:28.13 | prpplague | TimRiker: hmm, the jflash i have you don't |
| 17:28.25 | TimRiker | ok. there are different versions.. =/ |
| 17:28.33 | prpplague | TimRiker: hmm |
| 17:28.51 | prpplague | TimRiker: iirc the one that was part of the tuxscreen software was heavily modified |
| 17:28.53 | TheCollector | TimRiker: thanks! |
| 17:28.59 | prpplague | TimRiker: so i'm sure thats different |
| 17:29.17 | TheCollector | the pipe didnt work w/ jflash, but seems to work w/ regular flash |
| 17:30.35 | TimRiker | cool |
| 17:31.13 | TheCollector | w00t! |
| 17:31.25 | TheCollector | now I need a kernel and rootfs |
| 17:31.25 | TimRiker | iirc there are command line options to set the offset, but blob wants 0 which is the default. |
| 17:31.30 | TimRiker | =) |
| 17:31.33 | CosmicPenguin | wow - cool - I may have just lost us a customer |
| 17:31.39 | TheCollector | eep =\ |
| 17:32.09 | TimRiker | TheCollector: http://tuxscreen.net/download/v0.6/ |
| 17:34.02 | TheCollector | TimRiker: got blob and the two jffs2 FS that are in there |
| 17:34.46 | TimRiker | cool. the smaller jffs2 just has a shell, and the large one has x |
| 17:34.49 | TheCollector | the one I just flashed is blob-20020709 - does it have a kernel in the image? |
| 17:34.55 | TheCollector | nice |
| 17:35.02 | TimRiker | the kernel is in the jffs2 image, yes. |
| 17:36.18 | TheCollector | ok - and do I just flash the image to the address where blob starts looking for the kernel (0x000e0000 on my board) |
| 17:37.12 | TheCollector | ah - bet instructions are in the wiki somewhere |
| 17:37.13 | TimRiker | well, it'll be faster over serial with xdownload |
| 17:37.20 | TheCollector | ok |
| 17:38.22 | TimRiker | http://www.tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/InstallingLinux |
| 17:38.52 | TheCollector | thanks |
| 17:39.51 | TimRiker | that page had old and really old info intermixed.. =( |
| 17:41.00 | TimRiker | just connect at 115200n81 do "xdownload ramdisk" then send xmodem, then "erase ramdisk" and "flash ramdisk" |
| 17:41.25 | TheCollector | thanks |
| 17:44.58 | TimRiker | I recommend folks do the "erase" cause with jffs2 you want the remaining blocks nicely erased. "flash" only erases blocks it actually writes to. |
| 17:47.22 | TheCollector | ok |
| 17:47.51 | TheCollector | on the wiki, it mentions 'uuencode zImage foo > /dev/ttyS0' |
| 17:48.28 | TheCollector | but the 'zImage' part apparently isnt valid, & its not in the man pages - is it necessary? |
| 17:51.08 | TheCollector | guess it is, cause w/o it, blob gives an "invalid argument" error right after downloading it |
| 17:52.51 | TimRiker | TheCollector: that's old stuff. use xdownload |
| 17:54.04 | TimRiker | do NOT send a separate kernel over for basic flashing. just xdownload the jffs2 image which includes it. |
| 17:54.05 | TheCollector | oh, xdownload on the pc side? |
| 17:54.28 | CosmicPenguin | hehe |
| 17:54.29 | CosmicPenguin | uuencode |
| 17:54.49 | TimRiker | no, on the pc side use an xmodem send. in minicom that's ctrl-a then s and you need lrzsz installed. |
| 17:55.18 | TheCollector | gotcha |
| 17:55.31 | TimRiker | iirc blob still supports text upload using uuencode, but don't do that unless your xmodem is messed up. |
| 17:55.36 | TheCollector | ok |
| 17:55.55 | TheCollector | I'll document all this stuff too, & update the wiki |
| 17:59.19 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:59.21 | prpplague | ~slashdot |
| 18:01.11 | TimRiker | k. we likely want to make an OldInstall or something and just leave the new stuff on a page. |
| 18:21.01 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: heh - I hope I don't get fired |
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| 18:24.28 | TheCollector | howdy, sorphin |
| 18:38.15 | sorphin | lo |
| 18:48.15 | chouimat | hi sorphin |
| 18:48.48 | sorphin | chouimat: lo |
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| 18:52.39 | sorphin | s/appear/appeal/ |
| 18:54.23 | sorphin | CP|Laptop: afternoon mr penguin |
| 18:54.55 | CosmicPenguin | afternoon back at cha |
| 18:55.16 | sorphin | stupid blocking sockets |
| 18:57.03 | sorphin | cgi forks and spawns server, cgi then tries to connect to server (it's a proxying thing, so this is done this way for a reason), however, cgi cant' connect to server till cgi dies, and then tries again, wtf would the server be blocking (which is what it looks like it's doing)? |
| 19:02.39 | TheCollector | when the tuxscreen boots, does the kernel continue to display data to the serial port? (mine is currently headless, & I'm not sure whats happening) |
| 19:04.08 | [g2] | netconsole may be your friend :) |
| 19:06.42 | TheCollector | [g2]: no network interface |
| 19:07.27 | [g2] | TheCollector, that makes it a little more challenging :) |
| 19:07.35 | [g2] | leds and morse code ? |
| 19:07.37 | [g2] | :) |
| 19:09.04 | TheCollector | hehe - mebbe I should just wait to work on it when I get home and can put its head on |
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| 19:13.55 | TheCollector | TimRiker: does the kernel send any data to serial when its starting, or does it all go to the touchscreen? |
| 19:16.24 | CosmicPenguin | other way around |
| 19:16.24 | CosmicPenguin | it all goes to the serial port |
| 19:16.24 | TheCollector | damn |
| 19:18.23 | CosmicPenguin | At least it should - maybe Tim configured his kernel differenlty |
| 19:18.27 | TheCollector | I'm not getting anything, and i 'xdownload kernel' & 'flash kernel', but it doesn't display anything on serial |
| 19:19.11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: fired?????fired??? |
| 19:19.16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: what did you do this time |
| 19:20.20 | prpplague | TimRiker: hehe is elinux getting hammered? |
| 19:20.35 | sorphin | lo dave |
| 19:20.50 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I totally lost a huge customer |
| 19:22.28 | Crofton_ | thats no good |
| 19:22.29 | [g2] | CP sorry to hear that :( |
| 19:22.38 | TimRiker | TheCollector: don't recall which way the command line options were compiled in. certianly goes to the screen, and you can build a kernel that logs to both, none, or either. |
| 19:22.45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yikes |
| 19:23.14 | sorphin | CP got made redundant? ouch |
| 19:23.19 | [g2] | sorphin, um to minutes ago ? |
| 19:23.34 | sorphin | [g2]: wasn't in my scrollback |
| 19:23.50 | [g2] | right after you "lo dave" |
| 19:24.03 | sorphin | [g2]: that just says he lost a customer |
| 19:24.12 | TimRiker | TheCollector: you did see info from blob to flash, yes? then do you see blob output on the next boot? |
| 19:24.32 | [g2] | sorphin, mine says 'huge customer" |
| 19:25.19 | [g2] | huge referring to large hence important |
| 19:25.20 | sorphin | [g2]: yeah, but the fired bit was before that |
| 19:25.20 | TimRiker | or just heavyset |
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| 19:26.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: on the geode side of things? |
| 19:27.01 | CosmicPenguin | well, a customer is a customer, right? :) |
| 19:27.43 | TheCollector | TimRiker: I do 'flash ramdisk' and then a 'boot' - then I see "unable to find kernel... loading raw data & hoping for the best loaded 0x000e0000" then it says "starting kernel..." and I see nothing else |
| 19:28.00 | TheCollector | CosmicPenguin: hope thinkd work out for ya |
| 19:28.09 | TheCollector | s/thinkd/things |
| 19:28.10 | [g2] | CP did you ever hear the story about Jack Welch and the senior VP ? |
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| 19:29.34 | TimRiker | TheCollector: that's bad... it need to find a kernel inside the jffs2 image. |
| 19:30.35 | TheCollector | kinda what I thought, so I grabbed a kernel from 0.4 and did 'xdownload kernel' & 'flash kernel' & i ended up getting the same stuff |
| 19:32.20 | TheCollector | one thing i noticed is that the address that it starts looking at (0x000e0000) is not the same as where the ramdisk is put (0x00040000, I think) |
| 19:32.31 | TimRiker | TheCollector: try xdownloading blob and "reblob" to see if it runs ok, then redownload, erase blob and flash blob. then re-xdownload, erase and flash the jffs2 |
| 19:32.42 | TheCollector | ok |
| 19:34.24 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: bummer dude |
| 19:35.24 | prpplague | sorphin: hey, btw |
| 19:35.47 | prpplague | TimRiker: hehe, i bet elinux.org is getting hammered |
| 19:36.03 | TimRikerBB | Why? |
| 19:36.46 | TimRiker | ahh. /. link. fine. it's on sf. it'll handle it. |
| 19:36.50 | prpplague | ~slashdot |
| 19:36.59 | prpplague | juicebox hacking |
| 19:38.14 | TimRiker | watch it for spamming. might have to lock the site for a while. |
| 19:39.11 | prpplague | TimRiker: ok |
| 19:49.51 | TheCollector | TimRiker: the above doesn't work |
| 19:50.23 | TheCollector | is there a way to configure blob to look to a certain address for a kernel w/o recompiling it? |
| 19:58.44 | TimRiker | TheCollector: nope. if you compile in environment support, then yes. but Tux doesn't. |
| 19:59.07 | TimRiker | TheCollector: explain "doesn't work" |
| 20:00.43 | TheCollector | ok - I xdownloaded blob, 'reblob'ed, redownloaded, erased and flashed - I got the same problem (unable to find kernel) as before |
| 20:01.33 | TheCollector | I continued and followed the jffs2 instructions. same problem (no kernel) so i tried w/ another image, and got the same problem |
| 20:05.08 | TheCollector | i just downloaded, erased & flashed another jffs2 image. it says it is downloaded at 0xd0000000, and it looks like the flash reserved for it is at 0x00020000, while blob is looking at 0x00010000 for a kernel |
| 20:06.31 | TheCollector | blob seems to sit at 0x00000000, params (whatever that is) sits at 0x00010000, and both kernel & ramdisk seem to be at 0x00020000 |
| 20:07.41 | TheCollector | mebbe I should feed it a kernel for a 'xdownload params' |
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| 20:20.34 | TimRiker | the new blobs for the tux do not look directly for a kernel. they look for a jffs2 image with a kernel inside. |
| 20:21.04 | TimRiker | they download into ram, then flashing them puts them in the real location. |
| 20:22.26 | TimRiker | I didn't think the release blob up there used params. if so, then you can set stuff like command line args at runtime. |
| 20:22.40 | TimRiker | I don't have a tux here, or I'd check it out. =( |
| 20:23.11 | TheCollector | ok - know if the args are documented on the wiki? |
| 20:24.12 | TheCollector | if not, i can probably compile my own |
| 20:26.33 | TimRiker | I don't understand why you are having these issues. I've flashed many a tux with nothing but the blob and jffs2 images from that directory. They should work. |
| 20:26.53 | TimRiker | perhaps your flash is not fully unlocked? and blob can't save some of the jffs2 image? |
| 20:27.31 | TimRiker | you should be able to xdownload a kernel and then boot it without flashing. |
| 20:27.39 | TheCollector | ok |
| 20:27.47 | TimRiker | I've been working with uboot so much I forget the blob syntax. |
| 20:28.31 | TheCollector | hmm - i'll check it |
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| 20:48.33 | CosmicPenguin | heh - 19 people have the JuiceBox wiki bookmarked on del.icio.us |
| 20:50.56 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.users.bigpond.com/tobbe/aisin_gps.htm |
| 20:52.03 | prpplague | hehe |
| 20:52.29 | prpplague | wish i had more time to hack, but i'm seriously behind on work |
| 20:52.37 | CosmicPenguin | where oh, where could that au1200 datasheet be? |
| 20:53.11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: did ya loose some face with the company when you lost that customer? |
| 20:54.05 | CosmicPenguin | like I said - my future here is not certain |
| 20:54.50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yikes, that bad? |
| 20:55.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: was it a personality problem with the customer or something tech wise? |
| 20:57.49 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: just me being an idiot |
| 21:02.03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: sorry d00d |
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| 21:11.34 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I've had a good run.. :) |
| 21:26.13 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: still.... |
| 21:26.25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: think you'll be able to get some work there in the area? |
| 21:26.33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i know you jsut built a house |
| 21:30.07 | CosmicPenguin | yeah, if worse comes to worse, there are good gigs in the area |
| 21:35.18 | prpplague | hehe, those guys on /. seem to always miss the point |
| 21:35.35 | prpplague | they are all pissing about playing videos and music on the device |
| 21:35.50 | prpplague | i'm like, who cares about that, they are a cheap dev platform |
| 21:39.26 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 21:39.32 | CosmicPenguin | leave it to /. |
| 21:39.36 | prpplague | yea |
| 21:40.41 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: seems like geekdom has been attracting alot more ......whats the phrase....socially agressive personalities |
| 21:42.20 | CosmicPenguin | Its the internet - one can fairly anonmously be a jackass |
| 21:42.46 | CosmicPenguin | And its empowering |
| 21:43.42 | CosmicPenguin | Many geeks have a aggressive personality with things they are familiar with |
| 21:43.43 | sorphin | any perl monkeys? (advanced perl) |
| 21:44.24 | CosmicPenguin | But they also tend to be socially inept and introverted - but on the internet (where they are familiar with the landscape) they can let their personality shine through |
| 21:44.37 | CosmicPenguin | Me, for example |
| 21:46.33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea yea, but only our esteemed friend sorphin is very agreesive here! |
| 21:46.43 | prpplague | sorphin: where ya been lately? |
| 21:47.47 | sorphin | prpplague: work, house, wife, wash, rinse, repeat, and seeing as our last contact wasn't on the best of nature, i've stayed out of the channel |
| 21:49.00 | prpplague | sorphin: contact with me? |
| 21:49.14 | prpplague | sorphin: or the channel? |
| 21:49.59 | sorphin | YOU |
| 21:50.03 | sorphin | 'sorry |
| 21:50.08 | sorphin | damn sun keyboard |
| 21:50.13 | sorphin | didn't mean to cap that |
| 21:50.26 | prpplague | sorphin: really? |
| 21:51.09 | prpplague | sorphin: yikes i must have been A) really tired B) drunk or C) both A and B |
| 21:51.27 | sorphin | yeah, i made some joke, you /quit and people prodded me |
| 21:51.34 | sorphin | iirc |
| 21:51.47 | prpplague | sorphin: hmm, i don't recall that |
| 21:51.55 | prpplague | sorphin: what were the jokes about? |
| 21:53.29 | sorphin | was something relating to your move and a record or something, i forget, but it hit you the wrong way apparently |
| 21:53.49 | sorphin | ok, this perl is gonna be teh death of me, i swear |
| 21:53.50 | prpplague | hmm |
| 21:53.54 | prpplague | hehe |
| 21:54.12 | sorphin | script spawns off a server via fork |
| 21:54.21 | sorphin | script tries to connect to server via socket |
| 21:54.42 | sorphin | script can't connect, but an external version of the script (i.e. one that didn't spawn the server), can |
| 21:55.27 | prpplague | sorphin: well for future reference, we could have a knock down drag out argument and leave on bitter terms in the evening, but next morning, its all over for me |
| 21:56.15 | sorphin | ok |
| 21:56.37 | prpplague | sorphin: hehe, elinux-buds |
| 21:56.45 | sorphin | ;) |
| 22:46.30 | CosmicPenguin | Oh - I remember that |
| 22:46.36 | CosmicPenguin | yeah, that was bad |
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