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12:58.04 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
12:58.09 | prpplague | merry freakin friday |
13:05.47 | prpplague | T0mW: http://www.dontronics.com/pasat.html |
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14:19.17 | TimRiker | ~uzi |
14:19.19 | ibot | rumour has it, uzi is a Linux and Solaris loving computer geek. |
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14:49.10 | chouimat | morning |
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15:39.19 | Crofton | anyone here have any experience with copyright assignment for open source projects? |
15:52.15 | T0mW | Crofton: meaning what? |
15:55.29 | Crofton | meaning like how we accept code contributions, without risking somone claiming our code is infected with theirs |
15:56.30 | T0mW | Crofton: well, that is what Linus is doing with the kernel. Any contribution has to be "certified" as being un-encumbered. |
15:56.42 | Crofton | yeah |
15:57.10 | CosmicPenguin | Crofton: and there is a certain amount of accounting that you will end up having to do |
15:57.15 | Crofton | That is what we want to do, but it is a headache dealing with the uni lawyers at times |
15:57.32 | Crofton | CP, such as? |
15:57.32 | CosmicPenguin | Crofton: which is porportional to the cash reserves of your originization |
15:57.39 | Crofton | heh |
15:57.46 | CosmicPenguin | Crofton: well, we are working on making a clone of the OE tree for the Geode |
15:57.49 | T0mW | Crofton: you could require the same type of thing from others. If it is merely a correction to your code, then nothing is needed. Unless, someone contributes massive code, then you have the question |
15:58.08 | CosmicPenguin | Crofton: so we had to go through each .bb and certify the license of each patch and the licence of each package |
15:58.16 | Crofton | ouch |
15:58.17 | CosmicPenguin | Crofton: even for the .bbs that we aren't building |
15:58.28 | Crofton | But I understand your concern |
15:58.51 | CosmicPenguin | Crofton: and really, its not that we don't trust kergoth and friends, its that if they accidently put something out, then there's probably not going to be a lawsuit |
15:59.07 | Crofton | We are at the point where we want to invite contributions, but do not want to do anything that could bite us in the butt |
15:59.10 | CosmicPenguin | But with us, somebody probably wouldn't mind going afer AMD |
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15:59.19 | Crofton | Deep pockets |
15:59.23 | T0mW | heh, ditto |
15:59.34 | CosmicPenguin | Exactly |
15:59.38 | T0mW | pay 'em 10k to go away |
15:59.45 | CosmicPenguin | Its a pain in the ass - the lawyers are horrible |
16:00.01 | CosmicPenguin | Thankfully, we've already been through the "gee - the GPL might not be good" stage |
16:00.14 | Crofton | Yeah, the lawyer here doesn't seem to get Open source |
16:00.27 | Crofton | she tried to get us to use a n open source license she wrote |
16:00.44 | T0mW | more bucks for her |
16:01.26 | Crofton | heh, it had some structural problems so we ust used LGPL/GPL |
16:01.44 | Crofton | the guy that made the decision was impressed with my logic |
16:02.08 | Crofton | Well, the linux kernel is very successful, so we should use that license :) |
16:02.44 | T0mW | sounds to me like you're going to have to have someone who is a "maintainer", verifying and forwarding contributions to the developers? |
16:03.13 | Crofton | sort off |
16:03.24 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: how did you get the people to "sign off" on their copyright? email? |
16:04.00 | Crofton | We are operating in a space where there would be substantial interest from large corporations |
16:04.46 | Crofton | basically we are doing an open source implementation of http://jtrs.army.mil/sections/technicalinformation/fset_technical_sca.html |
16:05.32 | CosmicPenguin | T0mW: hmmm.... |
16:05.38 | CosmicPenguin | T0mW: no sign off - thats probably bad |
16:06.05 | CosmicPenguin | We verified licences only - in the future, sign off is probably important |
16:06.09 | T0mW | I would think that "due diligence" would need to be shown though |
16:06.40 | CosmicPenguin | We generated cute little word reports showing the licenses |
16:06.46 | Crofton | heh |
16:06.48 | Crofton | word |
16:06.56 | T0mW | heh, "shall" and "will" I've learned have severly different meanings to a lawyer |
16:06.58 | CosmicPenguin | and we actually turned away a few packages that were too vague |
16:07.06 | CosmicPenguin | Crofton: we're talking about laywers here... :) |
16:07.07 | Crofton | CosmicPenguin, does AMD have any "interesting" embedded products? |
16:07.13 | Crofton | right |
16:07.20 | Crofton | My sister is in law school |
16:07.27 | T0mW | nod |
16:07.37 | CosmicPenguin | Crofton: depends on the meaning of "interesting" and "products" |
16:07.53 | CosmicPenguin | Crofton: we produce the low power Geode (x86 based) and Alchemy (MIPS) processors |
16:07.59 | Crofton | I like the OMAP OSK board, except it is USB1.1 |
16:08.10 | T0mW | I had one attorney explain the wording in a confidentiality agreement I had worked up between a customer + myself |
16:08.21 | Crofton | low power is good, do you have any evel boards |
16:08.36 | CosmicPenguin | Crofton: sure - I can get you anything you like - what are you interested in? |
16:08.42 | T0mW | heh |
16:08.49 | Crofton | anything with usb2.0 |
16:08.51 | T0mW | how much can you spend |
16:08.53 | T0mW | ? |
16:08.54 | T0mW | heh |
16:08.55 | Crofton | heh |
16:09.14 | CosmicPenguin | Anything with usb 2.0, huh? |
16:09.22 | T0mW | freakin' eval board costs are through the roof lately |
16:09.29 | Crofton | that is prefered, I need to talk to a usrp |
16:09.35 | Crofton | ~usrp |
16:09.36 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, usrp is a Universal Software Radio Peripheral or http://comsec.com/wiki?UniversalSoftwareRadioPeripheral |
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16:10.12 | T0mW | Unclued Service Rep Person |
16:10.15 | Crofton | I am hacking at the usrp to survive on 1.1, but it is slow |
16:10.19 | Crofton | heh |
16:10.41 | CosmicPenguin | Crofton: OK, when I said get you anything, I lied |
16:10.48 | Crofton | the usrp people have annoyed some of the expensive radio board guys |
16:10.59 | CosmicPenguin | The Au1200 (MIPS) processor supports 2.0, but the RDKs are ready yet |
16:11.12 | Crofton | I suspect as much, but I am interested in what is available, even if we have to pay |
16:11.15 | Crofton | ok |
16:11.28 | CosmicPenguin | And on the Geode side, there will be things coming in the next few months, but nothing I can get you today |
16:11.32 | Crofton | Is there a web site with info on evel products? |
16:11.40 | Crofton | er eval |
16:11.43 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.amd.com/us-en/ConnectivitySolutions/ProductInformation/0,,50_2330_6625,00.html |
16:11.44 | CosmicPenguin | Alchemy |
16:11.59 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.amd.com/us-en/ConnectivitySolutions/ProductInformation/0,,50_2330_9863,00.html |
16:12.00 | CosmicPenguin | Geode |
16:12.12 | CosmicPenguin | Anything listed on those pages I can get you |
16:12.47 | Crofton | Without reading th epages, I assume OE can build images? |
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16:13.44 | CosmicPenguin | Yeppers |
16:14.08 | CosmicPenguin | It supports 586 instruction sets, but glibc actually works better as a 486, since the pipelining is different then a pentium |
16:14.28 | Crofton | cool |
16:14.57 | CosmicPenguin | Someday we need to add Geode specific assembly functions to glibc, but not today.. :) |
16:15.00 | CosmicPenguin | or tommorrow for that matter |
16:17.01 | Crofton | Thanks, I'll keep these in mind for projects |
16:17.28 | CosmicPenguin | Let me know if I can be of any help - I like taking the cluebat down to marketing and sales |
16:17.56 | Crofton | Will do |
16:18.20 | Crofton | If one was to try and buy an eval board, about how much $ are they asking? |
16:18.53 | Crofton | rom is fine |
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17:00.13 | CosmicPenguin | Crofton: sorry, emergencies aplenty today |
17:04.06 | CosmicPenguin | Crofton: I don't know how much the boards cost (all the web sites have "call for price") - but if you have an decent oppertunity for purchasing, I'll bet you can get a loaner from sales |
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19:40.35 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.woot.com/woot_detail.aspx |
19:40.36 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm.... |
19:41.11 | CosmicPenguin | Thats cheep ass |
19:41.13 | CosmicPenguin | and ass cheep |
19:41.31 | kergoth | wow |
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20:34.30 | prpplague | wow is right |
20:34.38 | prpplague | wonder what chipset its running |
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21:13.24 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: did I tell you that I fixed that console bug? |
21:28.42 | jacques | anyone dealt with that woot thing before? |
21:28.54 | jacques | I get red flags all over the place reading their faq |
21:32.55 | CosmicPenguin | I dunno |
21:32.58 | CosmicPenguin | I saw them on Gizmodo |
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22:26.43 | CosmicPenguin | Heh - one of the posts on Google Sightseeing is from where I grew up |
22:27.07 | CosmicPenguin | And thats pretty impressive - since I grew up in the middle of nowhere wyoming |
22:45.55 | Soopaman | google sight seeing? |
22:50.27 | fishhead | you guys want to see a crazy advisor |
22:50.29 | fishhead | you guys want to see a crazy advisory |
22:50.33 | fishhead | not necessarily work safe |
22:50.38 | fishhead | but I didn't make this up either |
22:51.01 | fishhead | anyone ? |
22:55.14 | CosmicPenguin | Soopaman: http://www.googlesightseeing.com/ |
22:58.19 | kergoth | neat |
23:02.31 | CosmicPenguin | Its really addictive looking for stuff on Google maps |
23:02.43 | cdm | hey kergopth - what are you up to? |
23:03.41 | CosmicPenguin | LIke for example |
23:03.45 | CosmicPenguin | Old faithful: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=44.460500,-110.828243&spn=0.006394,0.009345&t=k&hl=en |
23:05.08 | jacques | that copyright notice is really annoying tho |
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23:11.04 | CosmicPenguin | stupid proxy |
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23:53.57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hey, so you got the console stuff fixed? |
23:54.29 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: heh yeah |
23:54.52 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: the 1920x1440 console was 240 rows by 90 cols |
23:55.06 | CosmicPenguin | And it turns out that the vgacon is resized *before* it swtiches from VGA to framebuffer |
23:55.27 | CosmicPenguin | so they were resizing the buffer, and then copying the vga dram into the screenbuffer |
23:55.33 | CosmicPenguin | problem is that the VGA dram is only 32k.... :) |
23:55.41 | CosmicPenguin | and 240x90x2 is about 43k |
23:55.54 | CosmicPenguin | So we were actually copying in video BIOS |
23:56.13 | prpplague | lovely |
23:56.29 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm still struggling with some pl110 fb stuff |