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12:58.04prpplagueho ho ho
12:58.09prpplaguemerry freakin friday
13:05.47prpplagueT0mW: http://www.dontronics.com/pasat.html
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15:39.19Croftonanyone here have any experience with copyright assignment for open source projects?
15:52.15T0mWCrofton: meaning what?
15:55.29Croftonmeaning like how we accept code contributions, without risking somone claiming our code is infected with theirs
15:56.30T0mWCrofton: well, that is what Linus is doing with the kernel.  Any contribution has to be "certified" as being un-encumbered.
15:56.42Croftonyeah
15:57.10CosmicPenguinCrofton: and there is a certain amount of accounting that you will end up having to do
15:57.15CroftonThat is what we want to do, but it is a headache dealing with the uni lawyers at times
15:57.32CroftonCP, such as?
15:57.32CosmicPenguinCrofton: which is porportional to the cash reserves of your originization
15:57.39Croftonheh
15:57.46CosmicPenguinCrofton: well, we are working on making a clone of the OE tree for the Geode
15:57.49T0mWCrofton: you could require the same type of thing from others.  If it is merely a correction to your code, then nothing is needed.  Unless, someone contributes massive code, then you have the question
15:58.08CosmicPenguinCrofton: so we had to go through each .bb and certify the license of each patch and the licence of  each package
15:58.16Croftonouch
15:58.17CosmicPenguinCrofton: even for the .bbs that we aren't building
15:58.28CroftonBut I understand your concern
15:58.51CosmicPenguinCrofton: and really, its not that we don't trust kergoth and friends, its that if they accidently put something out, then there's probably not going to be a lawsuit
15:59.07CroftonWe are at the point where we want to invite contributions, but do not want to do anything that could bite us in the butt
15:59.10CosmicPenguinBut with us, somebody probably wouldn't mind going afer AMD
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15:59.19CroftonDeep pockets
15:59.23T0mWheh, ditto
15:59.34CosmicPenguinExactly
15:59.38T0mWpay 'em 10k to go away
15:59.45CosmicPenguinIts a pain in the ass - the lawyers are horrible
16:00.01CosmicPenguinThankfully, we've already been through the "gee - the GPL might not be good" stage
16:00.14CroftonYeah, the lawyer here doesn't seem to get Open source
16:00.27Croftonshe tried to get us to use a n open source license she wrote
16:00.44T0mWmore bucks for her
16:01.26Croftonheh, it had some structural problems so we ust used LGPL/GPL
16:01.44Croftonthe guy that made the decision was impressed with my logic
16:02.08CroftonWell, the linux kernel is very successful, so we should use that license :)
16:02.44T0mWsounds to me like you're going to have to have someone who is a "maintainer", verifying and forwarding contributions to the developers?
16:03.13Croftonsort off
16:03.24T0mWCosmicPenguin: how did you get the people to "sign off" on their copyright?  email?
16:04.00CroftonWe are operating in a space where there would be substantial interest from large corporations
16:04.46Croftonbasically we are doing an open source implementation of http://jtrs.army.mil/sections/technicalinformation/fset_technical_sca.html
16:05.32CosmicPenguinT0mW: hmmm....
16:05.38CosmicPenguinT0mW: no sign off - thats probably bad
16:06.05CosmicPenguinWe verified licences only - in the future, sign off is probably important
16:06.09T0mWI would think that "due diligence" would need to be shown though
16:06.40CosmicPenguinWe generated cute little word reports showing the licenses
16:06.46Croftonheh
16:06.48Croftonword
16:06.56T0mWheh, "shall" and "will" I've learned have severly different meanings to a lawyer
16:06.58CosmicPenguinand we actually turned away a few packages that were too vague
16:07.06CosmicPenguinCrofton: we're talking about laywers here... :)
16:07.07CroftonCosmicPenguin, does AMD have any "interesting" embedded products?
16:07.13Croftonright
16:07.20CroftonMy sister is in law school
16:07.27T0mWnod
16:07.37CosmicPenguinCrofton: depends on the meaning of "interesting" and "products"
16:07.53CosmicPenguinCrofton: we produce the low power Geode (x86 based) and Alchemy (MIPS) processors
16:07.59CroftonI like the OMAP OSK board, except it is USB1.1
16:08.10T0mWI had one attorney explain the wording in a confidentiality agreement I had worked up between a customer + myself
16:08.21Croftonlow power is good, do you have any evel boards
16:08.36CosmicPenguinCrofton: sure - I can get you anything you like - what are you interested in?
16:08.42T0mWheh
16:08.49Croftonanything with usb2.0
16:08.51T0mWhow much can you spend
16:08.53T0mW?
16:08.54T0mWheh
16:08.55Croftonheh
16:09.14CosmicPenguinAnything with usb 2.0, huh?
16:09.22T0mWfreakin' eval board costs are through the roof lately
16:09.29Croftonthat is prefered, I need to talk to a usrp
16:09.35Crofton~usrp
16:09.36ibotextra, extra, read all about it, usrp is a Universal Software Radio Peripheral or http://comsec.com/wiki?UniversalSoftwareRadioPeripheral
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16:10.12T0mWUnclued Service Rep Person
16:10.15CroftonI am hacking at the usrp to survive on 1.1, but it is slow
16:10.19Croftonheh
16:10.41CosmicPenguinCrofton: OK, when I said get you anything, I lied
16:10.48Croftonthe usrp people have annoyed some of the expensive radio board guys
16:10.59CosmicPenguinThe Au1200 (MIPS) processor supports 2.0, but the RDKs are ready yet
16:11.12CroftonI suspect as much, but I am interested in what is available, even if we have to pay
16:11.15Croftonok
16:11.28CosmicPenguinAnd on the Geode side, there will be things coming in the next few months, but nothing I can get you today
16:11.32CroftonIs there a web site with info on evel products?
16:11.40Croftoner eval
16:11.43CosmicPenguinhttp://www.amd.com/us-en/ConnectivitySolutions/ProductInformation/0,,50_2330_6625,00.html
16:11.44CosmicPenguinAlchemy
16:11.59CosmicPenguinhttp://www.amd.com/us-en/ConnectivitySolutions/ProductInformation/0,,50_2330_9863,00.html
16:12.00CosmicPenguinGeode
16:12.12CosmicPenguinAnything listed on those pages I can get you
16:12.47CroftonWithout reading th epages, I assume OE can build images?
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16:13.44CosmicPenguinYeppers
16:14.08CosmicPenguinIt supports 586 instruction sets, but glibc actually works better as a 486, since the pipelining is different then a pentium
16:14.28Croftoncool
16:14.57CosmicPenguinSomeday we need to add Geode specific assembly functions to glibc, but not today.. :)
16:15.00CosmicPenguinor tommorrow for that matter
16:17.01CroftonThanks, I'll keep these in mind for projects
16:17.28CosmicPenguinLet me know if I can be of any help - I like taking the cluebat down to marketing and sales
16:17.56CroftonWill do
16:18.20CroftonIf one was to try and buy an eval board, about how much $ are they asking?
16:18.53Croftonrom is fine
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17:00.13CosmicPenguinCrofton: sorry, emergencies aplenty today
17:04.06CosmicPenguinCrofton: I don't know how much the boards cost (all the web sites have "call for price") - but if you have an decent oppertunity for purchasing, I'll bet you can get a loaner from sales
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19:40.35CosmicPenguinhttp://www.woot.com/woot_detail.aspx
19:40.36CosmicPenguinhmmm....
19:41.11CosmicPenguinThats cheep ass
19:41.13CosmicPenguinand ass cheep
19:41.31kergothwow
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21:13.24CosmicPenguinprpplague: did I tell you that I fixed that console bug?
21:28.42jacquesanyone dealt with that woot thing before?
21:28.54jacquesI get red flags all over the place reading their faq
21:32.55CosmicPenguinI dunno
21:32.58CosmicPenguinI saw them on Gizmodo
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22:26.43CosmicPenguinHeh - one of the posts on Google Sightseeing is from where I grew up
22:27.07CosmicPenguinAnd thats pretty impressive - since I grew up in the middle of nowhere wyoming
22:45.55Soopamangoogle sight seeing?
22:50.27fishheadyou guys want to see a crazy advisor
22:50.29fishheadyou guys want to see a crazy advisory
22:50.33fishheadnot necessarily work safe
22:50.38fishheadbut I didn't make this up either
22:51.01fishheadanyone ?
22:55.14CosmicPenguinSoopaman: http://www.googlesightseeing.com/
22:58.19kergothneat
23:02.31CosmicPenguinIts really addictive looking for stuff on Google maps
23:02.43cdmhey kergopth - what are you up to?
23:03.41CosmicPenguinLIke for example
23:03.45CosmicPenguinOld faithful: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=44.460500,-110.828243&spn=0.006394,0.009345&t=k&hl=en
23:05.08jacquesthat copyright notice is really annoying tho
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23:53.57prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hey, so you got the console stuff fixed?
23:54.29CosmicPenguinprpplague: heh yeah
23:54.52CosmicPenguinprpplague: the 1920x1440 console was 240 rows by 90 cols
23:55.06CosmicPenguinAnd it turns out that the vgacon is resized *before* it swtiches from VGA to framebuffer
23:55.27CosmicPenguinso they were resizing the buffer, and then copying the vga dram into the screenbuffer
23:55.33CosmicPenguinproblem is that the VGA dram is only 32k.... :)
23:55.41CosmicPenguinand 240x90x2 is about 43k
23:55.54CosmicPenguinSo we were actually copying in video BIOS
23:56.13prpplaguelovely
23:56.29prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i'm still struggling with some pl110 fb stuff

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