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| 01:25.09 | T0mW | jacques: you around? |
| 01:40.56 | prpplague | T0mW: hey old fart |
| 01:41.07 | prpplague | T0mW: doing any more with the sharp arm stuff>? |
| 01:41.31 | T0mW | messing with the WebPal & Shannon IR keyboards |
| 01:42.16 | prpplague | hehe, i had a ton of those |
| 01:42.26 | T0mW | There is no money, yet, in the LH7xxx stuff |
| 01:42.26 | prpplague | always wanted to do something with them |
| 01:42.36 | prpplague | bummer |
| 01:42.39 | T0mW | they appear to be a 21 bit transmission |
| 01:42.53 | prpplague | T0mW: they still want a proprietary design? |
| 01:42.56 | T0mW | preable is 7 bits: 1110101 |
| 01:43.10 | T0mW | prpplague: yup |
| 01:43.16 | prpplague | tisk tisk |
| 01:43.42 | T0mW | prpplague: they were considering using the card engine stuff, but, I've not gotten any bites yet. |
| 01:44.00 | T0mW | they keep swimming by and admiring the worm |
| 01:44.27 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe, well, maybe after aml introduces their new product based on the lh79520 |
| 01:44.40 | T0mW | prpplague: the Hauppague IR diode hears the WebPal keyboard just fine |
| 01:44.55 | prpplague | cool, i always wondered about that |
| 01:44.56 | T0mW | prpplague: the Shannon keyboard uses the same transmission |
| 01:45.21 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, i found that out early on |
| 01:45.32 | T0mW | prpplague: modulation is 38.4 KHz |
| 01:45.39 | prpplague | T0mW: you can also get a ir remote/sensor set that works with ti |
| 01:45.48 | T0mW | ti? |
| 01:46.48 | prpplague | too |
| 01:46.52 | T0mW | ok |
| 01:46.59 | prpplague | sorry one sec and i'll get you a url |
| 01:47.36 | T0mW | well, I do have some atmel 89C2051 processors and I'm sure I could whip up an IR receiver / PS2 adapter for it, if I wanted to... |
| 01:47.54 | T0mW | s/PS2/PS2 keyboard/ |
| 01:47.57 | prpplague | T0mW: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=51086&item=5192065842&rd=1 |
| 01:48.07 | prpplague | T0mW: i have about 4 or 5 of those |
| 01:48.55 | T0mW | heh, looks identical to the webpal remote |
| 01:48.56 | prpplague | T0mW: the receiver works with the webpal/tuxscreen keyboard |
| 01:49.03 | prpplague | T0mW: it is |
| 01:49.05 | T0mW | nod |
| 01:49.11 | prpplague | T0mW: its the receiver that is the key |
| 01:49.30 | prpplague | T0mW: decodes directly to rs-232 |
| 01:49.33 | T0mW | what's it give you? RS232 data stream? |
| 01:50.10 | T0mW | I'm going to try to decode via LIRC |
| 01:50.52 | prpplague | T0mW: more like xevents |
| 01:50.55 | T0mW | I've alread mounted the dongle diode in the front panel lens of the case. I cut the diode loose from the lolipop shell |
| 01:51.02 | prpplague | T0mW: down keys scans, up key scans |
| 01:51.09 | T0mW | nod |
| 01:51.28 | T0mW | all it has to do is run MythTV |
| 01:51.32 | prpplague | hehe |
| 01:51.58 | T0mW | I plan on using the NewCom IR remote & keyboard for the data input to MythTV |
| 01:52.11 | T0mW | anything else is bonux |
| 01:52.19 | prpplague | ahh |
| 01:52.19 | T0mW | s/bonux/bonus/ |
| 01:52.31 | prpplague | T0mW: well i like to use the ast/logictech for little projects |
| 01:52.40 | prpplague | T0mW: nice to have a quicky remote |
| 01:53.08 | T0mW | I have an externel IR decoder box that I purchased some time ago, I uses some LIRC driver code, IIRC |
| 01:53.47 | prpplague | T0mW: ahh, but rs-232 is easy |
| 01:53.50 | T0mW | I know, I can purchase a solution... But, why bother if the PVR250 already has an IR input? |
| 01:54.27 | T0mW | on the current MythTV box, I have bluetooth keyboard that I use |
| 01:54.50 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, i mean i use it with little embedded stuff |
| 01:55.01 | T0mW | crappy solution becuase you have to get up, go over and push the reset button on the remote interface at the computer |
| 01:55.08 | T0mW | prpplague: hey |
| 01:55.20 | prpplague | T0mW: ? |
| 01:55.47 | T0mW | prpplague: I want to put an 8051 20pin chip processor in this unit, have it monitor the IR reciever, so you can remotely turn the computer ON |
| 01:56.21 | prpplague | hehe |
| 01:56.36 | T0mW | looks like I need -5V to power the diode though, must be some powerline of the ATX supply that is still active while the computer is "off" |
| 01:56.56 | prpplague | T0mW: yea |
| 01:57.04 | T0mW | prpplague: I'm just fuc^H^H^H messing around with some ideas |
| 01:57.58 | prpplague | hehe |
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| 01:59.06 | T0mW | I dunno whether I should add an NVIDIA card to this thing for the TVOUT or take those chips I got a while back and use them (the SVGA --> S-VIDEO seperators) |
| 01:59.45 | T0mW | NVIDIA card would add another $40 to the unit cost, the seperator stuff would prolly be the same (parts + labor)... |
| 01:59.53 | T0mW | more heat |
| 02:00.00 | T0mW | with the nvidia card though |
| 02:00.34 | jjshoe | um |
| 02:00.40 | jjshoe | what about the dealies they use for in dash units? |
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| 02:01.08 | T0mW | prpplague: I quieted the power supply fan down: removed the mini-atx fan and put in a CPU cooler fan, then stuck 4 diodes in series with it to slow the rotation speed. |
| 02:01.44 | T0mW | "dealies" |
| 02:01.45 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe |
| 02:02.28 | T0mW | prpplague: aw, I've been thinking of doing this stuff for a while, now seems like a good time to tinker a bit |
| 02:02.55 | prpplague | T0mW: always a good time to tinker |
| 02:03.01 | T0mW | heh |
| 02:03.30 | T0mW | prpplague: what you been messing with lately? Now that you have a home to put a workshop in and no landlord |
| 02:03.43 | prpplague | i hope no one has any bad feelings about me getting rid of fishead, he's been a real plague(no pun intended) lately |
| 02:03.58 | prpplague | T0mW: 110% on my BSP stuff |
| 02:04.01 | T0mW | prpplague: I keep him on permanent ignore |
| 02:04.41 | prpplague | T0mW: i think i have a permanent inferiority complexe, so i've been going as fast and hard as i can learning how to do good bsp's |
| 02:05.04 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah, when you "consult" you have to do it "better" |
| 02:05.20 | T0mW | pressure is higher, especially work-from-home |
| 02:05.31 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe, i'm still on salary, just telecomute |
| 02:05.54 | T0mW | prpplague: all the time they are thinking that you are goofing off an charging them for that time |
| 02:06.15 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, but i had that feeling even when i was in the office |
| 02:06.20 | T0mW | prpplague: laying in the surf, planning how to do the BSP |
| 02:06.23 | T0mW | heh |
| 02:06.34 | jacques | T0mW, I am now |
| 02:06.40 | T0mW | he |
| 02:06.47 | T0mW | jacques: hey, evening |
| 02:07.05 | T0mW | jacques: found some stuff about the WebPal / Shannon keyboard IR stuff |
| 02:07.06 | prpplague | T0mW: CosmicPenguin (hope i'm not out of bounds) both have a problem with seeming everyone else 2 steps ahead of us |
| 02:07.39 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah, but, WHO are you ahead of? |
| 02:08.00 | T0mW | prpplague: I refuse to burn out again |
| 02:08.56 | T0mW | prpplague: so, I am not the best that I could be, but I'm happy |
| 02:09.30 | T0mW | prpplague: hey! how's the girl-watching? |
| 02:09.31 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe, yea, well i think alot of us, speaking for myself and not to give these ppl big heads, want to be on the level of rmk, andersee, jim gettys, greg unger |
| 02:10.05 | prpplague | T0mW: nice, they were doing a photo shoot yesterday on acra beach |
| 02:10.47 | T0mW | prpplague: life games: knowledge, power, money, family, spiritual, and two more. You can "have it all" at any one of those |
| 02:11.07 | T0mW | choose only one |
| 02:11.11 | jacques | T0mW, I just read the backlog - anything else you found about the keyboard IR? |
| 02:11.36 | jacques | somewhere I have a ps/2 adaptor for that keyboard - got it at surpluscomputers |
| 02:11.53 | jacques | came with keyboard, but it's identical to the tuxscreen and webpal keyboards |
| 02:12.11 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe |
| 02:12.19 | T0mW | jacques: lot more than last night: 38.4KHz modulation, 7 bit preamble (1110101), appears to be a 21bit transmission, bitcell time is 781.25us |
| 02:12.46 | T0mW | jacques: oh, and the IR receiver for the PVR250 sees the transmission |
| 02:12.50 | jacques | 38.4KHz modulation means most things should "see" it right? |
| 02:12.57 | T0mW | jacques: yeah |
| 02:13.04 | jacques | very good to know |
| 02:13.18 | jacques | damn now where did I put the IR receiver for my pvr250... |
| 02:13.34 | T0mW | I would think so, I haven't looked really closely at the IR remotes that I have to see what they are using though |
| 02:14.05 | T0mW | jacques: steal an IR reciever from a webpal, heh |
| 02:14.25 | jacques | hmm |
| 02:20.23 | T0mW | jacques: the 38.4KHz carrier appears to be washed out in the IR receiver diode assembly, all I get out of the RX diode is a square wave |
| 02:21.02 | jacques | 38.4 (or thereabouts) is standard CiR modulation freq. isn't it? |
| 02:21.16 | T0mW | jacques: IIRC, the LIRC needs to know the prefix code, number of bits, and timing of the bitcells |
| 02:21.19 | T0mW | right? |
| 02:21.44 | T0mW | jacques: Yes, I believe so, I haven't researched that stuff |
| 02:22.14 | jacques | sounds right, but it's been years since I messed with lirc - long enough to be disappointed with the cpu usage and (then) somewhat lacking accuracy |
| 02:22.24 | T0mW | 38KHz & 56KHz (aka 38.4KHz 56.7KHz) |
| 02:22.51 | T0mW | jacques: yeah, but, we aren't using Pentium-1's anymore. heh |
| 02:23.27 | jacques | lol |
| 02:23.33 | T0mW | I need food, there is nothing in the house to eat, :( |
| 02:23.41 | jacques | I'm in exact same boat |
| 02:23.43 | T0mW | cereal |
| 02:24.00 | T0mW | sauce + noodles, no meat though |
| 02:24.29 | T0mW | jacques: time to take food run, then I'll look at the LIRC stuff later this evening |
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| 07:20.36 | jf-work | hi |
| 07:22.38 | jf-work | May I ask for help concerning tinylogin issue ? |
| 07:32.02 | jacques | jf-work, unfortunately it's really quiet here at this time |
| 07:32.30 | jf-work | will w8 ;) |
| 07:32.44 | jacques | andersee is usually here during normal US daytime hours |
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| 08:28.32 | malice | yo anyone awake? |
| 08:59.30 | ljp | nope. I am sleep-ircing |
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| 13:22.08 | chouimat | morning |
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| 13:51.58 | malice | any jbox experts around? |
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| 13:57.14 | malice | mallum |
| 13:57.21 | mallum | hey malice |
| 13:57.28 | malice | you know anything about jbox? |
| 13:58.14 | malice | i need to tap some knowledge |
| 14:00.25 | mallum | never even heard of it :/ |
| 14:01.08 | CP|Lapto1 | ~google jbox |
| 14:01.09 | malice | ahh....its all good |
| 14:01.35 | malice | well i really need to talk to prpl |
| 14:01.48 | malice | he is like the foremost person with in depth knowledge about them |
| 14:01.53 | malice | its mattel juicebox |
| 14:02.01 | malice | uses embedded uclinux |
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| 14:30.07 | jf-work | anybody can help with a tinylogin issue ? |
| 14:31.14 | CP|Laptop | fire away |
| 14:33.32 | jf-work | well, adduser applet normally create an /etc/group entry. It does, but malformed. Instead of having groupname:x:gid:user, I get gid:x:gid: |
| 14:34.04 | jf-work | using last release, compiled under uclibc, not using libnss_compat |
| 14:34.07 | CP|Laptop | Well, thats fun |
| 14:34.13 | CP|Laptop | did you check the code? |
| 14:34.57 | jf-work | a bit. But I thought that google or else may have know that if adduser applet has been broken |
| 14:35.25 | jf-work | I did compile it udner debian => same results |
| 14:35.35 | CP|Laptop | I doubt that many embedded guys are doing adduser on a regular basis |
| 14:35.42 | CP|Laptop | so its possible a buglet might exist |
| 14:36.05 | jf-work | humm.. |
| 14:36.12 | CP|Laptop | An unreported buglet, that is |
| 14:36.22 | jf-work | addgroup does the same error (as in fact adduser call a wrapper for addgroup) |
| 14:37.17 | CP|Laptop | Did you try adduser from busybox too? |
| 14:37.51 | jf-work | looking at the addgroup, it seems it can take a username as parameter to add this user to the group it is creating. this function is not documented in the tinylogin manpage and I think this cause trouble |
| 14:37.57 | jf-work | CP|Laptop: nop |
| 14:40.00 | CP|Laptop | jf-work: looking at addgroup from busybox, I can't immediately see a issue |
| 14:41.25 | jf-work | CP|Laptop : did you try adduser from busybox ? does it create a well formed /etc/group entry ? |
| 14:41.37 | CP|Laptop | I don't have a adduser or addgroup built in anywhere |
| 14:41.38 | CP|Laptop | sorry |
| 14:41.44 | jf-work | ok, np |
| 14:42.29 | CP|Laptop | but looking at the code in bb-1.0 - it looks like it does the right thing - you might want to diff the tinylogin and busybox sources and see what changed |
| 14:42.31 | jf-work | is busybox stored in a browseable cvs ? |
| 14:42.37 | CP|Laptop | svn I think |
| 14:42.40 | jf-work | :( |
| 14:43.14 | jf-work | busybox 1.00 ? |
| 14:43.44 | CP|Laptop | yep |
| 14:44.06 | jf-work | ok, checking |
| 14:45.06 | jf-work | ghumm. adduser applet from busybox has much option than tinylogin's one |
| 14:46.45 | CosmicPenguin | busybox is a bit more mature, I think |
| 14:47.05 | CosmicPenguin | tinylogin is pretty much only useful these days as a suidable binary for various login stuff |
| 14:47.24 | prpplague | morning folks |
| 14:47.44 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: what were you talking about when you mentioned my name last night? |
| 14:47.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: iirc russ did a complete cvs checkout of tinylogin when it was mirged with busybox |
| 14:47.57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 14:48.18 | jf-work | what is better if I only need some small adduser/addgroup/deluser/delgroup ? use tinylogin or extract them from busybox ? |
| 14:48.27 | CosmicPenguin | I vote for busybox, personally |
| 14:48.35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: just complaining to T0mW that you and i are always afraid that everyone else is 2 steps ahead of use on learning things |
| 14:48.49 | CosmicPenguin | or even 3 |
| 14:48.55 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:49.10 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: and I asked him who is he ahead of? |
| 14:50.11 | CosmicPenguin | I think I told somebody the other day that the whole of Linux knowledge is like a huge elephant |
| 14:50.23 | T0mW | eh? |
| 14:50.30 | CosmicPenguin | And that most of us don't have the intellegence to understand it all - so instead we get really good at studying one body part |
| 14:50.36 | T0mW | heh |
| 14:50.50 | CosmicPenguin | In my case, that body part is the left testicle, but thats another story... :) |
| 14:50.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: nice analogy |
| 14:51.05 | T0mW | true, people ask me what I do and I tell them I write software / etc. |
| 14:51.08 | CosmicPenguin | Anyway, my point being that all of us are two steps behind somebody, and two steps ahead of somebody else |
| 14:51.21 | T0mW | then they cannot understand that I don't know Lotus 1-2-3 |
| 14:52.34 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:53.04 | prpplague | i've started telling ppl that i'm an intellectual prostitute |
| 14:54.02 | CosmicPenguin | You learn things for money? |
| 14:54.25 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:54.43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i thought it was a pretty accurate description |
| 14:56.19 | T0mW | :) |
| 14:57.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: kinda like in Harrison Bergeron |
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| 14:59.16 | CP|Laptop | Everbody love meetings |
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| 15:22.52 | CP|Laptop | mallum: how are things on planet matchbox? |
| 15:23.04 | CP|Laptop | mallum: getting some good consulting gigs? |
| 15:23.30 | prpplague | CP|Laptop: its hard for him to get jobs when he shows up in his PoTA costume |
| 15:24.01 | CP|Laptop | I would hire him |
| 15:24.03 | CP|Laptop | you damn dirty ape |
| 15:24.08 | prpplague | HA |
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| 15:27.36 | mallum | CP|Laptop: yeah things are going good atm, watch this space ;) |
| 15:27.51 | mallum | CP|Laptop: there are 3 of us now |
| 15:27.54 | CP|Laptop | nice |
| 15:28.18 | prpplague | mallum: "watch this space" ? |
| 15:28.31 | CP|Laptop | Watch it, dammit! |
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| 15:45.19 | CP|Laptop | sorphin |
| 15:46.14 | sorphin | prpplague: hardly |
| 15:46.36 | sorphin | CP|Laptop: laptop eh? keep that up, you'll be like file[laptop] :P |
| 15:46.47 | CP|Laptop | I'm a meeting |
| 15:46.53 | CP|Laptop | or rather in one |
| 15:47.06 | CP|Laptop | I'm not one, because then I would kill myself to save humanity |
| 15:52.25 | prpplague | sorphin: hehe, your like me, i had crappy outlets and light switches |
| 15:54.40 | prpplague | TimRiker: morning |
| 15:54.47 | TimRiker | moin |
| 15:54.48 | prpplague | TimRiker: any word on the job front? |
| 15:54.58 | TimRiker | nope. other word though... |
| 15:55.10 | prpplague | TimRiker: ?? |
| 15:55.18 | TimRiker | http://rikers.org/gallery/riker-girl |
| 15:55.31 | CP|Laptop | a forked process? |
| 15:55.41 | prpplague | TimRiker: wow i didn't know!!! |
| 15:55.44 | prpplague | TimRiker: congrads |
| 15:55.49 | andersee | TimRiker: congrats! |
| 15:55.50 | TimRiker | well, around here we call it a child process. ;-) thanx. |
| 15:56.16 | TimRiker | the process now has a gender, but not a filename. |
| 15:56.45 | TimRiker | pretty sure about the working directory though. |
| 15:56.51 | andersee | thats because you are close to Mexico, where everything has a gender |
| 15:56.58 | TimRiker | =) |
| 15:57.03 | CP|Laptop | TimRiker: I assume that stdout and stderr is fully functional as well |
| 15:57.28 | TimRiker | CP|Laptop: looks that way, yes. even the pipes are passing data. |
| 15:57.59 | andersee | So when will stdin get redirected? |
| 15:58.15 | TimRiker | mid september is the expected exit date |
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| 15:58.49 | andersee | the cild process better not call exit()... |
| 15:58.49 | TimRiker | well, perhaps redirect is a better metaphor. thx. |
| 15:59.18 | andersee | needs to be a long running demon |
| 15:59.19 | CP|Laptop | wow |
| 15:59.28 | andersee | with no "ae" |
| 15:59.37 | TimRiker | =) |
| 15:59.42 | CP|Laptop | I guess you could say that it will detach from the controller terminal |
| 15:59.47 | sorphin | prpplague: and aluminum wiring? :P |
| 16:00.15 | TimRiker | that's it. she'll detach and become the foreground process all in one go. |
| 16:00.56 | prpplague | sorphin: ek! |
| 16:01.16 | sorphin | ;) |
| 16:01.22 | prpplague | i can hear the words now, "you might be a geek if........" |
| 16:01.39 | prpplague | "you refer to your childs birth in terms of unix processes" |
| 16:01.48 | sorphin | aluminum wiring is fine as long as you know how to deal w/ it |
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| 16:06.37 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: Did you have your scheduler patched? |
| 16:08.46 | sorphin | CP|Laptop: not as of yet, but i'm going to |
| 16:09.07 | sorphin | bah |
| 16:09.13 | sorphin | too many CosmicPenguins |
| 16:11.17 | CosmicPenguin | there |
| 16:11.54 | CosmicPenguin | http://freshmeat.net/projects/jsesh/?branch_id=57969&release_id=195291 |
| 16:12.01 | CosmicPenguin | Now there's a project with a small audience base |
| 16:12.50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: it would be cool to see someone using that on sg-1 |
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| 16:51.24 | prpplague | argh,argh, they are burning another cane field....... |
| 16:54.53 | sorphin | umm... ok |
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| 17:01.48 | andersee | prpplague: I take it this bothers you in some way |
| 17:02.10 | CosmicPenguin | He's very sensitive to the whole town smelling like creme brulee |
| 17:02.12 | prpplague | andersee: uh, yea the smoke |
| 17:02.35 | prpplague | andersee: 300 acres of burning cane tends make alot of stinky smoke |
| 17:02.45 | andersee | I see |
| 17:02.52 | andersee | you could always move |
| 17:02.54 | andersee | ;-) |
| 17:02.58 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:03.12 | prpplague | yea, well you take the good with the bad |
| 17:03.30 | prpplague | andersee: atleast this particular field won't be burned for another 5 years |
| 17:04.56 | cdm | http://i7.ebayimg.com/01/i/03/de/78/b7_2.JPG |
| 17:06.31 | prpplague | ~exchange 400 EUR to USD |
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| 17:28.18 | prpplague | TimRiker: re |
| 17:34.58 | prpplague | hehe, the forum at linuxdevices.com is right up there with "user friendly" in its humor, hehe |
| 17:37.30 | prpplague | i.e. http://www.linuxdevices.com/cgi-bin/board/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=100&Post=628&Idle=0&Sort=0&Order=Descend&Page=0&Session= |
| 17:43.02 | CosmicPenguin | Ouch |
| 17:44.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: and there are always tons of indian outsource ppl want help |
| 17:44.19 | prpplague | wanting |
| 17:48.02 | CosmicPenguin | Hell of a business model |
| 17:48.30 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea |
| 17:48.37 | CosmicPenguin | Hmm... perhaps its time to readdress source RPM staging in OE |
| 17:49.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i love the mailing list posts that read "hi, i new to linus, we contracted to do arm board, please help thx" |
| 17:52.01 | CosmicPenguin | he |
| 17:52.02 | CosmicPenguin | h |
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| 18:14.57 | T0mW | prpplague: re: linux devices, "sure clik here, clik on this, then put blah blah over here" |
| 18:16.03 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe |
| 18:16.46 | prpplague | darn i think i got dehyrdrated yesterday |
| 18:16.47 | T0mW | as far as the ARM contractor: the answer is to send prpplague money |
| 18:16.54 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe |
| 18:16.57 | T0mW | no? |
| 18:16.58 | T0mW | heh |
| 18:17.21 | CosmicPenguin | yeah well - done cheap apparently always wins out over done right |
| 18:17.43 | prpplague | T0mW: the tap water here is safe to drink but doesn't taste good, and i ran out of bottled water sunday :( |
| 18:18.00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, that seems to be the truth of things |
| 18:18.09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: or atleast for sure when i worked at abcs |
| 18:18.27 | CosmicPenguin | But who do they call when the fire gets out of control? |
| 18:18.35 | CosmicPenguin | I need this by Thursday |
| 18:19.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea |
| 18:19.59 | CosmicPenguin | I get that alot - "Jordan, call division X they need a hand" |
| 18:20.03 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: that's when you smile and ask "yeah, who's going to do that for you?" |
| 18:20.10 | CosmicPenguin | I'm going to put a siren on my head and run down the hallways next time |
| 18:20.15 | T0mW | lol |
| 18:20.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i like to think thats because linux/oss ppl are more robust developers |
| 18:20.28 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: naw, get a hat |
| 18:20.29 | CosmicPenguin | Linux rescue - clear a path, people! |
| 18:20.58 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: and a jacket that says "Linux EMT" |
| 18:21.06 | CosmicPenguin | Or a superman shield with a big L |
| 18:21.23 | CosmicPenguin | PenguinTwins super powers activate! |
| 18:21.30 | T0mW | yeha, the superman symbol with a big L |
| 18:21.39 | CosmicPenguin | Take the shape of "bootloader" |
| 18:21.40 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, i had a sign printed above me desk at abcs "Dave Janitorial Service - we specialize in emergency clean ups" |
| 18:21.48 | prpplague | s/me/my |
| 18:21.48 | CosmicPenguin | lol - I need that |
| 18:23.08 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: I don't miss that sort of crap in the least |
| 18:24.00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: "we also have specialists for handling those unqiue messes created by bodily waste making contact with air circulation equipment" |
| 18:24.21 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: then when it is time for your raise (review) you have to be grateful for the 5% they give you. Meanwhile they conveniently forgot how many times you pulled their butts out of the fire. |
| 18:24.49 | CosmicPenguin | T0mW: or how many extra millions of dollars of revenue they shipped |
| 18:24.52 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, thats a major reason i left abcs, someone else was getting the credit and pay raises for my work |
| 18:25.02 | T0mW | prpplague: your boss? |
| 18:25.11 | prpplague | T0mW: yea |
| 18:25.18 | chouimat | prpplague: sucks |
| 18:25.31 | T0mW | prpplague: he was rewarded for flogging the slaves into doing more work |
| 18:25.47 | prpplague | T0mW: him and another department head regularlly removed my signature from code |
| 18:25.49 | CosmicPenguin | My latest reassignment is coming from two levels above me |
| 18:26.13 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: reassignment? |
| 18:26.23 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: better job with more pay? |
| 18:26.23 | CosmicPenguin | Temporary - firefighting mission |
| 18:26.25 | prpplague | argh, i've got to get some sd/mmc code added to blob today |
| 18:26.28 | T0mW | oh |
| 18:26.37 | CosmicPenguin | T0mW: oh -no - extra job, no pay |
| 18:27.02 | T0mW | yeah, but you'll get that warm feeling of a "job well done" |
| 18:27.25 | CosmicPenguin | Job security too |
| 18:27.42 | T0mW | not a chance pal |
| 18:27.56 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: you are a cog |
| 18:28.06 | T0mW | not a motor |
| 18:28.16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: secure just until another bit^h^h^hdeveloper comes along |
| 18:28.31 | T0mW | heh |
| 18:28.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 18:28.39 | CosmicPenguin | I'll tell you what - if they hire another competent linux engineer who is willing to run around like a chicken with their head cut off, then so be it |
| 18:29.00 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: they won't put that in the job description |
| 18:29.18 | CosmicPenguin | Oh that i could have several months to write a driver and waltz out of here at 5:00 every day |
| 18:29.29 | T0mW | just the phrase "provide inter-departmental support" |
| 18:29.35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 18:29.47 | CosmicPenguin | Not that I don't mind doing what I do - I've done lots of fun stuff with stuff like OE |
| 18:30.01 | T0mW | OE still on bitkeeper? |
| 18:30.15 | CosmicPenguin | I do mind that other developers constantly bitch about fun stuff like OE, yet offer no solutions of their own |
| 18:30.32 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 18:31.04 | CosmicPenguin | Today, the bitch was about quilt, and how it was somehow "not what developers normally use" |
| 18:31.22 | CosmicPenguin | But since the total number of usable patch management systems can be counted on two fingers, I disagree with that statement |
| 18:31.59 | CosmicPenguin | But with this particular developer, anything hes not familiar with is apparently not usable |
| 18:32.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea beewoolie swears by quilt |
| 18:32.10 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I adore it |
| 18:32.48 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i still just use patch |
| 18:33.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: but my work area is a little different than most ppls |
| 18:33.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: my apps usually stay relatively static |
| 18:33.22 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: The componentized concepts of quilt make me sooooo happy |
| 18:33.36 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: we of course have three processors in the pipeline that are based on each other |
| 18:33.58 | CosmicPenguin | So I can copy functionality from one kernel to the other with a single component and then just push new code on top of that |
| 18:34.42 | CosmicPenguin | plus, I can push and pop third party projects like kdgb or squashfs easily |
| 18:37.59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: nice |
| 18:38.04 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: its really useful |
| 18:38.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i need to give it a try |
| 18:38.45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i hate it when i have "coders block" |
| 18:38.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: can't seem to get started on this sd/mmc code today |
| 18:39.05 | CosmicPenguin | Nothing a few hours of gaming won't fix |
| 18:39.19 | T0mW | prpplague: I usually go girl-watching to clear coders block |
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| 18:51.50 | prpplague | cbrake: ping |
| 18:53.02 | prpplague | is anyone doing blob dev lately? |
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| 19:08.42 | jeanfabrice | andersee: are you here ? |
| 19:12.46 | CosmicPenguin | grr |
| 19:12.52 | CosmicPenguin | I hate it when I do stupid stuff |
| 19:13.26 | CosmicPenguin | like infinate loops |
| 19:14.02 | CosmicPenguin | or poor spelling |
| 19:28.31 | TimRiker | that's speeling, no? |
| 19:31.47 | prpplague | TimRiker: what kind of work are ya looking for these days? |
| 19:34.38 | TimRiker | a product that will actually ship would be nice. |
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| 20:55.30 | CosmicPenguin | T0mW: you don't spend much time in the x86 world, but you're plugged in anyway |
| 20:55.50 | CosmicPenguin | T0mW: are you aware of any PCI -> PCIe bridge devices that may be available? |
| 20:56.07 | T0mW | no, I don't go there |
| 20:56.21 | CosmicPenguin | fair enough |
| 21:01.58 | CosmicPenguin | Motivation go buh-bye |
| 21:03.20 | TimRiker | <-- Motivation has quit (CosmicPenguin lost it) |
| 21:03.54 | chouimat|zombie_ | :) |
| 21:10.54 | prpplague | TimRiker: hehe, lost your motivation there at TI too? |
| 21:26.53 | CosmicPenguin | Motivation? |
| 21:27.07 | CosmicPenguin | I've heard the word before, but I don't think it means anything |
| 21:28.19 | prpplague | ahh good old devmem2.c |
| 21:48.38 | TimRiker | "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." |
| 21:49.02 | ljp | love that movie |
| 21:49.20 | prpplague | me too |
| 21:49.34 | jacques | in-com-thievable! |
| 21:49.49 | jacques | s/m/n/ |
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| 21:52.04 | TimRiker | just picked it up on dvd last week. the tape's getting old. |
| 21:53.26 | prpplague | hehe |
| 21:55.00 | TimRiker | another fav: "Yes, you're very smart. Now shut up." |
| 21:55.40 | ljp | I have two dvd's.. because the on I got in the states is of course region 1 only |
| 21:56.06 | jjshoe | people still buy region locked players? |
| 21:56.19 | ljp | apparently I did |
| 21:56.30 | ljp | can only watch it on my lappie |
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| 22:00.47 | TimRiker | I have an olymics dvd from .au (hi ljp) that works on it just fine. ;-) |
| 22:00.59 | TimRiker | er olympics... |
| 22:14.48 | MonMotha | jjshoe: I don't know wher eyou live, but around here you can't find region-free DVD players on the shelf (though you can get ones that can be trivially unlocked) |
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| 22:25.46 | andersee | jeanfabrice: yes |
| 22:25.56 | andersee | for small values of here |
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| 22:40.11 | prpplague | andersee: hehe |
| 22:44.12 | prpplague | kergoth: done anything with rockbox lately? |
| 22:44.43 | kergoth | nah, havent used my h320 much even. not much need for a portable music player when you're sitting around not going anywhere :P |
| 22:55.01 | Soopaman | kergoth, did you leave ti? |
| 22:55.24 | kergoth | Soopaman: yep |
| 22:57.35 | prpplague | kergoth: hehe, when are you gonna get evicted? hehe |
| 22:58.08 | kergoth | may 31st is the end of the lease. i called the movers, just waiting for a call letting me know exactly when the pickup will be |
| 22:58.27 | prpplague | kergoth: lovely |
| 22:58.31 | ljp | glad to be getting out of Dallas? |
| 22:58.34 | prpplague | kergoth: hope things work out for ya |
| 22:59.38 | kergoth | ljp: sorta. i'm glad to be changing directions again, since i've sorta stagnated and wallowed here. i do like it more here than in minnesota, so i'm glad to be moving, not so glad to be moving to mn specifically :) |
| 23:02.00 | andersee | kergoth: so whats the new plan? |
| 23:02.08 | andersee | farming? |
| 23:02.47 | CosmicPenguin | Isn't there a 3 week growing season in Minnesota? |
| 23:04.02 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: 3 week sounds about right. hehe |
| 23:04.38 | kergoth | andersee: no plan, really. just going to find something to pay the bills while i give some thought to what i want to be doing with my life, because i'm not sure hammering out code is it. |
| 23:05.44 | andersee | you could move to barbados, and a breath sugarcane smoke. Seems a popular choice for rest-of-your-lifing |
| 23:06.03 | jacques | Jackson was deeply in debt and always needed money, which he referred to as "french fries," music producer Rudy Provencio testified. |
| 23:06.29 | jacques | andersee, I thought it was hard to get a work visa in barbados |
| 23:06.42 | andersee | dunno |
| 23:06.48 | jacques | prpplague has connections |
| 23:06.55 | CosmicPenguin | and cousins |
| 23:06.59 | jacques | yah |
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| 23:07.31 | jacques | I'm in a similar boat to kergoth - would like to find something that pays the bills that I actually like doing |
| 23:08.08 | andersee | I'm still waiting for someone to give me a few billion so I can play all the time |
| 23:08.13 | ljp | there's mattress testing |
| 23:08.22 | andersee | I may be waiting a while.... |
| 23:09.40 | kergoth | chouimat: that sucks man, you've been out of work for a while now :\ |
| 23:10.08 | chouimat | kergoth: 6 months |
| 23:10.47 | andersee | there is probably a job opening at TI... |
| 23:10.51 | andersee | :-) |
| 23:10.54 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:11.03 | CosmicPenguin | multiple ones, maybe |
| 23:11.05 | jacques | dallas - yuck |
| 23:11.05 | chouimat | kergoth: have enough money for another 6 :) and I did some contracting work too ... I might decide to stop being lazy and send my resume with a small app to ljp |
| 23:11.32 | CosmicPenguin | Now, now - there's no reason to sell your soul |
| 23:11.49 | chouimat | kergoth: but that imply that I will need to move again |
| 23:12.42 | CosmicPenguin | A french canadian in Australia? The accent implications alone are horrendious |
| 23:13.10 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: my english is getting better ... |
| 23:16.21 | CosmicPenguin | hehe |
| 23:16.25 | CosmicPenguin | But its funny |
| 23:17.22 | CosmicPenguin | Thats well known and well rounded evil |
| 23:17.37 | chouimat | and in debian |
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| 23:18.52 | andersee | at least he isn't prejudiced. He hates everyone. |
| 23:18.56 | andersee | :) |
| 23:23.19 | chouimat | kergoth: seen this? http://ulyx.ath.cx/mesp.jpg |
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| 23:38.37 | ljp | whats funny is that there would be no gnome if not for trolltech in the first place |
| 23:43.19 | chouimat | ljp: true ... |
| 23:56.20 | prpplague | jacques: hehe, yea, its called f a local |
| 23:57.56 | prpplague | jacques: there are lots of jobs if you are interested |
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| 23:58.53 | prpplague | andersee: hehe, i get the feeling your not a supporter of my decision to move? |
