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02:02.33T0mWsjhill: http://www.openhardware.net/baldy.jpg
02:03.17file[laptop]poor old Tom
02:03.18chouimatT0mW: scary
02:03.21file[laptop]you look like a maniac
02:03.32file[laptop]very scary
02:03.34T0mWthank you
02:03.57file[laptop]you're welcome!
02:04.05T0mWlike one of those neo-nazi guys?
02:07.05chouimatfile[laptop]: http://ulyx.ath.cx/me.jpg
02:07.25file[laptop]I already knew what you looked like
02:07.32chouimat:)
02:07.58chouimatfile[laptop]: now add a huge sunburn on the head
02:08.11file[laptop]uh huh
02:08.37chouimatfile[laptop]: here one for you http://ulyx.ath.cx/pussycloseup.jpg
02:11.01file[laptop]ha
02:11.25sjhillchouimat: the 'me.jpg' is refusing connection
02:11.28sjhillwhat gives?
02:11.41chouimatretry
02:12.03sjhillthat's better
02:12.30sjhillwell, not really "better", but it works now
02:12.34sjhill:P
02:12.38T0mWAnyone in the Metropolitan New Jersey area looking to do some consulting on Linux kernel drivers?  It is some hard-core shit that they want so there would be good bucks in it.
02:12.53sjhillnope
02:13.00sjhillnow if i could work remotely, that'd be different
02:13.07T0mWWhat they are asking for is beyond where I am at:
02:13.07chouimathttp://ulyx.ath.cx/paris_helsinki_girls.jpg </might offend some>
02:13.25T0mWon performance management, on memory management and on ?memory corruption tools and options to them?, and on the ?core dump.?
02:13.46sjhillcore dump and memory corruption possibly
02:13.51sjhillperf. mgmt...dunno
02:13.57T0mWnaw, they want onsite
02:14.05T0mWIntel
02:14.13sjhillbleh
02:14.31sjhillchouimat: i don't want to view that...so....are these girls you know?
02:14.33chouimatok canada federal gov or intel
02:14.43chouimatsjhill: no
02:14.46T0mWyeah, they're getting pressured from some customers to come out with drivers for products
02:14.52sjhillheh
02:15.29T0mWummm, Paris!
02:15.34T0mWyum!
02:15.44chouimatT0mW: hehe
02:15.48T0mWsigh, she'd kill me
02:16.09T0mWI'd overdose on Viagra and amphetimines
02:16.20chouimatT0mW: but you will die happy :)
02:16.29T0mWyeah. :D
02:18.18Crofton__hmm I get connection refused
02:18.22Crofton__I want to be offended
02:18.32chouimatretry
02:18.57sjhillthat's definitely a classic line, "No really, I want to be offended."
02:19.14chouimatsjhill: :)
02:20.52Crofton__heh I've already seen those somewhere else
02:21.04chouimatCrofton__: I bet
02:21.39Crofton__http://filebox.vt.edu/users/balister/
02:21.49Crofton__This is my stupid web page
02:21.59Crofton__but since we are sharing pictures
02:22.58T0mWk4ep de wn3l
02:23.16sjhillk4ep de n8fii
02:23.22sjhillwn3l de n8fii
02:23.30Crofton__heh
02:23.33sjhillcool, 2 meters over irc
02:23.40sjhillit's a new protocol!
02:23.44T0mWlotsa Hams hanging around these linux channels
02:23.57Crofton__yeah
02:24.17T0mWwhen the sunspot cycle is low on 40 & 17, it is time to play on the internet
02:24.49sjhilli just picked up the new ARRL Repeater book today
02:24.54sjhillneed it for OLS
02:25.04T0mWshit, I haven't fired up my HF rig in two years!  been using the 17mtr antenna for FM broadcast reception
02:25.23Crofton__I haven't had mine on much since I moved.
02:25.30Crofton__Need to fix the antenna situation
02:25.41Crofton__and been to busy with school crap
02:25.45T0mWyeah, computers took over the spot where the HF rig used to sit..
02:25.54Crofton__computers suck :)
02:25.58sjhillah school...i miss it
02:26.06sjhilli don't miss being poor, but everything else was great
02:26.09T0mWI miss copying the mail on 40mtr CW though
02:26.12Crofton__ah work, I don;t miss it
02:26.16sjhillheh
02:26.33T0mWsome of those housewives can really gossip
02:26.35sjhillman, make sure is picky
02:26.53T0mWsjhill: make sux
02:26.59sjhillugh
02:27.06T0mWbut, then, what else is there
02:27.13sjhillbash scripts!
02:27.16Crofton__oddly enough I am up here looking up some qso info in some old logs
02:27.26T0mWsjhill: yeah, right
02:27.34Crofton__guy decidec he needed a card for IOTA
02:28.21T0mWI've still got my old paper logs, one day I hope to xfer that data to an electronic one
02:29.08Crofton__any good linux logging programs?
02:29.48T0mWThe one QSL card I absolutely had to have was my first contact.  It was 40mtr CW, the guy was on vacation with a random wire setup.  He was thrilled to have it working and all I wanted to do was sign with him as I was so nervous I could barely work the straight key.
02:30.14T0mWI got his card some years later
02:30.53Crofton__cool
02:30.58T0mWCrofton__: I haven't looked in a long time, I was going to throw something together in Kylix so it would run under linux.  There is no way I'll put my logs at the mercy of a windoze box!
02:31.29T0mWmaybe MySQL or something like that
02:32.06T0mWthat was before I got the embedded linux bux
02:32.11T0mWs/bux/bug/
02:33.41T0mWchouimat: you speak French, why don't you go over there and talk to that girl. Then tell us all about it?
02:33.50T0mWhehe
02:34.02Crofton__Yeah, It's kind of a hard problem due the award tracking stuff
02:34.53T0mWCrofton__: all I'd ever wanted to was WAS on 40mtr phone.  I've done that, even did Alaska three times.  Never bothered with getting the certificate
02:35.17T0mWI've got the cards
02:35.35T0mWCrofton__: QTH is eastern PA
02:35.46Crofton__I need to submit my IOTA cards
02:35.51Crofton__cool
02:35.53Crofton__swva here
02:36.21T0mWHawaii & Alaska are real challenges, eh?
02:37.07Crofton__I should go look
02:37.08chouimatT0mW: lol
02:37.21Crofton__I suspect I may have them on 40 phone during a contest
02:37.29Crofton__get up real early
02:37.34T0mWyeah
02:37.42T0mWheh, like about 3AM
02:37.42Crofton__work guys with big iron
02:38.10T0mWI had a screwdriver antenna on my ford escort.  I used to run 40 & 17 mtr mobile
02:38.21Crofton__OK, i need to go fall over
02:38.36Crofton__20m on a dodge caravan
02:38.38T0mWlooked like my car was "excited"
02:38.51Crofton__work russians late at night, that was good fun
02:38.55Crofton__night all
02:38.57Crofton__. .
02:39.01T0mW4 foot brass pipe mounted on the side of this little escort. lol
02:39.07T0mWlater
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03:20.45MonMothaI've done Alaska and Hawaii on 20, 17, and I believe 15
03:21.07MonMotha100W on 20 and 17, I believe I was running about 350 on 15 though
03:21.21MonMothahave ye ol'e giant beam antenna too
03:23.34MonMotha40 is a pain though.  Only have a dipole, and  it's so noisy down there
03:26.22T0mWyeah, where you at? QTH?
03:26.38MonMothaTerre Haute, IN.  Just by the IN/IL border north of I-70
03:26.46MonMothaI operate W9NAA, Rose-Tech Radio Club station
03:26.50T0mWnice location, mid-US
03:26.53MonMothayup
03:27.09T0mWstone's throw to either coast
03:27.10MonMothahitting east-asia can be challenging, but I've done pretty much everywhere else in the world
03:27.26T0mWI've still never worked a JA
03:27.27MonMothalatest braggable one is S9SS, Sao Tome, Africa
03:27.50MonMothaI've been trying to work a JA, but it's been tough.  I had one I could just BARELY hear on 17 right as the sun went down, but the band closed up before I could call him
03:28.07T0mWI've worked Australia, Kuwaitt, Russia, Khazhekastan, EU, but no JA's
03:28.24MonMothaif you want to chat some time, I'm frequently on between 9:00-9:45EST
03:28.28MonMothausually 17 or 20m
03:28.51file[laptop]sleeeeeeep
03:29.07T0mWI've only an antenna on 17, that hasn't seen wattage in two years. the rig is gather dust (Kenwood TS850)
03:30.00MonMothaheh, we've been putting our antenna system to the test recently
03:30.02T0mWI love 17 mtrs! and hate 20 with a passion.  where else can you get elbowed off the frequency without an apology?  Well, 75mtrs..
03:30.12MonMothaI had 750W going into our beam
03:30.17T0mWlol
03:30.21T0mWcool
03:30.25MonMothaheh, 20 is fun for just that reason :)  I frequently work contests,s o I'm used to that
03:30.31T0mWthat will make them move down the band
03:30.31MonMotha17 is much more relaxed, I'll agree
03:30.49MonMothawe were only getting about 350-400 during the last sweepstakes
03:31.01MonMotharunning the amp off 120V, we have 240 now
03:31.07T0mWI want to run 17 mobile again.  The TS850 is lousy mobile rig as the display is floresent
03:31.12MonMothaold amp though, so only used on 80, 40, 20, 15, and 10
03:31.15chouimatnight
03:31.20MonMothagn chouimat
03:31.23T0mWgn
03:31.27MonMothaI've been meaning to set up a mobile thing
03:31.53MonMothamy personal primary rig is a Heathkit DX-60B and an old Allied receiver
03:31.53T0mWI think I was looking at an Alinco for mobile use,
03:31.56MonMothaclub has a TS-2000 with the 1.2GHz module though
03:32.21MonMothadoes all amateur bands DC-1.2GHz except 60m and 900MHz
03:32.24T0mWuh huh.  I helped a buddy fix his heathkit power supply using a choke we salvaged from an old TV set.
03:32.31MonMothanice
03:32.32T0mWchoke was shorted
03:32.40MonMothathis sucker is almost in working shape again
03:32.52T0mWthat's tube unit right?
03:32.54MonMothahas a nasty chirp when you key it (doesn't do sideband), but it does throw out RF
03:32.55MonMothaoh yeah
03:33.02T0mWtubes are quieter
03:33.05MonMothaIt didn't even tune up when I got it
03:33.35T0mWI used a set of Drake twins one time, that receiver was quiet
03:33.42MonMothaI just need to figure out why it's chriping.  May just be the ancient crystals
03:34.18T0mWyeah, crystals pulling.  how does it behave when you reduce the AMP output ?
03:34.18MonMothayeah, we have an old Collins KWM-2.  I've turned that on and heard like 3 people on the same frequency, none of whom can hear each other, and that is quiet on our TS-2000
03:34.36MonMothabehaves about the same way.  I haven't tried it much below full output though.  Been meaning to
03:34.41T0mWdoes it chirp with reduced output power?
03:34.48MonMothadunno, I should check
03:35.14T0mWI could be that the driver is pulling hard on the oscillator and causing it to swing off frequency.
03:35.17T0mWloading it
03:35.21MonMothayeah
03:35.28T0mWpull the driver tube
03:35.30MonMothasome of the tube biases are off too
03:35.37T0mWah
03:35.48MonMothaold carbon comp resistors have drifted and I haven't gotten around to replacing them
03:35.55T0mWeeeuh
03:36.10MonMothaI replaced all the electrolytic caps and retubed it for good measure (we had all of them laying around)
03:36.29MonMothawell, that and because I fried one by shorting the B+ line to ground
03:36.34T0mWcould be an electrolytic that is dried out and exhibiting Ohm-ic resistance
03:36.45MonMothaall the electrolytics are brand new
03:36.55T0mWok
03:37.12MonMothadidn't do jack until I replaced those
03:37.14T0mWeither crystal is bad or the driver is sucking hard on the osc
03:37.26MonMothamakes sense.  It does it with every crystal I've tried
03:37.36MonMothathough all of them are random pulls from the club's xtal box
03:37.46T0mWpower supply could also be "swinging"
03:37.55MonMothathat's also possible
03:38.01MonMothaI can check that though
03:38.06T0mWmake sure osc supply is steady
03:38.18MonMothayeah.  Our multimeters here are good to 1000V, so I should be able to check that
03:38.21T0mWI'd go after that first
03:38.30MonMothaI know I overranged them once, that was impressive
03:38.44MonMothagiant "klunk" as the relay int he back trips otu and the display just says "OVLD" :)
03:38.48T0mWthen I'd pull the driver & amplifier tubes
03:38.52T0mWheh
03:39.13T0mWI did pactor using a kenwood TS430, talk about relay clunking
03:39.15T0mWheh
03:39.44T0mWit was almost musical!  CLICK, chiiiiirp, CLICK, chuuurrp
03:39.45MonMothawell, I'll get it working some time
03:40.06MonMothaI'm tempted to work field day on the darn thing.  Probably won't be able to find anyone who'll go slow enough for me though
03:40.10T0mWI had a blast on 20mtr pactor
03:40.17T0mWno, amtor
03:40.19MonMothait'll do full carrier DSB AM, but I don't want to take up all that bandwidth during a contest
03:40.21T0mWit was amtor
03:40.31MonMothaI'm a fan of PSK31
03:40.40MonMothalike IRC for ham radio :)
03:40.49T0mWI've a friend that swears by psk31
03:41.10MonMothait's a really nice mode.  Cuts through just about anything
03:41.16MonMothaif CW will work, PSK31 probably will
03:41.35T0mWhe's been trying to get me interested.  maybe when I get back on the air.   I've got to drop the antenna an replace the feedline + rope soon.
03:41.53MonMothaheh, our club did that last year.  Old coax was cruncy
03:41.55MonMothacrunchy
03:42.07T0mW1.5 wavelengths on 17, it works well on 40 too
03:42.50T0mWIIRC it is resonant around 6.7 MHz
03:43.00MonMothawe've got a trapped 40/80 dipole loaded for 160, dedicated 40m that we also use on 15 during contests, and a Mosley Pro-57-B beam on 20, 17, 15, 12, and 10
03:43.10MonMothaso no 30 and no 60, but all other HF bands
03:43.25T0mWthe trap stuff I've never done.  Too much trouble building the traps for me
03:43.38MonMothawe bought ours prebuilt
03:44.15MonMothawe're building some new antennas though. 440MHz helical for sat work, 1.2GHz and 2.4GHz feed into our new dish
03:44.15T0mWI had fun one year on 160mtr phone.  Worked 25 states and Canada during one contest.  It was a random wire, end fed.
03:44.21MonMothanot bad
03:44.24T0mW140ft
03:44.46T0mWyou want to talk about noise! 160 is noisy!
03:44.58MonMothayes it is
03:45.06MonMothaon 40 you have to dodge the broadcast stations though
03:45.07T0mWpower line and atmospheric is incredible
03:45.16T0mWyeah, or zero beat them
03:45.21MonMothathat works too
03:45.49T0mWI always check the zero beat, many times I find someone there.
03:45.59MonMothacan be hard to hear though
03:46.10T0mWshrug
03:46.28T0mWI've pretty good notch on the 850
03:46.58MonMothathe notch on the 2000 sucks.  It's "automatic" (DSP) and not configurable
03:47.00T0mWthat rig is 8 years old.  I got it the next year after I got my ticket
03:47.26MonMothahas a decent beat cancel function though
03:47.27T0mWbought it at Dayton
03:47.46MonMothayep, I spend most of my time out in the flea markets there though
03:47.48T0mWMonMotha: what rig is that with the DSP?
03:47.53MonMothatoo easy to overspend inside
03:47.57MonMothaKenwood TS-2000
03:48.07T0mWdon't know the radio
03:48.08MonMothathe adjustable filter bandwidth/cut points is nice
03:48.17MonMothait's Kenwood's current latest and greatest
03:48.22T0mWah
03:48.32MonMothaall amateur bands DC-1.2GHz (with the module) except 60m and 900MHz
03:48.32T0mWdid you mod it yet?
03:48.45MonMothahaven't had a need to.  Nothing it doesn't do that we want
03:48.55MonMothait'll do 60m if you mod it, but we lack an antenna
03:49.03MonMothaour old TS-440S is modded
03:49.06T0mWfirst thing I did with mine is open the transmitter up so it woould xmit anywhere from 160..10mtrs
03:49.24MonMothayeah, apparently an old member in the early 90s did that mod on our 440
03:49.38MonMothaapparently he liked to key the linear up on the CB bands and point the beam at the interstate
03:49.45T0mWLOL
03:49.46MonMothanot exactly good amateur practice...
03:49.52T0mWyeah, but...
03:49.56MonMotha400W on CB :)
03:50.07T0mWlow power station for CB
03:50.11MonMothatrue
03:50.34MonMothathey all haev their mic gain turned up soo thhehey soououounddd lillliiiiikekeke thiisisisisiiiiissss though
03:51.15T0mWyeah, waaaaay over modulated.  I had the TS850 in the car on 11mtrs, some of those guys you cannot understand unless they get 5 miles away from you.
03:51.26MonMothayeah
03:51.32T0mWall you hear is a buzzing noise
03:51.41T0mWanyhow, bedtime, later
03:51.48MonMothalater
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12:55.45chouimatmorning
13:38.45prpplagueCosmicPenguin: saw my first PIC yesterday
13:39.10prpplagueCosmicPenguin: they are selling it here as "maX Station"
13:42.41file[laptop]blah
13:48.23T0mWfile[laptop]: ptlooey
13:49.09file[laptop]blahhhhh
13:50.05file[laptop]my old one is deactivated but I've still got GPRS access ;) for free.
13:50.49T0mWnice
13:50.59T0mW?
13:51.12file[laptop]so Tom, what'cha up to
13:51.16T0mWYou run GPRS modem?
13:51.24file[laptop]I have a Pocket PC phone
13:51.33T0mWoh
14:00.28file[laptop]oh Rogers changed their SIM cards, how ugly
14:00.33Soopamanfile[laptop], what laptop?
14:00.43Soopamanerr phone
14:00.46file[laptop]Audiovox 4100
14:00.56Soopamanhow are they?
14:01.04file[laptop]hasn't arrived yet ;) but it was inexpensive
14:01.08file[laptop]$199 USD unlocked, brand new
14:01.12Soopamannice
14:01.39file[laptop]400MHz Intel chip... SD/IO, 64MB, yeah I think it'll be nifty
14:05.10Soopamani'm playing around with a hiptop now
14:05.15Soopamanpretty cool/fun
14:05.24file[laptop]ah yes a hiptop
14:05.30Soopamanbut the fido x-over is pissing me off
14:05.59file[laptop]I'm trying to do something evil with Fido, allow me to use their unlimited data with Rogers roaming in a province where they have no native coverage ;)
14:06.57prpplagueCosmicPenguin: ping
14:09.38file[laptop]but since I have free GPRS on Rogers for the time being, that plan is temporarily on hold
14:10.11chouimatfile[laptop]:tsk tsk
14:10.26file[laptop]'tsk 'tsk 'tsk frenchman
14:10.43chouimatfile[laptop]: toe mon tit crisse!
14:11.13file[laptop]lol
14:13.40T0mWsigh, with all the hype about subversion, I'd like to see a shootout between cvs, subversion and arch
14:14.42T0mWI need branching & merging capabilites, but am afraid to try this with cvs
14:14.49chouimatT0mW: cvs ok, svn getting there arch SUCKS
14:15.20T0mWbang bang, eh? ;)
14:15.27Soopamanfile[laptop], where you at?
14:15.39chouimatT0mW: tested all of them ... currently using svn+svk
14:16.29file[laptop]Soopaman: New Brunswick
14:16.34T0mWI've got code I wrote but haven't sold, then there is maintainence code I need to do today and don't want to release what they haven't sent a purchase order for.
14:17.21T0mWso, I've got to diff files to pull out the changes, then revert the working image to a prior date...
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14:27.46Crofton__TomW, I use subversin
14:28.17Crofton__My impression it is a better cvs, but I haven't done that much woth cvs
14:28.37Crofton__branching and merging seem ok with svn
14:30.36Soopamanfile[laptop], have you always been i nnew brunswick?
14:30.52file[laptop]yup
14:31.37Soopamanthought you and chouimat were bloc quebec'ers
14:31.43file[laptop]ha no
14:32.12file[laptop]chouimat is enough Quebecer for two people though :p
14:33.17CosmicPenguinprpplague: pong
14:33.31file[laptop]eep
14:33.41chouimatSoopaman: f*ck the bloc
14:34.01prpplagueCosmicPenguin: don't have a line on any of the other distributors of the new line of geode thin clients?
14:34.32Soopamanchouimat, them and the conservatives are gonna force another election
14:34.41Soopamanand if i have to vote again.... GRRRR
14:34.50chouimatlike we need another one so soon
14:34.55CosmicPenguinprpplague: right now, the only vendor to market that I've heard about is Wyse
14:35.02prpplaguelovely
14:35.02Crofton__what's a bloc q'er
14:35.06CosmicPenguinI know there are some others trying, but they haven't made public announcements yet
14:35.12prpplagueand the price wyse charges is insane
14:35.21chouimatCrofton__: http://www.blocquebecois.org/
14:35.27CosmicPenguinThe little RDK that I've been working on is now apparently availaible in Germany, though
14:35.33SoopamanCrofton__, they are chouimat 's parent's friends
14:35.37CosmicPenguinhttp://www.cool-shop.de/product_info.php?products_id=51&cPath=5&XTCsid=e253be4a825436d947e80b4c8197b4d7
14:35.55Soopaman:P
14:35.55CosmicPenguinAnd it will soon be available in the US through a direct retailer
14:35.56chouimatCrofton__: good luck if you can find the english page ... (they are angainst that language)
14:36.07Crofton__Heh
14:36.36Crofton__If I still lived there, I would campaign to box all the frenchies up and send em back to France :)
14:36.50CosmicPenguinOr at least to import some better cheese and wine
14:37.03chouimatCrofton__: :)
14:37.07Crofton__Kind of like sending all the non-english speakers in US back
14:37.40CosmicPenguinWell, if you are british, then you think that nobody in the US speaks english correctly
14:37.48Crofton__and I took the trouble to learn the language
14:37.58Crofton__well, I left Britain when I was 2
14:38.07CosmicPenguinYou ain't talkin' straight, stranger
14:38.17SoopamanCrofton__, were you teeth saved?
14:38.23Crofton__yes
14:38.25Crofton__sort off
14:38.34Crofton__still lots of fillings
14:38.45Crofton__no Flouride until I was around 10
14:38.46Soopamani don't understand how that works in britain
14:38.56CosmicPenguinprpplague: you encountered a PIC in the islands yet?
14:39.32Crofton__My best ever lanhgauge story (I also spent 2 years in australia at some point)
14:39.59Crofton__High school guidance counselor asked me if I had trouble learning "Australian"
14:47.45file[laptop]you killed the conversation
14:49.39Soopamanlol
14:51.26prpplagueCosmicPenguin: yea, at the c&w offices yesterday
14:51.35prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hehe, the winblows was toasted
14:57.44CosmicPenguinReally?  What happened?
14:57.59CosmicPenguinIf you have something for me to report, I'm 20 feet from the guys who did that
14:58.55prpplagueCosmicPenguin: not sure, as i am no winblows expert, but it appeared that unit would boot, come up then it would give messages about missing dlls and then reboot
14:59.24prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i only had about a minute to look at it
14:59.56prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i was really surprised since i had not heard them advertise it or anything
15:08.03prpplagueCosmicPenguin: http://www.ntavo.com/ntaterminal.php
15:08.13prpplagueCosmicPenguin: beats the pants off wyse's prices
15:10.23file[laptop]wow, nice
15:11.05file[laptop]$149... and with PCI
15:11.11CosmicPenguinI don't question Wyse's pricing policies - I know they can charge less, but they don't
15:11.21CosmicPenguinSo it must be a marketing decision of some sort
15:11.28prpplagueCosmicPenguin: yea
15:11.32prpplagueCosmicPenguin: oh well
15:11.43prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hehe, i was surprised to see the PIC though
15:11.52CosmicPenguinprpplague: did they take it apart for you?
15:12.09prpplagueCosmicPenguin: no, i was just there for my adsl stuff, so i had no time
15:13.09CosmicPenguinheh
15:13.13CosmicPenguinHow much they charging for one?
15:13.34Soopamanok, anyone have any ideas on how to jtag a mips router?
15:13.39Soopamanthis router is going to die
15:13.45Soopamanif i don't get some real tools on it
15:17.34prpplaguehehe
15:17.43prpplaguehttp://elinux.org/wiki/JTAG
15:18.02prpplagueSoopaman: i have a decent list of tutorials and information there
15:23.17Soopamanthx
15:23.29prpplaguenp
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16:14.29hardwiremeh
16:15.21CosmicPenguinThats what I said
16:19.25hardwireugh
16:19.25CosmicPenguindon't make me come over there
16:19.33hardwireI need somebody to verify some funky math
16:19.42hardwireanybody a math whizzo?
16:23.39MonMothadefine funky and whizzo
16:24.47hardwireyou ain't down with this kind of math then :)
16:25.05file[laptop]in my world, pi is exactly three
16:25.07MonMothaI may well be, depends on what it is
16:25.37MonMothaI'm actually pretty decent with many discrete topic
16:25.43hardwireheh
16:26.23hardwireI have a sat system set up
16:27.00hardwireI need to figure out the safe amount of feet away from a giant 2500 foot high mountain I can be for clearance
16:27.25hardwireall starting from sea-level.. so its nice and even
16:27.49hardwireso all you should really need to know is the elevation off the horizon
16:27.54MonMothathat's just trig...
16:27.56hardwirewhich is 19.98 degrees
16:28.12hardwireI figured this out.. but I need more than one person to give me results
16:28.24hardwirebecause people keep hounding me that it won't work
16:28.37MonMotha2500/tan(19.98), right?
16:28.42hardwireyeh
16:28.48CosmicPenguin2500 feet is giant?
16:29.03MonMothaCosmicPenguin: around here we could call that a "fucking huge mountain"
16:29.13CosmicPenguinAround here we call that a foothill
16:29.15hardwireCosmicPenguin: yes.. concidering the mountains feet are the edge of the small island.
16:29.17MonMothamany other places may refer to it as a "small hill"
16:29.36MonMothasee, a change in elevation of >5ft around here is a big del
16:29.37hardwireit goes from sea-level to 2500 feet in around 300 feet
16:29.38MonMothadeal
16:30.49CosmicPenguinNow *thats* a giant mountain
16:31.00hardwireMonMotha: >>> 2500/math.tan(19.98 * (3.141596/180))
16:31.00hardwire6876.1528455584803
16:31.05hardwireshould'nt that be it?
16:32.03hardwireerr.
16:32.06hardwiremath.pi :)
16:36.37hardwireno problems
16:36.43hardwireit looks like I will have my clearance
16:36.57hardwirethe bay I am shooting acrossed is 4 miles long
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16:41.13file[laptop]mornings are overrated
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18:03.25prpplagueandersee: ho ho ho
18:03.32prpplagueandersee: how goes it ?
18:04.07anderseeprpplague: morning
18:04.11anderseeprpplague: not too bad
18:04.42prpplagueandersee: hows life with the new critter?
18:04.56anderseeprpplague: new critter?
18:05.08prpplagueandersee: baby
18:05.53anderseeprpplague: heh.  Baby Peter is a year old now.  Walking all over and climbing everything
18:05.59anderseefile[laptop]: hey
18:06.10prpplagueandersee: hehe
18:08.09CosmicPenguinhttp://www.case-mod.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=1201
18:08.10CosmicPenguinwow
18:11.28prpplaguecool
18:11.37prpplagueCosmicPenguin: how did you get that?
18:12.43prpplagueCosmicPenguin: that would make a good POS unit
18:17.26CosmicPenguinWow - that little bastard is cute
18:17.57CosmicPenguinHas a car adapter too
18:18.22CosmicPenguinUSB touchscreeen in
18:22.04CosmicPenguinAlready in the kernel
18:22.07CosmicPenguinnow, thats what I like to see
18:22.49T0mW2400x480 is an odd aspect ratio, isn't it?
18:22.50mallumCosmicPenguin: what driver is it ?
18:22.58mallumT0mW: I guess thats a misprint
18:23.08T0mWnever ASSuME
18:23.37CosmicPenguinrivers/usb/input/touchkitusb.c
18:24.52mallumT0mW: surely a 7inch display that could do 2400 would cost a small fortune
18:25.01T0mWheh
18:25.18T0mWat < 16ms refresh
18:25.31CosmicPenguinwow - I didn't expect this to all just work....
18:25.55T0mWhmm, they don't mention the refresh rate
18:26.01CosmicPenguinNow I have to sit around and wait for the image to build
18:26.36CosmicPenguinLCD/Touchscreen+mambo+mmsv2 = woohoo!
18:27.18CosmicPenguinYes - yes I am
18:27.20T0mWheh
18:27.31CosmicPenguinBut an in-wall multimedia system for less then 500 bucks is an exciting prospect
18:27.35T0mWya, it is the little things in life
18:28.14T0mWit would be, doggone LCDs are so pricey though (the nice big ones)
18:28.27CosmicPenguinT0mW: yeah
18:28.45T0mWCosmicPenguin: you gonna mount this into the ceiling of the bedroom?
18:28.48T0mW:P
18:28.54CosmicPenguinhttp://www.mavromatic.com/archives/000444.asp
18:28.58CosmicPenguinThats what got me all excited
18:29.06CosmicPenguinBut thats a 900 dollar LCD
18:30.18CosmicPenguinAnd I'm excited because I just happen to have a 533 Mhz fanless device the size of a paperback that runs on 12V
18:31.05prpplaguehehe
18:31.23prpplagueCosmicPenguin: too bad they sell that paperback at a horrible price
18:31.24CosmicPenguinthat reminds me
18:31.40CosmicPenguinprpplague?  They're not on sale yet
18:31.58CosmicPenguinAt least the cool ones - the ones the germans hacked with a 40G hard drive is wayyy overboard
18:32.09prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i mean like the wyse units
18:32.19CosmicPenguinoh, nah
18:32.25CosmicPenguinI'm not talking about those
18:33.27file[laptop]I have to admit though this thing gets awfully hot :p
18:34.01CosmicPenguinNot that hot
18:34.05CosmicPenguindon't whine... :)
18:34.27file[laptop]well, it is heating my room...
18:39.56CosmicPenguinThere's nothing worse then getting all excited and then finding out that your hack isn't nearly as cool as you thought it would be
18:44.47file[laptop]why are women so... irritating?
18:45.00file[laptop]stressed for no reason.
19:14.07prpplagueCosmicPenguin: ping
19:16.08CosmicPenguinpong
19:16.25prpplagueCosmicPenguin: your favorite topic........
19:16.27prpplagueCosmicPenguin: DOC
19:16.48CosmicPenguinjoy
19:16.55prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i've not tackled that beast in about 2 years, whats the current support level?
19:18.14CosmicPenguinTo tell you the honest truth, I haven't messed with it much in the last few years either
19:18.30CosmicPenguinWe've been using the newer M-Systems stuff with IDE translation layers
19:18.49CosmicPenguinBut I do believe that they have MTD drivers for the DOCs these days, which makes life much easier in that regard
19:19.07file[laptop]bad DOC bad!
19:19.51prpplagueCosmicPenguin: ahh
19:20.01prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i'll have to check when this new unit comes in
19:29.20CosmicPenguinWhat are you getting?
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19:34.19prpplagueCosmicPenguin: a whole line thin clients
19:34.21prpplagueCosmicPenguin: http://www.ntavo.com/ntaterminal.php
19:34.46prpplagueCosmicPenguin: gonna get a little satisfaction
19:35.15prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hehe, i'm gonna sell my thin client stuff here in barbados at 1/6 the price that abcs is
19:35.29CosmicPenguinprpplague: heh
19:35.45CosmicPenguinprpplague: good luck with Via... :P
19:35.59prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hehe
19:36.08prpplagueCosmicPenguin: if i could find a geode for that price
19:36.26file[laptop]mmm that is inexpensive
19:36.47CosmicPenguinprpplague: Unforutnately, we aim for the enterprise customers so small fries are out of luck
19:45.25prpplagueCosmicPenguin: small fry?
19:45.47prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hehe thats the attitude that keeps geode on the back burner with ppl, hehe
19:46.31CosmicPenguinIts not my decision
19:46.44file[laptop]argh my head hurts
19:47.03CosmicPenguinIts very difficult to sell onesy-twosy and sales people are by nature very lazy
19:47.59CosmicPenguinThere's no money in it, for us or for the distributors
19:48.11CosmicPenguinIf you take a flyer on a product, and its successful, like the Epia, then you look like a genius
19:48.22CosmicPenguinBut for every Epia, there are 10 devices that failed in the consumer market
19:49.17CosmicPenguinSo its really difficult for us to find distributors that are even willing to discuss sales in lots of less then a 1000 units, and even more difficult to close the deal
19:50.35prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i just sent a PO for 1200 units
19:53.42CosmicPenguinprpplague: DT would've talked to you at that quanity
19:55.26prpplaguedt?
19:56.14CosmicPenguinhttp://www.dtresearch.com/prod_webDT166CE.html
19:58.19prpplagueCosmicPenguin: well first of all the unit they have has no serial ports
19:58.42file[laptop]I might really have to look at the NTA terminal
19:58.44file[laptop]cause it has a PCI slot...
19:59.21CosmicPenguinHey, thats what I have to offer - if it doesn't work, it doesn't work
19:59.43CosmicPenguinThe Epia is a fine machine for what it offers
20:00.03file[laptop]argh my head hurts though
20:22.42prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i'm not kicking your work dude
20:22.59prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i just think the marketing guys are missing the target as usual
20:26.03CosmicPenguinThey're starting to look more at the smaller markets
20:26.52CosmicPenguinAlso, the distributors control much more of that market then I personally would like
20:27.40prpplagueCosmicPenguin: thin client market is always about the $$
20:27.55prpplagueCosmicPenguin: thin has to be way less than thick to make sense
20:28.32prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hard to sell a thin client at 350 when a thick one is just 500
20:32.23CosmicPenguinAnybody know off hand the major/minor of the input/event device?
20:33.26CosmicPenguin13 64
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