| 00:00.10 | T` | CosmicPenguin, u work in TX ? |
| 00:01.40 | CosmicPenguin | No |
| 00:01.56 | CosmicPenguin | file: I'm gonna smack our marketing guy upside the head if he forgets again |
| 00:01.59 | T` | k, a friend of mine joined there 4 months ago.. works in austin, TX |
| 00:02.25 | kergoth | yay, smacking marketing guys upside the head |
| 00:02.28 | kergoth | can i help? |
| 00:03.27 | CosmicPenguin | Thats a full time job |
| 00:03.51 | kergoth | thatll work. i'll be a professional cluebat-weilder |
| 00:03.55 | kergoth | need a job anyway |
| 00:03.56 | kergoth | :D |
| 00:04.31 | CosmicPenguin | Heh |
| 00:05.02 | CosmicPenguin | "I'm sorry, that was a stupid request. I'm afraid I'm going to have to call in the cluebatter" |
| 00:05.17 | file[laptop] | lol |
| 00:05.21 | kergoth | haha, thatd be sweet |
| 00:05.29 | MonMotha | ibot cluebat marketing |
| 00:05.31 | ibot | ACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps marketing. |
| 00:06.08 | CosmicPenguin | http://bitwagon.com/zlib_arm/zlib_arm.html |
| 00:06.16 | CosmicPenguin | Heh - good freekin' luck making any money with that |
| 00:06.30 | T` | kergoth, what is the situation like when u give your resignation? do they ask you to reconsider or anything like that/ |
| 00:06.42 | T` | kergoth, never did it myself, but i think i will need it sometime |
| 00:06.53 | kergoth | heh, my boss and i both knew my time was running out |
| 00:07.02 | kergoth | i wouldve been fired for low performance eventually |
| 00:07.17 | kergoth | so no, they didnt try to talk me out of it. was just a matter of time. either i left voluntarily, or i didnt |
| 00:07.31 | T` | aah i c |
| 00:07.41 | T` | hmm.. have u done this when u were performing really good? |
| 00:07.49 | kergoth | so i told him my plans, he said okay, blah blah, then we bs'd about knives from cold steel and rock concerts |
| 00:07.59 | T` | or know what the scenario is? i am thinking if its a good strategy to use if u want more pay |
| 00:08.13 | T` | hahahah.. |
| 00:08.25 | CosmicPenguin | You have to be pretty damn sure of yourself |
| 00:08.26 | fishhead | http://news.com.com/Key+open-source+programming+tool+due+for+overhaul/2100-7344_3-5615886.html?tag=nefd.lede |
| 00:08.39 | CosmicPenguin | If you're not the greatest programmer in the world, you're gonna be out on your ass |
| 00:08.51 | T` | haha u mean greatest programmer in the company ;) |
| 00:09.24 | T` | yea.. pathetic attempts by coders to ask for more peanuts |
| 00:10.36 | CosmicPenguin | Lets just say, in order to blackmail your company, you better be the only one who knows the code, and be really bad at documenting things |
| 00:11.22 | kergoth | just make sure you've got an actual other position to take if it falls through |
| 00:11.24 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:11.31 | T` | lol yea |
| 00:12.01 | T` | kergoth, i guess now they are gonna dig up ur keylogs to see what u been doing all this time |
| 00:12.19 | kergoth | heh, part of my job is staying in contact with the community. my boss knows i irc |
| 00:12.25 | kergoth | hell, my coworkers do, there's an omap channel |
| 00:12.33 | T` | oh really.. haha cool |
| 00:12.40 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 00:12.44 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah, its in my job requirements |
| 00:12.47 | T` | vmware has a internal irc chan.. no port 6667 there :/ |
| 00:12.55 | T` | i had to ssh tunnel into my univ box to get on irc |
| 00:13.11 | T` | CosmicPenguin, what's ur job title? |
| 00:13.29 | T` | i think some companies dont like u to get online.. like using IMs or IRC |
| 00:14.27 | CosmicPenguin | T`: I'm a Senior Linux Engineer, which means that I'm a linux engineer thats old |
| 00:14.39 | T` | heh |
| 00:14.46 | file[laptop] | he's as old as the hills |
| 00:14.49 | CosmicPenguin | Because quite franky, the Senior part doesn't do jack diddly squat for me |
| 00:14.57 | kergoth | better pay? |
| 00:15.00 | T` | well.. yea |
| 00:15.09 | T` | i thought u guys are also given better offices and stuff |
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| 00:15.50 | CosmicPenguin | Heh - well, we all have our own offices here |
| 00:16.00 | T` | with windows? |
| 00:16.06 | T` | hehe |
| 00:16.20 | T` | i had a office as an intern but it was walls on all sides.. hated it |
| 00:16.32 | T` | i used to chill outside for 3-4 hours a day.. lol |
| 00:17.11 | CosmicPenguin | Nobody has windows, not even the site director |
| 00:18.58 | T` | so who got the windows? |
| 00:19.08 | T` | unles u guys are in a basement ;) |
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| 01:25.25 | Woof314156 | then pour linux into it |
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| 15:40.24 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:40.35 | CosmicPenguin | morning |
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| 18:32.30 | CosmicPenguin | Heh - comcast is going to start selling TiVO |
| 18:32.34 | CosmicPenguin | I wonder what sorphin would think about that |
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| 19:01.01 | Crofton | ~quote tivo |
| 19:01.10 | Crofton | yay! |
| 19:04.44 | kergoth | nice |
| 19:06.42 | Crofton | my avg cost is about that :( |
| 19:07.14 | CosmicPenguin | Heh - been there done that |
| 19:07.59 | CosmicPenguin | The only person who gets excited about my stock portfolio is my tax guy, becuase he's always telling me to sell and take the capital gains loss |
| 19:08.14 | hardwire | this should be interesting |
| 19:08.15 | Crofton | The real question is: should I buy more now |
| 19:08.21 | hardwire | going to offer a public pager coop on the island |
| 19:08.28 | hardwire | to get around a lot of really shitty FCC rulings. |
| 19:08.45 | Crofton | Need to see how the deal is structured |
| 19:08.45 | hardwire | err.. |
| 19:09.08 | hardwire | really cruddy.. |
| 19:09.08 | hardwire | :) |
| 19:09.08 | Crofton | Heh, I get rid of the losers as I need the losses to offset gains |
| 19:09.08 | prpplague | hardwire: which island is that? |
| 19:09.08 | hardwire | St. Paul Island, AK |
| 19:09.15 | hardwire | the fire department needs it more than anybody else. |
| 19:09.28 | hardwire | and using certain pager recievers you can get them in 900mhz. |
| 19:09.39 | hardwire | so I just need a BUC from 433 to 900mhz to make it legit. |
| 19:09.48 | hardwire | its more like 410mhz |
| 19:09.50 | hardwire | oh well.. |
| 19:10.09 | hardwire | and basically make a group of pagers all respond to the same freqs for the fire department. |
| 19:10.38 | CosmicPenguin | Yay - there is no longer a financial connection between SCO and Canopy.... |
| 19:10.44 | CosmicPenguin | We can stop making fun of levi... :) |
| 19:11.13 | prpplague | hardwire: hehe, only one major road from one side of the island to another? |
| 19:11.27 | prpplague | hardwire: whats the population there? |
| 19:11.57 | hardwire | prpplague: there are TWO! |
| 19:11.57 | hardwire | :) |
| 19:12.02 | hardwire | apx 600 peoples |
| 19:12.05 | hardwire | 400 aleut |
| 19:12.08 | hardwire | then crabbing season hits |
| 19:12.12 | hardwire | and it goes to around 1000 |
| 19:12.19 | hardwire | mostly phillopino |
| 19:12.21 | hardwire | damnit |
| 19:12.23 | hardwire | I can't spell |
| 19:12.43 | prpplague | hardwire: hehe |
| 19:12.56 | prpplague | hardwire: your on a smaller island that i'm going to |
| 19:13.01 | CosmicPenguin | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.02 | CosmicPenguin | Bah |
| 19:13.07 | hardwire | prpplague: where? |
| 19:13.10 | CosmicPenguin | if you can't fit your distro into 630MB, then you suck |
| 19:13.22 | hardwire | heh |
| 19:14.02 | prpplague | hardwire: barbados - http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/namerica/caribb/bb.htm |
| 19:14.31 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: little rule about islands - if 9 out of 10 people on the street have heard of it, it can't be called small |
| 19:16.08 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, if 9 out of 10 people on the street can't point out north american on the map, you must be in america |
| 19:16.25 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 19:16.35 | Crofton | ROFL |
| 19:16.39 | hardwire | can anyboxdy ping mail.bogomip.com |
| 19:16.44 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah, well - knowing about Barbardos and knowing where Barbados is are two completely different things |
| 19:22.16 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: btw, these alchemy boards are great |
| 19:22.28 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: they make excellent test boards |
| 19:22.33 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: glad you like it - what is that, the 1500? |
| 19:23.00 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: and unexpectedly they swing both ways. So I can test both mips and mipsel. |
| 19:23.07 | CosmicPenguin | Niceness |
| 19:23.15 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: yeah, they sent a 1500 and an 1100 |
| 19:23.33 | CosmicPenguin | Cool beans |
| 19:23.56 | CosmicPenguin | I'm excited for the 1200 development kits |
| 19:23.59 | andersee | I have them setup doing a tftp boot on the kernel, and nfs root for user space |
| 19:24.10 | andersee | makes it really quick to check things |
| 19:24.27 | Crofton | What is a 1200 devel kit? |
| 19:24.51 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.amd.com/us-en/ConnectivitySolutions/ProductInformation/0,,50_2330_6625_12409%5E12410,00.html |
| 19:25.02 | andersee | i.e. turns out gdb can debug uclibc-mipsel, but can't debug uclibc-mips.... |
| 19:25.11 | andersee | working on fixing that |
| 19:25.11 | Crofton | thanks |
| 19:25.34 | kergoth | andersee: heh, recent oe uclibc build.. sqlite3 segfaults.. python segfaults.. :\ going to investigate some today |
| 19:25.48 | andersee | kergoth: hmmm |
| 19:26.14 | prpplague | andersee: which bootloader? |
| 19:26.35 | andersee | kergoth: which arch? If built from yesterday's uclibc snapshot, most archs were broken. |
| 19:26.43 | prpplague | kergoth: d00d, are you having the same problem with sqlite3? |
| 19:26.49 | kergoth | andersee: i686 (using colinux), uclibc 0.9.27 |
| 19:27.02 | kergoth | havent tried other archs yet. |
| 19:27.28 | prpplague | kergoth: i'm getting segfaults with sqlite3 with uclibc on arm |
| 19:27.39 | kergoth | prpplague: immediately on execution? |
| 19:27.39 | andersee | prpplague: for the alchemy boards I'm using the builtin "YAMON ROM Monitor, Revision 02.17DB1500" |
| 19:27.39 | prpplague | kergoth: not with oe build though |
| 19:28.13 | prpplague | kergoth: first time the app calls a function from sqlite lib |
| 19:28.15 | andersee | kergoth: x86 was broken with yesterdays uclibc snapshot... |
| 19:28.28 | kergoth | and totally random side note, ew, genext2fs does an fread() of the entire file for each file you add to the fs. |
| 19:28.55 | kergoth | andersee: it was broken up until yesterday? or was broken recently, and then fixed? again, this is the last release, not a snap, that i'm testing with |
| 19:28.59 | prpplague | andersee: ahh |
| 19:29.24 | kergoth | prpplague: ah. i havent tested anything other than the sqlite3 interpreter itself |
| 19:29.28 | prpplague | andersee: i've been working on adding cs8900 8-bit support into our bootloader, and was just curious |
| 19:29.32 | andersee | kergoth: yesterday jocke checked in some changes to ldso that broken every arch but ppc |
| 19:29.44 | kergoth | right, not using snaps |
| 19:29.49 | andersee | kergoth: by late last night we had mips and x86 working again |
| 19:30.17 | andersee | kergoth: hmm. 0.9.27? |
| 19:30.20 | kergoth | yep |
| 19:30.52 | andersee | any chance I could get an ssh connect to debug it? |
| 19:31.07 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: I do believe its time to shake the dust off of bootmenu and make it pratical |
| 19:31.13 | kergoth | not until i get home.. i forgot to start colinux before i came to work |
| 19:31.17 | kergoth | should really set it up as a service |
| 19:31.34 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: sounds good to me |
| 19:31.35 | andersee | building oe to debug uclibc problems seems a good way for me to burn several days... :( |
| 19:31.49 | CosmicPenguin | which is ironic |
| 19:32.00 | andersee | colinux runs on win xp, right? |
| 19:32.02 | CosmicPenguin | because when you build OE with uclibc, it cuts about 40 minutes off the total time |
| 19:32.03 | kergoth | bootstrap-image almost never fails |
| 19:32.11 | kergoth | andersee: yeah |
| 19:32.18 | kergoth | works really nice, i like it alot |
| 19:33.16 | Crofton | what does colinux do? |
| 19:33.27 | andersee | with some C# thrown in for extra fun |
| 19:34.02 | kergoth | Crofton: its a linux kernel that runs natively in windows. |
| 19:34.11 | kergoth | Crofton: much faster than emulation w/ vmware |
| 19:34.16 | kergoth | Crofton: its kinda like UML, but for windows. |
| 19:34.23 | prpplague | andersee: be sure and don't poke your eye out with that "sharp" C |
| 19:34.28 | Crofton | Heh, but you have to boot windoze? |
| 19:34.31 | kergoth | ~fishslap prpplague |
| 19:34.33 | ibot | ACTION slaps prpplague up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 19:34.41 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:34.45 | kergoth | Crofton: heh, i use it on machines that have to run windows. like my work laptop |
| 19:34.55 | Crofton | Interesting point |
| 19:34.56 | kergoth | Crofton: and my home workstation that runs windows for gaming reasons |
| 19:35.01 | Crofton | Can you load any distro? |
| 19:35.03 | kergoth | gives you a sane development env |
| 19:35.08 | kergoth | any distro you have a disk image of |
| 19:35.13 | kergoth | they have deiban and gentoo |
| 19:35.21 | kergoth | i use oe in it myself, lets me debug native development in an oe rootfs |
| 19:35.42 | Crofton | heh |
| 19:35.57 | Crofton | It would be useful to load FC on some guys widders machiens here |
| 19:36.04 | andersee | much nicer than trying to use cygwin i expect |
| 19:36.45 | Crofton | Add another thing to the list of interesting ideas |
| 19:36.58 | Crofton | Maybe I will see if our IT guy can work out details ... |
| 19:37.17 | andersee | cygwin is great for some things (vim is better than then the visual studio editor for example). But sucks for building stuff. |
| 19:37.53 | Crofton | MAX, you there? |
| 19:37.54 | hardwire | blah |
| 19:37.59 | Crofton | Sorry yelling for coworker |
| 19:38.26 | CosmicPenguin | ~fishslap Crofton |
| 19:38.28 | ibot | ACTION slaps Crofton up side the head with a wet fish. |
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| 19:38.32 | Crofton | ouch |
| 19:38.35 | hardwire | bastard. |
| 19:38.59 | CosmicPenguin | don't talk about file like that |
| 19:39.05 | hardwire | I was talking about darkschneider |
| 19:39.22 | darkschneider | eheh |
| 19:39.27 | hardwire | h |
| 19:39.30 | kergoth | andersee: right, yeah. cygwin is great for just having a better commandline in windows. ssh, vim, etc. development is a pain in the ass. |
| 19:39.32 | darkschneider | hardwire: rigth :-) |
| 19:39.37 | hardwire | ht |
| 19:39.42 | CosmicPenguin | step 1 - autotoolize bootmenu |
| 19:40.01 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: get an svn repo up. |
| 19:40.04 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:40.09 | andersee | kergoth: anyway, if you can help me get OE to do its thing, I'd be happy to dig into the uClibc failures and get them fixed right up |
| 19:40.48 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: heh, thats a good idea |
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| 19:41.40 | hardwire | I finally got my voip system at home working |
| 19:41.42 | hardwire | its kinda neat. |
| 19:41.50 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: you notice there's been some discussion about console in userspace on linux-fbdev-devel? people arguing in both ways. a number of folks want to move the real console stuff into userspace, and leave fb console for kernel debugging only.. early messages. which sounds really nice |
| 19:41.52 | hardwire | blocked CID numbers get screamed at |
| 19:42.03 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:42.16 | kergoth | i need to play with voip one of these days |
| 19:42.17 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: that would be really nice |
| 19:42.22 | hardwire | kergoth: youdon't have the time |
| 19:42.37 | andersee | kergoth has lots and lots of time |
| 19:42.41 | andersee | :-) |
| 19:42.45 | CosmicPenguin | Nah - I'm an idiot, and I got VoIP running here at work |
| 19:42.46 | kergoth | yeah, being unemployed tends to do that |
| 19:42.53 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth is a genius, he should be able to do it in about 30 minutes |
| 19:42.59 | kergoth | andersee: yeah, we should be able to get you building with oe in no time |
| 19:43.36 | andersee | undoubtedly I'm doing something very wrong to make oe not like me. |
| 19:43.40 | kergoth | haha, i think the only person thats ever called me a genius is my mother |
| 19:43.53 | andersee | heheh |
| 19:44.00 | hardwire | CosmicPenguin: heh |
| 19:44.06 | hardwire | I am about to buy 35 cisco ip phones |
| 19:44.10 | hardwire | and deploy them at work |
| 19:44.14 | andersee | anyway, get me all setup and I'll get the uclibc problems fixed |
| 19:44.22 | hardwire | except I need to find the safest way to do this in parallel with our existing system |
| 19:44.27 | hardwire | since we pass a shitload of calls a day |
| 19:44.43 | hardwire | and downtime for even a day would bring unknown sizes of devestation to the world as I know it |
| 19:44.53 | andersee | hardwire: ugh. better to buy 18 Sipura SPA-2000s and use your existing phones |
| 19:45.05 | hardwire | I have 5 spa-3000's |
| 19:45.06 | CosmicPenguin | mmmm..... |
| 19:45.07 | kergoth | andersee: alright, i'll give you a local.conf to use. you just get the current oe tree and bb, and set BBPATH and fire off the build. |
| 19:45.09 | hardwire | and no.. its not |
| 19:45.13 | hardwire | because those don't work with digital phones |
| 19:45.29 | hardwire | we have over 30 people with NEC Dterm E series phones on our NEC pbx here at the office |
| 19:46.00 | hardwire | andersee: nothing would work on the phone even if it could interface via pots |
| 19:46.17 | hardwire | yeh |
| 19:46.19 | hardwire | I have one at home |
| 19:46.20 | hardwire | err |
| 19:46.23 | hardwire | the spa-3000 |
| 19:46.32 | hardwire | all incoming PSTN goes to * |
| 19:46.38 | hardwire | * then analyses CID |
| 19:46.48 | hardwire | and chooses to pass to the FXS and one SIP phone |
| 19:46.57 | hardwire | thats about it |
| 19:47.01 | hardwire | but.. outgoing is fun |
| 19:47.07 | hardwire | all LD through teliax |
| 19:47.22 | hardwire | and local via the PSTN.. or through teliax if the PSTN is busy. |
| 19:47.24 | andersee | the 3000 is nice since you can connect your line up to asterisk, but have it pass through on power failure |
| 19:47.36 | hardwire | yeh.. |
| 19:47.39 | hardwire | I have that set up |
| 19:49.33 | hardwire | did you know you can't always get.. what you waaaaant.. |
| 19:50.02 | sjhill | thank you "Rolling Stone" hardwire |
| 19:53.02 | CosmicPenguin | err... yeah |
| 19:55.23 | sjhill | 2 much info |
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| 20:22.01 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: putting the console into userspace is going to force people to think intellegently about exposing GPU acceleration to userland |
| 20:22.04 | CosmicPenguin | Thats a good ting |
| 20:23.30 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: yeah. there's also active work happening to merge DRM and fbdev. |
| 20:23.34 | kergoth | which is a very good thing |
| 20:25.53 | prpplague | mallum: you still awake? |
| 20:26.15 | fishhead | I wish I could get you guys |
| 20:26.20 | fishhead | working on the juicebox devel |
| 20:26.29 | fishhead | but I guess too many of you live outside the us :/ |
| 20:26.37 | prpplague | fishhead: most of the ppl here are linux not uclinux |
| 20:26.48 | fishhead | that's true too |
| 20:26.49 | fishhead | my bad |
| 20:28.28 | kergoth | verified that sqlite3 works fine under a uclibc 0.9.27 oe rootfs for arm. |
| 20:28.55 | fishhead | well they are using uclibc |
| 20:29.10 | fishhead | doesn't have to be uclinux since this is x86 |
| 20:29.48 | prpplague | kergoth: thanks for the info |
| 20:29.56 | fishhead | at least here I can pickup some arm tips :) |
| 20:30.06 | fishhead | for my webpal and some will translate to my juiceboxes :P |
| 20:30.26 | fishhead | hey if you guys start working with palm's linux os they will start soon let me know |
| 20:30.29 | kergoth | hrmm |
| 20:30.36 | fishhead | I might be willing to guinnepig it on my new t5 |
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| 20:31.26 | Sgt-Donan | hi |
| 20:32.57 | Sgt-Donan | i have a problem to build my root filesystem for my mvme162 (m68k) with buildroot anyone can help me or it isn't the correct channel ? |
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| 20:33.26 | prpplague | Sgt-Donan: not sure there are many m68k ppl here, we are mostly arm |
| 20:33.58 | Sgt-Donan | yes i know it seems that nobody use busybox on m68k :'( |
| 20:34.06 | fishhead | sgt-donan hey |
| 20:34.13 | fishhead | by chance do you know how to serial bootstrap m68k? |
| 20:34.22 | prpplague | Sgt-Donan: go ahead and ask your question |
| 20:34.30 | Sgt-Donan | ok |
| 20:34.31 | fishhead | I am trying to breathe life back into a palm IIIxe with a destroyed rom |
| 20:34.49 | Sgt-Donan | bootstrap means ? |
| 20:34.56 | fishhead | nm |
| 20:35.13 | fishhead | if you don't understand that you won't know |
| 20:35.16 | Sgt-Donan | i'm french |
| 20:35.20 | fishhead | it's a way to load code into the cpu |
| 20:35.24 | fishhead | when there is no rom etc |
| 20:35.28 | Sgt-Donan | yes ok |
| 20:35.39 | Sgt-Donan | i use network |
| 20:35.45 | Sgt-Donan | NFS filesystem with dhcp and tftp |
| 20:35.48 | fishhead | mine doesn't have network option |
| 20:35.54 | fishhead | but thx for trying |
| 20:36.02 | Sgt-Donan | so i don't know other methods |
| 20:36.08 | fishhead | it's ok :) |
| 20:36.11 | fishhead | peace and good luck to you |
| 20:36.14 | Sgt-Donan | i project to put the / in rom |
| 20:36.19 | Sgt-Donan | thx :) |
| 20:37.00 | kergoth | i'm still waiting to hear the question |
| 20:37.16 | Sgt-Donan | so i have an compiling error on uclibc |
| 20:37.22 | Sgt-Donan | i use buildroot |
| 20:37.30 | Sgt-Donan | the error is : |
| 20:38.01 | Sgt-Donan | oups |
| 20:38.19 | Sgt-Donan | on the params.h line 4 |
| 20:39.58 | Sgt-Donan | In file included from ../../../include/linux/param.h:4, |
| 20:39.59 | Sgt-Donan | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.59 | Sgt-Donan | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.59 | Sgt-Donan | ../../../include/asm/param.h:1:1: unterminated #ifndef |
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| 20:45.45 | prpplague | Sgt-Donan: probably have a ifndef for the m68k arch in param.h that is not complete |
| 20:46.05 | Sgt-Donan | i'm looking in |
| 20:46.06 | prpplague | Sgt-Donan: or possible a ; out of place cause the incompletion of the ifndef |
| 20:46.13 | Sgt-Donan | i think i found it |
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| 21:07.29 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm... its kind of annoying have to turn off the proxy when switching from external to internal music |
| 21:07.34 | CosmicPenguin | in xmms |
| 21:07.43 | CosmicPenguin | they should have the ability to omit networks |
| 21:08.08 | kergoth | thats true for every app that knows how to obey proxies. few support exclusion. ncftp does, some others |
| 21:08.14 | kergoth | proxies in linux is just a mess in general |
| 21:08.16 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:08.20 | CosmicPenguin | no doubt |
| 21:08.25 | CosmicPenguin | even irssi was a bitch to get configured |
| 21:08.59 | kergoth | tempted to throw together a proxy lib and start patching apps to use it :P |
| 21:18.36 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: svn co svn://covenant.kergoth.com/misc/trunk/libfoo |
| 21:19.24 | kergoth | thats my generic autotools shared library template source tree. use it as a basis for most things i work on |
| 21:19.29 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:19.58 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: heh, thanks |
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| 21:20.17 | CosmicPenguin | I'm trying to get cute with this thing - trying to allow static or dynamic plugins |
| 21:20.27 | kergoth | has the doxample doxygen auto* generation bits and stuff, which is overkill for an application rather than a lib, but.. |
| 21:20.30 | kergoth | ah |
| 21:20.31 | kergoth | thats useful |
| 21:21.09 | CosmicPenguin | too many config options |
| 21:21.35 | prpplague | argh, my spi/mmc code is not working properly |
| 21:23.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, it would be nice to put these in rental cars in barbados |
| 21:23.31 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3746438990.html |
| 21:24.23 | CosmicPenguin | Don't all the big rental car companies already provide that? |
| 21:24.57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: maybe in the states |
| 21:28.38 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm... |
| 21:29.15 | CosmicPenguin | Ok dammit, I know I've gotten svn through a proxy before |
| 21:29.40 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: btw, hows the diet? |
| 21:29.59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i've gained 10lbs in the last week due to my stress eating, hehe |
| 21:30.00 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: heh - not going well |
| 21:31.28 | CosmicPenguin | yeah |
| 21:31.34 | CosmicPenguin | thats a common human reaction |
| 21:31.37 | CosmicPenguin | food is conforting |
| 21:33.36 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: doh - can't seem to grab your stuff |
| 21:34.47 | kergoth | hmm, thats odd |
| 21:35.00 | CosmicPenguin | can't find your boxen |
| 21:35.02 | CosmicPenguin | must be a proxy thing |
| 21:35.05 | kergoth | ahh |
| 21:35.31 | CosmicPenguin | I thought I had it set up correctly, I have some other anon repos |
| 21:56.19 | prpplague | anyone have mmc/sd experience using spi? |
| 21:56.43 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: can you stick a tarball on a web server somewhere? |
| 21:57.00 | CosmicPenguin | file[laptop]: lemme get my cluebat |
| 21:59.06 | CosmicPenguin | I can't kill them, they need to send out hardware |
| 21:59.10 | CosmicPenguin | but I can maim them |
| 21:59.19 | file[laptop] | are they giving you a silly excuse? |
| 21:59.35 | CosmicPenguin | they're just not doing it |
| 21:59.42 | file[laptop] | how nice |
| 21:59.42 | CosmicPenguin | and dammit, somebody is making microwave popcorn |
| 21:59.46 | CosmicPenguin | it smells damn good |
| 22:00.04 | mallum | prpplague: hey |
| 22:00.41 | prpplague | mallum: hehe, did you hear me tell pb about my son's first day at cricket practice? |
| 22:00.51 | mallum | prpplague: no :) |
| 22:01.49 | prpplague | mallum: hehe, when i spoke to him he said "dad, can you believe they play baseball here with a flat bat!" |
| 22:02.18 | chouimat | prpplague: cool ;) |
| 22:02.42 | CosmicPenguin | And it takes about 3 times as long to play a game |
| 22:03.05 | prpplague | hehe, i thought it was pretty funny |
| 22:03.34 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: and about an eternity to understand the rules |
| 22:03.39 | mallum | prpplague: sounds like your enjoying your new location |
| 22:04.08 | prpplague | mallum: hehe, well atleast the kids and wife are, i don't head down there till the 24th |
| 22:05.34 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: http://kergoth.com/files/libfoo-20050515.tar.bz2 |
| 22:05.51 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: i should probably add an example of plugins to it or something. or do a non-library version |
| 22:05.54 | CosmicPenguin | grassyass |
| 22:05.59 | kergoth | its handy to avoid wheel reinvention when doing new project |
| 22:06.00 | kergoth | s |
| 22:06.02 | kergoth | just copy & modify away |
| 22:08.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: argh, i hate it when the code "looks" correct, but just doesn't work |
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| 22:16.00 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: I'm going to give that to our test guys as the basis for all of our test tools |
| 22:16.08 | CosmicPenguin | I'm on a kick to autotoolize all of our test stuff |
| 22:22.12 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: prpplague kergoth http://www.denialinfo.com/geeks.jpg |
| 22:22.43 | CosmicPenguin | cute |
| 22:22.43 | prpplague | hehe |
| 22:32.30 | Sgt-Donan | bye |
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| 22:39.08 | CosmicPenguin | Ok then, for the mean time, no static plugins |
| 22:39.36 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:39.38 | CosmicPenguin | Actually, screw that |
| 22:39.43 | CosmicPenguin | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.56 | CosmicPenguin | The conditionals are ugly though |
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| 22:55.41 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: ok, so I can see how you make plugins, pretty eaasy |
| 22:55.53 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: but what if I wanted to build in a plugin statically instead of making a dynamic one |
| 22:56.14 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: and to make it more interesting, there are certain plugins, like ncurses that have library dependancies |
| 22:56.55 | kergoth | you'd want to keep a global array thats a list of the plugin init functions, and have your plugin load code use that as well as load .so's, or something.. adjusting the Makefile.am per the conditionals shouldnt be too difficult |
| 22:57.05 | kergoth | for that, you'd want per-plugin CFLAGS/LIBS |
| 22:57.21 | kergoth | which go either to the plugin .so or the main link, depending on those conditioanls |
| 22:57.40 | CosmicPenguin | Ok.... |
| 22:57.49 | kergoth | heh, it might be good to store example code of how to do that somehwere |
| 22:57.51 | kergoth | perhaps in libfoo |
| 22:59.31 | kergoth | tslib is a decent example of ordinary plugins. no static stuff there though |
| 22:59.36 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:03.32 | CosmicPenguin | Hmm... I'll have to do conditionals by plugin |
| 23:04.02 | kergoth | you could let the user do something like --enable-plugins=plugin1,plugin2 --enable-plugins-static=plugin3,plugin4 |
| 23:04.19 | CosmicPenguin | actually, there's only one static |
| 23:04.25 | CosmicPenguin | for now |
| 23:04.35 | kergoth | well, depends on how flexible you want it |
| 23:07.15 | CosmicPenguin | hmm... I could always do the grocking in the configure too |
| 23:07.28 | CosmicPenguin | for static, just make sure the right stuff is in @LIBS@ |
| 23:07.48 | kergoth | consider something like database backends. say you have sqlite, sqlite3, and mysql. you might want that runtime, you might want, instead, to just compile one in monolithically and not build the others at all. or.. |
| 23:07.56 | file[laptop] | mmm sql |
| 23:08.26 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:08.48 | kergoth | actually, i might write some convenience m4/autoconf macros for this stuff |
| 23:08.51 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:10.26 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm.... |
| 23:11.02 | CosmicPenguin | does += work in automake? |
| 23:11.11 | kergoth | yeah |
| 23:19.50 | CosmicPenguin | I'm comfortable with autoconf, but automake remains a mystery to me |
| 23:20.04 | CosmicPenguin | I keep wanting to do evil make things |
| 23:21.17 | file[laptop] | silly CosmicPenguin |
| 23:23.01 | kergoth | yay, evil |
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| 23:43.06 | CosmicPenguin | Wow |
| 23:43.13 | CosmicPenguin | so many warnings on Gentoo |
| 23:53.22 | CosmicPenguin | Bah |
| 23:53.43 | CosmicPenguin | I got trapped in the makesystem trap today |
| 23:53.56 | CosmicPenguin | I should have just been writing code |
| 23:54.20 | kergoth | heh, i hate that |
| 23:55.45 | kergoth | did you know theres an AC_FOREACH()? |
| 23:55.46 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:56.26 | CosmicPenguin | No - really? |
| 23:56.27 | CosmicPenguin | cool |
| 23:56.29 | CosmicPenguin | Gah |
| 23:56.43 | CosmicPenguin | Somethings messed, I'm getting a big ol' ./configure: line 20935: syntax error: unexpected end of file |
| 23:56.51 | kergoth | ew |
| 23:57.02 | kergoth | K_PLUGINSET_INIT(one) |
| 23:57.02 | kergoth | K_PLUGINSET_ADD(one, plugin1) |
| 23:57.09 | kergoth | ./configure --enable-one-plugins=plugin1 |
| 23:57.11 | kergoth | heh! |
| 23:57.24 | CosmicPenguin | Wow - check you out |
| 23:57.48 | CosmicPenguin | So then you do a K_PLUGINSET_ADD(one, $withval) ? |
| 23:57.49 | kergoth | now i just need to add the bits to _ADD to setup the conditionals if its enabled.. |
| 23:58.11 | kergoth | nah, add adds the plugin to the set, and thereby makes it a valid option for the --enable-x-plugins |
| 23:58.17 | kergoth | and sets up the things if its enabled |
| 23:58.23 | kergoth | so you'd do _ADD whether the user specified it or not |
| 23:58.31 | kergoth | teh macros set up the AC_ARG_ENABLE stuff for you |
| 23:58.34 | kergoth | dont have to do any of that |
| 23:58.37 | CosmicPenguin | Oh... |
| 23:58.41 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:58.43 | CosmicPenguin | so it would be individual --enable-foo, --enable-bar |
| 23:58.48 | kergoth | if you wanted |
| 23:58.53 | kergoth | right now its one --enable per "set" of plugins |
| 23:58.56 | kergoth | which is an arbitrary grouping |
| 23:59.01 | CosmicPenguin | ok |
| 23:59.02 | kergoth | say, you had plugins for a db backend |
| 23:59.04 | CosmicPenguin | how about --with-plugins=<> |
| 23:59.05 | kergoth | then plugins for something else too |
| 23:59.06 | CosmicPenguin | like alsa |
| 23:59.11 | kergoth | yeah, i'm doing that next |
| 23:59.14 | kergoth | making the "set" optional |
| 23:59.16 | kergoth | so you'd do.. |
| 23:59.19 | kergoth | K_PLUGINSET_INIT |
| 23:59.23 | kergoth | K_PLUGINSET_ADD(plugin1) |
| 23:59.35 | CosmicPenguin | Scary |
