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| 01:16.51 | f1shhead | any m68k hackers here ? |
| 01:16.55 | f1shhead | OMG |
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| 03:19.43 | file[laptop] | prpplague: you! you're alive |
| 03:20.20 | MonMotha | kinda sotra |
| 03:20.45 | file[laptop] | MonMotha: poke |
| 03:20.53 | MonMotha | peek |
| 03:21.10 | file[laptop] | waddup |
| 03:21.21 | MonMotha | classwork |
| 03:22.08 | file[laptop] | a |
| 03:22.09 | file[laptop] | h |
| 03:22.54 | MonMotha | h |
| 03:22.55 | MonMotha | a |
| 03:23.06 | file[laptop] | ooh |
| 03:23.28 | file[laptop] | ah |
| 03:23.28 | file[laptop] | eek |
| 03:25.36 | f1shhead | mon |
| 03:25.44 | f1shhead | have you done m68k serial bootstrap |
| 03:26.00 | f1shhead | anyone know of the jornada 548 has linux support |
| 03:26.50 | prpplague | file[laptop]: what? |
| 03:26.54 | prpplague | file[laptop]: what do you want? |
| 03:27.05 | file[laptop] | prpplague: I'm psychic and knew you were there |
| 03:27.10 | prpplague | i see |
| 03:27.33 | prpplague | file[laptop]: hehe, you watching the elinux.org page or something? |
| 03:27.43 | file[laptop] | Mythbusters actually |
| 03:28.01 | file[laptop] | ...but uh maybe |
| 03:28.12 | prpplague | file[laptop]: how did you know i was at my terminal? |
| 03:28.27 | file[laptop] | a little birdie told me |
| 03:28.47 | prpplague | file[laptop]: and ???? |
| 03:28.52 | file[laptop] | yeah I looked at elinux :p |
| 03:29.00 | prpplague | ahh |
| 03:29.01 | file[laptop] | wanted to check up on 'da zipit |
| 03:30.22 | prpplague | ahh |
| 03:30.29 | file[laptop] | unfortunately no update ;( |
| 03:32.18 | file[laptop] | it has the potential to do what I want... which deals with VoIP |
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| 04:37.16 | sorphin | heh |
| 04:40.36 | file[laptop] | eek |
| 04:41.54 | file[laptop] | hehe |
| 04:42.01 | file[laptop] | I have no DIDs... |
| 04:42.03 | file[laptop] | nada |
| 04:42.13 | sorphin | file[laptop]: slacker |
| 04:42.20 | file[laptop] | hehe |
| 04:47.00 | sorphin | file[laptop]: whats new mr file? |
| 04:49.26 | chouimat | hi file[laptop] sorphin |
| 04:50.10 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 05:44.57 | prpplague | ok well, the mapping of the external connector for the juice box is now up on the wiki, for those who care |
| 05:45.29 | T0mW | sorry, I don't |
| 05:45.30 | T0mW | heh |
| 05:45.38 | T0mW | good morning |
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| 06:18.56 | sorphin | prpplague: only care about the pixter |
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| 07:33.23 | cdm | evening. |
| 07:35.22 | T0mW | morning |
| 07:35.54 | T0mW | cdm: although I am in Pennsylvania, I seem to be running on Tokoyo time lately. |
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| 14:40.29 | chouimat | morning |
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| 15:03.00 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
| 15:03.03 | sorphin | and there's the lackey himself |
| 15:03.37 | sorphin | ~lart monday |
| 15:04.00 | sjhill | indeed |
| 15:07.18 | prpplague | sjhill: morning crack baby |
| 15:07.26 | prpplague | sjhill: hack anything good lately? |
| 15:09.07 | sjhill | i was making some progress on irix binary emulation and then hit a wall |
| 15:09.16 | prpplague | ahh |
| 15:09.29 | sjhill | trying to decode failed sgi syscalls mixed with linux ones...is...interesting |
| 15:14.40 | prpplague | lovely |
| 15:16.15 | prpplague | interesting thing though, the juicebox external connector doesn't contain any address lines |
| 15:16.25 | prpplague | T0mW: hey how goes it? |
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| 15:17.46 | sorphin | and there's mr AMD |
| 15:18.02 | sorphin | all .13 micron of him |
| 15:18.29 | chouimat | http://www.trolltech.com/newsroom/announcements/00000192.html |
| 15:19.33 | chouimat | prpplague: we know |
| 15:23.39 | CosmicPenguin | morning folks |
| 15:24.12 | CosmicPenguin | Great - more damn cross platform code that doesn't work a damn |
| 15:24.18 | CosmicPenguin | I'm so excited! |
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| 15:31.33 | chouimat | look interesting http://www.sipfoundry.org/sipX/index.html |
| 15:33.26 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: riiiiight |
| 15:36.44 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I thought you out of anybody could detect sarcasm |
| 15:41.56 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: on a monday morning? i'm lucky to detect my eyelids |
| 15:43.20 | CosmicPenguin | yeah, good call |
| 15:45.18 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: "No Clue Found." |
| 15:45.35 | sorphin | "Please apply ClueBat(tm) and try again." |
| 15:47.08 | CosmicPenguin | They're partially clueful, because they locked out the BIOS on my new laptop |
| 15:49.01 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:49.12 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: they probably had your bios guys show them how ;) |
| 15:49.59 | CosmicPenguin | heh - nah |
| 15:50.04 | CosmicPenguin | these guys are pretty sharp |
| 15:50.18 | CosmicPenguin | And they didn't do a broadcast on their essid, so I guess they pass the clue test |
| 15:50.27 | CosmicPenguin | But now I have to go beg borrow and steal support for a Linux distribution |
| 15:51.33 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:51.49 | sorphin | wouldn't happen here |
| 15:51.59 | CosmicPenguin | And the #$*#$ ACPI on this box doesn't work |
| 15:52.05 | CosmicPenguin | it sleeps just fine, just doesn't wake up |
| 15:52.19 | prpplague | argh, what to do for a bootloader |
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| 15:56.44 | prpplague | andersee: re |
| 15:56.50 | andersee | prpplague: morning |
| 15:57.05 | prpplague | andersee: hey what is your prefered bootloader for arm devices? |
| 15:57.49 | sorphin | prpplague: what's wrong w/ the norm? |
| 15:57.54 | andersee | prpplague: I tend to use blob when I can |
| 15:58.10 | sorphin | (norm meaning blob) |
| 15:58.44 | sorphin | andersee: moin mr andersen |
| 15:59.13 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: ACPI is my life these days |
| 15:59.16 | prpplague | sorphin: blob's build environment has gotten unstable/unuable imho |
| 15:59.24 | prpplague | ususable |
| 15:59.41 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: can you revert back to a better version like we all used way back when, and then backport the critical fixes? |
| 16:00.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: kinda what i was thinking if i have the time |
| 16:00.57 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yeah, I know it will be more of a pita |
| 16:02.09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: 1.0.6 is the last version i used that was pretty stable and easy to use |
| 16:03.32 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: whats the version now? |
| 16:04.15 | CosmicPenguin | argh - framebuffer explosion off the port side captain! |
| 16:04.28 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: maybe it was me, but the version i had w/ the tux, etc seemed stable |
| 16:05.00 | CosmicPenguin | I agree - that was a very usable little bootloader |
| 16:05.09 | CosmicPenguin | Though I've been a long time fan of the features of the Ipaq bootloaders too |
| 16:08.57 | prpplague | sorphin: iirc that was the 1.0.8 version, let me double check |
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| 16:09.25 | sorphin | 2.0.5-pre3 |
| 16:09.44 | sorphin | This is blob-2.0.5-pre3 is in my buildroot-tux |
| 16:09.54 | sorphin | haxored by Tom Walsh |
| 16:10.19 | prpplague | sorphin: yea, the 2.0 series is a beoych, imho |
| 16:11.02 | prpplague | thats the key as long as you can get it to work, it works |
| 16:11.10 | prpplague | but i have to consider several factors |
| 16:11.18 | prpplague | 1) needs to be easily modified |
| 16:11.25 | prpplague | 2) needs to be maintainable |
| 16:11.35 | prpplague | 3) needs to build properly on rhat |
| 16:11.48 | sorphin | RH |
| 16:11.59 | prpplague | and currently the 2.0 series doesn't meet any of those |
| 16:13.10 | prpplague | sorphin: yea, well, thats what the biz ppl like |
| 16:13.10 | sorphin | and yes, i've used RH, so i'm not just idly knocking it |
| 16:13.19 | prpplague | sorphin: hard to convince them to use debian |
| 16:13.21 | sorphin | prpplague: not here |
| 16:13.22 | prpplague | sorphin: very hard |
| 16:13.26 | sorphin | prpplague: here they use SuSe |
| 16:13.41 | prpplague | sorphin: suse wouldn't be too bad |
| 16:13.49 | sorphin | prpplague: better than RH |
| 16:14.22 | prpplague | sorphin: agreed, but still, rhat has its own marketing agenda |
| 16:14.23 | sorphin | and since it's novell owned now, most of the corp drones know who novell is |
| 16:14.43 | sorphin | prpplague: to be the M$ of the linux world |
| 16:14.50 | prpplague | sorphin: but even if we used another dist, i still have the other two issues |
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| 16:15.52 | sorphin | prpplague: well, it's still ARM, shouldn't be that hard to get it under whatver ARM you're breaking atm |
| 16:17.23 | CosmicPenguin | grr.... kgdb has not been reliable lately |
| 16:17.59 | prpplague | sorphin: ?? |
| 16:18.15 | sorphin | prpplague: you're using it on an ARM device, right? |
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| 16:22.46 | prpplague | sorphin: yes, however i did not understand what you said |
| 16:24.54 | andersee | sorphin: morning |
| 16:25.49 | sorphin | prpplague: well, any tweaks to whatever arm you're using shouldn't be that bad, or are you wanting major changes elsewhere? |
| 16:26.24 | prpplague | sorphin: need to add several items |
| 16:26.41 | prpplague | sorphin: support for loading the kernel and ramdisk from both a usb device and from a mmc card |
| 16:26.54 | sorphin | ah |
| 16:26.57 | prpplague | sorphin: plus it needs to be as small as possible |
| 16:27.35 | prpplague | sorphin: i think i'll probably do what CosmicPenguin suggested and go back to the 1.0.8 version |
| 16:27.52 | prpplague | sorphin: and basically strip out all the sa-11xx specific stuff |
| 16:28.24 | sjhill | anyone have a nice usb host controller chip they would recommend for an embedded project? |
| 16:29.06 | CosmicPenguin | Thats a good question - stuff like that should be on the #elinux twiki |
| 16:29.18 | CosmicPenguin | all our stuff has integrated USB, so we don't use anything third party |
| 16:29.28 | prpplague | sjhill: we've been looking for one, but nothing as a stand alone chip has showed up on the radar |
| 16:29.52 | prpplague | sjhill: CosmicPenguin has the same situation that most others have |
| 16:30.02 | CosmicPenguin | I see USB chips sometimes in the embedded hardware magazines |
| 16:30.10 | prpplague | sjhill: seems like alcor had one |
| 16:30.17 | CosmicPenguin | But I'm not too sure of the validity of those |
| 16:31.21 | sorphin | , dont' see why it wouldn't work for embedded |
| 16:31.47 | CosmicPenguin | I don't think he's looking for a PCI solution though - is he? |
| 16:31.55 | CosmicPenguin | Because I know that NEC has a pretty nice PCI card |
| 16:32.19 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: nono |
| 16:32.25 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i meant the chip ON the card |
| 16:32.40 | sorphin | it may be able to do more than PCI |
| 16:32.56 | sorphin | tho |
| 16:34.49 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: pci might be okay |
| 16:35.11 | sjhill | Alcor Micro like prpplague mentioned looks like a good fit |
| 16:41.34 | prpplague | sjhill: which chip are you considering? |
| 16:41.53 | chouimat|lunch | anyone watched american dad yesterday? |
| 16:42.21 | sorphin | nope |
| 16:44.11 | CosmicPenguin | I tivoed it |
| 16:44.30 | chouimat|lunch | CosmicPenguin: it's funny |
| 16:46.01 | chouimat|lunch | sorphin: found the torrent |
| 16:46.25 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat|lunch: it looked to me to be exactly like the Joe charater from Family Guy |
| 16:46.37 | CosmicPenguin | So we'll see.... |
| 16:46.51 | chouimat|lunch | CosmicPenguin: it's by the same guys so ... |
| 16:47.16 | CosmicPenguin | yeah, but Futurama was very different then the Simpsons |
| 16:47.51 | chouimat|lunch | CosmicPenguin: yeah |
| 16:52.41 | sorphin | chouimat: that's nice.. |
| 16:55.52 | sjhill | prpplague: looks like Alcor is nice and compact |
| 16:56.22 | sjhill | my God, i have a MSEE and i've been doing software so long that i forget a lot of circuits |
| 16:56.33 | sjhill | this is going to be a challenge |
| 16:56.54 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: you shouldn't be ashamed for seing the light and abandoning the dark side |
| 16:57.08 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: are you my father? |
| 16:58.08 | CosmicPenguin | I'm more the Obi-Wan of software - luring hardware clones away from land of strange symbols and circuit diagrams |
| 16:59.07 | sjhill | heh |
| 17:06.59 | prpplague | ~lart lineo staff for not using the diff command properly |
| 17:07.36 | sorphin | sjhill: you're an MSEE? i don't buy it |
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| 17:12.48 | sjhill | sorphin: my paycheck says differently :) |
| 17:15.37 | prpplague | what kind of moron makes a patch that includes diffs against the generated configure script? |
| 17:16.36 | sorphin | sjhill: well, i'm a BSEE and guess what, my paycheck says nothing about my defree |
| 17:16.50 | sorphin | degree |
| 17:18.13 | sjhill | maybe you need to retake spelling :) |
| 17:19.06 | sorphin | sjhill: heh |
| 17:20.52 | prpplague | looks like when lineo did this patch, they did it against to built trees of blob, which means that it has diffs for everything including makefiles that are build during the config process |
| 17:21.20 | sorphin | that should be easily strippable |
| 17:21.33 | prpplague | `ls`: how come you let these guys post such terrible patches? |
| 17:22.09 | CosmicPenguin | That was funny the first time you did it |
| 17:23.22 | CosmicPenguin | Thats ok, I go into re-runs sometimes too |
| 17:26.33 | prpplague | argh, this patch is @#%@#$%@ |
| 17:27.31 | prpplague | instead of diffing against the Makefile.in it looks like they are doing a whole scale replacement of the Makefile.in |
| 17:29.17 | CosmicPenguin | Heh - and the Makefile.in is generated by automake? |
| 17:29.55 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: heh, cute, someone wrote emacs hooks for quilt. it automatically makes the buffer read only if the file hasnt been added to quilt, so you dont inadvertantly make changes without tracking them :) |
| 17:30.04 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: i'd like to see something like that for vim |
| 17:30.25 | CosmicPenguin | ohhh..... that would be useful |
| 17:30.30 | sorphin | heh |
| 17:30.58 | CosmicPenguin | It would also be nice if we could make perforce aware of quilt or vice versa |
| 17:31.13 | CosmicPenguin | I'm really struggling with the best way to put a quilt controlled tree into RCS |
| 17:31.26 | kergoth | i always had that problemw ith patcher too |
| 17:31.49 | kergoth | comes down to the dichotomy of development models. patch driven vs incremental checkin |
| 17:32.02 | kergoth | some sort of scm <-> patcher or quilt integration could do wonders |
| 17:32.04 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:32.11 | CosmicPenguin | indeed |
| 17:32.27 | kergoth | basically you need to insert a piece of metadata in each delta in the scm tool |
| 17:32.31 | kergoth | to flag what patch it belogns to |
| 17:32.37 | kergoth | add some more intelligence to the tool to make use ofi t |
| 17:33.26 | kergoth | that one scm, the one written in haskell, looks interesting |
| 17:33.35 | kergoth | i like the way its designed, the ideas behind it |
| 17:34.34 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: quilt works really, really well |
| 17:34.41 | kergoth | /usr/share/quilt/add:116:chmod u+w $SUBDIR$file |
| 17:34.43 | kergoth | ick |
| 17:34.55 | kergoth | if i was using quilt with bk, it could easily fuck up bk by doing that |
| 17:34.58 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: suppose I should try it some time |
| 17:35.03 | CosmicPenguin | it would mess up P4 too |
| 17:35.21 | kergoth | should teach it to check files out, editable, from the different systems |
| 17:35.30 | kergoth | like make does to get them for builds |
| 17:35.37 | CosmicPenguin | patch itself understands perforce |
| 17:36.01 | kergoth | it knows bk as well (or at least sccs, which behaves the same in this regard) |
| 17:36.11 | CosmicPenguin | right - RCS, ClearCase, P4 and SCCS |
| 17:36.45 | CosmicPenguin | Which is sort of a pain in the ass really, because it tries to use the RCS if the file being patched is read-only |
| 17:37.16 | CosmicPenguin | So a handful of packages in OE break my build - there is a flag I can set to modify that behavior though, I think |
| 17:37.38 | kergoth | ah right, defiantely would be good to be able to disable it |
| 17:38.14 | prpplague | argh, what to do, what to do |
| 17:38.41 | pb_ | g'day prpplague |
| 17:38.55 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: was the tuxscreen blob the lineofied one? |
| 17:39.12 | sorphin | pb_: wotcher pb_ |
| 17:39.50 | pb_ | hi sorphin |
| 17:50.30 | prpplague | pb_: howdy |
| 17:50.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: don't know |
| 17:50.50 | prpplague | pb_: whats cookin in histon today? |
| 17:53.54 | hardwire | hi |
| 17:55.12 | pb_ | prpplague: trying to debug a network performance problem |
| 17:55.13 | CosmicPenguin | Steup 1 is to kconfigize Microwindows - i'm sick and tired of its broken-ass build system |
| 17:55.13 | pb_ | our wifi is running like the proverbial blocked drain. |
| 17:55.17 | pb_ | looks like part of the problem might be that my esteemed colleagues have set up four different APs on the same channel. |
| 17:56.00 | prpplague | lovely |
| 17:56.54 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 17:57.01 | CosmicPenguin | That'll do it |
| 18:02.50 | prpplague | oh lovely, it gets better |
| 18:03.07 | hardwire | http://www.linuxdevices.com/products/PD2358115396.html |
| 18:03.10 | prpplague | these patches were created against a cvs version, not even a released version |
| 18:03.12 | hardwire | anybody had the chance to play with this booger? |
| 18:03.34 | CosmicPenguin | Whats the cost? |
| 18:03.40 | prpplague | intynsic sucks |
| 18:04.00 | prpplague | iirc its in the $1800 range |
| 18:04.57 | CosmicPenguin | holy crap |
| 18:05.08 | CosmicPenguin | Thats bad even for a one-off |
| 18:06.15 | prpplague | and their docs suck, they want you to pay for support |
| 18:13.38 | hardwire | err |
| 18:13.46 | hardwire | $900 for the cerfcube |
| 18:13.48 | hardwire | oh well |
| 18:14.15 | hardwire | I just want to make a radiotelephone VoIP trunk. |
| 18:14.16 | hardwire | damnit |
| 18:18.26 | prpplague | hardwire: what are the specs you need? |
| 18:21.25 | hardwire | I think I am just going to get the devkit for the SNOM boards |
| 18:21.39 | hardwire | however. |
| 18:21.45 | hardwire | I know my solution now |
| 18:22.16 | hardwire | origionally I was going to make a 19" rackmount PS2000 (StandardHorizon VHF radio) mod |
| 18:22.26 | hardwire | that used its RAM+ handheld ports to program the radio |
| 18:22.32 | hardwire | and it had the mic in the handheld |
| 18:22.56 | hardwire | and then use a hacked snom that did voice-detection of some sort to throw the PTT so it transmits |
| 18:23.06 | hardwire | however.. I think that has changed just as a few seconds ago. |
| 18:23.21 | hardwire | http://store.yahoo.com/boating-electronics/raray230vhfw.html |
| 18:23.31 | hardwire | I can just hoiok that up to an FXS |
| 18:23.35 | hardwire | and be done with it |
| 18:23.45 | hardwire | for a hell of a lot less than I can make it for |
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| 18:29.33 | sorphin | TimRiker: and there's the culprit |
| 18:29.59 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 18:30.15 | CosmicPenguin | The governor has offically declared this Lineo bashing day... :) |
| 18:31.25 | prpplague | ~lart TimRiker for letting lineo release crappy patches |
| 18:31.33 | sorphin | ouch |
| 18:33.54 | CosmicPenguin | Whoever is the evil one, it wasn't tim |
| 18:34.18 | CosmicPenguin | He was just the poor guy left holding the bag when everyone else bailed on him |
| 18:34.55 | CosmicPenguin | This is life in Utah County - its like Melrose Place, only with less sex |
| 18:35.01 | CosmicPenguin | :) |
| 18:35.28 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: less? don't you mean none? |
| 18:36.00 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 18:36.16 | CosmicPenguin | Well.... |
| 18:36.54 | CosmicPenguin | We should probably drop it... I'll just say that BYU sucks! and end it at that.. :) |
| 18:37.01 | sorphin | ;) |
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| 18:42.27 | cdm | morning. |
| 18:44.35 | sorphin | cdm: i reserved a mini at the local apple store |
| 18:45.21 | CosmicPenguin | speaking of Lineo |
| 18:45.29 | CosmicPenguin | TimRiker: what role does Tim Bird have in the whole CELF world? |
| 18:50.25 | cdm | sorphin, sweeeet |
| 18:51.19 | sorphin | cdm: ordering the base model, gonna do the extra ram, airport extreme, etc myself |
| 18:51.34 | cdm | can you do the AE yourself? |
| 18:51.42 | cdm | doesn't it need a special cable? |
| 18:52.36 | sorphin | cdm: well, i'll find out when i get the mini before i buy an extreme card |
| 18:52.58 | cdm | which one? :) |
| 18:53.09 | cdm | osnews.com? |
| 18:53.33 | sorphin | cdm: ya |
| 18:54.42 | sorphin | cdm: and i am gonna do the lil resistor change to bump up to 1.42ghz |
| 18:55.05 | cdm | sorphin, sweet. |
| 18:56.17 | cdm | do they have an ETA for you? |
| 18:56.24 | sorphin | cdm: on thing i do question on apple's part is why not default to 512M since that seems to be the best minimum for OS X w/ all the reviews i've read |
| 18:56.37 | sorphin | unless you want lots of swapping and dog slow |
| 18:56.50 | cdm | dunno |
| 18:57.18 | sorphin | cdm: he said maybe a week to 1.5 weeks? they're filling them as they get em, i'm on a local waiting list, but a guy here told me all the people he knows that ordered them got them before the predicted times, so.. |
| 18:57.54 | sorphin | cdm: that is definately one small beast tho, when i saw it in person w/ it's white LED :P tiny tiny |
| 19:00.28 | cdm | it's super tiny. |
| 19:02.22 | sjhill | $!#@$ network |
| 19:02.45 | sorphin | sjhill: it's better than any MIPS device i've seen ;) |
| 19:02.46 | sjhill | hey, it worked! |
| 19:03.38 | sjhill | sorphin: hey, the LinkSys stuff works pretty good, thank you very much |
| 19:03.52 | sorphin | sjhill: too bad they didn't actually make it |
| 19:04.18 | sjhill | yeah, but it's still MIPS and Linux :) |
| 19:04.26 | sorphin | linksys makes things is just like memorex, cept memorex actually has higher quality standards :P |
| 19:04.38 | sjhill | heh |
| 19:04.39 | sorphin | meaning they're both just rebranders |
| 19:04.57 | sorphin | sjhill: MIPS SchMIPS |
| 19:05.24 | sjhill | ~ibot fishslap sorphin |
| 19:05.26 | ibot | ACTION slaps sorphin up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 19:05.45 | sorphin | or is it a 200 |
| 19:05.46 | sorphin | i forget |
| 19:06.22 | hardwire | I am crazy.. right? |
| 19:06.24 | sorphin | cdm: just in time for my federal refund |
| 19:06.33 | sorphin | hardwire: you're in here, aren't you? ;) |
| 19:06.49 | hardwire | yessir |
| 19:07.16 | sjhill | l8r |
| 19:07.27 | sorphin | hardwire: fyi, file is the VoIP monkey around here |
| 19:07.36 | hardwire | I know file |
| 19:07.40 | sorphin | ah |
| 19:07.41 | hardwire | we hang in another few channels |
| 19:07.44 | hardwire | including #asterisk |
| 19:07.46 | sorphin | my sympathies ;) |
| 19:07.57 | hardwire | he is a happy little gopher isn't he? |
| 19:07.57 | sorphin | j/k |
| 19:08.03 | sorphin | hardwire: something liek that |
| 19:08.18 | sorphin | hardwire: know brian too then |
| 19:08.25 | hardwire | brian whom |
| 19:08.49 | sorphin | bkw_ |
| 19:08.59 | hardwire | I know not the bkw) |
| 19:09.01 | hardwire | err |
| 19:09.02 | hardwire | _ |
| 19:09.39 | sorphin | cdm: heh, you're gonna turn 30, ~29 days before me |
| 19:09.47 | sorphin | hardwire: bkw_ is in #sterisk |
| 19:09.52 | sorphin | #asterisk even |
| 19:10.18 | hardwire | he maybe chewed me out a few times |
| 19:10.26 | hardwire | my ideas aren't all that popular in there |
| 19:10.30 | hardwire | :) |
| 19:10.59 | hardwire | I had a dream I bought a palm pilot |
| 19:11.27 | CosmicPenguin | file is a pussycat |
| 19:11.36 | hardwire | meow |
| 19:11.37 | CosmicPenguin | just rub him behind his ears and he'll love you forever |
| 19:11.59 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: or mention voip |
| 19:12.56 | sorphin | heh |
| 19:13.10 | sorphin | the "VoIP Alliance just announced it's existance today" |
| 19:13.22 | sorphin | from at email here at work |
| 19:14.36 | CosmicPenguin | from the too little too late department |
| 19:16.05 | sorphin | and from the nice-try department, we have "AMD Releases yet another oddly named processor, aptly named, Cruton, following in their love of naming ____on processors" |
| 19:16.30 | sorphin | apparently it goes well w/ salads too |
| 19:16.52 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah, that goes with the Ceasar chipset |
| 19:17.09 | sorphin | Caeser |
| 19:17.18 | sorphin | iirc |
| 19:17.27 | sorphin | ~ibot spell Caeser |
| 19:17.29 | ibot | possible spellings for Caeser: Caesar Causer Coarser Case Casar Casey Cause Cassey Gasser Kaiser Cusser Coarse Creaser Caresser Casie Carder Cars Caws |
| 19:17.44 | CosmicPenguin | I spelled something right for once |
| 19:17.56 | sorphin | you did? |
| 19:18.47 | CosmicPenguin | Or not |
| 19:18.52 | CosmicPenguin | But I was closer then you were |
| 19:20.52 | sorphin | "Also noted by AMD, the new Cruton processor, which utilizes the Caesar chipset, utilizes a unique cooling system based from a Garlic Vinaigrette compound" |
| 19:21.29 | CosmicPenguin | I like that |
| 19:21.34 | sorphin | :) |
| 19:21.40 | CosmicPenguin | I'm going to start calling our next gen chipset the Cruton |
| 19:22.06 | CosmicPenguin | We can call the legacy add on board the Anchovy |
| 19:22.09 | CosmicPenguin | The possiblities are endless |
| 19:22.34 | sorphin | indeed |
| 19:23.39 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: now i know what you went through waiting for your house to be done, hell, mine's been done for 32 years, but i still have to wait for closing :P |
| 19:23.55 | CosmicPenguin | heh - yeah, it sucks |
| 19:24.28 | CosmicPenguin | then you sign 18,000 papers, and you walk in and it hits you - crap, now I have to be responsible |
| 19:25.43 | sorphin | 200A SquareD Homeline panel w/ 6 15A, 6 20A, 1 50A and 1 30A for $119 (tho i paid $88 after the $ left from the refund for something else) |
| 19:25.43 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill is gonna feel the same thing when his new process finally spawns |
| 19:25.43 | sorphin | too bad the 20A's will go to waste |
| 19:25.44 | sorphin | indeed |
| 19:26.00 | cdm | sorphin, did you just read that qnxzone posting? |
| 19:26.10 | sorphin | cdm: ? |
| 19:26.12 | sorphin | yeah |
| 19:26.18 | sorphin | and since it was 2004 |
| 19:26.26 | sorphin | that means we're both 30 this year |
| 19:28.59 | sorphin | prpplague: you're still not the oldest tho.. T0mW is |
| 19:29.07 | sorphin | hence why i call him gramps |
| 19:30.07 | sorphin | well, in his 50s |
| 19:30.37 | sorphin | prpplague: he is in his 50s tho |
| 19:32.20 | sorphin | 51 according to Orkut |
| 19:33.25 | sorphin | anyways |
| 19:45.59 | cdm | Tim is older then 30 isn't he? |
| 19:46.11 | cdm | by about 4 years. |
| 19:53.04 | TimRiker | tbitd is co-chair of the architecture group at celf. http://tree.celinuxforum.org/CelfPubWiki/TimBird |
| 19:56.51 | cbrake_away | TimRiker: going back to the uboot size discussion -- I wonder if anyone has tried Uboot in thumb mode -- or is this a bad idea? |
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| 20:14.13 | TimRiker | cbrake: hmm. the board would boot in arm, so you'd have to switch to thumb and then back again before booting the kernel. |
| 20:14.28 | TimRiker | size for all that would likely offset any savings. |
| 20:20.46 | cbrake | TimRiker: yeah, that would be messy to put together, and unless it got you accross a block boundary, there would be no benefit. |
| 20:22.37 | hardwire | does anybody know if clie is being phased out? |
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| 20:31.19 | sorphin | [g2]: moin |
| 20:31.30 | [g2] | ello |
| 20:33.32 | sorphin | [g2]: hows things ? |
| 20:34.11 | [g2] | ok ? you ? |
| 20:35.25 | sorphin | it's monday, so no motivation, no energy, no nothing |
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| 21:10.26 | prpplague | argh argh argh |
| 21:10.30 | prpplague | i can't decide |
| 21:12.35 | sorphin | prpplague: inee meenee minee mo, catch a bootloader... :P |
| 21:13.37 | prpplague | yep |
| 21:13.49 | prpplague | sorphin: i'm down to using blob or our custom stuff |
| 21:14.25 | prpplague | sorphin: and for blob, we have the lineo patches agains the 2.0.5 or takin the 1.0.8 and fixing it up |
| 21:14.38 | sorphin | nod |
| 21:20.19 | prpplague | sorphin: ok, then which version?> |
| 21:21.46 | sorphin | prpplague: well, that brings us back to what you need to do to it.. you said 2.0.5 won't meet your requirements |
| 21:22.35 | prpplague | sorphin: well not easily |
| 21:22.50 | prpplague | sorphin: the quality of the lineo patch is awful |
| 21:23.22 | sorphin | prpplague: well, i guess it boils down which will be the least painful |
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| 21:30.32 | prpplague | yea, well, all the lh79520 mods will be a pain either way |
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| 21:30.58 | sorphin | yeah |
| 21:31.13 | sorphin | prpplague: well, which will be the lesser of 2 files^H^H^H^H^Hevils |
| 21:31.56 | prpplague | sorphin: thats just it, the amount of problems is about the same either way |
| 21:32.57 | sorphin | prpplague: then i say flip a coin :P |
| 21:38.00 | file[laptop] | sooo what's up |
| 21:38.12 | sorphin | file[laptop]: someone was talking about your fav subject earlier |
| 21:38.23 | file[laptop] | oh oh oh |
| 21:38.29 | file[laptop] | who, what, when, where, why? |
| 21:39.49 | sorphin | file[laptop]: hardware was talking about some VoIP gateway or some thing, forget what and my scrollback don't work normal here.. |
| 21:39.52 | sorphin | erm |
| 21:39.56 | sorphin | s/hardware/hardwire/ |
| 21:39.59 | file[laptop] | ah hardwire yes |
| 21:40.00 | sorphin | can i go home now? :P |
| 21:40.05 | file[laptop] | no, no you can't! |
| 21:40.12 | sorphin | i've had enough of this monday! i want out! |
| 21:40.25 | hardwire | its monday? |
| 21:40.32 | file[laptop] | hardwire: yup |
| 21:40.38 | sorphin | ~monday |
| 21:40.39 | ibot | somebody said monday was when everything breaks for no apparent reason, creating so many problems that it takes you until friday to get back to normal. at which point one more thing breaks that takes you the whole weekend to fix |
| 21:40.54 | sorphin | ibot: amen brother |
| 21:46.27 | sorphin | file[laptop]: put in a reservation for a mac mini yesterday |
| 21:46.50 | hardwire | hi |
| 21:47.48 | file[laptop] | hi |
| 21:53.00 | T0mW | ~lart sorphin |
| 21:53.11 | T0mW | sorphin: I heard that |
| 21:59.32 | prpplague | kergoth: so whats the word? |
| 21:59.38 | sorphin | T0mW: heard what grandpa? |
| 21:59.48 | sorphin | kergoth: ditto |
| 22:01.39 | CosmicPenguin | hmm... I need a terminal server, but I used up all of my budget |
| 22:01.59 | file[laptop] | silly CosmicPenguin and his budget |
| 22:02.03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: thats what netcat is for |
| 22:02.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 22:03.08 | prpplague | no bets there, prpplague always wins over the computer hardware/software, the question is how long will it take |
| 22:03.24 | sorphin | prpplague: we shall see |
| 22:03.35 | T0mW | sorphin: heh |
| 22:03.39 | file[laptop] | a fortnight! |
| 22:05.22 | T0mW | hey, I put those four big speakers, the Kenwood stereo-amp-tuner, Harmon Kardon 5 CD deck out on the curb with a "FREE, we work, take us home" sign on them... |
| 22:05.41 | T0mW | they lasted a hot 12 minutes before someone snagged 'em |
| 22:05.46 | file[laptop] | lol |
| 22:05.46 | sorphin | heh |
| 22:06.29 | file[laptop] | except insanity |
| 22:06.36 | T0mW | young guy about 26..28 years old scarfed 'em up. Good for him too, it was still good stuff, I've got better now. |
| 22:06.37 | sorphin | heh |
| 22:06.59 | prpplague | i have a pvr250 for sale |
| 22:07.10 | T0mW | prpplague: with IR ? |
| 22:07.32 | prpplague | hmm, not sure if i can locate the IR module and remote |
| 22:07.45 | prpplague | guess i need to look this evenign |
| 22:07.54 | T0mW | prpplague: I need the IR module, don't need the remote. |
| 22:08.18 | T0mW | prpplague: I'll give you $75 for it? |
| 22:08.38 | file[laptop] | tired, oh so tired |
| 22:09.06 | T0mW | prpplague: oh, is that one of the linux compatible ones? |
| 22:09.09 | file[laptop] | CosmicPenguin: still doing something VoIP related? |
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| 22:09.41 | prpplague | T0mW: duh, thats all i use |
| 22:09.55 | prpplague | T0mW: the pvr250 works great, no idea about the IR |
| 22:10.26 | T0mW | prpplague: well, let me know if you want to sell it, I have one of the Windows Media Center, but I need one with an IR input. |
| 22:10.42 | prpplague | T0mW: i'll check for the IR parts tonight |
| 22:11.09 | T0mW | prpplague: I might be able to use the IR dongle from the cheap-o BTTV card that I have... |
| 22:11.10 | prpplague | T0mW: it definetly has the input socket |
| 22:11.24 | T0mW | prpplague: you want paypal? |
| 22:12.00 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, i guess we can do that |
| 22:12.06 | prpplague | T0mW: you need anything else? |
| 22:12.29 | T0mW | prpplague: just the card. Is that the one with the big heatsink on it? |
| 22:12.41 | T0mW | the 48xxx I think |
| 22:12.48 | prpplague | i don't recall, but sounds right |
| 22:13.15 | sorphin | heh |
| 22:13.20 | sorphin | mine has no heatsink |
| 22:13.27 | sorphin | that i recall |
| 22:13.31 | T0mW | whatever, they work fine. I have a PVR250 + PVR350 in my current box. I'd like to free up that PVR350 for another project |
| 22:13.45 | T0mW | sorphin: yeah, I've got both types |
| 22:13.50 | T0mW | heh |
| 22:13.55 | prpplague | T0mW: hey whats the status of your arm project? |
| 22:13.56 | sorphin | w/ the good chipset |
| 22:14.03 | T0mW | "file explodes"?!! |
| 22:14.10 | sorphin | and the best ntsc encoder |
| 22:14.38 | T0mW | prpplague: still cannot get the fscking customer to give me a definative spec. dammit |
| 22:14.47 | prpplague | T0mW: lovely |
| 22:14.55 | prpplague | T0mW: so no idea which processor you plan to use? |
| 22:15.01 | T0mW | "oh, I want this, maybe, or is this better, this week" |
| 22:15.22 | T0mW | prpplague: it's probably going to be the 79520 |
| 22:15.26 | file[laptop] | ooh it's sjhill's birthday on the 15th |
| 22:15.40 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe |
| 22:15.57 | prpplague | T0mW: so you'll be in the same boat as i if you do go with the 79520 |
| 22:15.58 | T0mW | prpplague: unless I can convince him with this email I'm drafting to drop WinCE DotNet and go with Linux or BSD. |
| 22:16.20 | prpplague | T0mW: oh |
| 22:16.33 | prpplague | T0mW: wince will run like a dog on the 79520 |
| 22:16.34 | T0mW | prpplague: he is staring to hit problems with wince |
| 22:16.38 | T0mW | no shit |
| 22:16.40 | T0mW | heh |
| 22:16.58 | T0mW | prpplague: Just what does it run well on? |
| 22:17.03 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe |
| 22:17.20 | prpplague | T0mW: well, i'm stuck trying to decide where to put my efforts in a bootloader for the 79520 |
| 22:17.23 | sorphin | file[laptop]: gonna send him some roses? :P |
| 22:17.27 | T0mW | maybe 400MHz X-Scale? |
| 22:17.50 | file[laptop] | sorphin: ha |
| 22:17.53 | T0mW | prpplague: I'd say rip the guts out of u-boot + blob and roll your own |
| 22:18.04 | prpplague | T0mW: thats what i'm thinking |
| 22:18.15 | prpplague | T0mW: the earlier version of blob is pretty good |
| 22:18.18 | prpplague | T0mW: 1.0.8 |
| 22:18.31 | prpplague | T0mW: so i'm thinking of rippin the sa-1100 parts out |
| 22:18.45 | T0mW | prpplague: there is nothing magical about them, but blob had that code to boot from CF... However, it only would compile against a 2.4 kernel tree |
| 22:19.12 | T0mW | prpplague: it would choke badly against 2.6 |
| 22:19.36 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, we are only using 2.4 |
| 22:19.59 | prpplague | T0mW: and the cf code is only available in the 2.0.x series of blob |
| 22:19.59 | T0mW | prpplague: alright, I've got to get back to vacuuming. I don't do Windows and seldom do "floors" |
| 22:20.07 | prpplague | T0mW: which gets nasty imho |
| 22:20.21 | T0mW | prpplague: let me know of the price on the card, email? |
| 22:20.31 | prpplague | T0mW: ok |
| 22:20.37 | T0mW | done, cul |
| 22:21.18 | sorphin | T0mW: FOAD |
| 22:22.11 | CosmicPenguin | file[laptop]: sort of - just messing around really |
| 22:22.33 | CosmicPenguin | file[laptop]: I want at least a basic level of competence with VoIP |
| 22:22.49 | file[laptop] | join the club! |
| 22:24.01 | prpplague | hehe, i bet i could get this done if i hooked up a few ppl with boards, hehe |
| 22:24.46 | CosmicPenguin | I won't take that bet - most people I know wouldn't touch a bootloader with a 10 foot pole |
| 22:25.18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: really? i thought that level stuff was what most embedded ppl liked |
| 22:25.56 | sorphin | file[laptop]: gonna join the VoIP Security Alliance? :P |
| 22:26.26 | file[laptop] | ha |
| 22:26.54 | CosmicPenguin | Wait - is he being cynical? |
| 22:26.54 | file[laptop] | it'll be awhile till VoIP and Security can be used in the same sentence |
| 22:27.00 | CosmicPenguin | s/cynical/sarcastic/ |
| 22:27.11 | sorphin | file[laptop]: well, such a group just formed, according to /. |
| 22:27.34 | file[laptop] | sorphin: SIP is too easy to manipulate... and RTP, well, it's just audio packets... silly world |
| 22:27.53 | file[laptop] | IAX2 has a nicer approach, but it's still flawed here and there |
| 22:28.16 | sorphin | file[laptop]: i was just pointing out that 'new group' |
| 22:28.32 | file[laptop] | it'll be a while till they do anything |
| 22:28.56 | CosmicPenguin | Holy crap, terminal servers are frickin expensive |
| 22:29.07 | kergoth | yep |
| 22:29.49 | CosmicPenguin | digi can suck it |
| 22:29.56 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:30.12 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: cisco 2511 :P |
| 22:30.27 | kergoth | lantronix or comtrol are probably better bets. hit up ebay |
| 22:30.28 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:33.10 | sorphin | 16 ports |
| 22:34.01 | CosmicPenguin | I don't think the ol' company will aprove an e-bay purchase |
| 22:37.46 | cdm | new head of QNX R&D is from Cisco. |
| 22:40.29 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: are you scared of bootloaders? |
| 22:41.56 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: not scared so much, but I wouldn't play with one for free |
| 22:43.44 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: why not grab a handful of usb->dualrs-232? |
| 22:47.43 | CosmicPenguin | Thats what I think I'm going to do |
| 22:50.01 | CosmicPenguin | I've got a box here doing not much , I can make it into a server pretty easily |
| 22:56.17 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: only thing to remember with the usb->rs232 you can't do any opost processing |
| 22:57.24 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Yeah, I think I'll just get some RS232 pci cards |