| 00:39.30 | jacques | well, how much RAM should an IM client need? :-) |
| 00:40.10 | jacques | for my $99, I still think the tuxscreen was a better deal :-) |
| 00:48.10 | CosmicPenguin | well, duh.... :) |
| 00:48.24 | CosmicPenguin | but the Zipit is interesting for its complete lack of morals |
| 00:50.06 | mallum | is anyone going to lwe in boston ? |
| 00:50.12 | jacques | i wish |
| 00:50.19 | jacques | will work for lwe tickets |
| 00:50.29 | jacques | (plane tickets that is) |
| 00:50.53 | jacques | ironic that now that I have time to go to all these things I don't have the money |
| 00:51.19 | mallum | jacques, out of work ? |
| 00:52.05 | jacques | yeah :-\ |
| 00:52.08 | CosmicPenguin | bah |
| 00:52.11 | CosmicPenguin | save up for OLS |
| 00:52.23 | CosmicPenguin | LW has been over taken by the marketing drones |
| 00:52.25 | jacques | oh I am *not* missing OLS |
| 00:52.33 | jacques | went for first time last year |
| 00:53.03 | CosmicPenguin | I'm going this year |
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| 00:57.41 | TimRiker | jacques: =) well, this has wifi and you can take it with you. =) |
| 00:59.21 | jacques | yeah it does have some interesting hardware features |
| 01:00.19 | jacques | Jeeez! nobody even frickin *tests* gcc for armeb |
| 01:00.24 | jacques | http://www.toolchain.org/testresults/ |
| 01:00.28 | jacques | it's not there |
| 01:01.11 | jacques | and I'm wondering why I'm having toolchain issues |
| 01:01.57 | TimRiker | heh |
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| 16:20.48 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
| 16:54.42 | prpplague | pb_: ping |
| 16:57.13 | pb_ | prpplague: yo |
| 16:59.53 | prpplague | pb_: hey, got a ethics question |
| 17:00.17 | prpplague | pb_: you think rmk would pound me if i respond to a uclinux question on the linux-arm list? |
| 17:01.19 | pb_ | no, I think it'd be fine to respond |
| 17:01.44 | pb_ | he might shout at the original poster for writing to the wrong list in the first place, but now that they've done that I don't think it would be out of order to reply in the same place. |
| 17:02.19 | prpplague | pb_: ok thanks |
| 17:14.02 | prpplague | pb_: guess its a moot point, the mail server at the office is down |
| 17:15.07 | T0mW | prpplague: must be time for the weekly reboot of the Windows server? |
| 17:15.51 | prpplague | T0mW: yea |
| 17:16.03 | prpplague | T0mW: oh well, guess i'll respond monday |
| 17:17.03 | sjhill | g'day all |
| 17:17.13 | prpplague | pb_: lots of ppl asking about running linux/uclinux on those new sets of SoC's with onboard flash and ram |
| 17:17.16 | prpplague | sjhill: hey |
| 17:17.22 | prpplague | sjhill: hows goes it? |
| 17:18.09 | sjhill | pretty good |
| 17:18.15 | sjhill | just doing some nice morning hacking |
| 17:18.18 | pb_ | prpplague: aha |
| 17:18.18 | sjhill | mips stuff |
| 17:19.20 | sjhill | prpplague: why stress? you only need to be prepare for them to immediately walk you off the premises. before i gave notice at TimeSys, i spent the whole week before taking stuff home and bringing stuff back from home so that if they walked me out immediately, i would be ready. |
| 17:20.45 | prpplague | sjhill: mainly because: 1) i like these ppl, there are very nice and 2) its a great job |
| 17:20.58 | prpplague | sjhill: just bad timing i guess |
| 17:21.41 | prpplague | pb_: hehe, suddenly i seem to be answering alot of questions on small systems based on my work on the pixter, hehe |
| 17:22.18 | T0mW | anybody know how well / badly windows XP handles threads? I may need some ammunition to sell a job, and not use windows. |
| 17:25.29 | prpplague | T0mW: i can't speak from first hand knowledge, however from what i heard in the past is that ppl generally have problems with the scheduler when doing threads |
| 17:25.51 | T0mW | because a single thread can hog the machine? |
| 17:26.45 | prpplague | http://www.windowsitpro.com/Windows/Article/ArticleID/302/302.html |
| 17:26.47 | T0mW | I've heard of that happening with Win9x where a thread will bring the system to a near standstill. |
| 17:27.22 | prpplague | T0mW: also, the fact that m$ has some backdoors for their own apps in the scheduler |
| 17:27.40 | T0mW | a client is using a Visual Basic app on their system and when it processes a timer event (in VB) the machine will ignore the keyboard. |
| 17:28.01 | prpplague | T0mW: basically like nice'n their apps |
| 17:28.10 | T0mW | yeah |
| 17:29.37 | prpplague | T0mW: http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-rt8/fig1.gif |
| 17:29.38 | T0mW | I had an app that I developed under Kylix on Linux and it ran fine, it used two threads other than the program thread. It ran fine on linux but when I ported it to Delphi under windows, the thing would hog on some versions of windows. |
| 17:29.51 | prpplague | T0mW: that has nice hard data - http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-rt8/ |
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| 17:32.25 | T0mW | must be a VB thing then |
| 17:32.50 | T0mW | I doubt very highly that I can get a linux PC into that place |
| 17:33.39 | T0mW | They have a bulk purchase agreement w/ MicroSoft that basically says that they will only run MicroSoft O/S or they lose their discount. |
| 17:34.12 | T0mW | prpplague: now, an embedded system would be something else entirely. heh |
| 17:37.21 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe |
| 17:37.37 | prpplague | T0mW: yea i used to run into alot of shops like that when i worked for abcs |
| 17:39.58 | T0mW | prpplague: right now, I am trying to install a small ITX machine in the plant so I can sniff the RS232 conversation between the PLCs and the PC. If I can reverse-engineer the protocol, then I'll see if I can put something together to demo. |
| 17:40.17 | T0mW | prpplague: I'm not sure if that will come off or not. |
| 17:41.43 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe, lovely, jameco will ship to barbados |
| 17:41.50 | prpplague | T0mW: i wonder if digikey will |
| 17:45.12 | prpplague | TimRiker: hey guy |
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| 17:45.21 | prpplague | TimRiker: whats cookin in north big D today? |
| 17:47.14 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah, probably: first it goes to Texas to get loaded on a returning Mexican truck, I then goes overland to Hondoras, from Hondoras some fisherman take it to Barbados (when the fish are schooling near there). |
| 17:47.56 | prpplague | T0mW: naw, to miami and on a plane |
| 17:48.19 | prpplague | T0mW: there are 4 shipping planes a day to/from barbados to miami |
| 17:48.23 | TimRiker | prpplague: ordered be a zipit. ;-) |
| 17:48.34 | prpplague | TimRiker: oh yea? cool |
| 17:48.35 | T0mW | prpplague: oh, the overland route across Mexico is by donkey. |
| 17:49.12 | T0mW | you should get your order in 3..4 months. |
| 17:49.13 | TimRiker | interested in how low they get power when suspended with wifi on or off. |
| 17:52.45 | prpplague | TimRiker: yea, i was thinking that the zipit could have been made with an omap using the dsp for wireless stuff |
| 17:53.19 | TimRiker | prpplague: nod. the chip they used is lower clock speed, but might be lower power too. |
| 17:56.04 | prpplague | TimRiker: yea, i ordered one, but i doubt i'll have much time to hack it |
| 17:56.14 | prpplague | TimRiker: i've been spending most of my time hacking on the pixter |
| 17:56.21 | prpplague | TimRiker: non-work time that is |
| 17:57.35 | TimRiker | too bad the Zipit has no expansion slot. |
| 17:57.44 | prpplague | TimRiker: yea |
| 18:37.21 | sjhill | ~ibot seen benh |
| 18:37.24 | ibot | benh <~benh@147.17.168.202.velocitynet.com.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #handhelds.org, 11h 43m 13s ago, saying: 'good night'. |
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| 21:40.52 | noa | Greetings, this is Darren from the Zipit hacking page at http://www.elkgrovewireless.com/zipit TimRiker told me to swing by and say HI |
| 21:42.18 | TimRiker | hey darren |
| 21:42.31 | TimRiker | prpplague is the one that's been hacking the pixter. |
| 21:43.01 | TimRiker | not been many folks chatting here for about 4 hours. sometimes it's busy. |
| 21:43.30 | TimRiker | did you look at the wiki page? Feel free to add to it. Register using the UserPreferences link. |
| 21:44.00 | noa | I just took a look thanks, only update I had is that the post with all the details was from a guy who goes by ZipitPet. Not sure I made the update correctly, but thanks |
| 21:44.17 | noa | Is there a page with details on the pixter hack... always thought that was a neat device |
| 21:45.35 | TimRiker | start here: http://elinux.org/wiki/Pixter |
| 21:48.47 | noa | Good stuff, thanks |
| 22:20.09 | TimRiker | leaving for a bit. |
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