| 00:53.18 | T0mW | <sigh> some day, not today, I will learn not to install updates from the cooker! |
| 00:54.28 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:01.36 | T0mW | newt requires that I use perl-base-5.8.6, so I loaded that from cooker. It broke vi |
| 01:01.45 | T0mW | well, vim |
| 01:01.58 | T0mW | HTF do you break vi? |
| 01:05.17 | T0mW | at least vim-minimal still works |
| 01:08.17 | T`|Heli | break vim! |
| 01:23.23 | Russ | anyone know much about the vma nopage stuff and friends? |
| 01:24.57 | T0mW | well, if I'm to break my system, I might as well do a really good job of it |
| 01:25.01 | T0mW | rpm -qa | grep perl | sed 's:-[0-9].*::' | xargs -ithis urpmi this |
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| 01:30.04 | CosmicPenguin | Evening |
| 01:33.47 | T0mW | yeah |
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| 01:53.54 | prpplague | poof |
| 01:54.05 | prpplague | elinux has been infected with the plague |
| 02:02.02 | prpplague | andersee: hows biz? |
| 02:02.25 | prpplague | andersee: you would have a had a good laugh today |
| 02:02.47 | prpplague | andersee: my boss asked why i thought busybox-0.60.3 was out of date |
| 02:17.27 | andersee | prpplague: heheheh |
| 02:18.43 | prpplague | andersee: gotta look into why some of the bb-1.00 stable applets don't compile for arm tomorrow |
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| 02:24.10 | prpplague | oops wrong X |
| 02:24.14 | prpplague | hate it when that happens |
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| 02:26.53 | prpplague | kergoth_: yo |
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| 02:30.38 | prpplague | do uclinux ppl just not hang on irc? |
| 03:11.32 | T0mW | prpplague: well, after all, they have a perfectly good listserver... |
| 03:12.48 | prpplague | T0mW: oh? the ucdot.org list? |
| 03:15.56 | T0mW | https://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/listinfo/uclinux-dev |
| 03:18.08 | kergoth | i love mailing lists, but they arent a replacement for irc |
| 03:18.16 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:18.46 | T0mW | prpplague: also checkout Erwin's stuff: http://uclinux.home.at/ |
| 03:18.54 | T0mW | prpplague: he does atmel ARM uclinux |
| 03:19.14 | prpplague | kergoth: yea, i find them good for finding out about what kinda of problems ppl are having |
| 03:19.27 | prpplague | kergoth: but nothing beats the interaction of irc imho |
| 03:19.59 | prpplague | its sooo odd being in uncharted territory |
| 03:20.55 | T0mW | prpplague: heh, yeah, those were the early daze of uClinux |
| 03:21.02 | prpplague | T0mW: thats right, i forgot you did some uclinux stuff |
| 03:21.43 | T0mW | prpplague: there are some good people on the list |
| 03:21.53 | prpplague | Russ: is all of your code lost? |
| 03:22.07 | prpplague | Russ: i really wanted to look at that jtag-mtd driver |
| 03:37.10 | prpplague | T0mW: i'm beginning to wonder about putting a full fledged os on the pixter |
| 03:37.30 | T0mW | yeah |
| 03:37.55 | T0mW | I've been struggling with fscking chinese fonts borking my build |
| 03:38.10 | prpplague | T0mW: or atleast something like uclinux |
| 03:38.43 | T0mW | prpplague: uClinux is quite invasive as to the changes you have to do to the kernel |
| 03:39.01 | T0mW | prpplague: it's not like you edit a head.S someplace |
| 03:39.25 | T0mW | that may have changed in the past three years... |
| 03:40.51 | prpplague | T0mW: yea i'm not sure either |
| 03:42.07 | prpplague | T0mW: i have to assume that mattel will eventually add more flash and ram to their devices using the lh75411 |
| 03:46.24 | T0mW | prpplague: linux-2.6.8/arch/m68knommu/ |
| 03:46.56 | T0mW | prpplague: nothing has changed in three years, it is still a lot of invasive changes |
| 03:47.34 | prpplague | T0mW: i'm wondering if i should write a small linux-like os for arm7 |
| 03:47.49 | prpplague | T0mW: be good for learning OS |
| 03:48.04 | T0mW | heh |
| 03:52.39 | prpplague | well the arm7tdmi part is already done |
| 03:52.49 | T0mW | prpplague: your best bet is Erwin's uClinux pages. I see that his uClinux stuff was not incorporated into the 2.6 kernel. |
| 03:52.49 | prpplague | its the drivers that would need tweaking |
| 03:53.28 | prpplague | T0mW: that the url you gave me earlier? |
| 03:53.37 | T0mW | people at Lineo were very territorial about uClinux, I know. |
| 03:53.51 | T0mW | uClinux is still very closely held |
| 03:54.03 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah, uclinux.home.at |
| 03:54.16 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, i noticed that about uclinux |
| 03:54.26 | T0mW | prpplague: Erwin is a good guy, he should be helpfull |
| 03:54.50 | prpplague | T0mW: i've got alot of the hardware planned and tested |
| 03:55.02 | prpplague | T0mW: deciding where to go on the software is the problem now |
| 03:55.21 | T0mW | well |
| 03:56.37 | prpplague | T0mW: still wish i could convince a few ppl to jump on board |
| 03:57.20 | T0mW | prpplague: your basic uClinux system consists of a crt0.S to start the processor, then memory layout, then interrupt handlers. |
| 03:58.11 | T0mW | prpplague: basically, you have to custom write all your hardware interfaces. Luckily, stuff like the romfs, scheduler, timer, etc. was incorporated into 2.6 |
| 03:58.32 | T0mW | prpplague: you have to learn to use printk |
| 03:58.33 | T0mW | heh |
| 03:59.28 | prpplague | T0mW: oh, me and printk are best buds |
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| 04:00.39 | prpplague | T0mW: i think i'm gonna order one of those revely boards to do some testing with |
| 04:00.52 | prpplague | T0mW: i ordered some ram chips today as well |
| 04:01.17 | prpplague | T0mW: gonna replace the onboard ram with a 1MB chip |
| 04:01.57 | prpplague | T0mW: either that or stick the ram on the external connector |
| 04:02.48 | prpplague | T0mW: also, i think what Cosmic and i discussed today was to swap the chip selects for the onboard rom with one of the chips selects on the external connector |
| 04:02.59 | prpplague | T0mW: that way i can boot from the external flash |
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| 04:05.06 | T0mW | prpplague: swapping the connector pin sounds like a good idea |
| 04:07.53 | T0mW | prpplague: it looks as if they isolated the files that need to be changed within the linux/arch dir. You could take the m68knommu tree and build your 75xxx tree using that as a template? |
| 04:08.13 | prpplague | T0mW: there is a arm7tdmi tree |
| 04:08.18 | T0mW | where |
| 04:08.19 | T0mW | ? |
| 04:09.23 | cdm | yeah, the samsung guy has one. |
| 04:09.25 | cdm | it totally sucks. |
| 04:09.53 | prpplague | T0mW: andersee gave me the link |
| 04:10.00 | prpplague | T0mW: let me see if i can find it |
| 04:10.38 | T0mW | ah |
| 04:10.40 | cdm | look up samsung uclinux armnommu |
| 04:10.53 | cdm | but I warn ya, he really has no clue what he is doing. |
| 04:11.00 | T0mW | ~google samsung uclinux armnommu |
| 04:11.15 | prpplague | cdm: uhh, and how would that differ from me? |
| 04:11.16 | prpplague | hehe |
| 04:12.52 | cdm | prpplague, he has dangerous and totally incorrect changes to the kernel. |
| 04:13.04 | cdm | which is why no one will accept his patch set into the main kernel tree. ;) |
| 04:13.08 | prpplague | cdm: ahh |
| 04:13.11 | cdm | unlike say the m68knommu guys. |
| 04:13.22 | prpplague | cdm: well i'm sure my hacks are probably not worth either |
| 04:13.28 | prpplague | T0mW: oh oh oh |
| 04:13.36 | prpplague | T0mW: i think i've found something |
| 04:13.44 | prpplague | T0mW: i think i can hack the pixter camera |
| 04:13.58 | T0mW | camera? |
| 04:14.12 | prpplague | T0mW: sorry haven't added it to the wiki yet |
| 04:14.37 | T0mW | fuxking chinese fonts |
| 04:14.37 | prpplague | T0mW: http://www.fisher-price.com/us/pixter/product.asp?id=30933 |
| 04:15.05 | prpplague | T0mW: http://besttoys.net/pixcolsysbyf.html |
| 04:15.29 | prpplague | T0mW: looks like it has 256KB ram and 1MB flash |
| 04:15.41 | T0mW | I've spent two hours trying to keep the chinese fonts out of the build. I guess I'll know more about locales than I've ever wanted to. :( |
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| 12:10.31 | pb_ | ~lart kergoth |
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| 13:11.40 | jacques | morning pb_ |
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| 13:46.50 | pb_ | hi jacques |
| 14:17.31 | CosmicAtHome | Holy crap, they have a 6 in the morning now? |
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| 14:32.33 | chouimat | morning |
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| 14:56.46 | sorphin | pb_: wotcher |
| 14:57.48 | Cosmic_Meetings | Damn my boss - he told me to go to this managers meeting, and now he's not here |
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| 14:58.00 | Cosmic_Meetings | So now i'm gonnna walk in and have everyone look at me like I'm lost |
| 14:59.24 | Cosmic_Meetings | Oh, well, thats the breaks |
| 14:59.26 | prpplague | what the hell is the command for ibot to read messages? i never can remember |
| 15:00.16 | prpplague | http://www.business2.com/b2/web/articles/0,17863,1015019,00.html?promoid |
| 15:00.21 | prpplague | anyone read that? |
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| 15:02.07 | pb_ | g'day sorphin |
| 15:02.14 | prpplague | pb_: morning |
| 15:02.19 | pb_ | hey plague |
| 15:02.19 | chouimat | hi prpplague |
| 15:02.55 | prpplague | chouimat: morning |
| 15:18.39 | sorphin | prpplague: moin hillbilly |
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| 15:26.40 | prpplague | sjhill: morning crack baby |
| 15:26.42 | prpplague | sorphin: hey |
| 15:28.00 | sorphin | prpplague: whats up today in the big D? |
| 15:28.14 | sjhill | hey prpplague |
| 15:28.16 | sjhill | lo' sorphin |
| 15:29.09 | prpplague | sorphin: nada, just building a new rootfs for the m-7100 |
| 15:29.18 | prpplague | sorphin: their old rootfs had serious bit rot |
| 15:30.26 | sorphin | sjhill: lo |
| 15:30.31 | sorphin | prpplague: nod |
| 15:35.45 | kergoth_ | morning |
| 15:36.58 | prpplague | i think when i can afford it, i'm gonna have to purchase a couple pixters to give to ppl to get some help, hehe |
| 15:37.04 | prpplague | kergoth_: hey |
| 15:37.10 | prpplague | kergoth_: things any better today? |
| 15:38.02 | kergoth_ | ask me again when i'm conscious |
| 15:38.15 | prpplague | andersee: you've got some experience looking at device "firmware" any recommendations on hacking the pixter ROM ? |
| 15:38.21 | prpplague | kergoth_: hehe will do |
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| 15:40.30 | sjhill | kergoth_: partied to hard last night, eh? |
| 15:40.44 | kergoth_ | not really, no |
| 15:41.00 | kergoth_ | but this whole "waking up in the morning" thing.. |
| 15:41.00 | kergoth_ | :) |
| 15:41.04 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:41.15 | sjhill | ah mornings...yeah they suck....i got into work 2-1/2 hours late this morning |
| 15:41.38 | sorphin | sjhill: you musta been too busy having a MIPSdream again :P |
| 15:42.00 | sjhill | i was standing in the kitchen at 5:30am staring at the stove for about 5 minutes in a zone...i felt it wise to return to bed for more sleep |
| 15:42.17 | sjhill | i wish |
| 15:42.20 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:45.46 | sorphin | prpplague: found a nice E. TX girl for kergoth here.. heh |
| 15:46.00 | kergoth_ | oh fuck that |
| 15:46.03 | kergoth_ | :) |
| 15:46.11 | sjhill | yeah, women and family take from hacking |
| 15:46.20 | sorphin | kergoth_: http://meetme.hotornot.com/r/?emid=NMKMSSS |
| 15:46.21 | sjhill | make the choice and stick with one or the other |
| 15:47.01 | kergoth_ | heh, i date, but thats about it. never seems to end up long term. which works for me |
| 15:47.09 | sorphin | sjhill: right now, i wish i could do just that |
| 15:47.20 | sorphin | kergoth_: err.. since when? |
| 15:47.28 | sjhill | sorphin: you still have time to bolt |
| 15:47.45 | sjhill | she's made of coffee!!!??? |
| 15:47.46 | kergoth_ | month or two |
| 15:47.57 | sorphin | sjhill: this wedding arrangement shit is getting on my nerves, this house finding shit is getting on my nerves |
| 15:47.59 | kergoth_ | sjhill: heh, naw, last one i told sorphin about was a barista at starbucks |
| 15:48.08 | sjhill | ah |
| 15:48.21 | kergoth_ | sorphin: buying a house eh.. very good |
| 15:48.27 | sjhill | sorphin: yeah, it's a pretty stressful time.... |
| 15:48.28 | kergoth_ | equity is a Good Thing |
| 15:48.43 | chouimat | sorphin: RELAX |
| 15:48.43 | sjhill | sorphin: i eventually said, "you decide, i'm happy with whatever." |
| 15:48.52 | sorphin | kergoth_: yeah and haivng to keep looking at houses, because your fiancee can't settle |
| 15:48.57 | sjhill | it is HER day afterall |
| 15:48.58 | sorphin | is not a "good thing" |
| 15:49.15 | sorphin | sjhill: well, if i'm having to pay for whatever is decided.. |
| 15:49.31 | sorphin | chouimat: relax, coming from you? :P |
| 15:49.39 | sjhill | "Looking at houses, because your fiancee can't settle...priceless...for everything else there's...therapy." |
| 15:49.56 | sorphin | sjhill: actually, i heard there's a bullet to the head :P |
| 15:50.08 | chouimat | sorphin: I'm currently looking at my current situation as an unscheduled sabbatical :) |
| 15:50.09 | sjhill | yeah, we came to that agreement too |
| 15:50.23 | sorphin | chouimat: ah |
| 15:50.37 | sjhill | seriously, "There is no such thing as divorce. Only a murder-suicide." that's our motto...works well |
| 15:50.50 | chouimat | sorphin: got some time to learn some german and dutch |
| 15:50.52 | sorphin | sjhill: considering i'll be footing most of the house payment, since i have the higher income and credit score |
| 15:50.56 | kergoth_ | sjhill: hah |
| 15:51.08 | sjhill | heh |
| 15:51.30 | sorphin | chouimat: don't yo ustill have to master english 1st? *duck* (j/k) |
| 15:52.00 | chouimat | sorphin: shaddap you |
| 15:52.25 | chouimat | sorphin: I have to master french ... since I failed the written exam for Quebec gov |
| 15:52.30 | sorphin | chouimat: :) |
| 15:52.33 | sorphin | chouimat: ROTFL |
| 15:52.38 | sorphin | you failed your native language? |
| 15:53.17 | chouimat | sorphin: yup ... french is fucking hard to write |
| 15:53.45 | sorphin | chouimat: Vous êtes un tel débile. |
| 15:53.55 | sjhill | LOL |
| 15:54.11 | sorphin | :) |
| 15:54.16 | chouimat | sorphin: merci |
| 15:54.20 | sorphin | hehe |
| 15:55.24 | sorphin | sjhill: i'm surprised your wife hasn't shot you yet, tbch |
| 15:55.25 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:01.34 | sorphin | prpplague: DMCA i'm sure :P |
| 16:01.51 | prpplague | sorphin: ya think? |
| 16:02.23 | prpplague | sorphin: even if i'm not posting code for their rom, just showing how to make thirdpty carts? |
| 16:04.05 | chouimat | wow |
| 16:04.07 | sorphin | prpplague: not like the DMCA hasn't been abused before for things that weren't actually a bad thing/crime. heh |
| 16:04.27 | prpplague | sorphin: agreed |
| 16:04.48 | sorphin | prpplague: course, i'd ask a lawyer, just to be safe, hopefully it wouldn't happen |
| 16:04.49 | prpplague | sorphin: oh, ya know what, i just realized, hehe, no dmca in barbados |
| 16:04.55 | sorphin | and they'd be supportive, like sharp |
| 16:05.08 | sorphin | nod |
| 16:05.50 | sorphin | ;) |
| 16:07.17 | sorphin | sjhill_afk: sicko |
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| 17:30.35 | CosmicPenguin | careful - the people he works with could easily do the job |
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| 17:43.02 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: and ? |
| 17:43.13 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: you act like i'm not serious :P |
| 17:47.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: there really needs to be a micro os for these new SoC's |
| 17:47.17 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: agreed |
| 17:47.27 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: you checked out RTEMS in much detail? |
| 17:48.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: no, just looking at stuff now |
| 18:01.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: guess i really need to grasp the software side of things before planning for an os |
| 18:06.07 | CosmicPenguin | well, I'm afraid to begin with, its just gonna be yoou and your assembler... :) |
| 18:07.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 18:07.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: no idea why i'm doing it |
| 18:07.39 | CosmicPenguin | because its there |
| 18:07.47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: other than for my education and the fact that mattel is planning more devices |
| 18:09.30 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea well i can run c apps now |
| 18:09.39 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: gcc compiles apps fine |
| 18:09.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm able to compile and jtag it to ram |
| 18:19.36 | sorphin | heh |
| 18:19.40 | sorphin | prpplague: progress |
| 18:22.38 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: nice |
| 18:23.09 | prpplague | yea, i just can't decide if uclinux is the way to go |
| 18:23.17 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: well, you could always sort of start working on your own sort of thing |
| 18:23.36 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: if you can see the timer tick, then you can schedule against it... :) |
| 18:24.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, well i've never done that level of os programming before |
| 18:25.26 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: its fun to play, to see how things work |
| 18:25.48 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: http://www.netrino.com/Books/EmbeddedC/examples.html |
| 18:25.48 | kergoth_ | hm, strlcpy and strlcat are nice, its too bad linux doesnt have them |
| 18:25.49 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: but in reality, if you want to start running apps against it, you're going to need something with a syscall interface and all that jazz |
| 18:26.08 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea |
| 18:26.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i was looking at pogoshell for gba |
| 18:27.06 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: thats cool |
| 18:27.13 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: what graphical engine does it use? |
| 18:27.17 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: or does it roll its own? |
| 18:27.25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: pogoshell? no idea |
| 18:27.35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm sure its a roll your own |
| 18:29.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, you really forget how nice the OSS community is until your doing something totally on your own |
| 18:29.55 | CosmicPenguin | ooh, yeah |
| 18:30.17 | prpplague | hehe, even on other person is a big help |
| 18:30.24 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: like when i was working on the jtag stuff |
| 18:30.35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: just sharing info with T0mW was a big help |
| 18:31.16 | CosmicPenguin | *nod* |
| 18:31.31 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm kinda thinking a good thirdpty developer cart might be something sellable |
| 18:32.17 | CosmicPenguin | yeah - moderately |
| 18:32.26 | CosmicPenguin | at least it would be good karma |
| 18:32.39 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:33.20 | T0mW | wonder why I need "devfs=nomount" to boot a BOOT kernel? |
| 18:35.16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: too bad picogui is defunct |
| 18:35.42 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: no doubt |
| 18:35.58 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: you would need mad art skills to bring MW up to snuff |
| 18:37.15 | kergoth_ | there's always rasters stuff |
| 18:37.23 | kergoth_ | not sure if there's a decent widget set on top of it or not |
| 18:37.24 | prpplague | kergoth_: rasters stuff? |
| 18:37.29 | kergoth_ | yes, the c17 core libs |
| 18:37.33 | kergoth_ | evas, eet, etc |
| 18:37.45 | kergoth_ | evas is a generic canvas library, supports writing to the framebuffer, x, whatever |
| 18:37.50 | kergoth_ | er, e17 |
| 18:37.52 | prpplague | ahh |
| 18:37.54 | kergoth_ | god, i cant type today |
| 18:38.03 | CosmicPenguin | its cool looking stuff, but I'm not sure how much of it is hackable by mere mortal |
| 18:38.05 | CosmicPenguin | s |
| 18:38.10 | kergoth_ | that would be the question |
| 18:38.19 | kergoth_ | emte appears to be trying, and he's definately mortal. i wonder how he's doing |
| 18:38.57 | kergoth_ | hehe |
| 18:39.12 | prpplague | there are several version of all Unix for arm7tdmi |
| 18:40.31 | chouimat | http://webpages.charter.net/mattman7/mini.jpg |
| 18:40.55 | prpplague | kergoth_ / CosmicPenguin i don't pretend to be on the level of andersee or greg ungerer, but it might be fun to try |
| 18:41.36 | prpplague | with all these new chips comming out with 64k ram and 256k flash, seems reasonable |
| 18:43.17 | prpplague | andersee: you know, that little article on linuxdevices you commented on the new round of atmel chips |
| 18:45.23 | prpplague | With 64KB internal RAM, that is definitely large enough to do something useful. As for the internal flash -- it might be feasible to run a very very stripped down linux kernel with 256KB flash, but very little else. I've run uClinux systems with only 1MB of RAM and 1MB flash. Much less, and it is terribly hard to do anything useful. |
| 18:45.48 | prpplague | quote from andersee on linuxdevices |
| 18:47.07 | prpplague | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8553053411.html |
| 18:48.47 | CosmicPenguin | Total brainfart - isn't there a utility that dissects ELF binaries - I'm interested in looking at the d_tag entries |
| 18:49.19 | kergoth_ | you mean like readelf or objdump? |
| 18:49.40 | CosmicPenguin | readelf... :) |
| 18:49.49 | CosmicPenguin | told you it was a brainfart |
| 18:49.56 | kergoth_ | :) |
| 18:51.01 | CosmicPenguin | I'm trying to figure out why we occassionally get an inconsistancy assertion with ld.so |
| 18:51.14 | CosmicPenguin | And it turns out that its because the DT_RPATH (0xF) tag is not null |
| 18:51.22 | kergoth_ | ah |
| 18:51.52 | CosmicPenguin | But the cause is beyond me, but I guess next time it happens, I'll readelf all my binaries and see who the culprit is |
| 18:52.35 | CosmicPenguin | It usually happens when II do something to the glibc build - it seems to have a requirement to make it through all the way without me interrupting it |
| 18:56.41 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: seems someone using the nick/name dwight is already working on this |
| 18:57.05 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: on the pixter? |
| 18:57.13 | prpplague | anyone know who this dwight is? seems to be on good terms with alan cox |
| 18:57.35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: no, unix style system for the 64k/256k SoC |
| 18:57.53 | CosmicPenguin | no ideas |
| 18:58.58 | prpplague | http://linuxdevices.com/cgi-bin/board/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=talkbacks&Post=368 |
| 19:01.58 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 19:02.02 | CosmicPenguin | thats as vague as vague can be |
| 19:03.45 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:03.54 | CosmicPenguin | dammit |
| 19:05.29 | prpplague | andersee: don't suppose you know who this "dwight" guy is? |
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| 19:30.21 | prpplague | hehe maybe i should just use UZI |
| 19:49.25 | andersee | prpplague: no idea |
| 19:50.14 | andersee | prpplague: I've visited atmel in france one time. Didn't meet anyone named dwight though. |
| 19:52.11 | prpplague | andersee: dont think he works for atmel |
| 19:52.34 | prpplague | andersee: i was thinking about contacting steven hosgood about OMU |
| 19:52.54 | prpplague | andersee: sounds like that would be perfect for the small resources of those SoC's |
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| 20:00.38 | prpplague | crap |
| 20:02.08 | prpplague | T0mW: http://tallyho.bc.nu/~steve/omu.html |
| 20:03.10 | T0mW | prpplague: that looks like an ADM-3 terminal |
| 20:04.24 | T0mW | prpplague: oh no, you can try as hard as you want, but you ain't sucking me into some hair-brained mini-unix project. ;) |
| 20:05.42 | T0mW | chouimat: snowing. |
| 20:05.43 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe |
| 20:27.45 | CosmicPenguin | T0mW: heh - been hitting the wacky tobacky? |
| 20:28.25 | T0mW | naw, just some MacBaron's Navy Flake |
| 20:28.39 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: this is the kind of OS/hardware dev i've always dreamed about doing |
| 20:29.04 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: welcome to paradise |
| 20:29.07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 20:29.17 | CosmicPenguin | T0mW: I just figured, since you had the Munchies |
| 20:29.28 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: just don't know which items to choose |
| 20:29.56 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: heh, yeah, I need a custom distro that sets up the computers for the KFC store computers that I maintain. |
| 20:30.11 | CosmicPenguin | nice |
| 20:30.37 | T0mW | I have one to replace and two to upgrade, it takes me about 6..10hours to build the box up. |
| 20:30.53 | T0mW | all that configuration drives me nuts |
| 20:32.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the arm7tdmi cores and those SoC's seem perfect for a rebirth of uzi or omu |
| 20:33.18 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: nod |
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| 20:37.28 | T0mW | anyone know how many /dev systems there are? devfs and udev only? |
| 20:37.49 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah, those are the two big ones |
| 20:38.10 | CosmicPenguin | there might be other startup projects similar to udev, but nothing with a whole lot of mass |
| 20:39.07 | T0mW | ok, cannot quite figure out why I need devfs=nomount for the boot kernel. AFAICT, it appears that the installer is assuming devfs. My perl is not quite *that* good, these guys are good at perl!!! |
| 20:39.28 | T0mW | er, object perl |
| 20:50.22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: o' freakin wow |
| 20:50.42 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: vendor is coming by tomorrow with oled display |
| 20:55.52 | CosmicPenguin | wow |
| 20:55.55 | CosmicPenguin | you get to keep it, right? |
| 20:56.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: don't know |
| 20:56.22 | prpplague | hehe |
| 20:57.04 | T0mW | prpplague: you're gonna miss this stuff when you leave |
| 20:58.05 | prpplague | T0mW: i'll still do my hacking |
| 20:59.15 | CosmicPenguin | great, I'm about to get killed |
| 21:02.06 | pb_ | ! |
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| 23:53.07 | CosmicPenguin | A good rule of thumb is that if a burger needs a comma in its calorie count, it?s virtually impossible to fit into a healthy diet |
| 23:55.55 | chouimat|ibook | CosmicPenguin: ROFTL |
