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| 00:23.27 | nictuku | hi! |
| 00:23.45 | nictuku | oh this is nice, "post-sale linux installs" is on-topic here. |
| 00:26.17 | kergoth | of embedded devices, yes |
| 00:26.35 | CosmicPenguin | yeah - post installing linux on a opteon doesn't count |
| 00:26.44 | CosmicPenguin | but good on you for buying the Opteron - thats what I always say |
| 00:27.04 | nictuku | is there a cheaper alternative to using PC-based box to sell a task-specific server? I was considering a small box with simpler/cheaper mobo and periphereals, that has two network interfaces. can you give me some ideas? |
| 00:28.52 | CosmicPenguin | You want to stick with x86, or use a different processor? |
| 00:29.18 | nictuku | I don't care much. It doesn't need to be fast, also. |
| 00:29.48 | prpplague | nictuku: probably need to qualify "fast" |
| 00:29.54 | nictuku | my only restriction is that I don't know nothing about eletronics and C coding, so I can't make my own embedded box. |
| 00:29.57 | nictuku | hmm |
| 00:30.24 | prpplague | nictuku: uh thats gonna be a _big_ restriction |
| 00:32.00 | nictuku | well yet you guys could give me some advice, even though. I believe the word is not embedded linux, I am thinking of "simplistic hardware running linux". That's kind of related to embedded?! |
| 00:33.25 | prpplague | nictuku: theory is that you have to have a pretty good understanding of how a normal linux system works in order to remove unnessary items for your particulare project to become embedded |
| 00:34.17 | nictuku | I have some understanding of the system, and willing to understand much further, if necessary. |
| 00:35.20 | CosmicPenguin | I think the most important thing is determining your definition of "fast" |
| 00:35.20 | nictuku | do you know if there are hardware like that for sale? I know some companies make and sale routers that actually are just linux in simplistic hardware. |
| 00:35.32 | kergoth | http://www.linuxdevices.com/ |
| 00:35.34 | kergoth | is your friend |
| 00:37.09 | nictuku | ok, paralelling with x86, a p II 233 mhz would be fine for my needs. |
| 00:37.11 | nictuku | thanks kergoth. |
| 00:37.32 | CosmicPenguin | Not my friend - Leherbham has been reduced recently to posting news about Windows boxes with the tag line "But can we run linux on it" |
| 00:38.49 | nictuku | "Little Linux systems for projects and products" seems promising |
| 00:39.41 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin:eep |
| 00:40.39 | nictuku | do you guys have any experience with any of these? http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT2016997232.html or maybe suggest another source? |
| 00:41.33 | nictuku | :( |
| 00:41.53 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:42.26 | CosmicPenguin | nictuku: no - not at you - the first entry on that list is amusing |
| 00:42.26 | nictuku | ah ok :) |
| 00:42.26 | CosmicPenguin | Seesh - the openbrick is still on there? That went out of business a long time ago |
| 00:42.33 | nictuku | I'll be right back... |
| 00:42.43 | nictuku | thank you! |
| 00:43.00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, that is amusing |
| 00:43.28 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: and dammit, I want some support with that |
| 00:43.54 | prpplague | hehe |
| 00:44.11 | prpplague | that seems ages ago |
| 00:44.36 | prpplague | x86 seems so archaic compared to ARM these days |
| 00:44.52 | kergoth | indeed |
| 00:45.03 | kergoth | it doesnt just _seem_ that way :) |
| 00:45.21 | CosmicPenguin | you guys can speak for yourselves on that one |
| 00:45.23 | prpplague | kergoth: hehe |
| 00:45.26 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:45.35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you see i got jtag up and working on the pixter last night |
| 00:45.51 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yeah, I saw that |
| 00:48.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: it has two bubble chips i've got to identify still |
| 00:48.26 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: and start doing some schematics |
| 00:48.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: probably take me a year to do it all |
| 00:48.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: but oh well |
| 00:48.45 | CosmicPenguin | its the journey, not the destination |
| 00:48.47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: won;t have much embedded stuff to do in barbados |
| 00:49.15 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: allow me to get this out of my system |
| 00:49.22 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: YOU"RE GONNA BE IN THE FREAKIN' BARBADOS |
| 00:49.22 | kergoth | heh, moving to barbados. that's pretty cool |
| 00:49.27 | kergoth | haha |
| 00:49.28 | CosmicPenguin | thank you |
| 00:49.29 | prpplague | hehe |
| 00:49.44 | kergoth | shit, i need to buy xmas presents for my family in mn |
| 00:49.46 | prpplague | still gotta pay the bills, and keep up with things |
| 00:49.47 | kergoth | running out of time |
| 00:49.59 | prpplague | kergoth: yea, i took off today to get that stuff done |
| 00:50.08 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: How you gonna be payin' the bills in Barbados? |
| 00:50.17 | kergoth | try to type xmas and my fingers keep wanting to type xmms |
| 00:50.19 | kergoth | heh. |
| 00:50.36 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, thats the fun part, i've hit up about 15 of the abcsinc customer down there that can't seem to get abcs support |
| 00:50.47 | CosmicPenguin | sweet |
| 00:50.59 | CosmicPenguin | See, the x86 is pullin' you back already |
| 00:51.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: each one is gonna pay me the the US equiv of $1000.00 a month to help fix their issues |
| 00:51.26 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: how much you need to have a nice life down there? Whats the average salary? |
| 00:51.29 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, sorta, but they want to implement a full line of price checkers and handhelds |
| 00:51.56 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: take home of about $2500 US per month lives large |
| 00:52.20 | CosmicPenguin | wow - nice |
| 00:52.20 | kergoth | heh, damn |
| 00:52.20 | kergoth | cool |
| 00:52.38 | CosmicPenguin | of course, you still need the extra bucks to buy all the toys and have them shipped... :) |
| 00:52.56 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, but i can get that done pretty easy with my brother in the states |
| 00:53.28 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, i could still go to work for c&w |
| 00:53.40 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: do a little pic hacking |
| 00:54.01 | CosmicPenguin | There you go |
| 00:54.19 | prpplague | bbiaf, LOST is coming on :) |
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| 01:17.59 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
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| 01:39.36 | nictuku | I believe the front page in http://eLinux.org/ was wiki-defaced. |
| 01:47.45 | CosmicPenguin | indeed it was |
| 01:50.51 | nictuku | isnt this too expensive? http://www.intrinsyc.com/products/cerfcube/ |
| 01:51.13 | nictuku | CerfCube 255 for Linux |
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| 02:07.21 | CosmicPenguin | if it wasn't for this embedded image, I would be booting Redhat over and over again, and I would have had to shoot myself |
| 02:08.38 | CosmicPenguin | dammit - they took down bugzilla |
| 02:08.46 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:08.54 | CosmicPenguin | come back - I've got updates! |
| 02:09.17 | CosmicPenguin | I suppose thats a sign that I should go home |
| 02:21.43 | nictuku | hmm what's oe? |
| 02:22.01 | nictuku | ok ok openembedded |
| 02:31.52 | prpplague | nictuku: and yes the cerfcube is extremely overpriced |
| 02:34.13 | nictuku | thanks |
| 02:37.36 | prpplague | nictuku: i assume since you said it needs two nics that its some sort of network application? |
| 02:39.59 | prpplague | nictuku: this probably would be a better starting point - http://www.acrosser.com/firewall/product/9925.htm |
| 02:40.14 | nictuku | it is. |
| 02:41.55 | nictuku | the idea started from a pre-configured mail-only server. Now I am thinking about smaller boxes, simplistic. The point is not technical, but "looks". :P |
| 02:42.22 | nictuku | hmm nice |
| 02:42.54 | nictuku | storage is necessary, though. |
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| 02:46.01 | nictuku | hmm 9926 has hdd optional support. |
| 03:02.05 | prpplague | nictuku: actuall so does the 9925, small laptop 2.5" drive |
| 03:04.00 | nictuku | oh |
| 03:15.11 | prpplague | kergoth: looks like the pixter is using the a2d thats onboard for the lh75401 |
| 03:15.29 | prpplague | kergoth: no extra circuitry for the TS |
| 03:15.35 | Soopaman | are you hacking that kids toy? |
| 03:16.14 | Soopaman | heeh |
| 03:16.30 | Soopaman | did you hack furbies when they came out? |
| 03:17.19 | prpplague | Soopaman: no i am more into devices that have higher potential, i.e. handhelds |
| 03:17.39 | Soopaman | you gotta admit that furbies would have been a cool hack |
| 04:12.18 | MonMotha | why does it seem like a requirement that all EE type software has to break every convention in the book? |
| 04:12.42 | MonMotha | both Cadence and Xilinx both insist on putting stuff in the root directory, don't support multiple users, must be installed (and sometimes run) as an administrator |
| 04:12.50 | MonMotha | you'd think for $10 grand they could make it work better |
| 04:35.35 | MonMotha | oh yes, and required restarts |
| 04:50.22 | chouimat|Zzz | night |
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| 04:52.15 | fog_proxy | hi all.i install my uclibc but found there is no files in /include/bits,Is this right? |
| 04:54.45 | fog_proxy | i can't compile busybox-1.0 with uclibc now,pls help |
| 05:08.34 | MonMotha | sweet jesus, multi thousand dollar program and they still feel that they have to put crap on my desktop |
| 05:08.43 | MonMotha | without asking that is |
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