| 00:10.55 | prpplague | sarahemm^SA^: hehe, a bunch |
| 00:11.12 | prpplague | ask and wait for someone to reply |
| 00:11.45 | sarahemm^SA^ | okies :) |
| 00:12.27 | sarahemm^SA^ | is there anything more recent prebuilt and known working than the 0.6 jffs image on tuxscreen.net? i've tried the buildroot but get a ton of flash errors whenever accessing the JFFS2 partition... with the image, it partially works but the kernel faults whenever i access the PCMCIA slots |
| 00:13.10 | jacques | I'm prtty sure the answer to that question is "no" |
| 00:13.23 | sarahemm^SA^ | okies. |
| 00:13.25 | jacques | builroot rotted |
| 00:13.41 | sarahemm^SA^ | is nobody working on the tuxscreen anymore then, and it's died? |
| 00:14.53 | jacques | I'm going to work on them again some day. I just have other toys taking my attention right now. |
| 00:15.24 | sarahemm^SA^ | okie. but nobody's really doing much active devel these days on it? |
| 00:15.38 | sarahemm^SA^ | just want to make sure there's not something off the shelf before i start hacking on it myself |
| 00:16.39 | sarahemm^SA^ | and is it a known issue that PCMCIA doesn't work with the 0.6 jffs? |
| 00:17.17 | jacques | I don't remember those errors |
| 00:17.23 | jacques | you only have one? |
| 00:17.48 | sarahemm^SA^ | one unit you mean? |
| 00:17.53 | jacques | would be useful to see if it behaves the same on two different units |
| 00:18.13 | sarahemm^SA^ | nope, just have one. |
| 00:18.16 | jacques | what are you putting in the pcmcia slots? |
| 00:18.41 | sarahemm^SA^ | well, at boot nothing at all and it segfaults |
| 00:18.49 | sarahemm^SA^ | it keeps booting after that tho |
| 00:18.58 | jacques | it oopses? |
| 00:19.06 | sarahemm^SA^ | err, yeah, sorry. |
| 00:19.17 | jacques | interesting |
| 00:19.22 | jacques | i should dig mine out |
| 00:19.28 | sarahemm^SA^ | in the buildroot i built it at least detects when i insert a 3.3v wifi card, but the flash errors keeep coming up and it crashes eventually |
| 00:19.35 | sarahemm^SA^ | with the 0.6 one, it won't even detect the card |
| 00:19.58 | sarahemm^SA^ | we're rolling out VoIP here so we figured it'd fit in if we could get it up and running and ShanIP it |
| 00:20.20 | jacques | yeah that would be a nice use for it |
| 00:20.50 | sarahemm^SA^ | but i need some kind of network connectivity for that, running VoIP over PPP doesn't sound fun ;) |
| 00:21.41 | sarahemm^SA^ | one other thing, how is the kernel stored in the jffs image itself? |
| 00:22.04 | jacques | how? |
| 00:22.10 | jacques | you mean how can it boot ? |
| 00:22.26 | jacques | how does the bootloader find the kernel when it's in the jffs2 image? |
| 00:23.45 | sarahemm^SA^ | nd where is it stored, in the filesystem itself or some header on the image? |
| 00:24.36 | jacques | IIRC it's just in / or /boot in the jffs2 image, and blob understands jffs2 so it can find it |
| 00:24.42 | sarahemm^SA^ | hmm. cardmgr starting up gives 'card services release does not match' too. prolly not a good sign. |
| 00:24.54 | sarahemm^SA^ | ahh, duh. /boot/linux is probably a vmlinux image? |
| 00:25.05 | jacques | how big is it? :-) |
| 00:25.36 | sarahemm^SA^ | just over 500k.. looks a little small, but oculd be. |
| 00:25.46 | jacques | yeah I'm pretty sure that's it |
| 00:25.55 | jacques | the card services mismatch is usually not a problem |
| 00:25.56 | sarahemm^SA^ | okies. |
| 00:28.41 | sarahemm^SA^ | hmm. |
| 00:28.55 | sarahemm^SA^ | maybe it's not PCMCIA oopsing at all. i just removed the module load lines from linuxrc, and it still oopses at boot |
| 00:30.45 | sarahemm^SA^ | well, i'm certainly stupid. *giggle* |
| 00:30.57 | sarahemm^SA^ | it seems to help if you push the card the ENTIRE way in, not just halfway. ;) |
| 00:31.06 | sarahemm^SA^ | i must have been doing that under one kernel, but not this one, somehow. |
| 00:31.35 | sarahemm^SA^ | it still segfaults as soon as i push the card in, but it detects there's a card there now. |
| 00:33.18 | jacques | it's not a 5V card is it? |
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| 00:35.40 | sarahemm^SA^ | Socket 1: 3.3V 16-bit PC Card function 0: [ready] |
| 00:35.46 | sarahemm^SA^ | i wasn't sure, but it seems not :) |
| 00:36.22 | jacques | that's good |
| 00:36.29 | sarahemm^SA^ | *nods* |
| 00:36.34 | sarahemm^SA^ | i haven't modded mine for 5V PCMCIA |
| 00:37.24 | jacques | have you tried more than one card? |
| 00:37.33 | jacques | I mean other cards? |
| 00:37.53 | sarahemm^SA^ | well, it oopses at bootup without inserting *any* cards, so i assume it's not the cards themself |
| 00:38.01 | sarahemm^SA^ | but no, i haven't. |
| 00:38.14 | sarahemm^SA^ | i think we have another WLAN card in the stack.. lemme tr.y |
| 00:38.58 | sarahemm^SA^ | another one also segfaults, but shows up in cardctl ident the same as the other one |
| 00:39.34 | sarahemm^SA^ | oopses, not segfaults. |
| 00:39.40 | sarahemm^SA^ | i'm usually not this scatterbrained.... |
| 00:40.44 | jacques | it shows as a memory card? |
| 00:41.04 | jacques | that usually means something is not right with pcmcia |
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| 00:41.23 | jcrouse | evening |
| 00:41.26 | sarahemm^SA^ | nope |
| 00:41.29 | sarahemm^SA^ | function: 6 (network) |
| 00:41.42 | sarahemm^SA^ | and has the product info and manfid |
| 00:42.36 | jacques | ok I thought you said it showed up same as the other one |
| 00:42.57 | sarahemm^SA^ | it did.. they're both NICs tho |
| 00:43.35 | jacques | what you pasted above says <sarahemm^SA^> Socket 1: 3.3V 16-bit PC Card function 0: [ready] |
| 00:44.28 | sarahemm^SA^ | *nods* does that indicate it sees it as a memory card? |
| 00:45.17 | jacques | yeah function 0 is memory - but it's also the default and what it says when it's screwed up |
| 00:46.24 | sarahemm^SA^ | woot! |
| 00:46.28 | sarahemm^SA^ | it's working, tho! :)) |
| 00:46.37 | sarahemm^SA^ | 64 bytes from 192.168.0.1 |
| 00:46.55 | sarahemm^SA^ | cardctl ident shows function 6 (network) |
| 00:47.00 | sarahemm^SA^ | for some reason cardctl status shows function 0 |
| 00:47.04 | sarahemm^SA^ | but it works.. sortamostly |
| 00:47.33 | jacques | weird |
| 00:47.43 | sarahemm^SA^ | *shrug* |
| 00:47.55 | sarahemm^SA^ | my screen is full of 'undecryptable frame' errors, which is odd, but i can sort that out. |
| 00:48.01 | sarahemm^SA^ | the kernel oopses are more annoying.. |
| 00:48.05 | sarahemm^SA^ | but seem to function anyway |
| 00:48.18 | jacques | what kernel version is it? |
| 00:48.43 | sarahemm^SA^ | ahh. it's generated for any WLAN traffic at all, it seems. |
| 00:48.51 | sarahemm^SA^ | 2.4.18-rmk2-tux1 |
| 00:49.49 | sarahemm^SA^ | is it a safe bet to assume that 2.6.x would break horribly on the Shannon? it does have an arch/arm/x/shannon directory, but... |
| 00:50.54 | jacques | someone was working on it. I'm not sure how far they got |
| 00:51.05 | jacques | when I dig mine out again, that's what I want to run |
| 00:51.15 | sarahemm^SA^ | okay. |
| 00:51.23 | sarahemm^SA^ | now that i know how to make this work, i may mess with 2.6. |
| 00:51.41 | jacques | cool |
| 00:52.37 | sarahemm^SA^ | i'm used to working with embedded gear based on x86 (mostly PC/104ish stuff), with full hardware specs and such.. this is quite different :) |
| 00:53.20 | jacques | heh |
| 00:53.22 | jcrouse | Wow, noisy tonight... :) |
| 00:53.27 | jcrouse | Heh - BusyBox on dslmodem login: |
| 00:54.15 | sarahemm^SA^ | dslmodem? |
| 01:44.50 | jcrouse | sorphin: you around? |
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| 01:54.07 | MonMotha | sarahemm^SA^: when does it oops? |
| 01:54.41 | MonMotha | on bootup that is |
| 01:55.49 | MonMotha | there was a bug in the wheaties init code a while back that I don't know if the patch ever got merged into the distributed tux patch |
| 01:56.49 | MonMotha | http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~martinbv/tuxscreen-spi-irq.patch <-- Patch if it hasn't been applied to the tree already |
| 01:57.55 | MonMotha | if you're using the prebuilt image, it will need the kernel recompiled with that patch applied |
| 01:58.11 | jacques | MonMotha, did you ever do any 2.6 work on the tux ? |
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| 02:00.25 | jacques | maybe it was TimRiker who did it |
| 02:00.52 | sarahemm^SA^ | MonMotha: a bug that would affect pcmcia tho? |
| 02:01.03 | sarahemm^SA^ | ahh okay :) |
| 02:01.06 | sarahemm^SA^ | thanks MonMotha |
| 02:01.15 | sarahemm^SA^ | there's also a PCMCIA issue because it oopses whenever i insert or remove a card |
| 02:01.19 | sarahemm^SA^ | but then continues okay :) |
| 02:01.23 | sarahemm^SA^ | i'm going to mess with 2.6 for a bit i think |
| 02:02.31 | MonMotha | jacques: no, I didn't do any 2.6 stuff |
| 02:03.04 | MonMotha | sarahemm^SA^: ah, this is a fatal oops that will only happen on bootup |
| 02:03.04 | MonMotha | and it won't even do it every time |
| 02:03.33 | jacques | hi TimRiker :-) did you ever try 2.6 kernel on the tux ? |
| 02:03.35 | TimRiker | sarahemm^SA^: tux? |
| 02:03.37 | MonMotha | TimRiker: sarahemm^SA^'s Tux is oopsing |
| 02:03.42 | TimRiker | jacques: nope. |
| 02:04.02 | TimRiker | sarahemm^SA^: that last released image has the bb insmod/modprobe issue. |
| 02:04.13 | jacques | sarahemm^SA^ is using 0.6 image I think - not related to the 2.6 question |
| 02:04.38 | TimRiker | I should get a new image up with the current stuf, but I haven't. TinyX is broken so new images would currently not have X included. |
| 02:04.54 | TimRiker | yeah, 0.6 has the issue. |
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| 02:05.49 | sarahemm^SA^ | TimRiker: ahhh. wait a sec. so pcmcia support is trying to load a module when i insert/remove the card, using modprobe, and crashing it? |
| 02:06.29 | TimRiker | sarahemm^SA^: yeah, modprobe is crashing. if you insmod the module(s) and then insert the card it'll work. |
| 02:06.54 | sarahemm^SA^ | yeah, that's the thing, it *does* work fine :) |
| 02:06.55 | MonMotha | TimRiker: what's currently wrong with TinyX? |
| 02:06.57 | sarahemm^SA^ | heh. |
| 02:07.10 | TimRiker | you'll still likely see the crash msg when modprobe runs but the modules will already be loaded so the card will work. |
| 02:07.10 | sarahemm^SA^ | alrightie, thanks much. |
| 02:07.23 | jacques | I spent a few hours on trying to get tinyx working again a while back and it was just bizarre. |
| 02:07.25 | TimRiker | np |
| 02:07.29 | sarahemm^SA^ | TimRiker: exactly. that's what i did, and it *does* work fine. it's just annoying :) |
| 02:07.36 | TimRiker | jacques: as have I. a few times now. |
| 02:08.13 | TimRiker | sarahemm^SA^: nod. it's just been more annoying to not have X, so I have not uploaded images with modprobe fixed. |
| 02:08.38 | sarahemm^SA^ | okay. |
| 02:08.50 | TimRiker | feel free to fix X. ;-) |
| 02:08.58 | sarahemm^SA^ | hey, i'll hack at it for a bit. |
| 02:09.03 | sarahemm^SA^ | i'm going to look at 2.6 now, actually. |
| 02:09.05 | sarahemm^SA^ | we'll see how that goes. |
| 02:10.39 | MonMotha | TimRiker: what's currently wrong with X? Is it related to TinyX only (which I thought was now obsolete, but that was something like 10th hand information), or is whatever X we're using (I assume still XFree86) just not liking the Shannon right now? |
| 02:11.28 | sarahemm^SA^ | 0.6 uses full X with rxvt, iirc |
| 02:11.29 | jcrouse | kergoth: do we have an OE target for the shannon? |
| 02:11.33 | sarahemm^SA^ | at least, it has it |
| 02:12.15 | jacques | MonMotha, that strange thing it, the X source has not changed - tux buildroot was still downloading the exact same source file |
| 02:12.24 | jacques | and the timy.mk had not changed |
| 02:12.28 | jacques | tinyx.mk |
| 02:12.37 | jacques | X just stopped compiling in a very strange way |
| 02:12.48 | MonMotha | jacques: so on the surface, nothing relevant changed, but X broke? |
| 02:12.49 | MonMotha | weird |
| 02:13.11 | jacques | well uclibc changed, but it wasn;t anything nearly obvious |
| 02:13.12 | kergoth | jcrouse: no hardware, never bothered adding a kernel or anything. doubt itd take much to get it going. |
| 02:13.14 | MonMotha | too bad I'm *really* not an X person :) |
| 02:14.57 | prpplague | yea wouldn;t take much to add the shannon to OE |
| 02:15.24 | prpplague | need to fix that |
| 02:15.30 | MonMotha | damn, 9:15, I should go get dinner |
| 02:16.09 | sarahemm^SA^ | OE? |
| 02:16.23 | sarahemm^SA^ | prpplague: life support board = JTAG adapter? |
| 02:16.23 | jacques | ibot, oe |
| 02:16.24 | ibot | well, oe is OpenEmbedded (see http://www.openembedded.org ), or "Opportunistic Encryption" (see http://www.wavesec.org ), or an email client which is not to be spoken of. |
| 02:16.54 | sarahemm^SA^ | heh coolies |
| 02:17.22 | prpplague | sarahemm^SA^: hehe, a board that provides i/o for the core tuxboard |
| 02:17.29 | prpplague | sarahemm^SA^: jsut what i call it |
| 02:17.43 | jacques | I call it the daughterboard |
| 02:17.55 | sarahemm^SA^ | ahh, okay. |
| 02:17.59 | prpplague | jacques: yea, but thats no fun |
| 02:18.25 | prpplague | sarahemm^SA^: something similiar to this http://www.cyberiansoftware.com/TuxScreen/StrongARM-perf.html |
| 02:18.40 | prpplague | sarahemm^SA^: but i built mine before T0mW did his |
| 02:21.42 | jacques | cool someone added a usb port to the tux (slave) |
| 02:22.08 | MonMotha | jacques: yeah, shouldn't be too tough |
| 02:22.20 | sarahemm^SA^ | hh. |
| 02:22.20 | MonMotha | the pins are brought to that unpopulated IO header |
| 02:23.18 | MonMotha | I'd thought about doing it until I got my ethernet card then decided not to bother |
| 02:23.51 | jacques | yeah with two pcmcia slots |
| 02:24.11 | MonMotha | yeah, you can have both a CF in a PCMCIA adapter for extra storage AND a network card of some kind |
| 02:24.12 | jacques | i have pcmcia network cards for mine too - they work great |
| 02:24.23 | MonMotha | yup, I use one of the Netgear FA311s |
| 02:24.24 | sarahemm^SA^ | 115200 gets feeling slow pretty quickly.... |
| 02:24.34 | sarahemm^SA^ | most seem to be 3.3v, so it's easier |
| 02:24.43 | sarahemm^SA^ | at least, all the PRISM2s we have around are 3.3v |
| 02:25.05 | MonMotha | of course, I left my FA311 at home it seems |
| 02:25.29 | jacques | oh yeah? well I have FA411's! |
| 02:25.57 | MonMotha | taht may be what it is, I don't remember |
| 02:26.23 | MonMotha | it's a Netgear dual voltage (well, it says 5V but runs on 3.3V at least) 10/100 NE2000 based card with a built in RJ-45 |
| 02:26.24 | prpplague | jcrouse: hey, just found digikey has dip versions of the 74AHC541 |
| 02:26.39 | prpplague | jcrouse: hehe, means i can builds some holly-gates dongles |
| 02:27.17 | jacques | MonMotha, must be the 411's because the 311's are pci cards |
| 02:27.50 | MonMotha | guess so then |
| 02:28.22 | jacques | (I just looked on the netgear site - I didn't remember) |
| 02:28.25 | MonMotha | well, I'll see if I can find some time over or after break to resurrect my tuxscreen |
| 02:28.34 | MonMotha | it's been dormant for a while |
| 02:28.38 | MonMotha | I think it still boots though |
| 02:28.48 | MonMotha | I've only had to JTAG it once :) |
| 02:28.50 | jacques | so have mine but I would like to play with them again |
| 02:29.09 | MonMotha | I've also got these webpals I need to do something with |
| 02:29.11 | prpplague | MonMotha: ohhh, you don't have the pleasure of working with jtag? |
| 02:29.13 | jcrouse | prpplague: excellent |
| 02:29.27 | jacques | yeah I don;t even wanna say how many webpals I have (they were soo cheap!) |
| 02:29.41 | MonMotha | jacques: I had 4, gave one to a friend |
| 02:29.50 | MonMotha | prpplague: not on a daily basis, no |
| 02:29.56 | prpplague | jacques: hehe, yea, i bought like 120 and used about 100 for a client |
| 02:29.57 | MonMotha | I've used it once on my Tux, that's it |
| 02:30.06 | prpplague | jacques: hehe leaving me with a ton left over |
| 02:30.10 | MonMotha | prpplague: what did you use them for, dare I ask? |
| 02:30.16 | prpplague | MonMotha: POS |
| 02:30.20 | MonMotha | ah, good idea |
| 02:30.30 | prpplague | MonMotha: thin client |
| 02:30.42 | prpplague | MonMotha: made a killing on them |
| 02:30.43 | jacques | prpplague, WOW I don;t have nearly that many - more like 8-10 |
| 02:30.46 | MonMotha | they're fast enough to be acceptable even as a thin client? |
| 02:30.57 | MonMotha | I'll have to tinker around with that then...could be fun |
| 02:31.04 | prpplague | MonMotha: packaged them with a cash drawer, lcd, cash slip printer, and a barcode scanner |
| 02:31.21 | MonMotha | do we have the TV out working? Looks like it should be pretty simple: just give the TV encoder a compatible signal and turn it on |
| 02:31.26 | prpplague | MonMotha: my cost was about $400 for everything, sold them for right at $1800 |
| 02:31.31 | MonMotha | prpplague: nice |
| 02:32.22 | jacques | jeez :-) |
| 02:32.28 | MonMotha | what kind of POS software did they run? or were they just clients to a fancier server? |
| 02:32.39 | jacques | biab |
| 02:32.40 | prpplague | MonMotha: just clients |
| 02:32.49 | prpplague | MonMotha: connecting via ssh to a server |
| 02:32.54 | MonMotha | prpplague: X with pretty pictures or xterm ssh? |
| 02:32.54 | MonMotha | ah |
| 02:32.56 | prpplague | MonMotha: running a ncurses app |
| 02:33.05 | prpplague | MonMotha: naw just console |
| 02:33.17 | MonMotha | oh, I didn't know they could do a console :) |
| 02:33.44 | MonMotha | well, I'll have to play around with these things |
| 02:33.50 | MonMotha | a pity you don't have a working BLOB for them |
| 02:34.41 | prpplague | MonMotha: yea, when i get time, gonna try and ressurect it |
| 02:34.52 | MonMotha | prpplague: well, that would be very cool |
| 02:34.56 | MonMotha | let me know if you'd like some help |
| 02:35.10 | prpplague | MonMotha: will do |
| 02:35.24 | MonMotha | do you have an email address for me? |
| 02:35.33 | MonMotha | (though hell, I'm in here 99% of the time) |
| 02:35.40 | prpplague | dave123_aml@yahoo.com |
| 02:35.46 | MonMotha | k |
| 02:35.51 | MonMotha | I'm monmotha@indy.rr.com |
| 02:35.58 | prpplague | MonMotha: haven't gotten around to setting up my email at aml yet |
| 02:36.12 | MonMotha | k |
| 02:36.34 | MonMotha | well, I think I'm going to go grab some dinner |
| 02:36.42 | MonMotha | at this point I'll be going to Waffle House... |
| 02:36.53 | prpplague | MonMotha: hehe |
| 02:37.14 | MonMotha | well, IHOP in this town I guess |
| 02:37.16 | MonMotha | anwyay, later |
| 02:37.49 | prpplague | MonMotha: later |
| 02:37.59 | TimRiker | jacques: the compiler got updated. that's what broken tinyx |
| 02:41.13 | prpplague | TimRiker: evening tim |
| 02:41.19 | TimRiker | moin |
| 02:41.33 | prpplague | TimRiker: whats cookin? |
| 02:41.47 | TimRiker | rmk was bugging me about 2.6 shannon. he wanted to rip out the code that's in there now. |
| 02:41.56 | prpplague | hehe |
| 02:42.06 | TimRiker | under 2.6 we should be able to submit all the patches and run without a shannon patch. |
| 02:42.13 | prpplague | yea, i know rmk is big on keep only supported items |
| 02:42.27 | TimRiker | the 2.4 stuff had some kernel input layer mods for the keyboard that rmk wanted to wait on. |
| 02:43.04 | TimRiker | so it's all about having time. |
| 02:43.17 | prpplague | TimRiker: you still tinkering with the OSK? |
| 02:43.21 | TimRiker | working on a new bzflag release at the moment. |
| 02:43.25 | prpplague | ahh |
| 02:43.38 | TimRiker | last work has been with XIP on the 1510 innovator. |
| 02:43.39 | prpplague | making slow progress |
| 02:43.52 | TimRiker | how much was the lh? |
| 02:48.51 | jacques | TimRiker, aah really? very interesting |
| 02:50.18 | jacques | did someone say new bzflag?? |
| 02:50.29 | jacques | must... resist... |
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| 02:58.54 | prpplague | jacques: resistance is futile |
| 03:00.46 | jacques | heh :-( |
| 03:01.24 | kergoth | ugh, i'm likely going to end up rewriting the file deletion / whitelist handling in unionfs. |
| 03:01.36 | kergoth | er |
| 03:01.38 | kergoth | s/whitelist/whiteout/ |
| 03:02.46 | prpplague | kergoth: yikes |
| 03:02.59 | jacques | I can't watch "bring it on" without rolling on the floor laughing |
| 03:03.00 | prpplague | kergoth: due to that bug you found? |
| 03:03.18 | kergoth | well, i found a few bugs with regard to it |
| 03:03.24 | kergoth | i dont like the way it was implemented |
| 03:03.29 | chouimat | http://softgun.sourceforge.net/ |
| 03:03.34 | kergoth | plus there's the serious bug in it |
| 03:03.37 | prpplague | jacques: hehe, yea, cheerleading around texas is big |
| 03:04.26 | jacques | prpplague, anything remotely related to football is big there |
| 03:04.29 | prpplague | chouimat: yea well, i'd avoid netsilicon crap |
| 03:04.47 | kergoth | yes, avoid netsilicon crap indeed |
| 03:11.54 | prpplague | what the heck is the RD_nWR line on sa1110? |
| 03:17.36 | sarahemm^SA^ | Read-not-write, likely |
| 03:18.02 | prpplague | sarahemm^SA^: odd i've not seen that line before |
| 03:18.24 | sarahemm^SA^ | *shrug* i know little about the SA on that level |
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| 03:59.07 | jcrouse | chouimat: quit that |
| 03:59.34 | chouimat | jcrouse: quit what? |
| 03:59.55 | jcrouse | that |
| 03:59.59 | jcrouse | right there... :) |
| 04:00.03 | chouimat | jcrouse: wireless problem tonight |
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| 04:33.12 | sarahemm^SA^ | heh |
| 04:33.19 | sarahemm^SA^ | 2.6.9 doesn't even compile for shannon out of the box |
| 04:33.43 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:37.23 | MonMotha | oh, don't make me get my tux out... |
| 04:38.02 | sarahemm^SA^ | hehe |
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| 05:05.24 | sarahemm^SA^ | woot. compiling.... |
| 05:35.57 | jcrouse | Ok, if anyone is awake |
| 05:36.39 | jcrouse | Machine 192.168.0.10 is sending web traffic to 1.2.3.4, which is translating that to 192.168.0.1 on the internal network |
| 05:37.02 | jcrouse | So why is the response from 192.168.0.1 not being recieved by 192.168.0.10? Is it because its waiting for something from 1.2.3.4? |
| 05:37.17 | sarahemm^SA^ | very likely. |
| 05:37.29 | sarahemm^SA^ | is it not translating both ways? |
| 05:37.32 | jcrouse | Well, that just plain sucks rocks |
| 05:37.46 | sarahemm^SA^ | well, it should translate both ways.. what device is NATTing? |
| 05:37.52 | jcrouse | Its not translating back because 192.168.0.1 and .10 are on the same netowkr |
| 05:37.57 | sarahemm^SA^ | ahh. |
| 05:38.01 | sarahemm^SA^ | well, it needs to :) what device? |
| 05:38.15 | jcrouse | The bottom line is that I need to set up an internal DNS server, apparently |
| 05:38.16 | jcrouse | suck |
| 05:38.35 | sarahemm^SA^ | oh... okay. |
| 05:38.37 | sarahemm^SA^ | *confuzzled* |
| 05:46.20 | sarahemm^SA^ | nyone here familiar with working with jffs2 images? |
| 05:47.33 | jacques | what about them? |
| 05:52.31 | sarahemm^SA^ | how do i write one back out to an image file after mounting it using the RAM device with /dev/mtdblock/0 ? |
| 05:52.42 | sarahemm^SA^ | if i dd it back out it ends up exactly 4Mb |
| 05:52.45 | sarahemm^SA^ | MB rather |
| 05:53.31 | jacques | you are trying to generate a jffs2 image? |
| 05:55.52 | MonMotha | jeesh, this XviD had better look good when it's done...it's going at <10fps, then it's a 3 pass encode |
| 05:56.27 | jacques | three pass? what you using? |
| 05:57.03 | sarahemm^SA^ | jacques: well, i'm trying to modify an existing one |
| 05:57.20 | sarahemm^SA^ | i mounted it, changed it, now i want to write that back to an image. |
| 05:57.33 | MonMotha | jacques: transcode |
| 05:57.45 | jacques | sarahemm^SA^, use mkfs.jffs2 to create it |
| 05:58.09 | sarahemm^SA^ | hh, ok. |
| 05:58.10 | jacques | MonMotha, any front end? I use dvd::rip, but it only does up to two pass |
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| 05:58.24 | MonMotha | jacques: this is nuvexport; I'm grabbing a movie I recorded off TV |
| 05:59.05 | sarahemm^SA^ | woo, mythtv :) |
| 05:59.06 | MonMotha | exporting it from 2.4Mbit CBR DivX to 1Mbit VBR XviD |
| 05:59.14 | MonMotha | I'm curious how well it will turn out |
| 05:59.32 | MonMotha | yes, I have a reasonably sized mythtv stup |
| 05:59.33 | MonMotha | setup |
| 05:59.40 | MonMotha | gunna add a PCHDTV 3000 to it I think |
| 05:59.51 | MonMotha | may need another HDD then too |
| 06:00.31 | jacques | coool |
| 06:01.01 | sarahemm^SA^ | we've got one backend (1.7ghz celeron, 12gb drive) nd 3 frontends... |
| 06:01.03 | MonMotha | I really should be reviewing my DISCO material for the final on Tuesday |
| 06:02.01 | MonMotha | I currently have 4 people each running their own frontend talking to my backend which is a 1GHz PIII with two hard drives totaling 130GB (in an LVM) |
| 06:02.10 | MonMotha | er 112GB total |
| 06:22.02 | sarahemm^SA^ | yeppers, mkfs.jffs2 seems to be working much better. |
| 06:22.08 | sarahemm^SA^ | just seems a weird way to do it. oh well :o) |
| 06:28.47 | sarahemm^SA^ | woohoo! |
| 06:28.57 | sarahemm^SA^ | what kind of dance does a tiny engineer do anyway? |
| 06:29.09 | kergoth | :) |
| 06:32.17 | sarahemm^SA^ | alrightie.. sleepies time. |
| 06:32.18 | sarahemm^SA^ | nini all |
| 06:32.27 | sarahemm^SA^ | i'm sure i'll be back as a regular channel now :) |
| 06:32.32 | sarahemm^SA^ | nifty channel! |
| 06:34.37 | jcrouse | kergoth: the engineers dance is from Dilbert - imagine the worst possible dance from the whitest possible person |
| 06:34.40 | jcrouse | thats an engineers dance |
| 06:35.46 | kergoth | aha |
| 06:36.02 | MonMotha | gah, mythbusters has gone to hell |
| 06:36.09 | MonMotha | they just totally thew the scientific method to the wind |
| 06:36.15 | jacques | no more good myths to bust? |
| 06:36.21 | jacques | oh :-\ |
| 06:36.25 | MonMotha | no, they just did a good one |
| 06:36.31 | jacques | probably trying to reach a wider audience |
| 06:36.32 | MonMotha | but they screwed up the procedure |
| 06:36.38 | MonMotha | changed a variable they shouldn't have |
| 06:37.36 | MonMotha | since I'm more inclined to trust the professor I had for fluid sciences than these guys... |
| 06:37.51 | jcrouse | Which one are you watching? |
| 06:38.40 | MonMotha | boom lift catapult and a/c vs. windows down fuel economy |
| 06:39.15 | jcrouse | And which one are you angry aboug? The fuel economy? |
| 06:39.15 | jacques | i would think the ac thing would depend on many factors |
| 06:39.23 | jacques | many many |
| 06:39.28 | jacques | many |
| 06:39.41 | jacques | i can think of like ten without even trying |
| 06:40.04 | MonMotha | jacques: yes, and they did two tests, but at different speeds |
| 06:40.18 | MonMotha | and got conflicting results...but they changed speeds |
| 06:40.23 | MonMotha | and drag depends on speed |
| 06:40.33 | jcrouse | To be fair though, they wanted to go at the faster speed |
| 06:41.02 | jcrouse | And I thought, since they were running both experiments at the same conditions, that it was fine |
| 06:41.17 | jacques | vehicle design (aerodynamics), speed, ambient temp, ac design, engine power |
| 06:41.38 | MonMotha | jcrouse: true |
| 06:41.50 | MonMotha | yeah, they also used SUVs |
| 06:41.51 | jacques | which windows were open, where the temp readings where taken in the vehicle |
| 06:42.00 | MonMotha | which at such low speeds, tend to average the same milage no matter what you do |
| 06:42.12 | MonMotha | jacques: they didn't control the temp inside the car at all |
| 06:42.34 | jcrouse | I think they left the AC on |
| 06:42.43 | jcrouse | So the temprature inside the car wouldn't matter |
| 06:42.49 | jacques | any result would be highly vehicle and condition specific |
| 06:42.50 | MonMotha | the AC on car was very cold |
| 06:43.16 | MonMotha | jacques: I've been told that at high speeds (say 70MPH) in still air, it's usually better to run the AC |
| 06:43.46 | MonMotha | depends on the vehicle of course |
| 06:43.55 | jcrouse | But the experiment showed that at lower speeds, it was better to run with the windows open |
| 06:43.55 | jacques | MonMotha, depends how much drag your particular ac exerts on the engine, how efficient your engine is under those conditions |
| 06:44.25 | jacques | I solve that problem by not having AC and running with the top down whenever possible |
| 06:44.46 | MonMotha | jacques: yes, the idea is that for most vehicles at high speeds, it's better to run the AC. Not always true of course |
| 06:45.14 | jacques | with modern vehicles, if I was forced to make a generalization, I would agree |
| 06:45.22 | MonMotha | and yes, the whole concept goes completely out the window for convertables |
| 06:46.24 | MonMotha | this encode is going to take over 20 hours |
| 06:46.41 | MonMotha | it had better look nice |
| 06:46.50 | jacques | you need a faster box :-) |
| 06:46.58 | jacques | maybe something in amd64 |
| 06:47.23 | MonMotha | My next system will be a dual AMD64 |
| 06:47.31 | MonMotha | possibly quad, but not likely |
| 06:47.38 | jacques | my next (when/if I get income) will probably be a socket 939 90nm amd64 |
| 06:47.49 | MonMotha | current system is a 2400+ XP |
| 06:47.54 | MonMotha | 1GB PC2100 |
| 06:48.04 | jacques | right now I'm on a dual xp1800+ |
| 06:48.13 | jacques | same amount / type ram |
| 06:49.41 | MonMotha | I had 1.5GB in it but it didn't quite like that |
| 06:49.52 | MonMotha | caused some very random errors that affected only MythTV |
| 06:52.04 | jacques | that's kinda intersting |
| 06:52.10 | jacques | i wonder what that could be |
| 06:53.21 | MonMotha | I never figured it out |
| 06:53.32 | MonMotha | memtest86 showed random problems on test 6 only |
| 06:53.39 | MonMotha | mostly single bit errors |
| 06:53.48 | jacques | what chipset ? |
| 06:53.53 | MonMotha | KT266A |
| 06:54.30 | jacques | I know some didn't like more than 2 slots filled |
| 06:55.15 | MonMotha | yeah, that's the problem I was having, filling all three slots made it unhappy |
| 06:55.25 | MonMotha | any two slots populated with any 2 DIMMs (I have 4 identical ones) was fine |
| 06:55.44 | MonMotha | that would seem to be more of a board issue unless it was common to all boards using that chipset though.. |
| 06:56.40 | jacques | i remember there were some chipset problems in that era with > 2 dimms when they were run at > some speed |
| 06:57.19 | MonMotha | the KT266A is physically identical to the KT333 I remember, they just found that it would run reliably a the higher speed |
| 06:57.31 | MonMotha | though they may have hand-picked those |
| 06:57.43 | MonMotha | where "hand picked" means QA tested with lots of automated stuff :) |
| 06:57.47 | jacques | i think I have a kt333 board |
| 06:57.55 | jacques | not in use right now tho |
| 07:00.12 | sorphin | evening jacques and monmotha |
| 07:00.22 | jacques | howdy sorphin |
| 07:01.14 | kergoth | hey sorphin |
| 07:01.51 | sorphin | kergoth: lo chris |
| 07:02.03 | sorphin | man, lotta talk today from that sarahemm person |
| 07:02.06 | kergoth | how goes it? |
| 07:02.13 | sorphin | kergoth: goes |
| 07:02.15 | sorphin | you? |
| 07:02.49 | kergoth | heh, same. not bad. sucks that monday is here once again |
| 07:02.59 | sorphin | kergoth: yup |
| 07:05.30 | sorphin | clear |
| 07:05.49 | kergoth | yeh |
| 07:05.53 | kergoth | er, heh |
| 07:08.21 | MonMotha | Eh, this Monday isn't too bad...it's the Tuesday |
| 07:08.29 | MonMotha | I have an 6:00-10:00PM final |
| 07:09.14 | sorphin | MonMotha: DCT :P |
| 07:10.17 | jacques | 5000? |
| 07:10.20 | MonMotha | sorphin: I'll take it back home with me and see if I can find some time |
| 07:10.29 | jacques | :-) |
| 07:10.33 | MonMotha | I also have this EZ-USB daughterboard to design |
| 07:10.38 | sorphin | jacques: i was prodding him to actually work on it :P |
| 07:10.44 | sorphin | MonMotha: uh huh |
| 07:10.45 | jacques | ooh I'll help |
| 07:10.59 | MonMotha | heh |
| 07:11.03 | sorphin | :) |
| 07:11.08 | MonMotha | big thing at this point is to get a kernel booting on it |
| 07:11.08 | sorphin | jacques: hows the miata? |
| 07:11.14 | sorphin | MonMotha: right |
| 07:11.17 | MonMotha | I'm really not experienced with that stuff |
| 07:11.24 | MonMotha | I don't mind writing drivers though |
| 07:11.37 | MonMotha | unfortunatley we don't have much in the way of specs |
| 07:11.42 | jacques | miata is rather bored these days - it's cold here an until recently rather rainy |
| 07:12.40 | sorphin | MonMotha: and can't get them.. the guy i contacted via tim's recommendation can't help.. they disassembled the rom themselves, and anything else is NDA |
| 07:12.47 | sorphin | jacques: nod |
| 07:13.19 | MonMotha | sorphin: fun fun fun |
| 07:13.58 | sorphin | MonMotha: i know someone that could help, but he's hard to find since i don't do tivo stuff anymore :P |
| 07:14.11 | sorphin | actually 2 people |
| 07:14.14 | fishhead | mon |
| 07:14.18 | fishhead | do you have a webpal ? |
| 07:16.27 | MonMotha | sorphin: well, some of the devices are pretty standard and we can probably get specd |
| 07:16.35 | MonMotha | ethernet controller, the southbridge thingie |
| 07:16.41 | sorphin | nod |
| 07:16.54 | MonMotha | IEEE1394 I'm not sure of...haven't looked to see if it's supported already or not |
| 07:17.16 | sorphin | well, we'll worry about devices once we even get a vanilla kernel to run |
| 07:17.18 | MonMotha | the overview sheet says it supports all sorts of DRM stuff, so it may not be supported |
| 07:17.20 | MonMotha | exactly |
| 07:17.44 | sorphin | i don't have the means to mess w/ that rom tho |
| 07:17.44 | MonMotha | as I said, I'm not big on getting the vanilla kernel to run, but I'll give it a shot |
| 07:18.02 | MonMotha | sorphin: I believe there was a way to get it to chainload stuff from flash, and we can JTAG that |
| 07:18.11 | sorphin | MonMotha: yeah |
| 07:18.20 | MonMotha | or there's a flash equivilent to the mask rom that's in there already, which I can probably find a device around here to program |
| 07:18.26 | sorphin | the question is how |
| 07:23.50 | MonMotha | gah, TBS is taking a perfectly good show and ruining it. Gilligan's Island is NOT a reality show... |
| 07:27.48 | fishhead | mon |
| 07:27.49 | fishhead | not true |
| 07:28.00 | fishhead | there were other changes in > KT266 |
| 07:28.12 | fishhead | I have plenty of tech friends who noticed the stability changes even at same speeds |
| 07:28.22 | fishhead | mon yeah that's beyond gay |
| 07:28.32 | fishhead | about as gay as the partridge family remake |
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| 09:41.34 | MonMotha | dammit |
| 09:41.52 | MonMotha | the encode worked great (I could probably drop the bitrate a bit even), but I didn't realize I hadn't caught all the commercials |
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