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03:19.14kergothhmm.
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04:38.27kergothhey sorphin
04:40.58sorphinkergoth: sup
04:43.55kergothsorphin: not much.  its looking like i may qualify for disability pay continuance
04:44.00kergothso might get paid for this leave i took
04:44.03kergothwhich would be sweet
04:45.50sorphingood
04:45.59sorphinbtw, saw ladder 49
04:46.00sorphintwas good
04:46.08kergothcool
04:47.18sorphinkergoth: how long you out for?
04:48.31kergothsorphin: dont know exactly, the current plan of attack is for me to start work monday 4 hours a day, from home, to get a feel for whether or not its fixed
04:48.37kergoththen the next week, go to part time in the office
04:48.41kergoththen go full time after that
04:49.28kergothneed to call my boss on monday and let him know
04:49.37kergothand call the nurse and check on the pay thing
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06:19.32sorphinT0mW: sup old geezer
06:19.47T0mW:P
06:20.45sorphinwell? :P
06:20.52T0mWbitchin' about rpm repositories, this package is not in that repository, that repository claims to have it but its' hdlist.cz is out of date...
06:20.53T0mW:(
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06:21.06sorphinahh
06:21.08sorphinoops
06:21.19sorphinT0mW: completed 1st week at the new gig
06:22.02T0mWI've had it, I'm going to assemble my own repository for this stuff, go out and manually download the packages that are missing and then put them into MY repository!
06:22.42T0mWsorphin: you gonna stay there?
06:23.17sorphinT0mW: most likely.. and kinda have to when i'm on probation
06:23.18sorphin:P
06:24.33T0mWyeah
06:24.53T0mWWell, VIA still hasn't gotten their act together with the C3 processor.
06:25.31sorphinit's just ex Cyrix crap
06:25.33sorphin:P
06:25.42sorphinoh wait
06:26.11sorphinyeah, it's cyrix
06:26.18sorphincuz amd has national's junk
06:26.37T0mWI've got two EPIA C3 800MHz boards here to build up some windoze boxes.  I stuck Mandrake 10 (2.6 kernel) on one and MythTV.  HOURS (!) later, I had stuff compiled, then, when I run myth setup, the thing aborts with "Illegal Instruction", I said "fsck it".
06:27.23T0mWpoor little thing had all it could do to do 40 Frames per Second with glxgears.
06:27.50T0mWit was interesting though.
06:30.03T0mWI've been building up an ITX mythtv box, just to see how cheap I can make one.  cost-wise
06:30.37T0mWbttv vs. hauppauge, C3 vs. Celeron-III, etc.
06:30.48SoopamanTiVo!!
06:30.52Soopaman:D
06:30.54T0mWfaugh
06:31.03T0mW~bitchslap Soopaman
06:31.05ibotACTION beats the sh*t out of Soopaman
06:31.20T0mWSoopaman: MythTV ~
06:31.20Soopamandon't tell me you're another ex-tivo dev
06:31.29T0mWSoopaman: MythTV != TiVo
06:31.50T0mWMythTV is much better!
06:31.50Soopamani know that
06:31.53T0mWok
06:31.54T0mWheh
06:31.56Soopamani don't know about that
06:31.56sorphinSoopaman: there's nothing 'fascinating" about tivo
06:32.12T0mWsorphin: yeah, it costs less than $200
06:32.24sorphinSoopaman: the only 'feature' is it thinking it knows what you want to watch
06:32.34Soopamanyeah, and it doesn't take 80 years to setup
06:32.34T0mWthat is what is "fascinating", it don't do much for $200 though
06:32.36sorphinT0mW: it used to cost $500 when i was involved
06:32.38Soopamanlike myth often does
06:32.54sorphinT0mW: the REASON tivos cost so little now
06:33.03sorphinis they subsidize the HW
06:33.10sorphinyou pay for their "Service"
06:33.33sorphinSoopaman: myth allows you to do what you want
06:33.40sorphina tivo, you have to take what they give you
06:33.45T0mWSoopaman: yeah, I'm collecting some Mandrake RPMs for 0.16 tonight, I want to install Mandrake 10 then "urpmi mythtv-suite" (without Thac's dependancy problems)
06:34.23Soopamansorphin, kinda
06:34.34sorphinSoopaman: uh.. kinda?
06:34.40Soopamanmyth was alright, but i didn't like how clunky it was
06:34.51T0mWSoopaman: getting better thought
06:35.00T0mWs/thought/though/
06:35.04sorphinT0mW: monmotha's myth works great apparently
06:35.13sorphindunno what your failure is :P
06:35.38T0mWSoopaman: I have a 720G video volume, 140+ episodes of StarGate-SG1 so far
06:35.48Soopamancool
06:35.55Soopamanwhat tv card are you using?
06:36.05Soopamansorphin, so are you gonna sell me your s2's?
06:36.28SoopamanT0mW, that's what i'm building right now
06:36.37T0mW:)
06:36.38Soopamantrying to decide on a fs for it
06:36.44T0mWXFS !
06:36.50Soopamanlooks like it will be XFS + sqlite
06:36.52Soopamanheheh
06:36.56T0mWdon't have to fsck when you hard reset!
06:36.57Soopamanso we aren't that far off
06:37.14T0mWrock solid fs so far
06:37.27sorphinSoopaman: S2, not S2s, and proly
06:37.51Soopamansorphin, 5 dolla?
06:37.57sorphinSoopaman: dream on
06:38.00Soopamanlol
06:38.06Soopamani thought you "hated tivo"
06:38.11Soopamanyou lie!!
06:38.28SoopamanT0mW, have you ever tried reiser?
06:38.30sorphinSoopaman: just because i "hate tivo" doesn't mean i'm gonna screw myself by selling you something worth more for $5
06:38.46Soopamansorphin, how much is it worth to you?
06:38.46sorphin~lart soopaman for speaking "Reiser"
06:38.53T0mWSoopaman: yeah, but doing an fsck on 700+Gig takes a looooooooooooooooooooooong time!
06:39.03sorphinno talking about ReiserFS :P
06:39.06sorphinit's a POS
06:39.09Soopamanoh
06:39.23SoopamanT0mW, so is that 3 250gb drives?
06:39.31Soopamanroughly
06:39.33T0mWSoopaman: it takes about 40 seconds to mount the volume with reiser, it only takes a second or two with XFS
06:40.26sorphinT0mW: that's because XFS was designed by competent people and in use long before linux
06:40.36T0mWSoopaman: four actually, of various sizes, I have 820G in the machine, two drives are SATA and the other two are PATA, plus the Plextor 708A
06:40.37sorphinreiser was came up w/ by a whiner
06:40.39sorphin:P
06:40.46T0mWlol
06:41.31sorphinnever lost a byte w/ xfs
06:41.38Soopaman:D
06:41.41T0mWI wonder if I can make my own custom distribution CD?
06:41.41sorphinSoopaman: the "joke"
06:41.51SoopamanT0mW, like a knoppix?
06:41.53sorphinis that Hans Reiser whined at Linus to get Reiser into 2.4
06:42.04Soopamanoh
06:42.16Soopamanis linus the "CEO" of linux
06:42.23sorphinyou couldn't pay me to use reiser again
06:42.29T0mWyeah, but take mandrake and customize the contents of the RPMs and add some more config steps.
06:42.30Soopaman'cause i thought he was playing around with transmeta
06:42.32sorphinSoopaman: you must be joking
06:42.48sorphinSoopaman: go read the history of linux :P
06:42.53Soopamani just don't understand why everyone takes his word as law when it comes to linux
06:43.03sorphinSoopaman: Linux actually stands for Linus' version of Minix :P
06:43.05Soopaman"oh linus said this, linus thinks that"
06:43.10sorphinhe WROTE it
06:43.13sorphininitially
06:43.19T0mWSoopaman: naw, linus is a programmer, he doesn't want to manage anything but code man!
06:43.53sorphinibot: Linus Torvalds?
06:43.54ibot[linus torvalds] from Finland!
06:43.57sorphinheh
06:44.04kergothheh
06:44.05sorphinibot: no snack
06:44.06SoopamanT0mW, figured that much
06:44.06kergoth~linus
06:44.07ibotfrom memory, linus is a man with an amazing vocabulary
06:44.12kergothheh
06:44.14T0mWheh
06:44.17T0mWno shit
06:44.20Soopamanbut everyone seems to hold him as a mythical character
06:44.29Soopamanalmost like kergoth
06:44.30Soopaman:P
06:44.36T0mWkergoth: that boy can really use the english language
06:44.38sorphinSoopaman: uh, and how long have you been in the unix world again?
06:44.41kergotheh?
06:44.50sorphinSoopaman: 2 months?
06:44.51T0mWkergoth: linus
06:44.51sorphin:P
06:44.56Soopamansorphin, long enough to know you're a shithead :D
06:45.05T0mWoooh
06:45.05Soopamanthat was the first thing i learned
06:45.07sorphinSoopaman: you're lucky i'm not an Op still :P
06:45.11Soopamanthen i learnt "ls"
06:45.12Soopamanhahahaha
06:45.13kergothT0mW: yeah, i know, the eh was directed at Soopaman's reference to me
06:45.17T0mWah
06:45.21sorphinSoopaman: or you'd already be +kb
06:45.36sorphinfor life
06:45.36Soopamansorphin, why? i thought we were friends :)
06:45.42sorphinuh
06:45.45sorphinNot Quite.
06:45.48Soopamanwe've had such great witty exchanges
06:46.05sorphinSoopaman: you don't know me well enough to get away w/ calling me a shithead
06:46.20sorphinSoopaman: so go ahead, fly down here.
06:46.27Soopamanwell up here in canada, shithead is taken alot more litely
06:46.32sorphin;)
06:46.51sorphinafter all, i'm almost a convicted felon anyways, might as well have a REAL reason for being one :P
06:46.57Soopamanlet's start all over
06:47.05Soopamanhi my name is ;soop what is yours?
06:47.13Soopamanwhy are you a felon?
06:47.15T0mWshithead
06:47.22sorphinSoopaman: almost one, bozo
06:47.24Soopamanhehehe
06:47.26shitheadheh
06:47.29Soopamanlol
06:47.34sorphinshithead: you're just an old geezer, tom
06:47.40shitheadsomebody call me?
06:47.48Soopamannah, i was talking to sorphin
06:47.52Soopamanheheheheh
06:47.56sorphinibot: pee on shithead
06:47.58ibotACTION pees on shithead
06:48.03Soopamanhahaha
06:48.03sorphin:P
06:48.09sorphinibot: pee on Soopaman
06:48.11ibotACTION pees on Soopaman
06:48.12Soopamanhey
06:48.19Soopamanare you r.kelly?
06:48.21sorphinibot: botsnack
06:48.21ibotthanks, sorphin
06:48.28Soopamanibot: candy
06:48.29ibotfrom memory, candy is a seven years drawn girl who has the emotional capabilities of a 16 years old she-fish and the social skills of a wall
06:48.29sorphinSoopaman: excuse me?
06:48.40Soopamanwtf
06:48.42sorphinhaha
06:48.46sorphinibot: botsnack
06:48.46ibotthanks, sorphin
06:48.57Soopamanibot: sorphin
06:48.58ibothmm... sorphin is sorphin
06:48.58sorphinibot: Soopaman?
06:48.59kergoth~factinfo candy
06:48.59ibotcandy -- created by tifeth <~feth@ip-162-208.evhr.net> at Wed Dec 12 23:32:14 2001 (1025 days); it has been requested 5 times, last by Soopaman, 30s ago.
06:49.13sorphinSoopaman: nice try
06:49.15Soopamanibot: t0mw
06:49.21sorphinit won't find that
06:49.25Soopamanoh
06:49.29sorphin~TomW
06:49.30ibotwell, tomw is at tom@openhardware.net
06:49.32Soopamanibot: kergoth
06:49.33ibotextra, extra, read all about it, kergoth is Chris Larson, an embedded linux guy at Texas Instruments.  Email at kergoth@handhelds.org or clarson@ti.com.  Maintains the OpenZaurus and Openembedded projects.
06:49.39Soopamancool
06:49.45Soopamanibot: soopaman
06:49.47sorphinSoopaman: T0mW was TomW
06:49.50TomWibot: T0mW is at tom@openhardware.net
06:49.51ibotokay, TomW
06:49.57TomW~T0mW
06:49.58ibothmm... t0mw is at tom@openhardware.net
06:50.13sorphinibot: Soopaman is just some weird Canadian freak eh?
06:50.14ibotokay, sorphin
06:50.23sorphin~soopaman
06:50.24ibotsoopaman is, like, just some weird Canadian freak eh?
06:50.30Soopamandang
06:50.32sorphinibot: snack
06:50.33ibotACTION snack? yes yeaaas yeaaaaaaaaaaas pleaaase :P
06:50.34Soopamanthat's cold
06:50.46sorphinibot: nuke Soopaman
06:50.50kergoth~emulate kergoth
06:50.52ibotACTION mutters about buildsystems and tells people to RTFM.
06:51.02T0mWheh
06:51.07sorphinwtf happened to nuke
06:51.13sorphinibot: nuke Soopaman
06:51.23sorphin~test
06:51.24ibotPassed
06:51.40sorphin~emulate TomW
06:51.48sorphin~emulate sorphin
06:52.01kergoth~emulate bender
06:52.02ibotBite my shiny, metal ass!
06:52.08sorphinerm
06:52.09Soopamanibot: Soopaman is currently peering through your window with world wind..
06:52.10ibot...but soopaman is already something else...
06:52.10sorphinibot
06:52.15Soopamannuts
06:52.22kergoth~botsnack
06:52.22ibotkergoth: :)
06:52.26sorphinSoopaman: neener neener neener
06:52.35Soopaman~Soopaman
06:52.37ibotyou are, like, just some weird Canadian freak eh?
06:52.40sorphinhahaha
06:52.41Soopamanhahahaha
06:52.53sorphinibot: botsnack
06:52.53ibotaw, gee, sorphin
06:53.04sorphinibot: flip off Soopaman
06:53.18sorphinok, someone's been tampering w/ ibot
06:53.21sorphinnuke's gone
06:53.25sorphinthat don't work
06:53.44sorphin~bitchslap Soopaman
06:53.46ibotACTION beats the sh*t out of Soopaman
06:53.56Soopamansorphin, why don't you setup your tivo's to play with your mythtv boxes?
06:54.08Soopamansame with you T0mW
06:55.04sorphinSoopaman: because the tivos aren't worth it, i don't feel like messing w/ more proprietary hw again
06:55.25T0mWI don't have a TiVo, seems like the guys that have one keep complaining about what they "can't" do with it, so I never got one.
06:55.29Soopamansorphin, even though all the work is already done for you already?
06:56.01sorphinT0mW: correct
06:56.07sorphinSoopaman: uhh
06:56.44Soopamanunfotunately i do...
06:56.45T0mWSoopaman: there is no ethernet on a TiVo, you have to hack it to add one
06:57.00SoopamanT0mW, i use my usb2 adapters
06:57.02sorphinT0mW: and even then
06:57.05sorphinthe ethernet is unstable
06:57.06T0mWpuny drives
06:57.06Soopamanjust curious
06:57.16Soopamannot trying to "convert" you
06:57.17sorphinSoopaman: try forcing "Best" quality video
06:57.18T0mWrestricted program guide
06:57.19sorphinover USB ethernet
06:57.29T0mWheh
06:57.33sorphinSoopaman: i've crashed all tivos i've ever touched
06:57.39sorphinsimply w/ best qual video
06:57.41Soopamansorphin, it works for me
06:57.41sorphinover ether
06:57.55Soopamandid you build your own kernel/drivers?
06:58.00sorphinyes
06:58.32sorphinSoopaman: that's like asking if i use a prebuild DISTRIBUTION kernel on my boxes :P
06:58.43Soopamanhmm.. i ended up backporting most of the usb stuff
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06:59.02Soopamansorphin, i really don't know much about you (aside from you being a jerk to me all the time :) )
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06:59.13sorphinSoopaman: there's a reason for that
06:59.35sorphin~caffeinate T0mW
06:59.37sorphindamn
06:59.42Soopamanoh well
06:59.46Soopamantalk to you guys tommorow
07:00.02Soopamangotta get some sleep so i can watch NFL football all day
07:00.06sorphinSoopaman: i'm only a jerk to people that i don't care to be otherwise to :P
07:00.15sorphincuz they want something
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07:00.21Soopamansorphin, hahaha, you never gave me a chance!
07:00.38sorphinbecause i knew you wanted something :P
07:00.39sorphinhmm
07:00.42Soopamanbut i still like you
07:00.44sorphinlooks like chris is having probs
07:00.51Soopamanhave i ever asked you for something?
07:01.04sorphinand sjhill, well, i'm just a jerk to him, cuz he's one right back
07:01.16sorphinSoopaman: you were gonna :P you wanted to pick my brain about tivo stuff
07:01.31Soopamansorphin, i only asked because you brought itup
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07:01.52sorphinwtf
07:01.52Soopamani figured you wouldn't disclose that to me if you didn't hate it so
07:01.56sorphinhe's having probs
07:02.03Soopamanstrange
07:02.37Soopamansorphin, don't worry i won't ask you anymore for anything
07:02.42sorphinSoopaman: i used to be one of the biggest tivo advocates
07:02.54sorphintill they showed their true colors
07:02.56Soopamanfun talking to you all again tonight
07:03.06Soopamansorphin, i've heard that from soo many
07:03.17Soopamani guess tivo is still a novelty to me..
07:03.22sorphinSoopaman: well, so many people would say it, if it wasn't true
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07:03.39Soopamannite kergoth, sorphin, T0mW`gone
07:03.39sorphinSoopaman: they had such a chance, to get so much from hackers, ideas, etc
07:03.43sorphinkergoth: stay
07:03.44sorphin:P
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07:04.17sorphinkergoth: connectivity probs?
07:04.19kergothheh
07:04.25kergothfucking with my ctrlproxy config
07:04.29kergothdone for now
07:04.36sorphinwtf?
07:04.47kergoth02:03 < kergoth> fucking with my ctrlproxy config
07:04.49kergoth02:03 < kergoth> done for now
07:04.52sorphinno
07:04.59sorphinthe wtf is wtf is ctrlproxy?
07:05.01sorphin:P
07:05.07kergothits an irc proxy.
07:05.12sorphinah
07:05.14sorphinnever used one
07:05.29kergothso i can have clients open at home and work, and they just connect to the one connection to the servers here
07:05.45kergothwhen you connect to it, it'll hand you the backlog even
07:05.50kergothpretty nice
07:06.10kergothnod.  but this way you dont get lag with your typing.
07:06.15kergothonly with the connections
07:06.20kergothsince the client is local
07:06.20sorphinkergoth: i don't get lag
07:06.29sorphin:)
07:06.47kergothi'm happy for you. the rest of us here in the real world occasionally get lag
07:06.53sorphinheh
07:08.28kergothheh
07:09.38sorphinanyways
07:09.57kergothnight
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10:04.53mbufanyone worked with arm kernels?
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16:31.37sorphinheh, "anyone worked with arm kernels?"... i find it amusing to ask that in this channel.. that's like asking if the sky is blue ;)
16:32.38Soopamanmorning sorphin :)
16:36.33sorphinSoopaman: lo
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22:38.52prpplagueho ho ho
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