| 00:04.41 | prpplague | dsaxena: hey deepak, hows things over at MV these days? |
| 00:05.19 | dsaxena | pretty good |
| 00:05.29 | dsaxena | just doing community work these days :) |
| 00:05.47 | prpplague | cool |
| 00:05.55 | prpplague | dsaxena: you make it to OLS this year? |
| 00:06.00 | dsaxena | yep |
| 00:06.14 | dsaxena | wouldn't miss it |
| 00:07.00 | prpplague | dsaxena: cool, i've not been able to attend for the last two years (change in management at work) |
| 00:08.20 | prpplague | dsaxena: btw, this is dave anders, the guy that bought dinner for the ARM ppl at the 2002 OLS |
| 00:09.40 | dsaxena | The Beer guy! |
| 00:09.44 | dsaxena | correct? |
| 00:09.58 | dsaxena | with the ipaq with custom beer-cataloging software |
| 00:10.14 | dsaxena | -ETOOMANY beers @ OLS |
| 00:11.47 | prpplague | dsaxena: yep thats me |
| 00:14.10 | dsaxena | still keeping track of the beers you try? |
| 00:15.13 | prpplague | yea, although its been hard to find new ones in texas these days |
| 00:15.30 | prpplague | http://www.ratebeer.com/ViewUser.asp?UserID=1210 |
| 00:16.44 | dsaxena | i'm thinking of going to Belgium next year for one week beer-drinking tour |
| 00:16.58 | prpplague | dsaxena: that would rock |
| 00:17.46 | prpplague | dsaxena: hehe, linux come a long way since Linux expo we attended in raleigh |
| 00:17.53 | dsaxena | oh yeah |
| 00:18.25 | dsaxena | prpplague: i also moved up to Portland so I can surround myself with good beer :) |
| 00:18.50 | prpplague | dsaxena: cool, portland is nice area, not real fond of seattle though, hehe |
| 00:19.28 | prpplague | dsaxena: what brings you to irc on a friday evening? |
| 00:20.07 | dsaxena | was looking up some stuff on nslu2-linux |
| 00:20.24 | dsaxena | and it's only 5:30 here |
| 00:21.09 | prpplague | dsaxena: ahh, yea, cute little unit, thought about making a small POS device out of it, hehe |
| 00:24.25 | prpplague | later folks |
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| 04:22.34 | Russ | heheh |
| 04:22.39 | Russ | what are we laughing at? |
| 04:24.01 | Russ | dsaxena: wait...ols is in july |
| 04:24.18 | Russ | oh, past tense, tm |
| 04:24.20 | Russ | er, nm |
| 04:30.05 | sorphin | Russ: sup mr dill |
| 04:32.05 | Russ | not much |
| 04:32.17 | Russ | idly thinking about a mips based myth frontend |
| 04:33.39 | Russ | throw in a minipci slot for 802.11g |
| 04:35.07 | sorphin | heh |
| 04:35.27 | sorphin | Russ: it has a spot for a CF slot (tied directly to the IDE tho) |
| 04:37.01 | Russ | I hate cf |
| 04:37.38 | sorphin | Russ: heh, i've never had/used CF |
| 04:37.39 | Russ | btw, I still have a bunch of those doc cards if you have anything with an isa slot |
| 04:37.55 | MonMotha | what's so bad about CF? |
| 04:38.05 | sorphin | Russ: but the IOs have little room, so an HD isn't much of an option for me, and a 16M sandisk won't work |
| 04:38.14 | Russ | not reliable, no access to underlying flash |
| 04:38.25 | sorphin | Russ: may be taking you up on that if i get the 48M DOCs and they work |
| 04:38.39 | sorphin | Russ: how easy is it to implement a DOC into something? |
| 04:39.18 | MonMotha | they do make linear flash CF cards |
| 04:39.22 | MonMotha | though they're ungodly expensive and small |
| 04:40.08 | sorphin | Russ: what would be nice too is if i could access all these damn flash cards (pcmcia) from all old cisco gear, etc |
| 04:40.29 | MonMotha | sorphin: ooooh....do you by chance have any 32MB linear flash PCMCIA cards? |
| 04:40.57 | sorphin | MonMotha: i dunno what my biggest is.. why? |
| 04:41.31 | MonMotha | because I have an application that needs a 32MB linear flash card, but it needs to be a certain type (or at least so it seems), and I'd be willing to buy one if you happen to have one of the right type :) |
| 04:41.46 | sorphin | MonMotha: ahh |
| 04:42.00 | MonMotha | it's a Fujitsu something or other |
| 04:42.19 | sorphin | MonMotha: well, i think my biggest is 16M, tho i have a few of those, and one of them actually shows up as 20M |
| 04:42.19 | MonMotha | I can get the exact part (though I don't think it's written on the card, but it will ID itself as such in the vendor string field if you slap it in a pcmcia slot) |
| 04:42.27 | MonMotha | hum....k |
| 04:42.31 | MonMotha | this needs to be 32MB of course |
| 04:42.56 | sorphin | nod |
| 04:43.06 | sorphin | never ran into bigger than 16M |
| 04:43.15 | MonMotha | heh, I've got a 32MB one, but it's not working |
| 04:43.18 | sorphin | can't use em in anything other than small ciscos |
| 04:43.22 | sorphin | no drivers |
| 04:43.37 | MonMotha | taking the error message at face value, I'd say the timings aren't being met |
| 04:43.50 | MonMotha | however, it may be a "This isn't the card we were expecting, numbnuts, now go home" |
| 04:44.08 | sorphin | nod |
| 04:44.14 | sorphin | MonMotha: this isn't ddr again is it? |
| 04:45.12 | MonMotha | yeah :) |
| 04:45.28 | MonMotha | they use a 32MB flash card to store some extra data |
| 04:45.33 | sorphin | MonMotha: heh, i dunno if i had one then that i'd even contribute to your delinquency |
| 04:45.36 | sorphin | ;) |
| 04:45.40 | MonMotha | the older ones used a 1MB, and solo uses no card, but to upgrade them you need a 32MB card |
| 04:45.56 | sorphin | :P |
| 04:46.10 | sorphin | MonMotha: i prodded samtec for connector sample |
| 04:47.27 | sorphin | i got too many of these cards around |
| 04:48.53 | MonMotha | heh |
| 04:49.02 | MonMotha | well, I can do some DCT work I guess |
| 04:49.08 | MonMotha | I'll bring it here to rose next time I go home |
| 04:49.24 | MonMotha | incidentally, that means that if you need any low level hardware analysis done, I've probably got the tools |
| 04:49.34 | MonMotha | since I have free access to all the EE labs any time I want basically |
| 04:49.39 | sorphin | MonMotha: such as? |
| 04:51.16 | MonMotha | sorphin: 32 channel logic analyzer |
| 04:51.42 | sorphin | MonMotha: fyi, i start new job (crossing fingers) on the 27th, so anything i do is best to do before then |
| 04:51.42 | MonMotha | and hell, a 3GHz spectrum analyzer...though I can't really imagine that being useful unless we get into the digital cable stuff |
| 04:52.16 | MonMotha | hum, well, I won't be going home until (at the earliest) next weekend, but it looks mroe like it will be the weekend of Oct 2-3 |
| 04:52.25 | sorphin | k |
| 04:52.53 | MonMotha | however, I can still get a copy of the bootloader binary and see about how we would get stuff to boot on it, preferably without having to JTAG it |
| 04:53.04 | MonMotha | or at the very least, without replacing the mask ROM |
| 04:53.22 | MonMotha | however, I do also have access to some nice ROM programmers, so I could burn a new ROM if we want |
| 04:53.29 | sorphin | yeah |
| 04:53.35 | MonMotha | yeah, it's on elinux.org |
| 04:53.48 | sorphin | yeah |
| 04:53.50 | MonMotha | I seem to recall someone figured out that it should be possible to at least JTAG something into the flash on the board and have the original ROM boot it |
| 04:54.10 | sorphin | no one mentioned it in the wiki |
| 04:54.25 | sorphin | furthest ken got was where i did and saw the stuff on the serial |
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| 04:54.31 | MonMotha | ah, ok |
| 04:54.35 | sorphin | too bad that guy that was hacking the DCT3k's page is gone |
| 04:54.40 | MonMotha | well, I can run my disassembler over the ROM dump |
| 04:55.08 | sorphin | MonMotha: and we have sjhill's brain (as it were) |
| 04:55.39 | MonMotha | heh |
| 04:55.54 | sorphin | MonMotha: well, it is packed full of MIPS evilness |
| 04:56.06 | MonMotha | yes |
| 04:56.14 | MonMotha | I'm not too bad with MIPS these days |
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| 05:12.04 | sorphin | MonMotha: here's some fun for ya.. the IOpener will take memory up ot 256M, but the sodimms have to have 8 chips (128M parts) |
| 05:13.04 | sorphin | 8 chips per side |
| 05:14.50 | MonMotha | ah, fun fun |
| 05:14.54 | MonMotha | 8 chips on an SODIMM |
| 05:14.57 | MonMotha | stack them I guess |
| 05:15.10 | sorphin | MonMotha: dunno, but it apparently exists.. |
| 05:15.26 | sorphin | MonMotha: seems to be related on how it's 'seeing' the memory |
| 05:15.40 | sorphin | if you put in an sodimm that only has 4 per side |
| 05:15.44 | sorphin | it'll only see 128 |
| 05:16.06 | MonMotha | ? |
| 05:16.51 | sorphin | "The iopener will only recognise and use the full 256mb is there are eight chips on each side. If there are four chips per side the iopener will only use 128mb." |
| 05:18.03 | MonMotha | 16 bits vs 8 bits of data maybe? |
| 05:18.33 | sorphin | there's been sayings of the address setting in the bios.. |
| 05:18.58 | sorphin | "The chipset is NOT aware at powerup how much or even IF there is any memory. The bios must load a register telling the physical base address and maximum quantity of memory for each chip select." |
| 05:19.20 | sorphin | it doesn't like things right now using 256MBit parts |
| 05:19.40 | MonMotha | that's fairly normal |
| 05:20.10 | sorphin | "First guess at finding the faulty section in the BIOS is to search for all occurrences of "MOV DX,8" followed by "OUT DX,AL" (= BA 78 03 EE), and find the one that follows a line that moves 30h or 31h into AL. According to Award documentation, 30h is the POST code for getting base memory and extended memory size; and 31h is the POST code for testing extended memory . . ." |
| 05:20.27 | sorphin | too bad the award src code i have isn't for the 4.51G bios |
| 05:20.29 | sorphin | :P |
| 05:21.53 | Russ | sorphin: docs are pretty easy |
| 05:21.57 | Russ | I would recommend grub |
| 05:22.06 | sorphin | Russ: i mean hw implementing |
| 05:22.09 | Russ | however, I think grub still only understand nftl |
| 05:22.15 | Russ | hardware? |
| 05:22.24 | Russ | its basic 8 bit bus |
| 05:22.25 | sorphin | implementing a DOC into a hw design |
| 05:22.28 | MonMotha | sorphin: apparently there are portions of the award BIOS that haven't been touched in 10 years, and nobody knows what exactly they do |
| 05:22.29 | Russ | there isn't much to say |
| 05:22.45 | Russ | it implements the same as a small rom |
| 05:22.55 | Russ | (ie 512 or 256kb) |
| 05:23.14 | sorphin | MonMotha: no shock |
| 05:23.33 | sorphin | and now that they're part of phoenix, it only gets worse ;) |
| 05:23.47 | sorphin | Russ: heh.. well, considering i've not implemented a small rom ;) |
| 05:23.55 | Russ | in fact, if hardware has a rom slot, ie for bios, there are many cases where you can drop in a doc instead |
| 05:24.14 | sorphin | Russ: what about say on an ethernet card w/ a bootrom socket? |
| 05:24.25 | Russ | it is normal chipselect/rd/wr memory |
| 05:24.42 | Russ | cs low, set address/data, use rd or wr to clock out |
| 05:24.51 | Russ | sorphin: may be possible |
| 05:25.16 | sorphin | Russ: so those cards you have, basically just make it look like it would if it were slapped onto the MB? |
| 05:25.30 | Russ | ya, they drop it into a memory space |
| 05:25.40 | sorphin | kk |
| 05:25.42 | sorphin | erm |
| 05:25.42 | sorphin | k |
| 05:25.55 | sorphin | hmm |
| 05:26.20 | sorphin | the athlon board and the WSP |
| 05:26.42 | sorphin | and the wsp has a DOC onboard |
| 05:27.13 | sorphin | MonMotha: want a laugh? guess how i found the award src |
| 05:27.15 | sorphin | just googling |
| 05:27.23 | sorphin | truely sad |
| 05:27.27 | MonMotha | hah |
| 05:27.33 | MonMotha | you haev the source to the award bios? |
| 05:27.41 | MonMotha | truely pathetic |
| 05:27.50 | sorphin | MonMotha: i /m'd you telling you that :P |
| 05:28.11 | Russ | bios will find seach that memory space for a signature, and use it as a boot rom if it finds one |
| 05:28.11 | sorphin | it's *very* messy ASM |
| 05:28.33 | sorphin | MonMotha: the source was on someone's page of bios tools |
| 05:28.42 | sorphin | heh |
| 05:28.46 | sorphin | MonMotha: and on ed2k |
| 05:28.49 | sorphin | there's the source too |
| 05:29.07 | sorphin | it's all 6.00pg tho |
| 05:29.22 | sorphin | just 4.51 |
| 05:29.30 | sorphin | so it's not even a good reference |
| 05:29.36 | sorphin | Russ: ic |
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| 05:49.08 | sorphin | MonMotha: couple legit tools that were made by the iopener crowd |
| 05:49.11 | sorphin | are com2rom |
| 05:49.16 | sorphin | and loadbios |
| 05:49.24 | MonMotha | what do they do? |
| 05:49.26 | sorphin | loadbios will take a bios image |
| 05:49.43 | sorphin | and put it where your bios would normally be shadowed |
| 05:49.47 | sorphin | then you warm reboot |
| 05:49.50 | sorphin | and you're using that bios |
| 05:49.53 | sorphin | it's good for testing |
| 05:49.59 | MonMotha | nice |
| 05:49.59 | sorphin | if it don't work, just hard reboot |
| 05:50.09 | MonMotha | reblob :) |
| 05:50.20 | sorphin | MonMotha: it'll work on the via chipset on the io |
| 05:50.26 | MonMotha | speaking of, I need to port BLOB to the webpal |
| 05:50.30 | sorphin | couldn't get it working on the damn chipset in the WSP |
| 05:50.37 | sorphin | stupid cyrix crap |
| 05:50.52 | MonMotha | is there a common MIPS linux bootloader? |
| 05:51.01 | sorphin | MonMotha: and com2rom took a normal com file and adapts it for use as an award bios module |
| 05:51.19 | sorphin | MonMotha: silo? |
| 05:51.23 | sorphin | wait |
| 05:51.24 | sorphin | milo |
| 05:51.25 | sorphin | that's it |
| 05:51.38 | sorphin | milo for mips, silo for sparc (i think) |
| 05:51.42 | sorphin | or something like that |
| 05:51.45 | MonMotha | silo is sparc I know |
| 05:51.52 | sorphin | then it's milo |
| 05:52.22 | MonMotha | is it appropriate for embedded systems, or is it SGI oriented? |
| 05:52.35 | sorphin | dunno, to be honest |
| 05:52.37 | sorphin | haven't used it |
| 05:52.55 | MonMotha | k |
| 05:53.05 | MonMotha | DCT... |
| 05:53.14 | sorphin | MonMotha: right, but we can't even use that yet :P |
| 05:53.40 | sorphin | MonMotha: i have sjhill's phone numbers, i could slap him around :P |
| 05:53.57 | MonMotha | heh |
| 05:54.01 | MonMotha | I'll take a look at it tomorrow |
| 05:54.20 | MonMotha | along with a zillion other things |
| 05:54.25 | MonMotha | the ham radio club here just got a new radio |
| 05:54.29 | MonMotha | very cool toy :) |
| 05:54.47 | sorphin | let my license expire |
| 05:54.55 | MonMotha | ah, I find it fun |
| 05:55.12 | MonMotha | I don't really have any equipment (just use the club's) other than my HT, which I've found useful |
| 05:55.24 | MonMotha | basically, it's a fun way to toy with all the stuff I learn in my EE classes :) |
| 05:55.57 | sorphin | MonMotha: well, it was fun back in the day, but i don't have any gear anymore and no time to trek anywhere.. |
| 05:56.32 | MonMotha | yeah |
| 05:56.44 | MonMotha | the nice thing about having a club like this is that it isn't very expensive |
| 05:57.46 | MonMotha | I was thinking of operating a rover in the VHF sweepstakes this january...could be fun |
| 05:57.56 | MonMotha | ah, I'm a general, so I can do HF |
| 05:58.42 | sorphin | well, i coulda done HF had i went for code |
| 05:59.21 | MonMotha | yup, the code is the hard part of the general |
| 05:59.37 | MonMotha | the extra actually has some electronics theory on it that I don't know, though not too much |
| 05:59.52 | sorphin | MonMotha: well |
| 05:59.57 | sorphin | they've changed the structure now |
| 06:00.00 | sorphin | class wise |
| 06:00.00 | MonMotha | true |
| 06:00.06 | sorphin | and code requirement wise |
| 06:00.06 | MonMotha | you used to have to do MUCH faster code |
| 06:00.09 | sorphin | yup |
| 06:00.12 | MonMotha | now it's just 5WPM for everything |
| 06:00.15 | sorphin | yeah |
| 06:00.23 | sorphin | MonMotha: well, not like anyone manually does code anymore ;) |
| 06:00.26 | MonMotha | I know one of the old hard-core extras...got his extra in like the 60s :) |
| 06:00.31 | MonMotha | sorphin: I do, but only for grins |
| 06:01.24 | MonMotha | hard to find someone willing to do 7WPM with "non-perfect" spacing that their computer can't decode :) |
| 06:01.57 | sorphin | heh |
| 06:02.08 | sorphin | apparently no one wants the 4.51pg source, only the 6.00pg |
| 06:06.17 | sorphin | MonMotha: one thing i hate |
| 06:06.28 | sorphin | the WSP has the intel pxe boot code as a module in the real bios |
| 06:06.33 | sorphin | so you can't upgrade it |
| 06:06.47 | sorphin | it's a neat idea, but makes thigns shitty since they use .99 |
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| 08:06.48 | sorphin | jacques: sup mr miata |
| 08:07.53 | jacques | hi sorphin, I'm just trying to figure out why the net's so slow and balky |
| 08:09.36 | sorphin | ahh |
| 08:09.38 | sorphin | dunno |
| 08:10.05 | sorphin | prolly cuz it sucks ;) |
| 08:16.33 | sorphin | jacques: how's the 1.6l beast? |
| 08:17.47 | jacques | mine's a 96 - 1.8l :-) |
| 08:20.52 | sorphin | ah |
| 08:21.21 | sorphin | jacques: didn't know they'd bumped it up, only looked at a 92 |
| 08:21.58 | jacques | yeah for 94 model year |
| 08:22.10 | jacques | pretty much every year engine is slightly different |
| 08:22.20 | jacques | but the 1.6->1,8 was the big jump |
| 08:23.33 | jacques | not that it made much difference because they kept increasing the weight |
| 08:23.39 | sorphin | yeah |
| 08:24.13 | sorphin | well, the mini still zips around, tho maybe now once i'm employed again i can do my mods :P |
| 08:24.13 | jacques | congrats if it's not premature |
| 08:24.39 | kergoth | i need to look at getting my ECU reprogrammed on my crossfire |
| 08:24.42 | kergoth | one of these days |
| 08:25.20 | jacques | my ecu's not smart enough, but now that I'm inoregon I can pretty much do what I want |
| 08:25.24 | sorphin | jacques: tnx, well, only thing that could kill me is the background check and people have told me that it shouldn't since i'm not and won't be convicted |
| 08:25.27 | jacques | subject to cost of course |
| 08:25.42 | jacques | sorphin, cool |
| 08:25.45 | sorphin | 1st mod is the supercharger pulley |
| 08:25.50 | sorphin | 15% reduction |
| 08:26.12 | jacques | yep easy power and cheap |
| 08:26.21 | sorphin | jacques: pita to put on tho ;p |
| 08:26.23 | jacques | nothing that raises power on a stock miata is cheap |
| 08:26.38 | sorphin | jacques: well, that's because a stock miata doesn't come w/ an SC ;) |
| 08:26.48 | sorphin | tho, w/o the SC a miata would smoke it |
| 08:26.58 | jacques | right, if it came with FI it would be easy to get some more power |
| 08:27.28 | sorphin | tho, the eaton we have isn't the best thing in the world |
| 08:28.21 | jacques | i hear they are not bad these days - they are still advancing in small ways |
| 08:29.00 | sorphin | jacques: i still worry about my clutch, but prolly always will :P |
| 08:29.35 | jacques | yeah if i add any significant power I must change clutch - I already have a new one ready - have for like three years :-\ |
| 08:30.45 | jacques | i think i want this: http://flyinmiata.com/news/ubercharger.php |
| 08:31.26 | sorphin | jacques: my worry is killing it :P i was a bit hard on it when i 1st got the car ( never rode nor do i ride it now), but i was a lil rough on the mini at 1st |
| 08:31.36 | sorphin | i think my linkage might need adjustment tho |
| 08:31.43 | sorphin | sometimes it won't find the 'gate' |
| 08:32.17 | jacques | ah yeah sounds like it needs adjustment |
| 08:33.06 | sorphin | local mini dealer's svc is incompetant |
| 08:33.24 | sorphin | jacques: 1st time i went in there mention some stuff (in the 1st 2,000 miles) |
| 08:33.26 | jacques | that's a shame |
| 08:33.29 | sorphin | the FOREMAN |
| 08:33.34 | sorphin | told me this paddle sounding sound |
| 08:33.41 | sorphin | was just the mass of the gears making noise |
| 08:33.47 | sorphin | as i've now since learned |
| 08:33.55 | sorphin | it's a known problem w/ the Getrag tranny |
| 08:34.04 | sorphin | and usually means it's got a prob |
| 08:34.46 | jacques | yeah I reported a problem with the steering in mine in the first couple of weeks and the foreman said he had "never heard of anything like that" |
| 08:34.53 | jacques | I had to find and fix the problem myself |
| 08:35.12 | sorphin | a whistling when recirc is on (it's a grommit or something that gets replaced i think), and the hatch is leaking and needs adjustment (where my back seat used to be, had a pool of water in each spot) the last time i really rained bad, and the hatch is the only visible culprit |
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| 08:35.51 | jacques | :-\ |
| 08:36.10 | sorphin | jacques: i was glad nothing was in that spot now other than sound deadener |
| 08:36.20 | sorphin | i woulda been pissed if my subs were already in |
| 08:36.34 | jacques | yeah really |
| 08:38.30 | jacques | unfortunately I think it's in their job desc |
| 08:39.38 | sorphin | well, we'll see |
| 08:59.13 | sorphin | actually |
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