| 00:01.36 | chouimat | re |
| 00:02.11 | sorphin | chouimat: better evening? |
| 00:02.51 | chouimat | sorphin: somewhat ... just called some friends to tell them I will be in Quebec City friday ... after 6 hours in a bus |
| 00:02.59 | kergoth | sorphin: i tell you about the donation i got earlier? |
| 00:03.08 | kergoth | OZ users bought me an sl6000 to improve its support under OZ |
| 00:03.17 | chouimat | kergoth: nice |
| 00:03.22 | sorphin | kergoth: sweet |
| 00:03.33 | kergoth | yeah, this one guy donated $480 to my paypal account |
| 00:03.35 | kergoth | it was odd |
| 00:03.37 | kergoth | :) |
| 00:03.37 | sorphin | kergoth: now you actually OWN a working Z ;) |
| 00:03.41 | kergoth | yeah |
| 00:03.47 | kergoth | would be nice to actually be able to test again |
| 00:03.51 | sorphin | indeed |
| 00:04.00 | sorphin | would be nice to be able to use my Z again ;) |
| 00:04.36 | chouimat | sorphin: which project? |
| 00:04.55 | sorphin | chouimat: changing the updater for the Z5000/5500 |
| 00:05.04 | sorphin | so support not just CF but MMC/SD too |
| 00:05.09 | kergoth | better project would be to get a less shitty bootloader on the thing |
| 00:05.13 | kergoth | like LAB |
| 00:05.17 | sorphin | so i don't have to dig up CF when i brick |
| 00:05.23 | sorphin | kergoth: that'll be the 2nd run |
| 00:05.28 | chouimat | hehe |
| 00:05.33 | sorphin | since right now i can't even boot :P |
| 00:07.31 | kergoth | we should really hook up its jtag pins to one of our boxes and hack up jflash into working with it |
| 00:07.39 | sorphin | kergoth: well |
| 00:07.42 | kergoth | we have the pinout.. just a matter of getting it done |
| 00:07.51 | sorphin | i had asked spencer for the jflash |
| 00:07.54 | sorphin | but |
| 00:07.55 | kergoth | then we'd be able to recover if we fuck it up |
| 00:07.59 | sorphin | instead he sent me the updater source |
| 00:08.05 | kergoth | yea, i suspect we'll have to modify the software ourselves |
| 00:08.07 | sorphin | that's how i ended up w/ that |
| 00:08.17 | sorphin | i don't think he really understood what i wanted |
| 00:08.24 | sorphin | he still there or he get cut too? |
| 00:08.27 | kergoth | good guy, but he's marketing |
| 00:08.28 | kergoth | he's gone |
| 00:08.34 | kergoth | we have -zero- contacts in sharp usa now |
| 00:09.34 | sorphin | damn |
| 00:09.36 | sorphin | that sucks |
| 00:09.49 | sorphin | glad i got the svc manual when i did then |
| 00:10.05 | sorphin | kergoth: i'd guess they might still talk to you tho, since i'm sure they know who you are :P |
| 00:10.18 | chouimat | shit!!! I lost it in a hard drive crash |
| 00:10.22 | kergoth | nod, we could probably get ahold of people |
| 00:10.31 | kergoth | i still know a couple folks in sharp jp that could put us in touch with others, as well |
| 00:10.50 | sorphin | chouimat: eh? |
| 00:10.51 | sorphin | kergoth: ah, good |
| 00:10.58 | sorphin | kergoth: my prob atm |
| 00:11.05 | sorphin | my 'adapter' is flakey |
| 00:11.10 | chouimat | sorphin: zaurus manual .... the bad japanese typewriting copy |
| 00:11.11 | sorphin | because of that stupid connector they use |
| 00:11.26 | kergoth | i've got it.. somewhere.. |
| 00:11.29 | sorphin | but it reminds me |
| 00:11.46 | sorphin | of the connector some PCMCIA ethernet cards use to connect to their dongles |
| 00:11.51 | sorphin | ya know the one i mean? :P |
| 00:11.54 | chouimat | kergoth: and the service one too |
| 00:11.56 | sorphin | that's very sensitive to position |
| 00:12.07 | kergoth | i need to figure out where i put that stuff |
| 00:12.12 | kergoth | i've lost so many machines and drives.. |
| 00:12.24 | kergoth | i suspect a lot of it is still in my mailbox. i know the translation from effy is still in there |
| 00:13.09 | sorphin | eh? |
| 00:13.16 | kergoth | zaurus docs |
| 00:13.27 | kergoth | like the data sheet for their LoCoMo chip |
| 00:13.29 | kergoth | in the 5500 |
| 00:13.34 | kergoth | was a scanned japanese pdf |
| 00:13.41 | sorphin | sweet |
| 00:13.46 | kergoth | effy translated the chapter on SPI so i could write a new SD/MMC driver |
| 00:13.52 | kergoth | (painstakingly, i might add) |
| 00:14.07 | kergoth | still, the diagrams and stuff in it are usefull anyway |
| 00:14.29 | sorphin | kergoth: if you find that stuff again, share the wealth ;) |
| 00:15.01 | kergoth | i havent seen him on irc in ages |
| 00:15.03 | sorphin | which reminds me |
| 00:15.03 | kergoth | ~seen effy |
| 00:15.13 | ibot | i haven't seen 'effy', kergoth |
| 00:15.13 | kergoth | ~seen effykun |
| 00:15.13 | ibot | i haven't seen 'effykun', kergoth |
| 00:15.13 | kergoth | hmm, what was his nick again |
| 00:15.24 | kergoth | i wish i could use wildcards in seen |
| 00:15.25 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:15.32 | kergoth | ~seen kergoth* |
| 00:15.32 | ibot | i haven't seen 'kergoth*', kergoth |
| 00:15.33 | sorphin | kergoth: prod timmy about it ;) |
| 00:15.34 | kergoth | :) |
| 00:15.43 | kergoth | tim will prod me back with "patches welcome" |
| 00:15.47 | sorphin | true |
| 00:15.47 | kergoth | and i dont have time to implement it :) |
| 00:16.02 | kergoth | ~seen effy|kun |
| 00:16.03 | ibot | kergoth: i haven't seen 'effy|kun' |
| 00:16.06 | kergoth | bah |
| 00:16.14 | kergoth | i have his email anyway, buried in my inbox of doom |
| 00:16.36 | sorphin | kergoth: what you have for connection stuff? |
| 00:16.47 | sorphin | my cradle is gone.. i tried to copy that serial cable i've seen sold |
| 00:16.59 | sorphin | but as i said, that connector from the cradle is touchy |
| 00:17.03 | kergoth | i have a cradle and a serial cable |
| 00:17.22 | *** join/#elinux GPSFan (~Ken@65.121.49.59) |
| 00:17.27 | kergoth | the serial cable may be worth modifying. put a switch on it to flip the level of that one pin to switch to jtag operation, and put a second connector on it |
| 00:17.30 | sorphin | hey hey it's Ken |
| 00:17.39 | sorphin | kergoth: yep |
| 00:17.39 | GPSFan | Hey dan how's it? |
| 00:17.47 | sorphin | GPSFan: breaking hw, you? |
| 00:18.11 | GPSFan | long day 'goin to the big city... |
| 00:18.19 | sorphin | GPSFan: the IDE on my websurfer pro went from working to dead, due to monkeying again w/ the SMT resistor packs |
| 00:18.30 | sorphin | and tonight i get to chop up an ide cable to mirror pins |
| 00:18.33 | sorphin | for the IOpener |
| 00:18.36 | GPSFan | don't let the smoke out... |
| 00:19.06 | sorphin | GPSFan: nah, i only do that to Athlon chips ;) |
| 00:19.16 | sorphin | GPSFan: i was using my microscope |
| 00:19.20 | GPSFan | ah I always liked the Iopener, I have 3.. 2 still in th ebox, waiting for a good linux build for the sandisk.. |
| 00:19.24 | sorphin | but the angle was just horrid |
| 00:19.32 | sorphin | GPSFan: there are already those |
| 00:19.49 | sorphin | they already have linux |
| 00:19.53 | sorphin | and they never get used |
| 00:20.19 | GPSFan | I had the original Midori build but it had problems running out of ram, I haven't tried the latest one. |
| 00:20.39 | sorphin | GPSFan: mine have tty-linux |
| 00:20.48 | sorphin | aka the tty-opener version |
| 00:20.50 | sorphin | works well enough |
| 00:20.54 | sorphin | for what it is |
| 00:20.59 | GPSFan | saw that yeaterdy, does it support X? |
| 00:21.02 | kergoth | heh, make OE emit a distro for it. |
| 00:21.22 | kergoth | then itd automatically benefit from advances in related distros |
| 00:21.22 | GPSFan | kergoth: sounds like a plan, it's just an x86.. |
| 00:22.24 | sorphin | GPSFan: you really expect to fit X on a 16M sandisk? :) |
| 00:22.41 | kergoth | with cramfs, i dont see why not |
| 00:23.05 | sorphin | heh |
| 00:23.16 | kergoth | kdrive or xorg.. |
| 00:23.20 | sorphin | well |
| 00:23.21 | jacques | we fit X in 4MB on the tuxscreen |
| 00:23.26 | kergoth | yeah |
| 00:23.33 | GPSFan | I was shocked when I first booted up the Midori dist on the IO it was fantastic, untill the browser ran out of ram, then it rebooted. but other than that it worked well. |
| 00:23.36 | kergoth | the diet x11 lib, .. |
| 00:23.40 | jacques | along with kernel, client libs, clients wm etc busybox |
| 00:23.55 | GPSFan | it did support X & sound and xmms, etc. |
| 00:23.57 | kergoth | someone should add shannon support to our oe package repo, actually |
| 00:24.05 | kergoth | heh. "someone" |
| 00:24.13 | jacques | yep that's on my list (near the bottom unfortunately) |
| 00:24.23 | kergoth | cool |
| 00:24.33 | jacques | i want an excuse to play with my tuxscreens again |
| 00:24.49 | kergoth | basically absorbing all the buildroots out there into this. then you dont have to spend time bringing them all up to date |
| 00:24.57 | sorphin | mine sit in the closet w/ Pixil loaded on them |
| 00:25.11 | kergoth | i never did get one. dunno what i'd do with it though |
| 00:25.33 | GPSFan | mu tuxscreen has a current uptime of 155days running Pixil. |
| 00:25.43 | kergoth | do you use it for anything? |
| 00:25.49 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:25.51 | sorphin | like the DCTs :-P |
| 00:26.05 | sorphin | damn $50 paperweights right now |
| 00:26.13 | GPSFan | can't do anything usefull with it, but it runns. |
| 00:26.32 | kergoth | you'd think a tux would be a useful little recipe box for the kitchen or something. |
| 00:26.48 | GPSFan | sorphin: yep (re DCT5k) keeping an old monitor from floating away. |
| 00:27.36 | sorphin | GPSFan: heh.. monmotha and i were/are gonna dig into them once he'd done dance dance revolutioning |
| 00:27.50 | sorphin | GPSFan: where'd you get the idc connector to fit that jtag? |
| 00:29.23 | GPSFan | so I got them as samples from Samtec.. Their "sudden Samples" program, I can dig up the P/N for you.. |
| 00:29.43 | jacques | me also wants to play with his dct5k's |
| 00:30.02 | sorphin | GPSFan: ahh, samples are a "Good Thing(tm)" |
| 00:31.19 | GPSFan | sorphin: FFSD-05-D-24.00-01-N-D10 |
| 00:31.42 | sorphin | GPSFan: the one thing that bugs me is that stupid mirrored pinout on the IO's ide |
| 00:31.48 | GPSFan | sorphin: that gets you a 2' long cable with 2 10 pin connectors at each end and one in the middle. |
| 00:32.00 | sorphin | k |
| 00:32.17 | sorphin | GPSFan: i'm having to do some cable voodoo tonight |
| 00:32.25 | GPSFan | yeah I hated that connector too.. |
| 00:32.26 | sorphin | using my 40->44 pin adapter backwards |
| 00:32.36 | sorphin | and making a mirrored 40 pinner |
| 00:32.45 | sorphin | since my 6G 2.5" drive is being a pain |
| 00:32.52 | sorphin | just gonna use a normal ide |
| 00:32.59 | sorphin | which i know i used one originally |
| 00:33.05 | sorphin | but i can't remember how i rigged it |
| 00:35.13 | sorphin | heh |
| 00:35.24 | sorphin | all i'm finding right now is the FFSD series overview |
| 00:37.15 | GPSFan | sorphin: http://www.samtec.com/technical_specifications/overview.asp?series=FFSD |
| 00:38.03 | sorphin | right |
| 00:38.16 | sorphin | GPSFan: any other good samples to grab while i'm here? |
| 00:38.35 | GPSFan | go to build a part # type that in then validate it then order samples. |
| 00:39.13 | GPSFan | you could probably find a reverse pinnout 44pin IDE so you wouldn't have to use 2 for the IO. |
| 00:39.42 | GPSFan | if you do I'd like to know the P/N... ;>) |
| 00:39.45 | sorphin | just to cram onto the sandisk |
| 00:39.57 | sorphin | GPSFan: win98's gonna run on ramdisk |
| 00:40.09 | GPSFan | I have one set up with a 10G HDD running Win98 |
| 00:40.20 | sorphin | personally |
| 00:40.27 | sorphin | tho found a page of a guy that worked w/ Shane |
| 00:40.36 | sorphin | that can take it down to 7M |
| 00:40.48 | GPSFan | yeah, but the mapping app I have takes many many MB... |
| 00:47.27 | sorphin | GPSFan: so you've rigged on the serial then? :) |
| 00:53.00 | GPSFan | sorphin: ?? I used a USB RS232 adapter to get the GPS in. |
| 00:53.35 | sorphin | ah |
| 00:53.53 | sorphin | and put my ethernet internal :) |
| 00:53.58 | sorphin | in place of the other phone jack |
| 00:54.04 | sorphin | SMC 2200 |
| 00:54.06 | sorphin | erm |
| 00:54.07 | sorphin | 220 |
| 00:54.09 | sorphin | whatever |
| 00:55.13 | GPSFan | only needed the serial or the ethernet, not both at once, I toyed around with adding the second usb, but didn't have a connector source at the time. a bus powered hob also works. |
| 00:55.17 | sorphin | GPSFan: i need to rebrush up on my x86 ASM |
| 00:55.24 | sorphin | all those people that did BIOS work on it |
| 00:55.31 | sorphin | and i sat in the dark :P |
| 00:55.44 | sorphin | connector source? |
| 00:55.45 | sorphin | heh |
| 00:56.04 | sorphin | where the other socket would go |
| 00:56.16 | sorphin | the ethernet board is on top of the modem |
| 00:56.18 | GPSFan | ah, at the time it was easier to use the hub, |
| 00:56.32 | GPSFan | when I needed both at once. |
| 01:04.02 | sorphin | so maybe i can finally attempt to play w/ it |
| 01:08.59 | chouimat | George: a correct english sentence!!!!! |
| 01:09.03 | chouimat | :) |
| 01:09.44 | sorphin | heh |
| 01:11.27 | chouimat | sorphin: sorry he's a bitch about my grammar so I wanted to annoy him a little |
| 01:12.23 | sorphin | chouimat: well, he's a queen loving wanker, so he has no room to criticize |
| 01:12.48 | chouimat | sorphin: hehe ok time to check my testament download |
| 01:13.07 | chouimat | ok 6 hours to go |
| 01:13.22 | sorphin | heh |
| 01:17.11 | chouimat | sorphin: bah |
| 01:24.06 | sorphin | chouimat: eh? |
| 01:46.20 | sorphin | heh, SETI finds an interesting signal |
| 01:46.29 | kergoth | ? |
| 01:46.34 | sorphin | kergoth: your space relatives trying to reach you again? |
| 01:46.43 | sorphin | kergoth: http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99996341 |
| 01:46.48 | kergoth | sorphin: tell em to fuck off |
| 01:46.55 | sorphin | hehe |