| 00:21.19 | MonMotha | eh, I think I got it working kinda |
| 00:21.43 | MonMotha | now I just need to figure out how to convince it that yes, the 80C451 does in fact come in PDIP packaging, and yes, it is missing 4 pins that are on the PLCC package |
| 00:31.30 | MonMotha | you know...I do have a copy of Cadence OrCAD... |
| 00:32.43 | MonMotha | not linux tho :( |
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| 03:29.05 | chouimat|Zzzzzzz | night |
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| 03:38.37 | sorphin | TomW: shouldn't you be asleep old man? |
| 03:39.13 | TomW | naw, I did a lot of that this weekend. I was depressed and slept a lot. |
| 03:39.32 | TomW | Right now, I would really really like something to smoke! |
| 03:39.45 | TomW | cigar, pipe, whatever. |
| 03:40.00 | TomW | today was Day 5 |
| 03:41.45 | MonMotha | TomW: you know much about using eagle cad? |
| 03:41.51 | sorphin | oooh... trying to quit eh? |
| 03:42.21 | TomW | MonMotha: yeah, I used it quite a bit, I have version 4 here. |
| 03:42.31 | MonMotha | no, that's doable |
| 03:42.38 | TomW | MonMotha: 4.1 actually. |
| 03:42.58 | MonMotha | I'm trying to convince it that yes, the 80451 is available in PDIP64 and yes, it is missing 4 pins from the PLCC version |
| 03:44.08 | TomW | MonMotha: well, from what I have learned in doing schematic capture / pcb layout, the most can be gained from any package if you can develop skills in designing custom components for the libraries.. |
| 03:44.33 | TomW | MonMotha: eagle is not too bad in doing the libraries. |
| 03:46.56 | TomW | sorphin: yeah, trying to quit. Today I feel like chewing on trees / telephone poles. >&-\ |
| 03:53.12 | TomW | MonMotha: do you have the pdip-64 package already defined in a library someplace? |
| 03:54.54 | TomW | sorphin: one nice thing about not smoking is that my sense of smell has really improved. My friend Amy gave me a hug earlier this evening and I can still smell her perfume on me / my clothes. |
| 03:55.10 | MonMotha | TomW: I have gotten to where I can assign signals for the part to pins on the package, but then it complains that I don't have all the signals assigned (since 4 are missing from the PDIP that are on PLCC) |
| 03:56.21 | TomW | MonMotha: that shouldn't be a problem. You would have the PDIP-64 as a variant, just leave the extra pins unconnected. |
| 04:01.15 | TomW | MonMotha: where did you get the PDIP-64 from, which lib ? |
| 04:08.10 | TomW | MonMotha: interesting, I didn't know that excess signals & too few pads would present a problem.. Well, go into the micro-Intel library, click on "Library | Symbol", select "83C451", then click on "group", highlight entire symbol and choose "cut". |
| 04:09.01 | TomW | right click will "cut" the "group-ed" area. |
| 04:09.59 | TomW | MonMotha: next, do a "library | symbol" and enter a new name: e.g. 80C451-DIP |
| 04:11.50 | TomW | MonMotha: then "paste" the copied 83C451 (68 pin part) into this Symbol, edit by deleting the excess 4 pins (signals), then you can use this Symbol to marry with DIL64 package to create a new Device. |
| 04:26.42 | MonMotha | so basically make a new part that's only in DIP packaging? |
| 04:27.01 | MonMotha | sounds reasonable |
| 04:29.17 | TomW | correct, just use the GROUP, CUT and PASTE operations to copy over the SYMBOL(83C451) and PACKAGE (DIL64) parts to new names so that you can do any editing and not hurt the current components. BTW, you can cut & paste between libs, I generally have a TomW lib on the system for my special stuff. |
| 04:30.39 | sorphin | TomW: yeah, and you'll live a bit longer, and women will be able to stand being around you a bit more ;) |
| 04:31.35 | sorphin | i love how i'm getting spam dated May 3rd already |
| 04:32.02 | sorphin | spam that came back in time |
| 04:32.47 | Russ | we are well into may 3rd UTC |
| 04:33.59 | TomW | ditto |
| 04:34.47 | sorphin | Russ: and some just showing up from may 1st and apr 30 |
| 04:34.55 | sorphin | delayed spam i guess |
| 04:35.00 | sorphin | Russ: and i don't live on UTC :P |
| 04:42.14 | MonMotha | TomW: OK, I'll give it a shot |
| 04:42.22 | MonMotha | right now, I'm tinkering with Cadence Orcad |
| 04:42.49 | MonMotha | they don't have a 80451 in DIP part either |
| 04:42.56 | MonMotha | though I'm not even sure how to design boards in cadence :() |
| 04:42.57 | MonMotha | :0 |
| 04:42.58 | MonMotha | bah |
| 04:42.59 | MonMotha | :) |
| 04:43.03 | MonMotha | get the right smiley... |
| 04:43.15 | Russ | why are you guys discussing dip component creation for so long? |
| 04:43.31 | Russ | most basic component you can have really |
| 04:43.54 | MonMotha | I have a part that is already in eagle that I was tryign to add a package for (eagle only has it as PLCC), but the DIP package doesn't have 4 of the signals and eagle didn't like that |
| 04:44.25 | Russ | just copy the schematic part and make a new one then |
| 04:44.52 | MonMotha | yes, that was the solution given |
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