| 00:11.43 | zwelch | kergoth: oh, you know... |
| 00:11.58 | kergoth | zynot still alive & kickin? |
| 00:12.08 | zwelch | i could say... but there are a lot of people listening that might hear me :) |
| 00:12.38 | zwelch | i'm hoping zynot is like a phoenix |
| 00:13.05 | zwelch | it's looking like ashes at the moment, but i believe a small spark will soon give birth to a new beast entirely |
| 00:14.00 | zwelch | in the meantime... |
| 00:14.23 | zwelch | where would you go for a 2.6.4 patchset for PXA? |
| 00:14.42 | kergoth | i'd hit holger schurig's bkpxa patchset, currently residing in handhelds.org cvs (the patches themselves) |
| 00:14.51 | zwelch | good to know :) |
| 00:15.02 | zwelch | i'll have to look there next |
| 00:15.19 | kergoth | search l-a-k for bkpxa, you'll find the url |
| 00:15.26 | zwelch | right, i know i've seen it |
| 00:15.37 | zwelch | the question then is, what's it based off of? |
| 00:15.49 | zwelch | is it its own patch series? |
| 00:16.07 | kergoth | yep. not sure what the base was, but i know there are people pushing them forward |
| 00:16.20 | zwelch | okay that's great to know |
| 00:16.20 | kergoth | ask... seletz for example |
| 00:16.32 | kergoth | (stefan eletz) |
| 00:17.02 | zwelch | imagines you've sufficiently invoked his name to get his attention once he's around |
| 00:17.07 | kergoth | david brownell has a pxa tree afaicr as well somewhere, bk, for the gadget stuff he was working on |
| 00:17.10 | kergoth | seletz__: ping |
| 00:17.24 | zwelch | well, i looked at the gadget tree... or what was the gadget tree |
| 00:17.26 | zwelch | maybe |
| 00:17.42 | zwelch | the repo i found look like it hadn't been updated for a couple of months |
| 00:18.12 | kergoth | yeah, thats likely correct. |
| 00:18.29 | zwelch | okay.. |
| 00:18.40 | zwelch | well, there is another set that i've heard of |
| 00:19.09 | zwelch | the -gnalm series |
| 00:19.32 | kergoth | then of course as always handhelds.org is doing their own thing |
| 00:19.35 | kergoth | 2.6 tree in cvs |
| 00:19.43 | kergoth | has some of the bkpxa stuff, some of their own stuff, etc |
| 00:20.14 | zwelch | yeah, i keep wondering about their stuff |
| 00:20.46 | kergoth | they do good work, but they work in a continuous development model, not a patchset like model |
| 00:20.52 | kergoth | and they avoid bk, unfortunately |
| 00:21.15 | zwelch | well, continuous development is kinda counterculter, isn't it? :) |
| 00:21.37 | zwelch | i mean, it seems to me that the currency of open source is patches more than it is source code |
| 00:21.43 | kergoth | well, its more a corporate mindset than an open source mindset |
| 00:21.48 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:22.03 | zwelch | do they at least acknowledge that reality? |
| 00:22.17 | zwelch | (that they are more corporate minded than open source minded) |
| 00:22.41 | zwelch | i would think that be the stuff to cause the kind of friction that makes them say, "i'll show him" |
| 00:22.48 | kergoth | rmk and co bring it up pretty often |
| 00:22.54 | zwelch | yes, well... |
| 00:23.03 | kergoth | although, admittedly, jamey is doing better at generating patches of their stuff and pushing them up |
| 00:23.16 | kergoth | still, the different processes will always cause friction |
| 00:23.24 | zwelch | of course |
| 00:23.49 | zwelch | the question is: does the hh project consider themselves (or are themselves considered) to be a fork of arm/linux? |
| 00:23.58 | kergoth | good question. |
| 00:24.04 | zwelch | because they are |
| 00:24.11 | zwelch | regardless of their self perception |
| 00:24.19 | zwelch | :) |
| 00:24.28 | kergoth | indeed. |
| 00:24.53 | zwelch | and, again, that seems to be the kind of "necessary friction" that could bootstrap better collaboration |
| 00:25.08 | zwelch | we say, "you forkers!" |
| 00:25.16 | zwelch | they say, "nu-uh! we'll show you!" |
| 00:25.44 | zwelch | after all, i tend to believe that developers kinda tend toward that behavior when cornered ;) |
| 00:26.05 | kergoth | heh, 'could'. this has been going on for a long time. here's hoping it changes. |
| 00:26.22 | zwelch | well |
| 00:26.33 | zwelch | i have my ideas for solutions |
| 00:27.42 | zwelch | but they're kind counterindicative to the intuition |
| 00:27.53 | zwelch | s/kind/kinda/ |
| 00:28.20 | zwelch | and they are downright heretical to most open source folk |
| 00:28.29 | kergoth | on the distro side of things, familiar and OZ will end up using the same build infrastructure, which should foster a great deal of collaboration on the distro front |
| 00:28.30 | zwelch | this is why i'm writing the code |
| 00:28.31 | zwelch | :) |
| 00:28.35 | kergoth | kernel though, is a whole nother ball o wax |
| 01:29.07 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
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