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03:57.29TomWibot: wb
03:57.31thx
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13:02.51sorphin~bitchslap sjhill
13:02.58ACTION beats the sh*t out of sjhill
13:18.55sjhillsorphin: hey wcom whore
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13:27.00sorphinsjhill: hey timesys whore
13:27.45sjhillsorphin: when is your 2nd ivw?
14:33.39sorphinsjhill: dunno yet.. gotta try the dude again today
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14:46.08CosmicPenguinmorning
14:46.42sjhillCosmicPenguin: hey there ice butt
14:49.36CosmicPenguinYep, the weather outside is frightful
14:49.43CosmicPenguinbut not as cold as the east coast, apparently
14:49.55sjhillyeah, it's pretty wicked cold
14:50.12sjhilli'm in pittsburgh, i guess that's east
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15:24.56chouimatsorphin: hi
15:25.14sorphinchouimat: lo
15:31.49sievesorphin, chouimat, CosmicPenguin, guys...  hello
15:31.50juliaanyone going to LinuxWorld next week in NYC?
15:32.01chouimatme
15:32.04CosmicPenguinsieve: yello
15:32.31juliachouimat: really?  I'll be there on Friday, if you are around we should meet up
15:32.46chouimatjulia: I will be in KDE booth
15:32.51juliacool
15:32.53juliaI'll say hi
15:33.13juliaI'll be the big blonde girl...
15:33.28CosmicPenguinHe'll be the french canadian with the "I love Celine" shirt on... :)
15:33.30chouimatjulia: I will be the bald one :)
15:33.42chouimatCosmicPenguin: probably more a suit
15:34.06CosmicPenguinAn "I love Celine" suit?  Wow
15:34.09juliaI'm tall and slightly overweight
15:35.23sorphinCosmicPenguin: nah, he'll have a suit w/ an i love celene tshirt under it and a tie that says it too
15:35.39chouimatCosmicPenguin: no It will be a " Please God free us from Celine"
15:38.49sorphinωνω chouimat is now known as chouimatloveceline
15:38.52sorphin:P
15:40.33chouimat|busysorphin: that one is starting to be boring ... I allready apologize to you because we let her free as a weapon of mass destruction ...
15:44.45sievelol
15:50.25sieveanybody in here good with the config for the bloatbot?
15:52.09juliadid you guys see the thing about the math teacher arrested for boarding a plane with a protractor and compass?
15:52.13juliait was hysterical
15:52.24juliahe had "Weapons of math instruction"
15:52.26chouimat|busyjulia: wow
15:52.51filemy step-dad was attempting to board a plane and they took away device that checks the status of the tires (depth and pressure)
15:53.47fileCosmicPenguin: I did
15:53.58fileI was just pointing out a similar non-funny situation that occured
15:54.26CosmicPenguinfile: so you were bringing us down, then
15:54.50CosmicPenguin"Did you hear the one about the priest and the rabbi who walk in to a bar?"
15:54.58CosmicPenguin"Yeah.  Did you hear about the one where my dog got ran over"
15:54.59chouimat|busyCosmicPenguin: too tired to try to understand today
15:59.14juliahttp://seclists.org/lists/isn/2003/Dec/0082.html
15:59.22juliafor the whole thing I was talking about
15:59.25juliait's hysterical
16:04.27chouimat|busyjulia: hehe
16:28.30Russweird, somebody just sent me an email...
16:28.38RussFrom: Quest Technologies <quast.torsten@quest-tech.de>
16:28.58RussHello Russ, I am looking for 500 PCS, AM29LV640DU90RPCI , Please let me know
16:42.34anderseeRuss: heh
16:42.45anderseeRuss: see that email I forwarded re udhcp?
16:43.04anderseeRuss: I've not looked over it, figured you know that code better
16:43.08Russya, I got it, lemme read it
16:45.07Russhttp://busybox.net/cgi-bin/cvsweb/busybox/networking/udhcp/script.c?r1=1.10&r2=1.11
16:45.42Russhe claims not to see the diff in script.c 1.11
16:45.54Russbut his diff is against a file dated 2003-12-18
16:46.54RussI don't think he understands the 1.10->1.11 patch
16:52.50anderseeRuss: k
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17:26.34prpplagueRuss: that was the change to fix my issue right?
17:27.53sorphinprpplague: yeehaw, it's the mad texan
17:29.06Russprpplague: ya
17:35.45prpplaguesorphin: btw, i spoke to the transcode ppl, they said that dvdshrink uses the same mmpeg requantizilation feature as the tcrequant in linux
17:36.07sorphinprpplague: nod
17:36.17sorphinprpplague: doesn't help me tho till i have your scripts ;)
17:36.24prpplaguesorphin: :) still testing
17:36.35sorphinprpplague: heh
17:36.37prpplaguesorphin: found some bugs in the menu creation for the chapters
17:36.53prpplaguesorphin: alot to learn, and the documentation is non-existant
17:37.09prpplaguesorphin: i.e. no man pages, no --usage, no README's
17:37.54sorphinnod
17:38.11sorphinprpplague: fine by me, i'd still like to look, i'm generally good at finding bugs ;)
17:39.02prpplaguesorphin: lol, no i mean all the tools i'm using don't have those, i have to read code to get the right arguments
17:40.22sorphinprpplague: ah.. no biggie there
17:40.25prpplaguesorphin: about the only info you can find is on the mailing lists
17:40.46prpplaguesorphin: biggie if you are trying to do something with them, lol
17:41.50sorphinprpplague: heh
17:42.01sorphinprpplague: i'm impatient :P
17:42.44prpplaguesorphin: lol
17:42.55sorphinprpplague: no probs having to read code
17:42.58sorphini have to do that daily
17:43.28prpplaguesorphin: no problem here either, its just that it takes twice as long to make it do what i want
17:44.09sorphinprpplague: indeed
17:44.16sorphinprpplague: least give me something so i can stat gathering utils atleast? :P
17:45.42prpplaguesorphin: need the cvs or daily snapshots for transcode, dvdauthor, growisofs, mjpeg tools
17:45.55prpplaguesorphin: need to have nasm installed
17:46.17sorphinprpplague: k, already have nasm..
17:46.25prpplaguesorphin: of course you'll need *cough* libdvdread and libdvdcss
17:46.37sorphinprpplague: already got those too ;)
17:48.18prpplaguesorphin: transcode and mpjpeg tools will come will a host of lib/app requirments
17:48.31CosmicPenguinmmmm.... transcode
17:48.45sorphinprpplague: k
17:49.46sorphinCosmicPenguin: if it's as nice a proc as you claim, why would that be bad?
17:49.51prpplaguesorphin: other apps that are handy are, vobcopy,dvdbackup, ifoinfo, vobview
17:50.40prpplaguesorphin: add if your interested in doing vcd's or ripping for playing on a pc, then dvd::rip
17:52.07sorphinprpplague: nah, i don't care for vcds.. and if i play on a peecee, i play the dvd ;)
17:57.17prpplaguesorphin: this is the kind of documentation i'm talking about - http://dvdauthor.sourceforge.net/doc/dvdauthor.html
17:57.27prpplaguesorphin: check out the descriptions of the arguments
17:58.17sorphinprpplague: you using james' mods, or did they get merged into dvdauthor?
17:59.09sorphinprpplague: nod
18:00.03prpplaguesorphin: just using straight dvdauthor at the momment, haven't read about james mods yets
18:00.13prpplaguesorphin: gonna look/read this weekend
18:00.21sorphinprpplague: k
18:00.40prpplaguesorphin: i'm make significant strides about every two days, lol
18:03.02sorphinCosmicPenguin: beat em down
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18:26.37sorphinTomW: afternoon old timer
18:26.55TomWmorning Dan
18:27.00chouimat|lunchhi TomW
18:27.15TomWchouimat|lunch: Hi Nanuck
18:27.58TomWchouimat|lunch: would you *please* stop exporting your weather to us in the Northeast?
18:28.38chouimat|lunchTomW: it's -25C here but only -51C with the windfactor
18:28.53sorphinTomW: we could always make your snow yellow for you :P
18:29.16chouimat|lunchTomW: we have some brown snow here if you want
18:29.34TomWsorphin: naw, that is the neighborhood dogs' job.
18:30.30TomWThe electronics should be here today for the pvr, I have no clue as to when the case + DVD writer will be here though
18:31.11sorphinTomW: prpplague is progressing
18:31.23TomWsorphin: that thing we talked about the other day, a hacked xawtv?  it is called FsckTV
18:31.35chouimat|lunchfscktv?
18:32.09TomWchouimat|lunch: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2003-February/000630.html
18:32.30sorphinTomW: i know
18:32.40sorphinTomW: [mbm] did it
18:32.41TomWsorphin: what is prpplague progressing on?
18:32.47sorphinand  iused it for a while
18:32.56sorphinTomW: the dvd copying deal/menu making, etc
18:33.18prpplagueTomW: dvd9->dvd5 shrinking with no video loss
18:33.31prpplagueTomW: with creation of chapter menus
18:33.32sorphinprpplague: just smaller image :P
18:33.45prpplaguesorphin: negative, the image is the same size
18:33.46TomWsorphin: I think that I will prolly just subscribe to the pay channels and keep the pvr busy for a while.  I don't know how long we will continue to have analog channels before they switch over.
18:34.28sorphinprpplague: no, the vob is you said, the image in the vob is smaller
18:34.32TomWprpplague: ok, dvd9 == 9gig / platter & dvd5 == 4.7G ?
18:34.44sorphinTomW: no
18:34.49sorphinwell not exactly
18:34.57sorphinDVD-9 is 4.37G per layer
18:35.02sorphindual layer
18:35.13TomWprpplague: I know the plant engineer of Warner Advanced Media Ops, they are in Olyphant PA and he is a Ham operator.
18:35.39sorphinTomW: hehe WAMO :)
18:35.57TomWI was up there last year to quote on some system that they wanted to install to track productivity.  Interesting operation.
18:36.07sorphinTomW: i've lost count at how many WAMO discs i've seen
18:36.27TomWsorphin: yeah, they used to belong to Time Warner, now they have been sold to some other monster corp.
18:37.01TomWsorphin: unfortunately, the plant security is so tight that you cannot get "samples".  :(
18:37.50sorphinTomW: i wouldn't care about samples.. i'd jus tlike to see how it's all done
18:38.09TomWAlthough, I understand that some of the engineers do sign out production CDs to "check the overall image quality".  :P
18:38.16prpplaguesorphin: i guess i'm not explaining it correctly
18:38.27sorphinprpplague: wouldn't be the 1st time ;)
18:38.53prpplaguesorphin: yea yea
18:38.55TomWsorphin: it is a pressing operation, they take the two halves of the cd, press each one under tons of pressure, then glue them together.
18:38.55prpplaguesorphin: http://zebra.fh-weingarten.de/~maxi/html/transcode-users/2003-10/msg00285.html
18:39.42TomWIIRC, they use both exterior surfaces to store data + one inner layer.
18:39.45sorphinTomW: but they make the discs too to press :P
18:40.15TomWdidn't see that operation, you may be correct.  IIRC it is a one million square foot plant.
18:41.10TomWlast time I checked, they had 70 presses producing CDs, and I just got an order for 25 more interfaces, so they must have expanded again.
18:41.21sorphinprpplague: ....instead it takes advantage of an MPEG2 feature which allows to
18:41.21sorphinshrink the file directly; there is some quality loss, of course, but at
18:41.22sorphinleast the process is very fast
18:41.25sorphin:P
18:41.40sorphinTomW: cool
18:43.22TomWI almost got a $50K order from them for the computer equipment, but one of their purchasing agents scarved that one up!  She "sells" PCs to the company.  I tried to disguise the order as calling them "embedded controllers running WinNT", but she caught on..  :(
18:44.00TomWoh well
18:44.04sorphindoh
18:44.30TomWI guess if she was stupid, she wouldn't be working for them? heh
18:45.02TomWprpplague: what is this shrinker thing for?  to cram more minutes onto a DVD?
18:45.33sorphinprpplague: compressed domain transcoder.. that's what dvdshrink is
18:45.57sorphinprpplague: just messes w/ the P I &/or B bits
18:48.32prpplaguesorphin: ok, still learning :)
18:48.45sorphinprpplague: yup
18:50.07prpplagueTomW: most commercial dvd are dvd-9 which can be up to 8.6gb and right now only dvd-5,which are 4.37gb , recordables are available
18:50.23TomWprpplague: right
18:50.26sorphinprpplague: a lot of the movies i've dumped tho, are not
18:50.35sorphinprpplague: some are single layer
18:50.40sorphinprp or
18:50.44prpplaguesorphin: about 1 in 5 in my collecition
18:50.47TomWprpplague: Jim has been telling me that they are going to a 30G disc format.
18:50.57prpplagueTomW: nice
18:50.58sorphinsome are dual layer, but once you rip out the cruft (menus, extra audio, etc), it fits fine
18:51.06prpplaguesorphin: exactly
18:51.51sorphinprpplague: most of what i've archived is older stuff (>= maybe 2 years)
18:54.24CosmicPenguinprpplague: do you have an experience with testing / benchmarking frameworks for graphics engines?
18:58.46prpplagueCosmicPenguin: naw, graphics and video stuff is a weak point for me
18:59.07prpplagueCosmicPenguin: doing this dvd stuff is the first i've done with graphics dev
19:00.15CosmicPenguinprpplague: There isn't much out there - my new bosses want to do something, but they keep suggesting stuff like SDL as a testing framework
19:00.38CosmicPenguinI have an model though up in my head, but it would involve lots of up front development which I don't think they want
19:01.01prpplagueCosmicPenguin: yea, from what i've used of SDL i don't care for it
19:01.06CosmicPenguinBut I'm thinking of a C based framework with dynamically loadable plugins that will exercise different parts of the engine and benchmark it
19:01.17CosmicPenguinSo you would have the fbcon module that would test the ioctls and mmap and stuff
19:01.29CosmicPenguinThen you would have the microwindows plugin that would test the line drawing and benchmark the speed
19:01.41CosmicPenguinAnd then you could add on OpenGL or SDL, or whatever from there
19:02.10CosmicPenguinBut I'm having trouble tyring to justify writing a new framework from scratch
19:02.12prpplagueCosmicPenguin: sounds like a plan, would provide a consistant tool for testing
19:04.08kergoththere must be decent test harnesses out there already
19:05.26CosmicPenguinI'm open to suggestions
19:05.50CosmicPenguinI haven't been able to find one, and the only thing the Linux Test Project provides is X11 API tests, which does us no good
19:06.30kergothcant add fbcon, etc to LTP?
19:09.55CosmicPenguinhmmm....
19:09.57CosmicPenguinThats not a bad iea
19:10.13CosmicPenguinYou could add lots of the automatic stuff
19:10.17CosmicPenguinBut none of the visual stuff
19:10.26CosmicPenguinThats a problem with graphics testing
19:10.50kergothyeah
19:11.52CosmicPenguinits one thing to test the ioclt() for setting the colormap, its another thing to make sure the damn pixel is really red
19:12.01kergothhehe
19:12.12kergothsome tests just have to be manual
19:12.22CosmicPenguinCan the LTP handle manual tests?
19:13.37kergothnot sure
19:13.49CosmicPenguinI'm not sure either
19:13.51kergothwould be nice, manually start it, then have it wait for responses at various points
19:16.20CosmicPenguinThe thing about that with graphics is, that the UI would have to be somewhere other then the VGA consle
19:16.26CosmicPenguinLike a serial console, or a network connnection
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19:23.31chouimat|busyCosmicPenguin: sound fun
19:24.09chouimat|busyhmmm the plumber is an hour late
19:24.41CosmicPenguinchouimat|busy: and you are ...surprised?
19:26.27chouimat|busyCosmicPenguin: not really but he said he will be here at 13h30 ... I need to have hot water ... last time I took a shower was monday
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19:29.15IRCMonkey__hi, is it possible to use the gnu 2.14 binutils on all the ipaqs?
19:29.17IRCMonkey__I notice that hh has there own ones, What is the diff?
19:29.50kergothuh, #handhelds.org
19:31.31CosmicPenguinOh, and have fun compling in the ipaq too
19:33.37IRCMonkey__Is it tricky?
19:33.39chouimat|busywtf???? compiling qte made my compiler segfault?
19:34.25IRCMonkey__Doesany ones had the chance to setup the binutils for Xscale?
19:35.56chouimat|busykergoth: hehe
19:36.55kergothPE/win 20
19:36.57kergothgrr
19:37.50CosmicPenguinchouimat|busy: I love compiler segfaults
19:37.58chouimat|busyCosmicPenguin: me too
19:37.59CosmicPenguinThis is why C++ can kiss my ass
19:38.32chouimat|busyCosmicPenguin: I just hope that 3.4 will better than the current and not so current (2.95.3)
19:38.56CosmicPenguinAs long as you can make your C++ ANSI compliant
19:39.46chouimat|busyCosmicPenguin: :) I should get the ANSI C++ standard manual ...
19:41.44sjhillno, you should get a clue and not program in C++
19:41.44chouimat|busyCosmicPenguin: my brother got a segfault on the gentoo bootsrap on his mac yesterday
19:41.46sjhill:P
19:42.09chouimat|busysjhill: need money to get a mac so I will do objective-c instead
19:42.49CosmicPenguinno dobut
19:43.09sjhilland sorphin calls ME a software whore
19:43.13CosmicPenguinThis is a hackers fourm - how dare you mention objective-c in here?
19:43.20CosmicPenguinNext you're probably goning to talk about java or something
19:43.46chouimat|busyCosmicPenguin: I was a smalltalk programmer in a previous life
19:48.48prpplaguejeeze some of these tawainesse sales reps can be pushy
19:48.59chouimat|busyprpplague: ?
19:49.40prpplaguechouimat|busy: we ordered some generic firewall/router boxes to load linux on, now the rep won't leave me alone
19:50.21chouimat|busyhehe
19:50.50prpplaguechouimat|busy: she seems incapable of understanding that the base package is a generic load and can be run on jsut about anything with two nics
19:53.42chouimat|busyprpplague: she's a sales rep don't ask too much
19:55.29chouimat|busyhmmm ok kernel panic on the main compile box make distcc fail the compile
19:59.04prpplaguesorphin: ripping the dvd in chapter mode seems to create alot more overhead
19:59.43sorphinprpplague: yeah, cuz it has to do more thinking
19:59.52prpplaguesorphin: file size as well
20:00.08prpplaguesorphin: chapter mode 5.8gb single title mode 4.2gb
20:01.49sorphin;)
20:02.20prpplaguesorphin: this is so much fun, i get to learn all about dvd mastering on comapny time :)
20:02.35chouimat|busyprpplague: lol
20:03.14CosmicPenguinAnd I was a bit worried - mainly for seive
20:03.23prpplaguelol
20:04.55chouimat|busybash.org/?205970 <----- WOW
20:05.04sorphinCosmicPenguin: you should be worried for him anyways, from what he says about dave anywyas ;p
20:05.28sorphinchouimat|busy: *gag*
20:07.09chouimat|busysorphin: :)
20:12.36chouimat|busyhmmm elinks rocks
20:28.44sjhillchouimat|busy: is that work viewable?
20:30.40chouimat|busysjhill: ?
20:31.40sorphinsjhill: yes, it is
20:32.38chouimat|busyhmmmm this ASUS board SUCKS .... if the kernel is compiled for Athlon is panic but if it's compiled for 386-486-586 it's ok
20:42.28sorphinchouimat|busy: seen that before
20:43.03chouimat|busysorphin: I think I will reinstall suse on it .... I never add any problem with it
20:48.31Russchouimat|busy: is it another one of those nforces?
20:51.05chouimat|busyRuss: Asus A7a266 with a tnt on it  but I use the voodoo3 as primary card
20:51.23chouimat|busysorry geforce 3
20:52.53RussALi, eh?
20:53.16Russwhich compiler?
20:53.31chouimat|busy3.2.3 ...
20:53.42Russwhich kernel?
20:53.57chouimat|busyRuss: just recompiled a vanilla kernel for 386
20:54.05Russbut what kernel version
20:55.41chouimat|busy2.4.24
20:57.19Russhmm...might be an athlon optimization bug in 3.2.3...
20:57.46chouimat|busyRuss: maybe ... I'm testing it ...
20:58.22chouimat|busyRuss: it's just annoying when it goes down in a compile
20:58.27Russmaybe 2.95.4 or 3.3.3-pre
20:58.34Russwhat does down in a compile?
20:58.41chouimat|busyRuss: the athlon
20:58.47Russit locks?
20:58.53chouimat|busyRuss: kernel panic
20:59.20Russhave you ran it through ksymoops?
20:59.40chouimat|busynope
21:01.34chouimat|busyRuss: installing it
21:16.05chouimat|busyRuss: ok athlon and framebuffer bug
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22:28.06Russ~quote rhat scox
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