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13:02.51 | sorphin | ~bitchslap sjhill |
13:02.58 | | ACTION beats the sh*t out of sjhill |
13:18.55 | sjhill | sorphin: hey wcom whore |
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13:27.00 | sorphin | sjhill: hey timesys whore |
13:27.45 | sjhill | sorphin: when is your 2nd ivw? |
14:33.39 | sorphin | sjhill: dunno yet.. gotta try the dude again today |
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14:46.08 | CosmicPenguin | morning |
14:46.42 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: hey there ice butt |
14:49.36 | CosmicPenguin | Yep, the weather outside is frightful |
14:49.43 | CosmicPenguin | but not as cold as the east coast, apparently |
14:49.55 | sjhill | yeah, it's pretty wicked cold |
14:50.12 | sjhill | i'm in pittsburgh, i guess that's east |
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15:24.56 | chouimat | sorphin: hi |
15:25.14 | sorphin | chouimat: lo |
15:31.49 | sieve | sorphin, chouimat, CosmicPenguin, guys... hello |
15:31.50 | julia | anyone going to LinuxWorld next week in NYC? |
15:32.01 | chouimat | me |
15:32.04 | CosmicPenguin | sieve: yello |
15:32.31 | julia | chouimat: really? I'll be there on Friday, if you are around we should meet up |
15:32.46 | chouimat | julia: I will be in KDE booth |
15:32.51 | julia | cool |
15:32.53 | julia | I'll say hi |
15:33.13 | julia | I'll be the big blonde girl... |
15:33.28 | CosmicPenguin | He'll be the french canadian with the "I love Celine" shirt on... :) |
15:33.30 | chouimat | julia: I will be the bald one :) |
15:33.42 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: probably more a suit |
15:34.06 | CosmicPenguin | An "I love Celine" suit? Wow |
15:34.09 | julia | I'm tall and slightly overweight |
15:35.23 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: nah, he'll have a suit w/ an i love celene tshirt under it and a tie that says it too |
15:35.39 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: no It will be a " Please God free us from Celine" |
15:38.49 | sorphin | ωνω chouimat is now known as chouimatloveceline |
15:38.52 | sorphin | :P |
15:40.33 | chouimat|busy | sorphin: that one is starting to be boring ... I allready apologize to you because we let her free as a weapon of mass destruction ... |
15:44.45 | sieve | lol |
15:50.25 | sieve | anybody in here good with the config for the bloatbot? |
15:52.09 | julia | did you guys see the thing about the math teacher arrested for boarding a plane with a protractor and compass? |
15:52.13 | julia | it was hysterical |
15:52.24 | julia | he had "Weapons of math instruction" |
15:52.26 | chouimat|busy | julia: wow |
15:52.51 | file | my step-dad was attempting to board a plane and they took away device that checks the status of the tires (depth and pressure) |
15:53.47 | file | CosmicPenguin: I did |
15:53.58 | file | I was just pointing out a similar non-funny situation that occured |
15:54.26 | CosmicPenguin | file: so you were bringing us down, then |
15:54.50 | CosmicPenguin | "Did you hear the one about the priest and the rabbi who walk in to a bar?" |
15:54.58 | CosmicPenguin | "Yeah. Did you hear about the one where my dog got ran over" |
15:54.59 | chouimat|busy | CosmicPenguin: too tired to try to understand today |
15:59.14 | julia | http://seclists.org/lists/isn/2003/Dec/0082.html |
15:59.22 | julia | for the whole thing I was talking about |
15:59.25 | julia | it's hysterical |
16:04.27 | chouimat|busy | julia: hehe |
16:28.30 | Russ | weird, somebody just sent me an email... |
16:28.38 | Russ | From: Quest Technologies <quast.torsten@quest-tech.de> |
16:28.58 | Russ | Hello Russ, I am looking for 500 PCS, AM29LV640DU90RPCI , Please let me know |
16:42.34 | andersee | Russ: heh |
16:42.45 | andersee | Russ: see that email I forwarded re udhcp? |
16:43.04 | andersee | Russ: I've not looked over it, figured you know that code better |
16:43.08 | Russ | ya, I got it, lemme read it |
16:45.07 | Russ | http://busybox.net/cgi-bin/cvsweb/busybox/networking/udhcp/script.c?r1=1.10&r2=1.11 |
16:45.42 | Russ | he claims not to see the diff in script.c 1.11 |
16:45.54 | Russ | but his diff is against a file dated 2003-12-18 |
16:46.54 | Russ | I don't think he understands the 1.10->1.11 patch |
16:52.50 | andersee | Russ: k |
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17:26.34 | prpplague | Russ: that was the change to fix my issue right? |
17:27.53 | sorphin | prpplague: yeehaw, it's the mad texan |
17:29.06 | Russ | prpplague: ya |
17:35.45 | prpplague | sorphin: btw, i spoke to the transcode ppl, they said that dvdshrink uses the same mmpeg requantizilation feature as the tcrequant in linux |
17:36.07 | sorphin | prpplague: nod |
17:36.17 | sorphin | prpplague: doesn't help me tho till i have your scripts ;) |
17:36.24 | prpplague | sorphin: :) still testing |
17:36.35 | sorphin | prpplague: heh |
17:36.37 | prpplague | sorphin: found some bugs in the menu creation for the chapters |
17:36.53 | prpplague | sorphin: alot to learn, and the documentation is non-existant |
17:37.09 | prpplague | sorphin: i.e. no man pages, no --usage, no README's |
17:37.54 | sorphin | nod |
17:38.11 | sorphin | prpplague: fine by me, i'd still like to look, i'm generally good at finding bugs ;) |
17:39.02 | prpplague | sorphin: lol, no i mean all the tools i'm using don't have those, i have to read code to get the right arguments |
17:40.22 | sorphin | prpplague: ah.. no biggie there |
17:40.25 | prpplague | sorphin: about the only info you can find is on the mailing lists |
17:40.46 | prpplague | sorphin: biggie if you are trying to do something with them, lol |
17:41.50 | sorphin | prpplague: heh |
17:42.01 | sorphin | prpplague: i'm impatient :P |
17:42.44 | prpplague | sorphin: lol |
17:42.55 | sorphin | prpplague: no probs having to read code |
17:42.58 | sorphin | i have to do that daily |
17:43.28 | prpplague | sorphin: no problem here either, its just that it takes twice as long to make it do what i want |
17:44.09 | sorphin | prpplague: indeed |
17:44.16 | sorphin | prpplague: least give me something so i can stat gathering utils atleast? :P |
17:45.42 | prpplague | sorphin: need the cvs or daily snapshots for transcode, dvdauthor, growisofs, mjpeg tools |
17:45.55 | prpplague | sorphin: need to have nasm installed |
17:46.17 | sorphin | prpplague: k, already have nasm.. |
17:46.25 | prpplague | sorphin: of course you'll need *cough* libdvdread and libdvdcss |
17:46.37 | sorphin | prpplague: already got those too ;) |
17:48.18 | prpplague | sorphin: transcode and mpjpeg tools will come will a host of lib/app requirments |
17:48.31 | CosmicPenguin | mmmm.... transcode |
17:48.45 | sorphin | prpplague: k |
17:49.46 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: if it's as nice a proc as you claim, why would that be bad? |
17:49.51 | prpplague | sorphin: other apps that are handy are, vobcopy,dvdbackup, ifoinfo, vobview |
17:50.40 | prpplague | sorphin: add if your interested in doing vcd's or ripping for playing on a pc, then dvd::rip |
17:52.07 | sorphin | prpplague: nah, i don't care for vcds.. and if i play on a peecee, i play the dvd ;) |
17:57.17 | prpplague | sorphin: this is the kind of documentation i'm talking about - http://dvdauthor.sourceforge.net/doc/dvdauthor.html |
17:57.27 | prpplague | sorphin: check out the descriptions of the arguments |
17:58.17 | sorphin | prpplague: you using james' mods, or did they get merged into dvdauthor? |
17:59.09 | sorphin | prpplague: nod |
18:00.03 | prpplague | sorphin: just using straight dvdauthor at the momment, haven't read about james mods yets |
18:00.13 | prpplague | sorphin: gonna look/read this weekend |
18:00.21 | sorphin | prpplague: k |
18:00.40 | prpplague | sorphin: i'm make significant strides about every two days, lol |
18:03.02 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: beat em down |
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18:26.37 | sorphin | TomW: afternoon old timer |
18:26.55 | TomW | morning Dan |
18:27.00 | chouimat|lunch | hi TomW |
18:27.15 | TomW | chouimat|lunch: Hi Nanuck |
18:27.58 | TomW | chouimat|lunch: would you *please* stop exporting your weather to us in the Northeast? |
18:28.38 | chouimat|lunch | TomW: it's -25C here but only -51C with the windfactor |
18:28.53 | sorphin | TomW: we could always make your snow yellow for you :P |
18:29.16 | chouimat|lunch | TomW: we have some brown snow here if you want |
18:29.34 | TomW | sorphin: naw, that is the neighborhood dogs' job. |
18:30.30 | TomW | The electronics should be here today for the pvr, I have no clue as to when the case + DVD writer will be here though |
18:31.11 | sorphin | TomW: prpplague is progressing |
18:31.23 | TomW | sorphin: that thing we talked about the other day, a hacked xawtv? it is called FsckTV |
18:31.35 | chouimat|lunch | fscktv? |
18:32.09 | TomW | chouimat|lunch: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2003-February/000630.html |
18:32.30 | sorphin | TomW: i know |
18:32.40 | sorphin | TomW: [mbm] did it |
18:32.41 | TomW | sorphin: what is prpplague progressing on? |
18:32.47 | sorphin | and iused it for a while |
18:32.56 | sorphin | TomW: the dvd copying deal/menu making, etc |
18:33.18 | prpplague | TomW: dvd9->dvd5 shrinking with no video loss |
18:33.31 | prpplague | TomW: with creation of chapter menus |
18:33.32 | sorphin | prpplague: just smaller image :P |
18:33.45 | prpplague | sorphin: negative, the image is the same size |
18:33.46 | TomW | sorphin: I think that I will prolly just subscribe to the pay channels and keep the pvr busy for a while. I don't know how long we will continue to have analog channels before they switch over. |
18:34.28 | sorphin | prpplague: no, the vob is you said, the image in the vob is smaller |
18:34.32 | TomW | prpplague: ok, dvd9 == 9gig / platter & dvd5 == 4.7G ? |
18:34.44 | sorphin | TomW: no |
18:34.49 | sorphin | well not exactly |
18:34.57 | sorphin | DVD-9 is 4.37G per layer |
18:35.02 | sorphin | dual layer |
18:35.13 | TomW | prpplague: I know the plant engineer of Warner Advanced Media Ops, they are in Olyphant PA and he is a Ham operator. |
18:35.39 | sorphin | TomW: hehe WAMO :) |
18:35.57 | TomW | I was up there last year to quote on some system that they wanted to install to track productivity. Interesting operation. |
18:36.07 | sorphin | TomW: i've lost count at how many WAMO discs i've seen |
18:36.27 | TomW | sorphin: yeah, they used to belong to Time Warner, now they have been sold to some other monster corp. |
18:37.01 | TomW | sorphin: unfortunately, the plant security is so tight that you cannot get "samples". :( |
18:37.50 | sorphin | TomW: i wouldn't care about samples.. i'd jus tlike to see how it's all done |
18:38.09 | TomW | Although, I understand that some of the engineers do sign out production CDs to "check the overall image quality". :P |
18:38.16 | prpplague | sorphin: i guess i'm not explaining it correctly |
18:38.27 | sorphin | prpplague: wouldn't be the 1st time ;) |
18:38.53 | prpplague | sorphin: yea yea |
18:38.55 | TomW | sorphin: it is a pressing operation, they take the two halves of the cd, press each one under tons of pressure, then glue them together. |
18:38.55 | prpplague | sorphin: http://zebra.fh-weingarten.de/~maxi/html/transcode-users/2003-10/msg00285.html |
18:39.42 | TomW | IIRC, they use both exterior surfaces to store data + one inner layer. |
18:39.45 | sorphin | TomW: but they make the discs too to press :P |
18:40.15 | TomW | didn't see that operation, you may be correct. IIRC it is a one million square foot plant. |
18:41.10 | TomW | last time I checked, they had 70 presses producing CDs, and I just got an order for 25 more interfaces, so they must have expanded again. |
18:41.21 | sorphin | prpplague: ....instead it takes advantage of an MPEG2 feature which allows to |
18:41.21 | sorphin | shrink the file directly; there is some quality loss, of course, but at |
18:41.22 | sorphin | least the process is very fast |
18:41.25 | sorphin | :P |
18:41.40 | sorphin | TomW: cool |
18:43.22 | TomW | I almost got a $50K order from them for the computer equipment, but one of their purchasing agents scarved that one up! She "sells" PCs to the company. I tried to disguise the order as calling them "embedded controllers running WinNT", but she caught on.. :( |
18:44.00 | TomW | oh well |
18:44.04 | sorphin | doh |
18:44.30 | TomW | I guess if she was stupid, she wouldn't be working for them? heh |
18:45.02 | TomW | prpplague: what is this shrinker thing for? to cram more minutes onto a DVD? |
18:45.33 | sorphin | prpplague: compressed domain transcoder.. that's what dvdshrink is |
18:45.57 | sorphin | prpplague: just messes w/ the P I &/or B bits |
18:48.32 | prpplague | sorphin: ok, still learning :) |
18:48.45 | sorphin | prpplague: yup |
18:50.07 | prpplague | TomW: most commercial dvd are dvd-9 which can be up to 8.6gb and right now only dvd-5,which are 4.37gb , recordables are available |
18:50.23 | TomW | prpplague: right |
18:50.26 | sorphin | prpplague: a lot of the movies i've dumped tho, are not |
18:50.35 | sorphin | prpplague: some are single layer |
18:50.40 | sorphin | prp or |
18:50.44 | prpplague | sorphin: about 1 in 5 in my collecition |
18:50.47 | TomW | prpplague: Jim has been telling me that they are going to a 30G disc format. |
18:50.57 | prpplague | TomW: nice |
18:50.58 | sorphin | some are dual layer, but once you rip out the cruft (menus, extra audio, etc), it fits fine |
18:51.06 | prpplague | sorphin: exactly |
18:51.51 | sorphin | prpplague: most of what i've archived is older stuff (>= maybe 2 years) |
18:54.24 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: do you have an experience with testing / benchmarking frameworks for graphics engines? |
18:58.46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: naw, graphics and video stuff is a weak point for me |
18:59.07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: doing this dvd stuff is the first i've done with graphics dev |
19:00.15 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: There isn't much out there - my new bosses want to do something, but they keep suggesting stuff like SDL as a testing framework |
19:00.38 | CosmicPenguin | I have an model though up in my head, but it would involve lots of up front development which I don't think they want |
19:01.01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, from what i've used of SDL i don't care for it |
19:01.06 | CosmicPenguin | But I'm thinking of a C based framework with dynamically loadable plugins that will exercise different parts of the engine and benchmark it |
19:01.17 | CosmicPenguin | So you would have the fbcon module that would test the ioctls and mmap and stuff |
19:01.29 | CosmicPenguin | Then you would have the microwindows plugin that would test the line drawing and benchmark the speed |
19:01.41 | CosmicPenguin | And then you could add on OpenGL or SDL, or whatever from there |
19:02.10 | CosmicPenguin | But I'm having trouble tyring to justify writing a new framework from scratch |
19:02.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: sounds like a plan, would provide a consistant tool for testing |
19:04.08 | kergoth | there must be decent test harnesses out there already |
19:05.26 | CosmicPenguin | I'm open to suggestions |
19:05.50 | CosmicPenguin | I haven't been able to find one, and the only thing the Linux Test Project provides is X11 API tests, which does us no good |
19:06.30 | kergoth | cant add fbcon, etc to LTP? |
19:09.55 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm.... |
19:09.57 | CosmicPenguin | Thats not a bad iea |
19:10.13 | CosmicPenguin | You could add lots of the automatic stuff |
19:10.17 | CosmicPenguin | But none of the visual stuff |
19:10.26 | CosmicPenguin | Thats a problem with graphics testing |
19:10.50 | kergoth | yeah |
19:11.52 | CosmicPenguin | its one thing to test the ioclt() for setting the colormap, its another thing to make sure the damn pixel is really red |
19:12.01 | kergoth | hehe |
19:12.12 | kergoth | some tests just have to be manual |
19:12.22 | CosmicPenguin | Can the LTP handle manual tests? |
19:13.37 | kergoth | not sure |
19:13.49 | CosmicPenguin | I'm not sure either |
19:13.51 | kergoth | would be nice, manually start it, then have it wait for responses at various points |
19:16.20 | CosmicPenguin | The thing about that with graphics is, that the UI would have to be somewhere other then the VGA consle |
19:16.26 | CosmicPenguin | Like a serial console, or a network connnection |
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19:23.31 | chouimat|busy | CosmicPenguin: sound fun |
19:24.09 | chouimat|busy | hmmm the plumber is an hour late |
19:24.41 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat|busy: and you are ...surprised? |
19:26.27 | chouimat|busy | CosmicPenguin: not really but he said he will be here at 13h30 ... I need to have hot water ... last time I took a shower was monday |
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19:29.15 | IRCMonkey__ | hi, is it possible to use the gnu 2.14 binutils on all the ipaqs? |
19:29.17 | IRCMonkey__ | I notice that hh has there own ones, What is the diff? |
19:29.50 | kergoth | uh, #handhelds.org |
19:31.31 | CosmicPenguin | Oh, and have fun compling in the ipaq too |
19:33.37 | IRCMonkey__ | Is it tricky? |
19:33.39 | chouimat|busy | wtf???? compiling qte made my compiler segfault? |
19:34.25 | IRCMonkey__ | Doesany ones had the chance to setup the binutils for Xscale? |
19:35.56 | chouimat|busy | kergoth: hehe |
19:36.55 | kergoth | PE/win 20 |
19:36.57 | kergoth | grr |
19:37.50 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat|busy: I love compiler segfaults |
19:37.58 | chouimat|busy | CosmicPenguin: me too |
19:37.59 | CosmicPenguin | This is why C++ can kiss my ass |
19:38.32 | chouimat|busy | CosmicPenguin: I just hope that 3.4 will better than the current and not so current (2.95.3) |
19:38.56 | CosmicPenguin | As long as you can make your C++ ANSI compliant |
19:39.46 | chouimat|busy | CosmicPenguin: :) I should get the ANSI C++ standard manual ... |
19:41.44 | sjhill | no, you should get a clue and not program in C++ |
19:41.44 | chouimat|busy | CosmicPenguin: my brother got a segfault on the gentoo bootsrap on his mac yesterday |
19:41.46 | sjhill | :P |
19:42.09 | chouimat|busy | sjhill: need money to get a mac so I will do objective-c instead |
19:42.49 | CosmicPenguin | no dobut |
19:43.09 | sjhill | and sorphin calls ME a software whore |
19:43.13 | CosmicPenguin | This is a hackers fourm - how dare you mention objective-c in here? |
19:43.20 | CosmicPenguin | Next you're probably goning to talk about java or something |
19:43.46 | chouimat|busy | CosmicPenguin: I was a smalltalk programmer in a previous life |
19:48.48 | prpplague | jeeze some of these tawainesse sales reps can be pushy |
19:48.59 | chouimat|busy | prpplague: ? |
19:49.40 | prpplague | chouimat|busy: we ordered some generic firewall/router boxes to load linux on, now the rep won't leave me alone |
19:50.21 | chouimat|busy | hehe |
19:50.50 | prpplague | chouimat|busy: she seems incapable of understanding that the base package is a generic load and can be run on jsut about anything with two nics |
19:53.42 | chouimat|busy | prpplague: she's a sales rep don't ask too much |
19:55.29 | chouimat|busy | hmmm ok kernel panic on the main compile box make distcc fail the compile |
19:59.04 | prpplague | sorphin: ripping the dvd in chapter mode seems to create alot more overhead |
19:59.43 | sorphin | prpplague: yeah, cuz it has to do more thinking |
19:59.52 | prpplague | sorphin: file size as well |
20:00.08 | prpplague | sorphin: chapter mode 5.8gb single title mode 4.2gb |
20:01.49 | sorphin | ;) |
20:02.20 | prpplague | sorphin: this is so much fun, i get to learn all about dvd mastering on comapny time :) |
20:02.35 | chouimat|busy | prpplague: lol |
20:03.14 | CosmicPenguin | And I was a bit worried - mainly for seive |
20:03.23 | prpplague | lol |
20:04.55 | chouimat|busy | bash.org/?205970 <----- WOW |
20:05.04 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: you should be worried for him anyways, from what he says about dave anywyas ;p |
20:05.28 | sorphin | chouimat|busy: *gag* |
20:07.09 | chouimat|busy | sorphin: :) |
20:12.36 | chouimat|busy | hmmm elinks rocks |
20:28.44 | sjhill | chouimat|busy: is that work viewable? |
20:30.40 | chouimat|busy | sjhill: ? |
20:31.40 | sorphin | sjhill: yes, it is |
20:32.38 | chouimat|busy | hmmmm this ASUS board SUCKS .... if the kernel is compiled for Athlon is panic but if it's compiled for 386-486-586 it's ok |
20:42.28 | sorphin | chouimat|busy: seen that before |
20:43.03 | chouimat|busy | sorphin: I think I will reinstall suse on it .... I never add any problem with it |
20:48.31 | Russ | chouimat|busy: is it another one of those nforces? |
20:51.05 | chouimat|busy | Russ: Asus A7a266 with a tnt on it but I use the voodoo3 as primary card |
20:51.23 | chouimat|busy | sorry geforce 3 |
20:52.53 | Russ | ALi, eh? |
20:53.16 | Russ | which compiler? |
20:53.31 | chouimat|busy | 3.2.3 ... |
20:53.42 | Russ | which kernel? |
20:53.57 | chouimat|busy | Russ: just recompiled a vanilla kernel for 386 |
20:54.05 | Russ | but what kernel version |
20:55.41 | chouimat|busy | 2.4.24 |
20:57.19 | Russ | hmm...might be an athlon optimization bug in 3.2.3... |
20:57.46 | chouimat|busy | Russ: maybe ... I'm testing it ... |
20:58.22 | chouimat|busy | Russ: it's just annoying when it goes down in a compile |
20:58.27 | Russ | maybe 2.95.4 or 3.3.3-pre |
20:58.34 | Russ | what does down in a compile? |
20:58.41 | chouimat|busy | Russ: the athlon |
20:58.47 | Russ | it locks? |
20:58.53 | chouimat|busy | Russ: kernel panic |
20:59.20 | Russ | have you ran it through ksymoops? |
20:59.40 | chouimat|busy | nope |
21:01.34 | chouimat|busy | Russ: installing it |
21:16.05 | chouimat|busy | Russ: ok athlon and framebuffer bug |
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22:28.06 | Russ | ~quote rhat scox |
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23:28.22 | [mYa]_KK_Reles | hi |
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23:48.26 | sorphin | stupid UPSes |