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| 07:24.34 | Russ | http://home.ripway.com/2004-1/51619/931541-Image02.jpg |
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| 14:39.56 | sorphin | GPSFan: morning |
| 14:39.58 | sorphin | jnork: same |
| 14:40.17 | jnork | Morning sorphin. |
| 14:40.48 | jnork | We seem remarkably free of fishbreaths at the moment. |
| 14:41.01 | sorphin | jnork: yup.. |
| 14:41.12 | GPSFan | morning... |
| 14:41.15 | julia | morning |
| 14:41.17 | sorphin | jnork: unlikely he'll be back, even if i did clear the proper ban ;) |
| 14:41.21 | jnork | heh |
| 14:41.24 | sorphin | julia: morning dvd queen ;) |
| 14:41.32 | jnork | Morning GPSFan, julia |
| 14:41.46 | sorphin | jnork: he's so set that 'we lost' since we can't harass him again and hold the webpal over his head |
| 14:41.50 | julia | my dvd burner dorked itself this weekend |
| 14:42.03 | jnork | *shrug* He's a dipshit. |
| 14:42.06 | julia | I'm afraid leaving it out in the -10 degree weather in the car was a mistake |
| 14:42.11 | jnork | :( |
| 14:42.13 | sorphin | julia: ya think? :P |
| 14:42.33 | jnork | I just got one last week. |
| 14:42.35 | sorphin | julia: you alteast let it warm up over a night |
| 14:42.39 | sorphin | julia: right? |
| 14:42.42 | jnork | Burn-Proof rocks! |
| 14:42.50 | julia | sorphin: we'll see how well the "CompUSA" we'll replace it no matter what policy works |
| 14:42.51 | sorphin | jnork: won't always save you |
| 14:42.54 | julia | sorphin: yes I did |
| 14:43.04 | sorphin | julia: k |
| 14:43.37 | julia | it keeps saying failure in power calibration |
| 14:43.45 | jnork | :( |
| 14:44.02 | sorphin | julia: on the usual riteks? |
| 14:44.03 | jnork | sorphin, it rocks anyway... don't destroy my good mood! |
| 14:44.19 | sorphin | jnork: i'm on edge atm.. can't get a hold of hte dude about the job |
| 14:44.24 | sorphin | and it's frustrating me atm |
| 14:44.27 | jnork | :( |
| 14:44.32 | julia | this is with some discs from CompUSA (which have worked fine so far) |
| 14:44.43 | jnork | I got a lead this morning... very tentative right now. |
| 14:44.48 | jnork | But I really, really do feel your pain. |
| 14:45.18 | jnork | julia, Do you have a lens cleaner? Try that once before you give up. |
| 14:45.25 | julia | 'k |
| 14:45.55 | jnork | tho if it's a new drive... well, worth a shot, I'd think. |
| 14:46.02 | julia | well, I'm off for a few meetings, I'll be back soon |
| 14:46.08 | jnork | Have fun! |
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| 15:10.52 | sorphin | pattieja: morning |
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| 15:25.08 | sorphin | mallum: re mate |
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| 15:27.03 | mallum | sorphin: yo! |
| 15:27.51 | sorphin | prpplague: morning you wild texan you |
| 15:28.24 | mallum | there was a program on tv last night about texas virgins |
| 15:28.45 | sorphin | mallum: there are virgins in TX? |
| 15:28.46 | sorphin | amazing |
| 15:29.33 | jnork | Surely even Texans aren't born deflowered. |
| 15:29.42 | sorphin | jnork: i dunno |
| 15:30.01 | jnork | <mallum> there was a program on tv last night about texas virgins <== both of them! |
| 15:30.08 | mallum | sorphin: yeah apparently they like to take this pledge of selebacy or summin and are given no sex education what so ever |
| 15:30.17 | mallum | sorphin: geroge w's idea apparently |
| 15:30.34 | mallum | sorphin: now TX has highest raid of unwanted teenage pregnancies |
| 15:30.42 | jnork | Yeah, no shit. |
| 15:31.01 | jnork | And the US has the highest rate in the industrialized world. Pretty much the same reason. |
| 15:31.20 | jnork | Have we learned anything? No. "If that doesn't work, try more of the same." |
| 15:31.58 | jnork | Complete fucking morons. |
| 15:32.09 | mallum | :/. |
| 15:33.44 | jnork | Sorry, this whole "protect our children by not teaching them anything about the real world" philosophy -- if you want to dignify it with that term -- is doing far more damage to our society than porn ever could. |
| 15:33.55 | jnork | But guess who gets the blame? |
| 15:36.03 | jnork | My kids... ok, well, Mariel doesn't really count. My daughter knows pretty much all an 11 year old is likely to understand about sex and reproduction, because we've told her frankly and without inhibitions. Well, not many, anyway. Certainly less than the average American. |
| 15:37.13 | jnork | We let her watch movies with swear words. She doesn't get into trouble at school using them. Why? Because I sat down and explained what they are, why people use them, and more or less why they're not accepted in contexts she's likely to find herself in. |
| 15:37.24 | jnork | Not ONCE did I threaten her with punishment for using them. |
| 15:38.31 | jnork | She won't need me to protect her, because she'll have her own defenses. Which she has because she's been educated, not hidden away. |
| 15:39.21 | julia | re's |
| 15:40.28 | sorphin | jnork: huh? |
| 15:41.27 | jnork | Sorry, just off on an anti-right-wing rant. Ignore me. |
| 15:41.31 | jnork | re julia. |
| 15:43.38 | jnork | Funny how being unemployed makes it harder for me to schedule around being a juror. |
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| 15:49.42 | marklwrk | i just had to mail one of those in too |
| 15:50.46 | julia | I got pulled over Friday and got a ticket |
| 15:51.17 | julia | for my car not being inspected, when I bought it was supposed to be inspected |
| 15:51.32 | julia | so the dealer is paying the ticket |
| 15:54.27 | chouimat | morning |
| 16:11.07 | jnork | hi chouimat |
| 16:11.15 | chouimat | hi jnork |
| 16:12.40 | chouimat | http://openwrt.sourceforge.net/ |
| 16:12.45 | jnork | My wife got pulled over for speeding the other day. She was just really tired from working the holiday season at Starbucks and not paying close attention (40 in a 25). The cop let her off with a warning though... she identified him by the drink he always orders at Starbucks. :) |
| 16:13.22 | jnork | "Oh, it's Officer Tall Latte blah blah." :) |
| 16:14.05 | chouimat | lol |
| 16:14.35 | jnork | Ah, that's a project digging into the Linksys gadget that's running Linux? |
| 16:14.39 | prpplague | mallum: the teen preggy rate in texas has always been very high |
| 16:15.07 | prpplague | andersee: whats the latest poop on linksys GPL violations? |
| 16:15.09 | chouimat | jnork: I have found a lot of porject for them |
| 16:15.10 | mallum | chouimat: I recommend 'best of talking heads' |
| 16:15.24 | jnork | Mail's here. |
| 16:15.43 | chouimat | mallum: currently listening to some british music: Cradle of Filth |
| 16:16.26 | jnork | No packages, tho. I love getting packages. I need to buy more stuff from eBay. :) |
| 16:16.40 | chouimat | cool I think I will stick to this stream ... Master of Puppets |
| 16:16.47 | jnork | Hmm. New Brunswick. Who the heck do we know in New Brunswick? |
| 16:16.59 | jnork | Master of Muppets? |
| 16:17.04 | jnork | Oh Puppets. Sorry. |
| 16:17.19 | chouimat | jnork: file |
| 16:18.20 | prpplague | andersee: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design6/news.html |
| 16:18.30 | jnork | Yeah, but he wouldn't be sending me snailmail. |
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| 16:18.49 | jnork | I see, it's from Bizone.org. That explains why no name on the return address sticker. |
| 16:18.51 | prpplague | andersee: have looked at that? i found what i believe to busybox strings in that .bin file |
| 16:19.06 | mallum | prpplague: its so sad all these people fucking over the GPl, especially kiss I used to think they were a really cool company |
| 16:19.08 | prpplague | andersee: i matched some to the 0.60.3 version i have |
| 16:19.24 | prpplague | mallum: yep |
| 16:20.06 | prpplague | mallum: i have to be the bad guy here on a daily basis to make sure we are always in compliance, our management has a hard time understanding GPL |
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| 16:41.44 | prpplague | mallum: is KISS a populare company there in the EU/UK ? |
| 16:42.12 | mallum | prpplague: ww.scan.co.uk sell there stuff and premote it pretty heavily |
| 16:42.28 | prpplague | mallum: ahh, i'd never heard of them before |
| 16:43.02 | mallum | prpplague: I used to think there were cool, now I think there fucking idiots |
| 16:45.26 | prpplague | sorphin: there is always something i dislike about the ui's on most dvd players, would be nice to customize them |
| 16:45.51 | sorphin | prpplague: i don't spend much time in the dvd player's UI, i'm too busy actually watching the movie(s) ;) |
| 16:46.07 | Russ | what, there is a movie on there? |
| 16:52.10 | julia | I like my 200 disc changer |
| 16:52.26 | julia | though I wish I could tie in a better remote controller like the computer |
| 16:57.09 | prpplague | sorphin: well, i have kids which means i rarely get to watch a movie without pausing or going back |
| 16:57.24 | prpplague | sorphin: so i hate it when its so difficult to get back to the spot where you left off |
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| 18:15.05 | prpplague | sorphin: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5919525899.html |
| 18:17.02 | Russ | looks a lot like the via boards, but its intel |
| 18:17.54 | prpplague | Russ: yea, i wonder what the cost is |
| 18:19.09 | Russ | http://deviceforge.com/files/misc/crusoe-mini-itx.jpg <- looks like crusoe has a mini itx board too |
| 18:20.13 | prpplague | Russ: yea, everyone is shooting for the mini boards these days |
| 18:20.58 | prpplague | Russ: guess i could get an old dvd player , gut it , and shove what i want into the case, lol |
| 18:23.27 | Russ | they make mini-itx cases specifically for media box purposes |
| 18:23.58 | prpplague | http://www.mini-itx.com/store/hush.asp?currency=2 |
| 18:24.04 | prpplague | Russ: yea, i was just looking at some |
| 18:24.16 | prpplague | Russ: for some reason i've been into multimedia lately |
| 18:24.38 | sorphin | prpplague: nod on the link |
| 18:33.43 | Russ | prpplague: you need one with at least IR on the front, if not more (like buttons, lights, text lcd, av input) |
| 18:34.43 | prpplague | Russ: yea, both of those have knock out panels for IT |
| 18:34.46 | prpplague | IR |
| 18:35.39 | Russ | front panel smart media or CF might be a plus if you have a digital camera |
| 18:36.01 | prpplague | Russ: true |
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| 18:39.18 | prpplague | Russ: you could get one of these - http://www.msdist.co.uk/th/en/products/mini-itx_cases.phtml#ms |
| 18:39.35 | prpplague | Russ: and use a floppy bay pcmcia adapter |
| 18:43.46 | prpplague | why are there are so few US sites selling mini-itx parts? |
| 18:45.06 | prpplague | Russ: http://www.travla.com/Products/C137/Images/Travla-C137-S-F+R-600.jpe |
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| 18:51.01 | Russ | that one looks really clean |
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| 18:58.47 | prpplague | Russ: price on the wyse unit is $200 for the linux edition |
| 19:00.01 | IRCMonkey___ | hi, I have been looking allover for the Xscale PXA250 documentation *I was on Intel site already " andy idea where to find them? |
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| 19:01.10 | sorphin | sieve: re x2 |
| 19:02.21 | prpplague | IRCMonkey___: which doc are you looking for? |
| 19:02.39 | IRCMonkey___ | ASM,C related (Programming) |
| 19:06.16 | prpplague | IRCMonkey___: iirc here is the link http://www.intel.com/design/intelxscale/273473.htm |
| 19:09.02 | IRCMonkey___ | Thank , I am so blind .Sorry to boderyou with whis guys :) |
| 19:10.43 | prpplague | np |
| 19:11.35 | IRCMonkey___ | Any idea how bluecat performs on Xscale? |
| 19:11.59 | prpplague | IRCMonkey___: not me, most of us here do a home brew version of things |
| 19:13.43 | IRCMonkey___ | I want to port a Xscale PDA. So far I looking for the right guy (no ported yet). |
| 19:14.31 | IRCMonkey___ | I need to use some haking technics .(That is not my forte) I am new in that fild. |
| 19:15.04 | IRCMonkey___ | I am a guy that get the things done with, drawings and the apropiet info :) |
| 19:15.54 | IRCMonkey___ | First I think that I need to undrstand the booting process and recreate the maping |
| 19:16.56 | prpplague | IRCMonkey___: my recomendation is to get something like the ipaq or z |
| 19:17.09 | IRCMonkey___ | z? |
| 19:17.10 | prpplague | IRCMonkey___: if you can find a tuxscreen on ebay would be good |
| 19:17.17 | prpplague | IRCMonkey___: sharp zaurus |
| 19:17.36 | IRCMonkey___ | zarus is at the aplication level no thx |
| 19:18.41 | prpplague | IRCMonkey___: i see it over and over, too many start on a board that hasn't been ported and they get lost really quick, try getting on that already has a port, and then do your own, if you get stuck, atleast you have something to look at to see where you are going wrong |
| 19:19.03 | IRCMonkey___ | Any idea how can I revers eng. what the booting is doing |
| 19:19.20 | IRCMonkey___ | yes you are 100% right on that |
| 19:19.41 | CosmicPenguin | wassup folks? |
| 19:26.06 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ssdd |
| 19:39.24 | sieve | brb |
| 19:57.08 | prpplague | btw, for anyone that cares, sieve's bootable cd project will be featured on techtv tonight |
| 19:58.06 | prpplague | http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/darktips/story/0,24330,3591332,00.html |
| 20:02.57 | CosmicPenguin | gooooo sieve! |
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| 20:04.33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: he's had almost 5k dl's of the iso since 6am this morning, lol |
| 20:04.50 | CosmicPenguin | wow |
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| 20:05.00 | CosmicPenguin | We have a minor celeb in our midst |
| 20:05.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lol, yea, and half the dl's are from .mil and .gov , lol |
| 20:06.08 | sorphin | prpplague: either they like the camaflauge |
| 20:06.14 | prpplague | andersee: were you checking into that KISS issue too? |
| 20:06.44 | sorphin | prpplague: or they saw the word assault |
| 20:06.44 | prpplague | sorphin: lol |
| 20:12.38 | sorphin | Russ: freak |
| 20:12.52 | Russ | what, saves my fingers a lot of effort |
| 20:13.49 | Russ | too much moving up and down in qwerty |
| 20:14.22 | sorphin | Russ: i never notice |
| 20:14.41 | sorphin | i'm typing this right now w/ my eyes closed.. and i don't even notice a thing |
| 20:15.22 | sorphin | now.. if you put me on a natural keyboard... then we'd have a problem |
| 20:15.37 | julia | I like natural keyboards |
| 20:15.48 | julia | I touch time very well, but I also home key my hands |
| 20:16.02 | julia | I learned to type in middle school on an electric type writer |
| 20:16.47 | julia | it's a shame I want to reboot my linux server at home, it's been up 237 days |
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| 20:25.12 | TomW_ | some days linux is good, other days you use 'cooker" |
| 20:28.03 | sorphin | julia: i can't stand natural, i touch type very very well.. so home'ing is detrimental to me, i've been typing most of my life, so i've just gotten used to it |
| 20:28.08 | sorphin | TomW_: sup gramps |
| 20:28.28 | TomW_ | sorphin: not much |
| 20:28.38 | TomW_ | snowing again |
| 20:28.58 | TomW_ | colder than <fill in blank> |
| 20:29.56 | sorphin | TomW_: ah |
| 20:48.17 | prpplague | sorphin: i'm with you on those natural keyboards |
| 20:48.23 | jnork | I learned to touch-type in 9th grade, which at the time and place was considered Jr. High School. |
| 20:48.49 | CosmicPenguin | I learned in 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th because they didn't have anywhere else to put me |
| 20:49.01 | CosmicPenguin | I was up to 83 WPM as a freshman |
| 20:49.21 | jnork | Unfortunately I also learned to use IBM keypunches, and then later some computer keyboards that only had one ctrl key, so I've sorta unlearned a lot. |
| 20:49.43 | jnork | I can still do it, but I've gotten lazy. |
| 20:49.56 | jnork | So I don't like the natural keyboards. :) |
| 20:50.54 | TomW_ | I use the natural keyboard, I find it easier to use. |
| 20:51.12 | jnork | I prefer unnatural keyboards! |
| 20:51.23 | jnork | In fact, I have one that's downright evil! MWAH HAH HAH HAH! |
| 20:51.51 | TomW_ | it is a MicroSoft Natural Keyboard, heh, works good on the linux box. |
| 20:52.03 | jnork | This one is a black IBM keyboard. |
| 20:52.09 | jnork | If that's not evil, I don't know what is. |
| 20:52.30 | TomW_ | ooo! doesn't show the dirty keys as well, eh? |
| 20:52.35 | jnork | heh |
| 20:53.00 | TomW_ | mine's white, I have to keep scraping the cigar scum off the keys. |
| 20:53.13 | jnork | You should see this keyboard. |
| 20:53.24 | jnork | So should I. Someday I'll clean it so I can see it. |
| 20:53.40 | TomW_ | black keys with yellowed legends, which used to be white? |
| 20:53.41 | jnork | Only problem is, the most-used keys have the letters worn off. |
| 20:53.55 | jnork | Sorry, "this" keyboard isn't my evil IBM one. |
| 20:54.31 | TomW_ | heh, so is mine, I use vi and the j, k keys have no legends on them. |
| 20:54.34 | jnork | I too have a whitish keyboard that's covered with scum. |
| 20:54.59 | jnork | "N" is almost completely gone, M and O almost. |
| 20:55.12 | jnork | afk |
| 21:02.28 | prpplague | has anyone heard if sco turned over the docs ibm wanted? |
| 21:03.08 | TomW_ | prpplague: naw, still watching groklaw for any news. |
| 21:03.15 | CosmicPenguin | Was there a gag order put on the case? I haven't heard squat lately |
| 21:03.42 | TomW_ | the deadline was to be today for SCO to show cause for the lawsuit. |
| 21:04.14 | TomW_ | ~quote scox rhat |
| 21:04.24 | TomW_ | heh |
| 21:04.34 | TomW_ | go rhat! |
| 21:04.56 | TomW_ | I bought 100 shares at $12.78 |
| 21:05.04 | prpplague | TomW_: nice |
| 21:05.07 | TomW_ | heh |
| 21:05.15 | TomW_ | 60% rise |
| 21:08.23 | marklwrk | yeah rhat has been on fire |
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| 21:30.12 | chouimat | re |
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| 23:01.01 | Russ | ~quote scox |
| 23:01.37 | Russ | Isn't sco going to pass their show it or shut up in 8 hours? |
| 23:02.43 | CosmicPenguin | I thought it was today |
| 23:03.09 | Russ | ya, I think it expires at 11:59:59pm today -0700 |
| 23:03.53 | CosmicPenguin | Groklaw has nothing |
| 23:07.02 | Russ | oh yea, it already passed |
| 23:07.08 | Russ | http://scocountdown.com/ |
| 23:07.28 | jacques | hmmmmmm |
| 23:07.31 | Russ | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20031213004518888 |
| 23:07.50 | CosmicPenguin | 11:59:59 PM GMT? |
| 23:07.55 | CosmicPenguin | Because its only 4:00 here |
| 23:08.06 | CosmicPenguin | So they still have an hour |
| 23:08.07 | jacques | maybe the got a super secret double extension |
| 23:08.08 | Russ | it expired a while ago |
| 23:08.35 | Russ | so the hearing about their failure on the 23rd |
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