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| 02:39.31 | fishhead | http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=13487 <--- yay |
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| 03:46.50 | chouimat | grrrrrr |
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| 03:59.37 | sorphin | kergoth: re |
| 03:59.42 | kergoth | hey dan |
| 03:59.43 | kergoth | how goes? |
| 03:59.51 | kergoth | or rather, how went? the interview anyway |
| 03:59.51 | sorphin | alright |
| 03:59.54 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:59.58 | sorphin | fairly sure it's mine |
| 04:00.53 | kergoth | nice |
| 04:00.56 | sorphin | kergoth: $43k (then deduct for insurance and vacation (2 weeks vac, 2 weeks holiday) |
| 04:01.19 | sorphin | my mom doesn't know how to look positive.. |
| 04:01.22 | sorphin | it's contract to hire |
| 04:01.30 | sorphin | she seems to think like a normal contract |
| 04:05.26 | sorphin | kergoth: so when's your remote-hooker show up? *grin* |
| 04:05.31 | sorphin | i know you said thurs |
| 05:23.19 | kergoth | sorphin: heh, yeah, noon tomorrow |
| 05:23.36 | kergoth | sorphin: nothing wrong with starting contract if you've got a shot at permanent.. thats how i got on at ti |
| 05:34.12 | CosmicPenguin | Nothing wrong with contract work at all |
| 05:56.51 | sorphin | yeah, she's just worried about it not lasting.. she doesn't understand |
| 05:56.52 | sorphin | ah well |
| 05:57.24 | CosmicPenguin | at this point, making it day to day is a big step |
| 05:57.34 | CosmicPenguin | every monday you wake up and your key still works, thats a good day |
| 05:57.48 | sorphin | yeah |
| 05:58.56 | CosmicPenguin | I mean, one of the biggest considerations for moving to Longmont is that the job oppertunities are good if I lose my job |
| 05:59.11 | CosmicPenguin | Better then SLC, thats for sure |
| 05:59.25 | CosmicPenguin | It means something when you're thinking ahead to the next layoffs... :) |
| 05:59.27 | sorphin | well |
| 05:59.32 | sorphin | the nice thing about where i'll be going |
| 05:59.34 | sorphin | no layoffs |
| 06:00.06 | sorphin | hell, the majority of the people |
| 06:00.09 | sorphin | have been there 25-30 years |
| 06:00.11 | sorphin | very very low turnover |
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| 06:08.40 | Russ | don't jinx em |
| 06:12.03 | sorphin | Russ: don't believe in that |
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| 12:52.48 | sorphin | mallum: mornin mate |
| 12:52.53 | sorphin | ~fishslap sjhill |
| 12:52.57 | | ACTION slaps sjhill up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 12:59.41 | sjhill | lo' missourite |
| 13:00.18 | sorphin | sjhill: if for some reason i didn't get this job, it's your fault for sending out your mipsy vibes *grin* |
| 13:01.05 | sjhill | hey i just told you to smile, but it is a known fact that people who work on MIPS do smile more |
| 13:01.20 | sorphin | sjhill: cuz they're insane? ;) |
| 13:01.40 | sjhill | yeah, pretty much 8-) |
| 13:02.23 | sorphin | and as soon as the sled gets here, it'll get a friend |
| 13:02.28 | sjhill | did you buy the graphics? |
| 13:09.58 | sorphin | sjhill: no |
| 13:10.24 | sjhill | oh, that's right |
| 13:11.36 | sorphin | yup |
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| 14:33.58 | GPSFan | sorphin: mornin' |
| 14:54.56 | CosmicPenguin | Hey folks |
| 14:55.02 | jnork | fnord! |
| 14:56.45 | sjhill | lo' CosmicPenguin |
| 15:06.08 | CosmicPenguin | My damn cat has made a career out of piddling on the carpet, so I need to go all "This old House" today and replace it |
| 15:06.30 | CosmicPenguin | The carpet, not the cat |
| 15:08.30 | jnork | I dunno... I think you have your priorities wrong |
| 15:08.57 | jnork | BTW, consider stopping at a pet store and picking up something called Nature's Miracle |
| 15:09.01 | CosmicPenguin | We all know what you think |
| 15:09.09 | jnork | seriously |
| 15:09.20 | jnork | it's fucking GREAT for getting rid of urine smell |
| 15:09.52 | sjhill | which you wouldn't have to do if you quit lifting your leg on your couch |
| 15:10.16 | CosmicPenguin | Nature's Miracle |
| 15:10.21 | CosmicPenguin | Got it |
| 15:10.34 | jnork | There's another one that works just as well, but I always forget the name |
| 15:10.38 | jnork | hold on I'll go look |
| 15:11.18 | jnork | Simple Solution |
| 15:11.26 | jnork | It's slightly cheaper and has a mild perfume |
| 15:11.45 | jnork | In both cases, you have to treat the area and then LET IT DRY |
| 15:12.06 | jnork | it's absolutely imperative that you let it dry, it's the drying process that gets rid of the smell |
| 15:12.49 | jnork | and if it's bad, it'll really smell awful while it's drying, but once it's dry, you'll be amazed |
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| 15:13.28 | CosmicPenguin | Thansk |
| 15:13.42 | jnork | My daughter is autistic and we've had trouble toilet-training her... that stuff has kept our bed and hers from smelling like old piss |
| 15:13.51 | CosmicPenguin | I'm still going to replace that section of carpet, but it will be nice to have a backup |
| 15:13.52 | jnork | No problem |
| 15:13.56 | jnork | *nod* |
| 15:14.07 | sjhill | *sigh* |
| 15:14.16 | prpplague | jnork: my son is adhd, we had lots of problems as well |
| 15:14.18 | sjhill | why does everyone have to write their own fricking rtc driver for the same chip |
| 15:14.52 | jnork | Consider checking the floor under the carpet, it might have soaked through... use this stuff to treat it before you put down the new carpet |
| 15:15.20 | CosmicPenguin | The floor underneath is concrete, no worries there |
| 15:15.20 | prpplague | sjhill: i've wondered that myself |
| 15:15.26 | jnork | *nod* |
| 15:15.30 | CosmicPenguin | And I'm replacing the pad and the tack strip |
| 15:15.35 | jnork | Of course |
| 15:15.38 | prpplague | sjhill: as well as ts drivers for a/d chips |
| 15:15.44 | sjhill | exactly |
| 15:15.47 | prpplague | sjhill: you get you tftp dtuff working? |
| 15:16.01 | sjhill | no, i ended up getting something else to work |
| 15:16.10 | sjhill | i mean, i didn't try what you said |
| 15:16.16 | sjhill | i should for future usage |
| 15:16.17 | jnork | Yeah, well why does every manufacturer have to create a different protocol for every one of their 3000 printers? |
| 15:16.34 | sjhill | indeed |
| 15:16.50 | CosmicPenguin | If everything was simple and used a common interface, would any of us have a job? |
| 15:16.54 | sjhill | i mean, what's the point? they're making all their money off of the ink cartridges |
| 15:16.59 | sjhill | not the printers |
| 15:17.07 | jnork | We should come up with a unified driver, based on PS maybe, and they should just all use it... would make life a lot simpler |
| 15:17.24 | jnork | s/driver/protocol |
| 15:17.32 | sjhill | oddly enough, i spent the last 3 evenings getting CUPS working on all my printers...i love CUPS |
| 15:19.08 | sjhill | it gives me a warm fuzzy |
| 15:21.52 | prpplague | sjhill: tftp is not a good protocol for sending to a server, just for future reference |
| 15:22.55 | prpplague | sjhill: if you need to send files with low security risk without authentication, using netcat is a good solution |
| 15:24.30 | sjhill | prpplague: the problem was that i wanted a copy of the customer's ramdisk image, but it was in a SREC and then only network utility it had was tftp client |
| 15:24.45 | sjhill | prpplague: and i couldn't NFS mount |
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| 15:26.05 | sorphin | i will be so glad when i can give my notice |
| 15:26.10 | sorphin | and tell this place to fsck off |
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| 15:28.47 | prpplague | sjhill: ahh, and no nc available? |
| 15:29.00 | sjhill | prpplague: nc? |
| 15:29.05 | prpplague | sjhill: netcat |
| 15:29.05 | sjhill | oh, netcat, no, nothing |
| 15:29.09 | prpplague | sjhill: bummer |
| 15:29.20 | sjhill | really really basic uclibc/busybox initrd |
| 15:29.26 | prpplague | sjhill: gotcha |
| 15:34.16 | sorphin | prpplague: shame routers have to use tftp, as do network os installs on SGI/sparc/other types of remote boot installs |
| 15:34.28 | sjhill | ain't that the truth |
| 15:34.42 | sjhill | sgi's firmware, in general, sucks |
| 15:34.49 | sjhill | afa net booting |
| 15:34.58 | sjhill | they tried multiple times to fix the tftp stuff |
| 15:36.58 | sjhill | man, front line assembly rocks |
| 15:39.15 | pattieja | nc is cool |
| 15:39.23 | pattieja | morning prpplague sjhill sorphin |
| 15:39.29 | sjhill | howdy howdy |
| 15:39.31 | prpplague | pattieja: morning |
| 15:39.40 | CosmicPenguin | Wow - that software for viewing the mars stuff is pretty cool |
| 15:39.45 | CosmicPenguin | Its java, so its slower then dirt |
| 15:39.46 | pattieja | anybody here played with InterMezzo filesystems? |
| 15:39.55 | CosmicPenguin | But other then that |
| 15:40.04 | pattieja | CosmicPenguin: which dirt? |
| 15:40.06 | prpplague | sorphin: remote booting is what tftp was really designed for |
| 15:40.14 | pattieja | CosmicPenguin: the dirt on Mars or elsewhere? :Dddd |
| 15:40.22 | prpplague | sorphin: sending files to to the server isn't exactly well supported |
| 15:41.33 | prpplague | sorphin: our first generation thin clients used etherboot along with a tftp server to boot directly from the nic |
| 15:43.46 | prpplague | lovely - http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4240098076.html |
| 15:44.51 | CosmicPenguin | damn seat licences |
| 15:46.40 | prpplague | its a very sad when there are 20+ ads in paper for pipe wielders starting at $40/hour, and not a single tech job listing |
| 15:47.38 | CosmicPenguin | I can wield a pipe, but I sure can't weld one... :) |
| 15:50.04 | sorphin | prpplague: well, routers also use it to send files too (i.e. copies of the config) |
| 15:50.09 | sorphin | the other choice, is SNMP |
| 15:50.21 | sorphin | and some people still don't like using it (not me, i prefer using it) |
| 15:50.53 | sorphin | odd |
| 15:51.01 | sorphin | i keep getting mail that ends up frozen |
| 15:51.05 | sorphin | to odd address on my domain |
| 15:51.18 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:51.20 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:51.23 | sorphin | among others |
| 15:51.38 | sorphin | time to just blackhole anything that doesn' exist so exim will shut up |
| 15:52.35 | sorphin | tho i dunno how i can w/o affecting my .forward alasing (i.e. i have things set up like dans-ebay, dans-nospam, etc) |
| 15:52.46 | sorphin | anyone else here an exim'er? |
| 15:58.24 | marklwrk | not expert enough to help unfortunately |
| 16:04.55 | prpplague | sorphin: yep, but its not the ideal way of sending files |
| 16:05.32 | sorphin | prpplague: i know.. scp is :P |
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| 16:16.30 | mallum | haha |
| 16:16.48 | sorphin | mallum: afternoon mate |
| 16:17.04 | mallum | sorphin: hello sir |
| 16:19.29 | sorphin | mallum: hows tricks? |
| 16:20.22 | mallum | sorphin: so so. keep playing call of duty when I should be working :/ |
| 16:23.49 | mallum | call of duty is sooooooooo good |
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| 17:13.20 | sorphin | TomW_: morning old timer |
| 17:18.01 | CosmicPenguin | Just for fun |
| 17:23.25 | TomW_ | sorphin: hey, good morning |
| 17:23.58 | sorphin | TomW_: good morning? you musta made some $ today :P |
| 17:24.01 | sorphin | to make it good |
| 17:29.58 | TomW_ | sorphin: yeah, one could only hope. I seem to be leaking more money than I am taking in lately. Another ASUS A7N8X board is locking up with a customer running Win2K. So, I have to eat that board and replace it with another Tyan S2495 board. :( |
| 17:30.15 | Russ | tyan is a good choice too |
| 17:30.22 | Russ | buying anything nforce was a huge mistake |
| 17:30.53 | TomW_ | Russ: yeah, I feel so much better now running the Tyan, it has run for 36 hours without problems. |
| 17:31.35 | TomW_ | Russ: I am running an NVIDIA TNT2 display card, that card will be history soon. I agree, nvidia is a bad way to go! |
| 17:32.31 | TomW_ | Already had X freeze with that nvidia tnt video card. The system did not lock, I ssh'ed in from another machine and shut X down. |
| 17:36.46 | Russ | I'm starting to think that companies that do not release specs, have horrific errata to hide |
| 17:51.57 | CosmicPenguin | seesh... women |
| 17:52.12 | TomW_ | lunch time! Wheeeoooo! Yabba dabba do! |
| 17:52.36 | sorphin | TomW`food: my GF 4 4800 has given 0 probs, and my old TNT, never a prob |
| 17:53.10 | TomW`food | :( maybe NVidia doesn' like me? |
| 17:54.43 | sorphin | prolly just the driver version |
| 17:54.48 | sorphin | some work ,some don't |
| 17:56.58 | sjhill | nah, i think Nvidia hates him |
| 17:57.57 | TomW`food | sjhill: but I am such a "nice guy". O:) |
| 17:58.42 | sjhill | sorphin: you want my mailing address don't you |
| 17:59.27 | sorphin | sjhill: no, i just want newer irix ;p |
| 17:59.44 | sjhill | heh |
| 17:59.55 | sorphin | sjhill: if i wanted your address, i could prolly find it in ~5 mins or less :P |
| 18:11.23 | prpplague | ok guys, i'm having a brain cramp, what the hell is the command to set xhost authorizations? |
| 18:11.34 | sjhill | xhost +<hostname> |
| 18:12.08 | prpplague | hmm thats what i thought, wonder why i'm getting an error |
| 18:12.18 | sjhill | are you doing it over ssh? |
| 18:13.13 | prpplague | yea |
| 18:13.30 | sjhill | i would suggest doing 'ssh -v' and make sure X forwarding by ssh is working |
| 18:14.16 | prpplague | sjhill: now, i'm trying to open the app on a different display, one running on the console |
| 18:14.46 | prpplague | sjhill: i must be missing something |
| 18:18.39 | sorphin | prpplague: and you ran the xhost + hostname command, on the box you're trying to export the display to |
| 18:18.41 | sorphin | ? |
| 18:18.47 | prpplague | sorphin: yep |
| 18:19.04 | sjhill | what did you set DISPLAY to on your remote machine? |
| 18:21.14 | prpplague | sjhill: the remote machines open x session has :0.0 |
| 18:21.29 | prpplague | sjhill: which i'm using as the display variable |
| 18:21.40 | prpplague | sjhill: (testing) xeyes -display :0.0 |
| 18:22.25 | sjhill | i thought you had to specify the host too |
| 18:23.43 | prpplague | sjhill: tried that too |
| 18:24.08 | prpplague | xeyes -display localhost:0.0 as well as hostname:0.0 |
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| 18:28.46 | DOOM | Hi, Doesany one knows an old PDA with and ARM on it?. I would like to port it to linux if it has the right architecture |
| 18:30.07 | prpplague | DOOM: most of the "old" pda's that can be ported with linux, have pretty much already been done |
| 18:30.49 | DOOM | SH3 that has an StrongARM is not it? |
| 18:31.08 | prpplague | DOOM: no SH3 is a mips design |
| 18:31.21 | prpplague | DOOM: much like StrongArm is an ARM design |
| 18:31.54 | DOOM | So looks like I am a little to late to the porting deal ;( |
| 18:32.00 | prpplague | DOOM: ha |
| 18:32.07 | prpplague | DOOM: there are always things to port linux too |
| 18:32.20 | file | could always try to make a better port, or like prpplague said - go in another direction and port something else |
| 18:33.01 | DOOM | Well I am considering cell phone, put I could not find any info about it |
| 18:33.11 | prpplague | sjhill: ahhh, got it, freaking redhat's bastard version of gdm |
| 18:33.42 | DOOM | any recomendations. |
| 18:33.43 | prpplague | DOOM: i'd say you probably need to start with a device that has already been ported if its your first time |
| 18:33.54 | prpplague | DOOM: that way if you get stuck you can see how its done |
| 18:34.10 | DOOM | Yes it is , What divice did you recomend |
| 18:34.11 | DOOM | ? |
| 18:34.47 | prpplague | DOOM: depends on how in depth you wanna get |
| 18:36.11 | DOOM | Something that gives me the ARM9+PDA enviroment background and be able to really port a device |
| 18:36.41 | DOOM | just like Steve from NINO did |
| 18:36.50 | prpplague | DOOM: not gonna get that wuth just one device, lol |
| 18:37.19 | prpplague | DOOM: price range? |
| 18:39.55 | DOOM | unexpensive |
| 18:40.02 | DOOM | I am an average guy |
| 18:40.12 | prpplague | DOOM: you'll have to qualify inexpensive |
| 18:42.27 | prpplague | DOOM: are you gonna want some help from the manufacturer? |
| 18:42.38 | DOOM | 200 -300 |
| 18:44.07 | prpplague | DOOM: i assume you've not compiled stuff for arm before right? |
| 18:45.32 | DOOM | Gnu tools/linker elf okay |
| 18:46.09 | DOOM | By the way thanks for give me some direction I really need it, thx |
| 18:46.37 | prpplague | DOOM: i don't know about any one else, but i'd recomend starting with some like the zaurus sl-5500 or an sa-1110 based ipaq |
| 18:46.48 | prpplague | DOOM: your gonna need alot of help getting started |
| 18:47.08 | prpplague | DOOM: and porting linux from scratch isn't exactly for newbies to embedded devices |
| 18:47.23 | prpplague | DOOM: its not like the x86 world |
| 18:48.12 | DOOM | zarus it is already ported |
| 18:48.32 | DOOM | I mean is linux already |
| 18:48.50 | DOOM | What do you mean with is not the same that x86 |
| 18:48.58 | DOOM | ? |
| 18:49.33 | prpplague | DOOM: there are many things you will have to "unlearn" from the x86 world |
| 18:50.15 | prpplague | DOOM: your best bet is to get a device that is already ported, learn a little, then try again for a device to port to |
| 18:51.13 | DOOM | And arm vs any other risk device, Is it a big diff? |
| 18:52.54 | prpplague | DOOM: generally speaking each cpu arch has its on way of doing things |
| 18:53.31 | prpplague | DOOM: even between manufactures of cpu arch's there are differences in the way they do things |
| 18:54.17 | prpplague | DOOM: intel uses jtag on just about all of their arm cores, howeve cirrus logic has a whole different method of debugging and memmory loading |
| 18:55.00 | DOOM | does the sa-1110 have a jtag? |
| 18:55.46 | prpplague | yep |
| 18:57.25 | sorphin | prpplague: heh, speaking of ARM |
| 18:58.14 | sorphin | prpplague: the RAID controllers in this PowerVault I got for my array |
| 18:58.14 | sorphin | prpplague: have SA-110s on them |
| 18:58.32 | prpplague | sorphin: yea, we have a whole series of external raid cabinets that are arm core powered |
| 18:59.22 | DOOM | I guess that the hardest part on porting the WinCE device is the bootloader. |
| 18:59.56 | prpplague | DOOM: thats not too bad, that been documented pretty well |
| 19:00.18 | prpplague | DOOM: main problem is that manufacturers can do many things with the io's available on the cpu |
| 19:00.33 | prpplague | DOOM: and they don't have to tell you squat about it |
| 19:01.30 | DOOM | Which bootloader do you recomend me to use as a ref in order to port a CE dev |
| 19:01.32 | DOOM | ? |
| 19:02.18 | prpplague | DOOM: there are about 10 that available to you |
| 19:03.02 | prpplague | DOOM: uboot and blob are my prefered arm based bootloaders |
| 19:03.12 | prpplague | DOOM: but uboot does other arch's too |
| 19:03.35 | DOOM | but how do you kill CE? |
| 19:03.55 | DOOM | Do you need something like ipaq does isn't |
| 19:04.30 | prpplague | DOOM: thats what jtag is for |
| 19:04.43 | prpplague | DOOM: jtag allows you to load the bootloader directly |
| 19:04.59 | DOOM | Okay |
| 19:04.59 | prpplague | DOOM: there are other programs that run under wince to load the bootloader |
| 19:05.32 | prpplague | DOOM: probably need to try getting linux on an ipaw |
| 19:05.32 | prpplague | ipaq |
| 19:05.32 | DOOM | I will |
| 19:05.33 | prpplague | DOOM: would give you a basic understanding of the obsticles involved |
| 19:05.46 | DOOM | You are a walking librery |
| 19:06.31 | prpplague | DOOM: not quite, just have time to talk today, lol |
| 19:06.42 | DOOM | Why some guys choose X distro and other Y? |
| 19:06.59 | DOOM | I was under the impression that as long has you have the kernel you are okay |
| 19:09.08 | prpplague | DOOM: kernel is just one step |
| 19:09.28 | prpplague | DOOM: there are many utilities, libraries, and file system arragements that can be used |
| 19:10.03 | DOOM | and what is next after kernel |
| 19:11.10 | prpplague | DOOM: you have to get things like the lcd working, power management, i/o ports like cf ,sd card,and usb, |
| 19:11.21 | prpplague | DOOM: tons of fun fun stuff |
| 19:12.36 | DOOM | But some of them aren't they alreay included in the kernel, The lcd driver for sure not |
| 19:13.19 | prpplague | DOOM: not really |
| 19:13.34 | prpplague | DOOM: if its one that has already been done, yes, but a new port no |
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| 19:17.46 | DOOM | No the things are more clear |
| 19:18.59 | DOOM | :) |
| 19:21.45 | DOOM | Can I use the same binutils for all the ARMS or StongArms? |
| 19:22.11 | prpplague | DOOM: for most arms |
| 19:23.56 | DOOM | Going back to the cell phone porting. Why nobody has fully port a cell phone. Isn't close to a PDA, Beside the phone features? |
| 19:24.15 | Russ | it doesn't have the flash or ram for one |
| 19:24.27 | Russ | for two, they are far, far from an open design with specs |
| 19:24.59 | prpplague | DOOM: in addition you have to have some cooperation from the manaufacturer and most cell phone companies don't want you anywhere near their internals |
| 19:25.25 | DOOM | Yes your right |
| 19:25.27 | prpplague | DOOM: the closets your gonna get with a cell phone running linux is one based on a omap |
| 19:26.29 | DOOM | Does moest of the ARM base PDA have Flash on them? |
| 19:26.55 | prpplague | DOOM: yea |
| 19:27.26 | prpplague | DOOM: almost all have flash as well as ram, however the amount varies |
| 19:27.48 | prpplague | DOOM: i.e. my linksys wlan ap only has 512kflash and 2mb ram |
| 19:28.26 | prpplague | DOOM: while thats enough to embedded a verticle application its not very flexible for other usages |
| 19:28.58 | DOOM | Well is probably because the img is zipped and unzipped on RAM |
| 19:29.36 | prpplague | DOOM: thats correct, but even that is extrememly small, even for using uclinux and uclibc |
| 19:35.37 | DOOM | does the Intel PXA is an ARM? |
| 19:40.13 | sjhill | DOOM: yes |
| 19:40.21 | sjhill | DOOM: Xscale |
| 19:41.09 | DOOM | thx |
| 19:45.40 | prpplague | sjhill: lol, ripping dvd's to svcd over ssh :) |
| 19:46.09 | sjhill | that's really sick man |
| 19:46.58 | CosmicPenguin | this is prpplague in a nutshell |
| 19:47.21 | prpplague | sjhill: lol |
| 19:47.29 | prpplague | sjhill: yep thats me |
| 19:48.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: "borrows" a cdjuke box from work |
| 19:48.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: holds 100 cd's |
| 19:48.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: or dvds |
| 19:49.40 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: put one dvd in and 4 blank cd's, script rotates the cd/dvd as needed |
| 19:52.48 | CosmicPenguin | fun |
| 19:54.18 | prpplague | brb |
| 20:06.12 | DOOM | thanks alot guys for all specially prpplague, and sjhill |
| 20:06.16 | DOOM | bye now |
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| 20:32.46 | sorphin | prpplague: re hillbilly |
| 20:39.47 | fontenot | anyone care to bet this is linux based? http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040108/lath036_1.html |
| 20:40.55 | fontenot | I bet the bastages will only have windows server support though |
| 20:42.31 | prpplague | fontenot: i bet the bastages have linux on it |
| 20:42.41 | fontenot | prpplague, me too |
| 20:43.03 | prpplague | fontenot: you see the news over at mplayerhq? |
| 20:43.14 | prpplague | fontenot: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design6/news.html |
| 20:44.16 | fontenot | yes this sort of thing makes me extremely angry |
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| 20:51.37 | Russ | Compensation: |
| 20:51.37 | Russ | 30000-35000/Hour |
| 20:51.42 | Russ | holy crap, I want that job |
| 20:52.33 | DOOM | Do you sale drugs or what for such $$? |
| 20:53.05 | Russ | no, you work for a company that can't even get simple job postings right |
| 20:53.56 | DOOM | Count me in :) :) .As long tha I don't have to use $Win |
| 20:56.43 | Russ | 'The available position will be a combination of LAN management maintaining a network consisting of:' |
| 20:56.43 | Russ | (bunch of windows stuff listed below) |
| 20:57.01 | DOOM | Is it Redhat and Debian the only 2 guys that have more ARM support in there distros |
| 20:57.04 | DOOM | ? |
| 20:58.41 | Russ | I dunno, I know debian does |
| 21:00.30 | sorphin | never seen RH arm |
| 21:00.34 | sorphin | just debian |
| 21:00.34 | prpplague | DOOM: most companies that support arm are embedded specialists like lineo, timesys (sjhill *wink*), montavista |
| 21:00.50 | Russ | I just sent an email to mvista |
| 21:00.53 | sorphin | prpplague: s/lineo/motorola/ |
| 21:01.35 | prpplague | sorphin: yea yea, i can't seem to remember them as anything else |
| 21:01.53 | prpplague | lol, sco rep just called |
| 21:02.01 | prpplague | :D |
| 21:02.35 | prpplague | wanted to know if we'd be interested in being part of "sco unix success store" project |
| 21:02.47 | prpplague | i was ROFTL |
| 21:05.53 | DOOM | prpplague:but lineo,montavista are not for free |
| 21:07.04 | prpplague | DOOM: yep |
| 21:07.14 | sorphin | prpplague: that's funny |
| 21:07.48 | prpplague | DOOM: embedded dev is very specialized, ppl who can do it don't want to work for free all the time :) |
| 21:07.50 | DOOM | montavista has a contract with motorola to work on there cell phones |
| 21:11.08 | sorphin | that's funny since motorola already has their own company now w/ lineo whe nthe bought em |
| 21:12.03 | DOOM | The world is a crazy place to live :) |
| 21:14.20 | sjhill | sorphin: motorola was after the tools stuff, they didn't really care about the kernel engineers |
| 21:14.29 | sorphin | ah |
| 21:15.14 | sjhill | okaaay |
| 21:15.26 | sjhill | that is something you wouldn't know |
| 21:15.36 | DOOM | I heard that the gentoo guys are working on ARM as well |
| 21:16.02 | sjhill | if you ever run into a problem where you can do pings and nfs root, but you cannot do any tcp, check to make sure that bit 0 in the upper octet of the mac address is not set |
| 21:16.12 | sjhill | otherwise the tcp layer thinks all packets are broadcast |
| 21:16.19 | sorphin | DOOM: gentoo.. blech |
| 21:17.08 | Russ | people actually want to compile their entire system on arm? |
| 21:17.19 | Russ | do they enjoy watching grass grow or something? |
| 21:17.34 | sjhill | nah, they're just plain S-T-U-P-I-D |
| 21:18.05 | DOOM | I guess is what the portable dev are hedding |
| 21:19.38 | CosmicPenguin | jnork: I like the arrogance of the Natures Miracle label |
| 21:19.48 | CosmicPenguin | it literally says "if you still smell urine, then you messed up" |
| 21:20.08 | DOOM | Why ARM and not PowerPC ? is it power consumtion deal? |
| 21:20.55 | Russ | ibot: seen jnork |
| 21:20.59 | | jnork is currently on #elinux (7h 59m 9s). Has said a total of 21 messages. Is idling for 6h 3m 35s |
| 21:21.59 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: I'm moving to Denver, and selling my condo in the process |
| 21:22.15 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: and while going through, I discovered that my cat has been peeing on the rug for god knows how long |
| 21:22.35 | CosmicPenguin | So I'm replacing the carpet, but jnork told me about a cat urine remover called "Natures Miracle" |
| 21:22.58 | Russ | thats like my new house, the unused bedroom was where a cat stayed, they never cleaned the litter box aparently, so the cat didn't like using it |
| 21:23.03 | Russ | I'll try that |
| 21:23.08 | Russ | is it at the supermarket? |
| 21:23.15 | CosmicPenguin | Petsmart |
| 21:23.21 | sjhill | yeah, that day is over |
| 21:23.25 | Russ | I'm worried in my case that its completely seeped through to the concrete |
| 21:24.03 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: thats the problem I have. Since we're going to give our new buyers a carpet allowance anyway, I'm just replacing that one part of the carpet so it looks somewhat presentable |
| 21:24.17 | CosmicPenguin | So I pulled up carpet and pad, and I'm saturating the concrete as we speak |
| 21:24.29 | CosmicPenguin | Then, new pad, new carpet, and bada-bing, almost good as new |
| 21:28.04 | Russ | ah, ok |
| 21:28.31 | DOOM | netwinder |
| 21:28.32 | DOOM | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.32 | DOOM | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.32 | DOOM | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.35 | Russ | The main concern I had when I moved in is replumbing with copper instead of polyb |
| 21:28.39 | DOOM | sorry guys |
| 21:29.26 | DOOM | thoes are the ARMs suported by Debian |
| 21:29.52 | DOOM | What about Xscale |
| 21:30.08 | Russ | it'll support more than that |
| 21:30.12 | Russ | you'd just need your own kernel |
| 21:30.57 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: you bought a fixer uper, then I take it |
| 21:31.14 | CosmicPenguin | In colorado, I'm going for new... I'm just not handy enough to take care of an aging house |
| 21:31.24 | DOOM | I just got the lst from debian |
| 21:31.50 | Russ | not really, just had polyb piping, and some bad residents for a year (cats+smoking+no lawn work) |
| 21:31.59 | Russ | so I painted the intereor too |
| 21:32.05 | Russ | luckily, most of the house is tile |
| 21:32.09 | CosmicPenguin | whew |
| 21:33.16 | DOOM | Russ: So if I have my own kernel am I able to use any distro ? |
| 21:33.32 | Russ | no, the distro needs to be compiled for arm32 |
| 21:33.45 | Russ | (as apposed to 26, iirc) |
| 21:35.02 | DOOM | So let say that I want to us ARM10. I have to modify the deian kernel and compiled for amr32 |
| 21:35.22 | DOOM | or shall I get a vanilla one |
| 21:36.28 | Russ | arm10? |
| 21:36.32 | Russ | no I'm not talking about the arm version |
| 21:36.42 | Russ | there is a 26bit arm (very old) and a 32bit arm |
| 21:36.49 | Russ | I'm not very familiar with 26 bit arm stuff |
| 21:36.59 | sorphin | Russ: hey arm boy.. what's an SA-110? |
| 21:37.12 | Russ | some pci version of the strongarm or something |
| 21:37.21 | sorphin | nod |
| 21:37.23 | sorphin | makes sense |
| 21:37.32 | Russ | DOOM: you just need a kernel compiled for your board really |
| 21:37.33 | DOOM | Isn't an Xscale |
| 21:38.06 | Russ | sorphin: (I could be wrong) |
| 21:38.17 | DOOM | LCD,GPIO,Network,etc |
| 21:44.10 | DOOM | So shall I get the kernel from arm.linux.org.uk and work on it and keep adding stuff. Insted of getting the whole thing from a distro? |
| 21:46.22 | Russ | ? |
| 21:46.36 | Russ | you always should base arm kernel development off of -rmk |
| 21:47.24 | sorphin | Russ: well, considering what it's in |
| 21:47.34 | sorphin | Russ: and some of the other parts are intel PCI to PCI bridges |
| 21:47.37 | sorphin | Russ: makes sense |
| 21:48.04 | DOOM | rmk? |
| 21:51.02 | sorphin | DOOM: rmk = Russ M King |
| 21:51.06 | sorphin | mr Arm to you |
| 21:51.19 | DOOM | Mr ARM? |
| 21:51.29 | sorphin | DOOM: nevermind... |
| 21:51.31 | DOOM | yes with upper case |
| 21:51.46 | DOOM | yes I know who is he |
| 21:52.15 | DOOM | http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/ |
| 21:52.21 | sorphin | DOOM: i know that :P |
| 21:52.34 | DOOM | Google is my friend |
| 21:52.36 | DOOM | :) |
| 21:52.41 | sorphin | DOOM: that's nice |
| 21:57.27 | TomW_ | sorphin: did you remember to smile and say "yes sir" this morning? |
| 21:57.43 | TomW_ | sorphin: as opposed to "yup" |
| 21:57.49 | sorphin | TomW_: this morning? |
| 21:58.18 | TomW_ | sorphin: didn't you go out for some interview? |
| 21:58.36 | sorphin | TomW_: uh.. yeha.. yesterday.. and if i said yes sir, i'd get frowned at.. it was a chick :P |
| 21:58.47 | TomW_ | heh |
| 21:59.11 | TomW_ | sorphin: ok, I lost a day somewheres |
| 21:59.26 | sorphin | TomW_: must be an age thing ;) |
| 21:59.34 | TomW_ | nvidia thing |
| 21:59.59 | sorphin | TomW_: uh huh, your brain runs on an NForce chipset? |
| 22:00.01 | sorphin | :P |
| 22:00.06 | sorphin | that explains it all |
| 22:00.08 | TomW_ | sorphin: apparently |
| 22:00.27 | TomW_ | sorphin: must be the reason for the brain-farts. |
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| 22:04.47 | prpplague | TomW_: got your pvr-250 running under linux yet? do ya? do ya? do ya? |
| 22:05.08 | TomW_ | prpplague: down boy! Down! |
| 22:05.11 | TomW_ | sheesh |
| 22:05.25 | TomW_ | prpplague: nope, still doing customer crap |
| 22:06.37 | TomW_ | prpplague: I've been thinking about it, I have a disk copy running right now on a remote machine. Once that copy oepration is finished, I'll shutdown and install the PVR-250 card. |
| 22:07.02 | prpplague | TomW_: ok, just curious, i'd like to get one soon |
| 22:07.53 | TomW_ | prpplague: apparently the card uses both the bttv stuff from bytesex.org and ivy-tv driver from ivtv.sf.net |
| 22:08.06 | TomW_ | confusing |
| 22:09.35 | TomW_ | prpplague: I am using a cheap-o V-Stream card right now: $36 |
| 22:10.23 | TomW_ | uh oh, got to run. bbl |
| 22:19.03 | DOOM | thanks guys and see ya |
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| 22:43.34 | CosmicPenguin | Woo-hoo |
| 22:43.59 | CosmicPenguin | Not only am I getting paid for this contract, but I'm also getting a brand new Ipaq 5555 in exchange for my old 3600 clunker |
| 22:48.33 | Russ | ooh, Sr linux kernel developer, 70k-120k |
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| 22:52.52 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: take it! |
| 22:53.29 | Russ | ya, I'm going through an online list of about 540 engineering jobs in AZ |
| 22:54.05 | Russ | 70k goes a *long* way in phx |
| 22:55.41 | Russ | I saw one opening that 50% travel to places like the UK and japan |
| 22:55.41 | Russ | kinda sounded like it'd be fun to do for a while |
| 22:59.33 | Russ | lockheed martin is hiring like crazy (or at least posting for positions like crazy) |
| 22:59.55 | jacques_gone | is it stupid because they should be xcompiling? I think that's everyone's eventual goal |
| 23:25.17 | CosmicPenguin | what fun - laying carpet |
| 23:47.46 | Russ | really? |
| 23:47.51 | Russ | you can come to my place later |
| 23:48.06 | CosmicPenguin | I was being a bit sarcastic |
| 23:48.12 | CosmicPenguin | This suxors |
| 23:48.38 | Russ | wear shoes and don't step on the tack strips |
| 23:49.02 | CosmicPenguin | Its a difficult hallway, and I'm having trouble getting it cut out |
