| 00:00.03 | chouimat | hmmm this is the last I ate in front of the tv ... 7 ads for the new celine dion perfume ... I think I will be sick |
| 00:01.09 | marklwrk | heh |
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| 00:41.18 | CosmicPenguin | I always have trouble figuring out the relationship between X font names and the actual damn filename |
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| 01:10.17 | chouimat | shit 103F ... I think I will go sleep early tonight |
| 01:11.31 | chouimat | night |
| 01:12.25 | signal11 | Many people, understandably, think of XML as the invention of an evil genius bent on destroying humanity. |
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| 01:14.14 | chouimat | signal11: nah doing 103F of temp and havingflu is what will destroy humanity |
| 01:15.44 | signal11 | chouimat: yikes |
| 01:16.16 | signal11 | try to breathe away from utah, please |
| 01:24.18 | chouimat | signal11: no problem I'm 150kmn east of Quebec City ... I have more changes of giving it to file |
| 01:24.32 | andersee | chouimat: works for me |
| 01:24.36 | andersee | chouimat: ;-) |
| 01:25.16 | CosmicPenguin | signal11: whats with the old school nick? |
| 01:25.36 | chouimat | andersee: even my cat is staying away from me ;) |
| 01:25.58 | chouimat | anyway I'm going to see if I have some stuff to cure me ... |
| 01:27.22 | signal11 | CosmicPenguin: i'm not sure. i configured this irc client like 2 years ago |
| 01:27.35 | signal11 | note that marklwrk is still connected |
| 01:27.56 | CosmicPenguin | ahh |
| 01:45.34 | chouimat | ok i'm off cu all tomorrow |
| 02:57.14 | CosmicPenguin | Can you say hemi? |
| 03:12.47 | andersee | busybox 1.0.0-pre4 is released... |
| 03:14.59 | file | but I just started porting pre3 to freebsd |
| 03:15.00 | file | argh :p |
| 03:15.02 | file | you did this on purpose |
| 03:19.22 | andersee | file: heh |
| 03:19.45 | andersee | file: fortunately, the changes shouldn't be too terribly hard to merge |
| 03:27.57 | file | uh huh, rrrrrrrrrrrright |
| 03:40.29 | chouimat | file: next time you the cvs version :) |
| 04:06.39 | file | chouimat: I was tempted |
| 04:07.04 | file | well, abydos is partially back up... |
| 04:07.12 | file | I wonder if the RAID array survived |
| 04:08.33 | file | cool, it did |
| 06:39.21 | Russ | "A computer game still hasn't made you cry. I think we'll crack that problem in the next 5 years and it'll be a watershed event for our business." |
| 06:41.35 | TomW | Russ: yeah, it'll give the ladies something else to do than watch LifeTime TV |
| 06:42.28 | TomW | or, maybe they will be basing the games on WinCE and you'll cry when it crashes? |
| 07:03.52 | sorphin | heh |
| 07:03.54 | sorphin | proly |
| 07:05.58 | TomW | sorphin: maybe now that they have the feedback joystick they are going to include subliminal imagery to invoke emotion from the players? |
| 07:07.18 | sorphin | heh |
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| 14:31.15 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:31.17 | sjhill | ~ibot whaleslap chouimat |
| 14:31.20 | | ACTION slaps chouimat upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 14:31.32 | sjhill | lo' chouimat |
| 14:36.42 | sjhill | hmmm, i don't know, it just felt good |
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| 14:37.43 | chouimat | no don't thanks me it's free |
| 14:38.13 | sjhill | heh |
| 14:38.18 | sjhill | really sorry to hear you have the flu |
| 14:38.25 | sjhill | it's really bad around here too |
| 14:38.40 | sjhill | i think one or two children have already died |
| 14:39.06 | chouimat | sjhill: first time in a long time I got 103F last night ... now it's a little lower but not enough ... |
| 14:39.26 | sjhill | crap |
| 14:40.13 | chouimat | sjhill: and I have a client to see this afternoon ... yesterdeay -5C and now about 8C but it rain ... -8C tomorrow no wonder why we will get sick |
| 14:40.39 | sjhill | *nod* |
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| 14:41.28 | chouimat | anyone tried the intel c++ compiler version 8.0? |
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| 14:48.04 | sorphin | ~bitchslap sjhill |
| 14:48.08 | | ACTION beats the sh*t out of sjhill |
| 14:48.44 | sjhill | sorphin: hey putz |
| 14:51.34 | sorphin | sjhill: slackey |
| 14:52.31 | sorphin | sjhill: sup? |
| 14:52.54 | sjhill | MIPS crapiness |
| 14:53.17 | sjhill | for the first time, i'm forced to use a HW probe |
| 14:53.20 | sorphin | sjhill: crapiness? i thought you *loved* MIPS :P |
| 14:53.24 | sjhill | i do |
| 14:53.38 | sjhill | but it's the silicon vendors that screw it up |
| 14:53.49 | sorphin | sjhill: who this time? |
| 14:53.57 | sjhill | i should NOT have to add NOP's in TLB miss handlers |
| 14:54.04 | sjhill | sorphin: can't say |
| 14:54.27 | sorphin | sjhill: heh, not like there's a zillion choices :P |
| 15:18.44 | CosmicPenguin | mallum_: I'm not sure if this has been fixed in CVS, but if no font is specified in mbdesktop, it defaults to 'Sans Serif-8:bold'. Shouldn't that be #ifdefed with USE_XFT and 'fixed'used for non XFT builds? |
| 15:19.34 | mallum_ | CosmicPenguin: yeah your right |
| 15:19.55 | sorphin | mallum_: afternoon mate |
| 15:20.01 | mallum_ | sorphin: fuck off |
| 15:20.13 | mallum_ | sorphin: oh... I mean hell there young fella |
| 15:20.46 | CosmicPenguin | What are they striking against? |
| 15:20.51 | sorphin | chouimat: striking against celine? |
| 15:21.21 | sorphin | chouimat: who btw.. last night on the billboard awards looked.. exceptionally nasty |
| 15:21.45 | chouimat | sorphin: don't know was sick with 103F of fever so I stayed in bed ... |
| 15:21.54 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: got a picture? |
| 15:22.06 | sorphin | chouimat: hair was.... light light blond, and the dress didn't leave much :P |
| 15:22.25 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: nope, and dunno if anyone takes pics at billboard |
| 15:23.00 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: probably not worth it |
| 15:23.11 | chouimat | sorphin: the strike is against a modification of the Quebec works law ... so technically every working member of the big union don't work today so Quebec is nearly closed till tomorrow at noon |
| 15:24.15 | chouimat | sorphin: we start too look more like France everyday |
| 15:26.01 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: you start to smell like em too |
| 15:26.15 | CosmicPenguin | :) |
| 15:26.25 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: no I know what a shower is ... it's the bidet I have a problem with |
| 15:26.35 | mallum_ | bidets rock |
| 15:26.45 | sjhill | i've never tried one |
| 15:26.58 | sjhill | maybe when i'm in EU again |
| 15:27.04 | CosmicPenguin | My parents had one when i was a kid - a very interesting concept |
| 15:27.15 | mallum_ | we have one at my moms |
| 15:27.21 | sorphin | mallum_: there's a thing over here now called the washlet by toto.. basically an electronic toilet thing that does it at the push of a button |
| 15:27.22 | mallum_ | dont think its ever been used |
| 15:27.35 | mallum_ | the toilets in Japan are nuts |
| 15:28.12 | chouimat | mallum_: I liked the toilet in switzerland ... they have a small robotic arm that clean the seat after every usage |
| 15:28.34 | mallum_ | thats nice |
| 15:29.11 | sorphin | mallum_: this one puts the seat down by itself, the seat is heated, it has a warm spray and apparently an osillating one for your gf :P |
| 15:29.14 | sorphin | or wife |
| 15:29.17 | sorphin | as the case may be |
| 15:30.07 | chouimat | wow\ |
| 15:32.25 | CosmicPenguin | That would freak me out |
| 15:33.40 | chouimat | now we need one that detect when a pet enter the bathroom and flush before it drink in it |
| 15:34.07 | CosmicPenguin | mallum_: why does minitime need Xft? Is that easily changeable? |
| 15:34.26 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: all I want to do is train my next cat to use the toilet |
| 15:34.57 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: I tried with mine .... and give up ... i think learning MFC is easier |
| 15:35.24 | mallum_ | CosmicPenguin: Cos minitime automatically calculates font size based on the size of the parent panel. I was too lazy to rewrite the code for the X core font case |
| 15:36.44 | mallum_ | CosmicPenguin: the desktop does set font based on XFT; |
| 15:36.47 | mallum_ | #ifdef USE_XFT |
| 15:36.47 | mallum_ | #define FONT_DESC "Sans Serif-7:bold" |
| 15:36.47 | mallum_ | #define FONT_TITLE_DESC "Sans Serif-8:bold" |
| 15:36.47 | mallum_ | #else |
| 15:36.47 | mallum_ | #define FONT_DESC "fixed" |
| 15:36.49 | mallum_ | #define FONT_TITLE_DESC "fixed" |
| 15:36.50 | chouimat | http://www.westmiller.com/fairvote2k/IN_GERRY.HTM <--- what is this? |
| 15:36.51 | mallum_ | #endif |
| 15:42.21 | CosmicPenguin | mallum_: mbdesktop.c:850 if (!font_user_set) font_def = "Sans Serif-8:bold"; |
| 15:43.56 | mallum_ | CosmicPenguin: ok, Im crap |
| 15:44.13 | mallum_ | CosmicPenguin: I like to make defines and then never actually use them ... |
| 15:45.21 | mallum_ | CosmicPenguin: I have fixed it. will commit in a mo |
| 15:46.04 | CosmicPenguin | mallum_: :) |
| 15:55.33 | CosmicPenguin | I reallly want to keep this image under 8MB, so I can use genext2fs... |
| 15:58.50 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: what do you use for CFs then? |
| 15:59.14 | mallum_ | CosmicPenguin: what are you making the image for ? |
| 15:59.46 | CosmicPenguin | mallum_: C3 based platform with CF media |
| 16:00.32 | mallum_ | CosmicPenguin: c3 as in mini-itx |
| 16:00.44 | CosmicPenguin | mallum_: yep |
| 16:01.10 | CosmicPenguin | mallum_: And about the platform, let me just say that these people make telecommunications equipment, and there's a picture of the space shuttle on their home page |
| 16:01.11 | sorphin | what little i use cf/sm/sd/mmc, etc.. it's usually fat, on normal things i use xfs |
| 16:02.02 | mallum_ | CosmicPenguin: you will have to give me bigger clue |
| 16:02.16 | sorphin | ~cluebat mallum_ |
| 16:02.19 | | ACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps mallum_. |
| 16:02.35 | mallum_ | ~cluebat himself |
| 16:02.39 | | ACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps himself. |
| 16:02.50 | CosmicPenguin | mallum_: its telecommunications equipment for coordinating rocket lanuches |
| 16:02.50 | mallum_ | I just had 3 chocolate bars in a row |
| 16:03.05 | mallum_ | CosmicPenguin: matchbox will be launching rockets ? |
| 16:04.20 | CosmicPenguin | mallum_: uh, no. |
| 16:04.48 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i'd hope not |
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| 16:05.21 | CosmicPenguin | mallum_: its just for telecommunications. Somebody has to say "5-4-3-2-1" |
| 16:05.29 | mallum_ | CosmicPenguin: so what is it your making ? |
| 16:06.22 | CosmicPenguin | mallum_: from a computer standpoint, all I'm doing is making a linux distro that will run a Tcl/Tk based application |
| 16:06.41 | sorphin | it's.... |
| 16:06.45 | mallum_ | CosmicPenguin: ok, with mb and wm |
| 16:06.51 | mallum_ | s/and/as/ |
| 16:06.55 | sorphin | an Alludium Q36 Explosive Space Modulator |
| 16:06.58 | CosmicPenguin | mallum_: exactly |
| 16:07.18 | chouimat | sorphin: ? |
| 16:07.22 | mallum_ | CosmicPenguin: cool |
| 16:07.24 | CosmicPenguin | mallum_: nothing too fancy - its the propriatary hardware that makes this stuff cool, but this platform won't even get to play with that |
| 16:07.38 | CosmicPenguin | mallum_: they have to connect to the rest of the telecom network via the ethernet |
| 16:07.47 | mallum_ | ok |
| 16:08.00 | mallum_ | CosmicPenguin: is it a private job or through centuary ? |
| 16:08.08 | CosmicPenguin | mallum_: century is d-e-a-d - this is all me |
| 16:08.33 | mallum_ | CosmicPenguin: cool |
| 16:08.52 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: trying to live up to your name CP? |
| 16:09.19 | CosmicPenguin | cp? |
| 16:09.38 | sjhill | no, Century Pulverizer |
| 16:10.17 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: no, *cosmic*penguin |
| 16:10.27 | sorphin | dealing w/ rocket stuff :P |
| 16:10.59 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: usually if i type CP, bitchx expands it to cosmicpenguin |
| 16:19.04 | CosmicPenguin | The rottentomatoes reviews of LoTR are a thing of beauty |
| 16:19.11 | marklwrk | actually the "cosmic penguin" was a head shop here in salt lake, fwiw |
| 16:19.31 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/TheLordoftheRingsTheReturnoftheKing-1127213/ |
| 16:19.32 | marklwrk | i think jordan just liked the name and the penguin-linux association |
| 16:19.36 | CosmicPenguin | marklwrk: its gone now |
| 16:19.42 | CosmicPenguin | mallum_: but thats where I got the name |
| 16:19.49 | marklwrk | CosmicPenguin: yeah "operation pipe dreams" must have scared them away |
| 16:20.01 | marklwrk | it would sure as shit scare me away |
| 16:20.12 | sorphin | marklwrk: um.. 'head shop'... i'm not asking |
| 16:20.18 | CosmicPenguin | marklwrk: sugarhouse is lousy with head shops anyway |
| 16:20.28 | marklwrk | sorphin: they sell "tobacco" products |
| 16:20.31 | marklwrk | bongs etc |
| 16:21.01 | marklwrk | ashcroft spent like 3 years trying to crack down on them, successfully |
| 16:21.27 | marklwrk | tommy chong had an internet site selling glass pipes and got 9 months in a federal pound-you-in-the-ass prison. |
| 16:21.52 | marklwrk | since he is a terrorist, i guess |
| 16:22.02 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: in salt lake, head shops are usually the only places where you can buy decent cigars and the more expensive and specialized cigarettes |
| 16:22.44 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: the term 'head shop' sounds more like a place you'd 'buy' something else ;p |
| 16:22.50 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: plus, the usual stoner accessories - black lights, goth t-shirts, bumper stickers with crude and amusing sayings on them |
| 16:23.58 | CosmicPenguin | We always used to hit the liquor store on 4th S and 3rd W, and then stop by Knuckeheads for a cigar on the way back up to the university |
| 16:44.23 | chouimat | wooohooo my whiteboard over jabber works!!!! |
| 16:46.54 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: that sounds like a fun toy |
| 16:49.31 | mallum_ | chouimat: did you write it yourself ? |
| 16:49.43 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: yup fun to do ... |
| 16:50.06 | chouimat | mallum_: yes ... currently now it's just a side project for another one ... |
| 16:51.35 | chouimat | mallum_: CosmicPenguin one component of my support for distributed team in kdevelop |
| 17:01.12 | mallum_ | chouimat: ok, what jabber lib did you use ? |
| 17:01.24 | chouimat | mallum_: xmpp |
| 17:03.13 | chouimat | now I wondering how to share the content of the editor window so I can add pair programming support :) |
| 17:28.31 | chouimat | ok enought toying ... back to some usefull programming .... |
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| 17:52.19 | CosmicPenguin | Wierd |
| 17:52.23 | CosmicPenguin | THats the first time I ever managed to segfault xchat |
| 17:57.27 | CosmicPenguin | mallum_: in honor of Matchbox, I'm migrating all the Pixil graphics to .PNGS |
| 17:57.28 | MonMotha | bah, I've segfaulted xchat before |
| 17:57.50 | CosmicPenguin | unfortunately, Nano-X png handling has a huge bug, and I haven't been able to track it down yet... :) |
| 17:58.16 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: pixil is currently using what? |
| 17:58.40 | CosmicPenguin | gifs |
| 17:59.03 | mallum_ | CosmicPenguin: :-)) |
| 17:59.05 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: basically because GIF and XPM are the only built in image formats that MW understands |
| 17:59.12 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: the rest use external libraries |
| 17:59.17 | chouimat | ok |
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| 17:59.55 | CosmicPenguin | Personally, I would rather use .PNG, but that means another dependency for the various buildroots |
| 18:00.57 | mallum_ | CosmicPenguin: it wouldn't be that hard to add gif support to matchbox |
| 18:01.05 | chouimat | kergoth: got my white board over jabber app working this morning ... and I won't show the code to anybody ... i think lineo kernel code is a work of art in comparaison |
| 18:01.12 | mallum_ | CosmicPenguin: assuming you have code to load a gif into an rgba array |
| 18:01.16 | kergoth | chouimat: hah |
| 18:01.21 | mallum_ | kergoth: hey! |
| 18:01.30 | kergoth | hey mallum_ |
| 18:01.32 | kergoth | how goes? |
| 18:01.35 | mallum_ | kergoth: I need to send you my key |
| 18:01.50 | mallum_ | kergoth: thought you already had it for oe ... but it seems not ? |
| 18:02.24 | kergoth | hmm, dont recall. try pushing to openembedded@openembedded.bkbits.net:packages |
| 18:02.33 | kergoth | if it fails, re-email me the sshv1 pub key |
| 18:03.02 | chouimat | kergoth: and I think I will rewrite it to use svg as internal format |
| 18:03.12 | CosmicPenguin | mallum_: why bother - PNG is better |
| 18:03.39 | kergoth | mm svg |
| 18:03.52 | mallum_ | kergoth: oh yeah I do a bk push |
| 18:04.13 | mallum_ | kergoth: someone needs to hack a nice svg lib thats not full of doubles ... |
| 18:04.39 | kergoth | heh, true that |
| 18:04.50 | mallum_ | ERROR-BAD CMD: push_part1, Try help |
| 18:05.04 | kergoth | paste teh command you used. |
| 18:05.13 | mallum_ | just bk push |
| 18:05.28 | kergoth | .. |
| 18:05.33 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.33 | kergoth | 12:02 <@kergoth> hmm, dont recall. try pushing to |
| 18:05.33 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.50 | kergoth | your parent is wrong. read what i said again |
| 18:06.00 | kergoth | either use bk parent to change it, or just pass that as the cmdline argument to bk push |
| 18:07.27 | mallum_ | bk parent openembedded.bkbits.net:packages ? |
| 18:08.59 | kergoth | can you read what i wrote again? |
| 18:09.07 | kergoth | i gave you the *exact* ssh style url to use |
| 18:09.20 | mallum_ | so just that after bk push ? |
| 18:09.37 | kergoth | yes. |
| 18:09.43 | kergoth | dont change your parent since you dont yet know if it works. |
| 18:09.50 | mallum_ | kergoth: who got out of the wrong side of bed this morning ? |
| 18:09.55 | kergoth | parent changes your repos so that bk push without argument goes there, but also affects bk pull as well |
| 18:10.04 | kergoth | well, i didnt feel lke pasting it a third time |
| 18:10.16 | mallum_ | hehe, sorry |
| 18:10.23 | mallum_ | Im a bit rusty on bk |
| 18:10.31 | mallum_ | but I have nice stuff to commit |
| 18:10.47 | mallum_ | its asking me for a password, so I'll mail you my v1 key ? |
| 18:10.53 | kergoth | yep |
| 18:10.57 | kergoth | bk push and pull both obey parent |
| 18:11.04 | kergoth | and both can accept an alternate one on the cmdline |
| 18:11.43 | mallum_ | kergoth: here something to cheer you up : http://handhelds.org/~mallum/compopics/ |
| 18:12.05 | kergoth | mallum_: heh, dont mind me, i've been in an all day meeting |
| 18:12.15 | kergoth | bleh |
| 18:12.52 | mallum_ | kergoth: okey sent you the key |
| 18:13.34 | kergoth | cool |
| 18:20.35 | mallum_ | kergoth: did you get the key ? |
| 18:21.02 | kergoth | yeah, in windows atm, dont have my keys here to add you, will do so in a few when i boot back into linux |
| 18:22.39 | mallum_ | kergoth: np, just ping me when ready |
| 18:23.12 | kergoth | WILL DO |
| 18:23.14 | kergoth | er |
| 18:23.16 | kergoth | damn capslock |
| 18:29.39 | CosmicPenguin | For some reason, when Xfbdev is exiting, I lose my vt switching ability |
| 18:31.15 | sorphin | kergoth: all day meeting? you pretending to be Tim again? |
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| 18:48.13 | CosmicPenguin | mallum_: one interesting thing about this exercise is that its for a finger driven touchscreen |
| 18:48.30 | kergoth | finger driven? i hope you have bigass buttons |
| 18:49.46 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: exactly - its not a situation that Matchbox has been in before, IIRC |
| 18:50.06 | CosmicPenguin | or rather, AFIAK |
| 18:50.14 | CosmicPenguin | or whatever |
| 18:50.16 | kergoth | could almost leave the buttons fairly small but teach the UI to allow a "fuzziness" around a touch rect |
| 18:50.27 | kergoth | "oh, he was close enough to that.. click.." |
| 18:50.35 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:50.35 | mallum_ | CosmicPenguin: You could make a matchbox theme with BIG ASS buttons |
| 18:51.26 | CosmicPenguin | mallum_: thats my goal |
| 18:51.36 | CosmicPenguin | Or rather not my goal, but somebody with artistic talent |
| 18:51.49 | CosmicPenguin | mallum_: your advice |
| 18:52.00 | kergoth | hmm. i take a short lunch break, and get caffeine instead of food. |
| 18:52.04 | kergoth | something is wrong with this picture |
| 18:52.16 | CosmicPenguin | mallum_: this is going to be a situation where there are only a few apps that need to be spawned. Is it better to use mbdesktop, or monolauncher on the panel |
| 18:52.31 | CosmicPenguin | with some sort of appropriate background color other then black |
| 18:56.26 | mallum_ | CosmicPenguin: background color ? |
| 18:56.33 | mallum_ | CosmicPenguin: single instances of the apps ? |
| 18:57.08 | mallum_ | brb |
| 19:06.38 | CosmicPenguin | mallum_: es |
| 19:07.22 | mallum_ | CosmicPenguin: back |
| 19:08.18 | sjhill | front |
| 19:08.37 | CosmicPenguin | grrr... |
| 19:08.55 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: no, the correct answer was 'left' |
| 19:09.19 | mallum_ | CosmicPenguin: do the apps you need to launch be single instances of themeselves ? |
| 19:09.23 | CosmicPenguin | mallum_: yes |
| 19:09.49 | mallum_ | CosmicPenguin: and there using some old school toolkit ? |
| 19:10.09 | CosmicPenguin | mallum_: tcl/tk, baby |
| 19:10.24 | CosmicPenguin | mallum_: don't worry about the notify stuff - its not an issue |
| 19:11.47 | mallum_ | CosmicPenguin: you could run a massive panel ( --size 48 or summin ), with lots of monolaunches for apps. Ditch mbdesktop and just use xsetroot or summin for a pretty background |
| 19:12.14 | CosmicPenguin | mallum_: thats what I was thinking too. |
| 19:12.56 | chouimat | ~change 1 cad to usd |
| 19:13.18 | mallum_ | CosmicPenguin: or alternatively you could run the desktop with big ass icons and patch it to do single instance like monolaunch ( not that hard to hack in ) |
| 19:14.41 | CosmicPenguin | gah! |
| 19:14.54 | chouimat | http://linuxtoday.com/security/2003121101126NWCDSV |
| 19:23.15 | Russ | ~quote scox |
| 19:23.31 | Russ | staging attacks for fun and profit |
| 19:23.38 | CosmicPenguin | Wow, that gradient is nice |
| 19:23.41 | CosmicPenguin | mallum_: good job, man |
| 19:24.02 | Russ | ~quote djia |
| 19:24.19 | Russ | anyway, the djia is about to break 10k again |
| 19:24.54 | Russ | er, nm, it just did and the poped back down |
| 19:29.59 | TomW | ~quote rhat scox lu |
| 19:29.59 | Russ | wait, back up |
| 19:32.29 | CosmicPenguin | mallum_: beautiful |
| 19:33.18 | CosmicPenguin | mallum_: Having clients that want me to work with the VIA board has been useful, because I'm slowly but surely creating an working media box environment |
| 19:33.44 | mallum_ | CosmicPenguin: you should see my tv :-) |
| 19:34.29 | mallum_ | CosmicPenguin: I have a plugin for the desktop that uses libxine - thumbnails and plays movies, plays oggs, mp3s with visuals etc |
| 19:34.58 | CosmicPenguin | mallum_: hey, I was going to write one of those! |
| 19:35.07 | mallum_ | and I have an image browser plug in too |
| 19:35.20 | CosmicPenguin | mallum_: I guess i'll just have to dumb MB then, and do it in pxil |
| 19:35.26 | mallum_ | hehe |
| 19:35.35 | mallum_ | CosmicPenguin: you can use the mb one |
| 19:35.41 | mallum_ | CosmicPenguin: its open source |
| 19:35.49 | mallum_ | CosmicPenguin: just havn't released anything yet |
| 19:35.51 | CosmicPenguin | mallum_: yeah, but getting there is half the fun, atleat for me |
| 19:36.00 | mallum_ | CosmicPenguin: well it still needs work |
| 19:36.14 | mallum_ | bbiab dinner time |
| 19:36.20 | CosmicPenguin | mallum_: since I have no artistic talent, I can only write code. if other people write the code for me, then the only changes I can make are artistic ones |
| 19:36.27 | CosmicPenguin | Where's the fun in that? |
| 19:43.33 | CosmicPenguin | sigh - I love the way these matchbox plugins are structured |
| 19:44.58 | CosmicPenguin | Now if I do the same thing with Pixil, I'll be a no good idea stealer |
| 19:45.11 | CosmicPenguin | stupid brain - be more creative |
| 19:45.11 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:45.28 | kergoth | no good idea stealer = smart lazy person who doesnt reinvent wheels unnecessarily |
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| 19:56.04 | TomW | more likely == person who won't mess with a good thing. |
| 19:56.18 | kergoth | that too :) |
| 19:56.21 | kergoth | hey pb_ |
| 19:56.35 | pb_ | kergoth: afternoon |
| 19:56.41 | kergoth | how goes it? |
| 19:57.12 | pb_ | not bad. been debugging some new hardware today. |
| 19:57.24 | kergoth | ahh fun |
| 19:57.28 | kergoth | stuck in an all day meeting myself |
| 19:57.35 | pb_ | heh, nice. |
| 19:57.46 | kergoth | people keep playing bzflag in the back |
| 19:57.47 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:58.04 | pb_ | :-) |
| 20:03.32 | CosmicPenguin | TomW, kergoth: Nope, just a lazy no good idea stealer |
| 20:04.40 | TomW | pretty hard on yourself aren't you? give yourself credit for knowing a good thing when you see it or you'll decay into a mediocre programmer! |
| 20:04.53 | TomW | EGO |
| 20:06.24 | CosmicPenguin | whatever - it just fuels the critics who claim that different graphical engines are useless |
| 20:06.53 | CosmicPenguin | sue me for thinking that an original idea now and again isn't a bad idea |
| 20:07.12 | kergoth | if the original idea has an advantage, and isnt just done for the sake of being different, then yeah |
| 20:07.19 | kergoth | if its the latter, its just foolishness |
| 20:12.38 | sjhill | TomW: hey Tommy are you around? |
| 20:13.23 | TomW | sjhill: yeah |
| 20:15.14 | sjhill | TomW`food: i haven't even google'd yet, but i need a jtag and/or ejtag breakout connector |
| 20:15.34 | sjhill | essentially i want to be able to create custom jtag connections without having to wire a new cable for every different board |
| 20:15.43 | sjhill | am i making sense? |
| 20:16.04 | TomW`food | yeah, but |
| 20:16.34 | TomW`food | seems like there is no "standard" way of pinning out the JTAG, is there? |
| 20:16.49 | sjhill | right, that's the problem i'm running into |
| 20:17.08 | TomW`food | like, traces go every which way that is convenient |
| 20:17.17 | sjhill | i have two different boards that have the jtag pins different |
| 20:17.24 | TomW`food | nod |
| 20:17.57 | Russ | ~quote scox |
| 20:18.11 | sjhill | ~quote rhat |
| 20:18.13 | sjhill | ~quote ibm |
| 20:18.31 | TomW`food | sjhill: a breakout is an interesting idea, what you going to do, use pluggable wire jumpers, or maybe banks of header jumpers? |
| 20:18.41 | sjhill | *nod* |
| 20:18.52 | sjhill | i was hoping someone already had a product |
| 20:18.57 | sjhill | crap, i should patent this |
| 20:19.00 | sjhill | blah |
| 20:19.13 | CosmicPenguin | hmm.... aparently MW can't handle any pngs that aren't 24 bit |
| 20:19.47 | TomW`food | you know the problem is that some are SIP, others DIP, with various pin spacings: 2.54mm vs 2mm |
| 20:19.54 | CosmicPenguin | that falls solidly into the no bueno category |
| 20:19.55 | sjhill | yup :) |
| 20:20.00 | sjhill | one of my boards has dip |
| 20:20.04 | sjhill | the other has both dip and sip |
| 20:20.35 | TomW`food | I think you're screwed |
| 20:20.43 | sjhill | oh goodie |
| 20:21.18 | TomW`food | IMO, you'll have to end up soldering some kind of a connector so why not take the time to pin it out properly? |
| 20:21.42 | sjhill | i don't have a problem with that, it's just i'm going to end up making 2 or 3 different cables |
| 20:22.22 | TomW`food | only thing that you might use is something like an IPC ribbon cable with a DIP receptacle on one end and then strip the wire of the other end of the ribbon to tack solder the 30ga wire onto the jTAG connector. |
| 20:23.16 | TomW`food | sjhill: what about using 16 / 14 pin DIP (0.300 center) ribbon jumpers. |
| 20:24.39 | TomW`food | you know the type, they are board-to-board type thingys that plug into IC sockets. You can purchase the pre-assembled jumper from a number of sources, cut it in half, strip the wire and solder it to the JTAG connector that mates with the target JTAG header? |
| 20:25.08 | sjhill | i could do that |
| 20:26.00 | TomW`food | 30ga wire won't take a lot of abuse, it will break easily. But, once you get it electrically wired and working, then you can stabilize the wire connection (solder point) by lathering it with Coil Dope (RF Dope). |
| 20:26.21 | TomW`food | I like coil dope! |
| 20:26.34 | sjhill | hey, everyone has their favorite drug |
| 20:26.37 | TomW`food | that and crazy glue! |
| 20:28.09 | sjhill | what is coil dope? i'm searching and haven't found anything definitive |
| 20:28.20 | TomW`food | sjhill: I did one jtag hookup (for the tux) using molex pins + header shroud, what a pain that was when you don't have the proper crimper |
| 20:28.39 | sjhill | *nod* |
| 20:28.52 | TomW`food | sjhill: what was your callsign again? It is used to build rf equipment. |
| 20:30.06 | TomW`food | sjhill: you could probably pick up Model Airplane Dope and do the same thing. Coil Dope is electrically + magentically neutral. |
| 20:30.18 | sjhill | ah |
| 20:30.24 | TomW`food | sjhill: goto your neighborhood hobby shop. |
| 20:30.30 | sjhill | oh oh oh |
| 20:30.33 | sjhill | yes |
| 20:30.40 | sjhill | i know what it is no |
| 20:30.41 | sjhill | w |
| 20:30.47 | TomW`food | they also sell a thinner for it as well. |
| 20:30.48 | sjhill | when you said airplane, it clicked |
| 20:30.59 | TomW`food | :) |
| 20:31.51 | TomW`food | I have, on occasion, built connectors using cardboard, connector pins, and epoxy glue.. |
| 20:31.57 | CosmicPenguin | Does anyone know if the Redhat version of grub is hacked? |
| 20:32.24 | CosmicPenguin | I can't seem to find the ability to load a splashimage anywhere in the standard grub-0.93 |
| 20:32.52 | Russ | it is hacked |
| 20:33.02 | CosmicPenguin | It must be |
| 20:33.10 | TomW`food | what is it that mandrake uses, lilo? they do a spash screen very nicely with lilo. |
| 20:33.28 | CosmicPenguin | Well, damn. I kinda sorta wanted to do a grub splash screen |
| 20:33.35 | TomW`food | :( |
| 20:33.40 | TomW`food | heh |
| 20:33.42 | CosmicPenguin | Oh, well. timeout=0 works just as well |
| 20:35.33 | CosmicPenguin | Or, hell. I'll just patch it |
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| 20:39.25 | sjhill | sorphin: do you want to slap him or would you like me? |
| 20:54.47 | file | how cool, I just downloaded and untarred busybox-pre4 using the busybox pre3 freebsd port |
| 20:54.58 | CosmicPenguin | file: you rock |
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| 21:24.05 | TomW`work | ooo ooo ooo! The guys at Zephyrtronics are offering me a reconditioned solder paste applicator for $100 off price! Now I won't have to squeeze the paste out of the syringe by hand! |
| 21:25.11 | TomW`work | Now, if I could only get a discounted price off the BGA setup... |
| 21:32.36 | Russ | do you have masks? |
| 21:39.43 | chouimat | hmmmm if I not sick again tonight ... it will be a true miracle |
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| 21:56.28 | cambag | hi, is anybody there?? |
| 21:56.45 | CosmicPenguin | Maybe |
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| 22:44.24 | CosmicPenguin | mallum_: is there a way to control if a certain application has a titlebar or not? |
| 22:44.39 | CosmicPenguin | Or is it all or nothing? |
| 22:45.38 | file | chouimat: I'm getting sick, must be an IRC spread virus |
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| 22:57.40 | CosmicPenguin | You saw it too |
| 22:57.42 | CosmicPenguin | See, I wasn't crazy |
| 22:57.59 | CosmicPenguin | mallum - And there was a shot of the bootup sequence too |
| 22:58.23 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: yeah I saw a kde site a while back with a load of shots |
| 22:58.40 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Yeah, they seem to be using KDE all over the place |
| 22:58.52 | CosmicPenguin | But to actually have this dude boot up his computer, with linux, is a pretty impressive step |
| 22:59.33 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: I had to bittorent the episode ( series III not due to start here till march ) so I can recheck the mpeg later |
| 23:00.11 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: yeah, look for "Calibrating delay loop..." |
| 23:00.34 | CosmicPenguin | Its right when the guy boots the computer up (I don't think its a spoiler but maybe) |
| 23:00.51 | fishhead | canuck |
| 23:01.00 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: what a episode this week though :-))) |
| 23:01.15 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: seen this week 24? |
| 23:01.17 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: that show messes with your head |
| 23:01.41 | mallum | its so rules |
| 23:01.46 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: you know how you can usually predict some things with hollywood movies and shows? |
| 23:01.56 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: like you know that Bruce WIllis isn't going to die in Die Hard? |
| 23:02.14 | mallum | yeah it so good |
| 23:02.18 | CosmicPenguin | This show doesn't have any of those assurances. I remain convinced that they will kill Jack Bauer one of these days, just for the fun of it |
| 23:02.27 | mallum | yeah hehe |
| 23:02.34 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: like in real life :) |
| 23:02.49 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: did you see the Linux desktop in 24 this week? |
| 23:03.13 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: I just saw the last 9 minutes ... I completely forget about it |
| 23:03.18 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: doh |
| 23:03.29 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: so I will check on kazaa later |
| 23:04.08 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: but i saw enough to be able to understand next week :) |
| 23:04.37 | mallum | chouimat: I get it via http://www.dslextreme.com/users/tvt/ |
| 23:04.59 | mallum | chouimat: usually get a nice 50k/sec d/l |
| 23:05.23 | chouimat | mallum: hmmm battlestar galactica on it ... |
| 23:05.46 | chouimat | ok what time was this week 24? |
| 23:06.19 | mallum | chouimat: its episode 7 |
| 23:06.41 | chouimat | mallum: 19-20? |
| 23:06.51 | CosmicPenguin | yes |
| 23:06.57 | CosmicPenguin | II think |
| 23:07.04 | CosmicPenguin | Yep - it started at noon, didn't it? |
| 23:08.19 | chouimat | think so |
| 23:09.27 | chouimat | hmmm need to reinstall bittorrent ... will download it after solaris9 |
| 23:09.42 | fishhead | hey chouimat |
| 23:11.48 | kergoth | re |
| 23:11.53 | chouimat | hey kergoth |
| 23:15.30 | George- | kergy! |
| 23:22.19 | fishhead | okay just for running |
| 23:22.21 | fishhead | CANUCK |
| 23:22.26 | fishhead | there |
| 23:22.55 | CosmicPenguin | I thought it got more annoying here |
| 23:22.57 | CosmicPenguin | Now I'm sure |
| 23:23.35 | fishhead | I wasn't going to say it |
| 23:23.38 | fishhead | till he ran |
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| 23:45.00 | pb_ | CosmicPenguin: I think the command you are looking for is /ignore. |
| 23:46.10 | CosmicPenguin | I hate /ignoring |
| 23:46.14 | CosmicPenguin | I love to watch trolls |
| 23:46.17 | CosmicPenguin | they admuse me |
| 23:46.20 | pb_ | heh |
| 23:50.24 | marklwrk | this network doesn't get nearly as annoying as others |
| 23:50.57 | kergoth | true that. i dont miss dalnet or efnet. |
| 23:55.49 | chouimat | fishhead: a guy can't be sick? |
| 23:56.22 | fishhead | ? |
| 23:56.31 | chouimat | fishhead: the run thing |
| 23:56.40 | fishhead | oh I thought you were running from me |
| 23:56.43 | fishhead | when I said hI |
| 23:57.02 | chouimat | no ... me never do that to you |