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| 01:18.35 | jacques | did you know the new linksys vpn router uses an intel xscale chip - but in BIG endian mode? (and runs linux) |
| 01:20.17 | chouimat | huh |
| 01:21.19 | CosmicPenguin | lol - just to save the ntohl() conversion? :) |
| 01:21.47 | chouimat | lol |
| 01:23.32 | Russ | a telco dinosaur |
| 01:23.46 | jacques | not sure why they do it - I think that might be the mode that particular proc likes |
| 01:24.37 | Russ | its a throwback to telco days |
| 01:24.47 | jacques | Intel IXP425 CPU - http://www.intel.com/design/network/products/npfamily/ixp425.htm |
| 01:26.24 | CosmicPenguin | In typical Intel fashion, maybe some of the add on engines are big endian |
| 01:26.30 | CosmicPenguin | That wouldn't surprise me |
| 01:27.09 | jacques | yeah it does have a lot of additional functionality (the proc) |
| 01:27.25 | jacques | 32MB RAM |
| 01:27.53 | jacques | http://www.seattlewireless.net/index.cgi/LinksysWrv54g |
| 01:28.38 | CosmicPenguin | Same ol' Same ol' on the GPL issues |
| 01:29.09 | jacques | CosmicPenguin: what issues still exist (I know some do, just not sure which) |
| 01:29.31 | jacques | since they released those huge tarballs including even the modifies xcompile toolchains |
| 01:29.38 | CosmicPenguin | jacques: I'm not sure if Erik or Russ or anyone has signed off the GPL changes made recently |
| 01:29.40 | jacques | tho not the source for the toolchain mods |
| 01:29.59 | CosmicPenguin | Its not over until andersee says its, I guess |
| 01:30.06 | jacques | I would really like to hear their current thoughts |
| 01:31.02 | Russ | hmmm..maybe I should get on that then... |
| 01:31.37 | CosmicPenguin | There's one of the affected folks right there |
| 01:32.18 | jacques | hi Russ, the linksys GPL download page has grown quite a bit in the last month |
| 01:32.45 | jacques | ah I think one of the problems is that they dont mention GPL software anywhere on the box or in the instructions |
| 01:37.46 | chouimat | jacques: how much for this thing? |
| 01:38.54 | jacques | chouimat: they charge a lot because of the VPN software :-\ I *think* I saw it at Fry's for $229 |
| 01:40.21 | chouimat | ok |
| 01:40.31 | chouimat | still not avalaible here |
| 01:40.54 | Russ | hrm...busybox ash has a fork() :( |
| 01:46.21 | andersee | Russ: you need to use busybox msh for uClinux systems |
| 01:46.34 | andersee | Russ: busybox ash won't work |
| 01:48.11 | jacques | hi andersee, how're the new toolchains/buildroots coming? :-) |
| 01:48.12 | Russ | what about hush? |
| 01:48.27 | Russ | jacques: he killed the gcc wrapper :(, bastard! |
| 01:48.46 | jacques | andersee: also, have you taken a look at the recent additions to linksys GPL page? |
| 01:48.54 | andersee | Russ: I've not tested hush or lash on uClinux. They are probably not vfork safe |
| 01:49.03 | jacques | ah the wrapper :-) |
| 01:49.45 | Russ | I don't wanna have to build a whole toolchain everytime I update uclibc :( |
| 01:50.08 | andersee | Russ: you can resurrect the gcc wrapper |
| 01:50.18 | Russ | how's that? |
| 01:50.25 | jacques | i dont mind - my dual 1800+ is fast enough :-) |
| 01:51.10 | CosmicPenguin | jacques: 64 bit? |
| 01:51.19 | Russ | hush seems to work... |
| 01:51.24 | Russ | but it won't do ': > /var/run/utmp' |
| 01:51.30 | andersee | Russ: cvs up -r uClibc_0_9_22 debian/gcc-uClibc |
| 01:51.37 | andersee | Russ: cd debian/gcc-uClibc |
| 01:51.42 | jacques | CosmicPenguin: no, just dual athlong XPs which think they are MPs |
| 01:51.44 | Russ | and it gets confused by exec /sbin/init "$@" |
| 01:51.44 | andersee | Russ: make; make install |
| 01:52.20 | Russ | so why delete it? |
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| 02:12.43 | chouimat | arrrrgggg another hour before my dinner |
| 02:12.55 | file | yummy, my belkin ap router has an arm processor |
| 02:21.01 | jacques | file: what are the specs on the router/proc? |
| 02:21.41 | file | jacques: I'm trying to find details now |
| 02:21.55 | file | jacques: but anyway, it's the Belkin 3-port wireless access point |
| 02:22.07 | file | I think the ARM is a 4510 |
| 02:22.18 | jacques | file: 802.11g ? |
| 02:22.22 | file | also has a rtl8139as chipset, pcmcia controller, and a prism2 based pcmcia card |
| 02:22.25 | file | nope - 802.11b |
| 02:22.38 | jacques | wow sounds like overkill for b |
| 02:23.19 | file | they stuck something on the CPU to keep the pcmcia card from touching it, so it took some of the numbers off the chip |
| 02:23.32 | jacques | d'oh |
| 02:26.46 | Russ | andersee: does standalone shell take up extra space or have any disadvantages? |
| 02:27.12 | file | I wish it ran Linux |
| 02:28.02 | andersee | Russ: it makes it harder to execute system utilities for which there are builtin applets |
| 02:28.14 | andersee | Russ: that can be good or bad, depending on your usage |
| 02:28.19 | Russ | oh, so on an embedded system, who cares |
| 02:28.51 | file | there's a JTAG on it :) |
| 02:30.14 | andersee | Russ: I find the standalone shell feature quite useful |
| 02:30.39 | andersee | Russ: I will take a staticly linked busybox, compiled for standalone, and run that on, say, vt6 |
| 02:31.02 | Russ | my problem right now, is my caches don't work, and everything is statically linked |
| 02:31.13 | andersee | Russ: that way, if I hose the system I can switch to that and fix things |
| 02:31.15 | Russ | commands from the shell take a couple seconds |
| 02:32.22 | file | anybody know what most old 802.11b aps ran? |
| 02:35.00 | Russ | vxworks? |
| 02:35.11 | Russ | strings the firmware |
| 02:35.19 | file | I thought so |
| 02:37.29 | file | yup, Wind River Systems makes VxWorks and their name is in this firmware |
| 02:38.55 | file | Russ: anything I can do now that I know it runs VxWorks? |
| 02:39.08 | Russ | *shrug* |
| 02:39.33 | file | I despise it's lack of telnet darn it |
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| 02:58.26 | chouimat | woooohoooo the cad is at 0.7705usd |
| 02:58.37 | chouimat | hi tim |
| 02:59.31 | file | chouimat: oooooooooooooooh |
| 02:59.35 | chouimat | hmmm just too bad I don't have enough money ... I would have order the ps2 linux kit |
| 03:00.38 | chouimat | file: yup GWB is doing a great job |
| 03:01.16 | file | chouimat: what do you think it'll reach by the end of the year? |
| 03:02.02 | chouimat | file: probably 0.80 |
| 03:02.10 | file | nifty |
| 03:03.06 | chouimat | file: but a job at 80 000usd is still good even if the cad is at 1.00usd ... average salary is for IT 37000cad |
| 03:03.54 | file | most interesting |
| 03:06.09 | file | what is the first day of the week? lol |
| 03:15.06 | Russ | if I'm elected president, I'll buy everyone a ps2 linux kit |
| 03:15.13 | Russ | (with your money) |
| 03:19.59 | file | Russ: but we're Canadian |
| 03:20.21 | Russ | thats what I mean |
| 03:20.32 | Russ | I'll buy everyone one with canada's money |
| 03:21.32 | file | money? Canada? |
| 03:21.33 | file | HA |
| 03:21.48 | file | all our money is already going elsewhere, none leftover! |
| 04:02.52 | chouimat | nigth |
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| 06:13.06 | Russ | workaround: it is recommended that the watchdog timer not be used in the reset mode |
| 06:36.18 | Russ | hmm... |
| 06:36.35 | Russ | is there a way to describe a section in an ld script that tells where certain globals *should* be? |
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| 12:28.36 | jilll | Is there an evaluation board for lowest possible cost 16 bit microprocessor (or even 8 bit) that run uClinux or alternative? |
| 12:29.26 | jilll | I actualy need one with USb host and Ethernet but so far I could not locate even one without...:) |
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| 15:00.09 | CosmicPenguin | Ok - so far, the only thing about Gentoo that has pissed me off is that if a certain FTP site is down, you are SOL |
| 15:00.15 | CosmicPenguin | Morning, by the way... :) |
| 15:00.40 | marklwrk | just use slackware and quit whining |
| 15:00.48 | marklwrk | upgradable packages are for losers |
| 15:01.18 | CosmicPenguin | It it was good enough for the year 2001, its good enough for me |
| 15:01.55 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: whiner |
| 15:02.42 | CosmicPenguin | Why should I be labeled with whiner just because some jackass out there can't keep his ftp site up? |
| 15:05.48 | jilll | Morning, |
| 15:06.55 | CosmicPenguin | morning |
| 15:08.13 | marklwrk | CosmicPenguin: more seriously, how do you like gentoo |
| 15:08.23 | marklwrk | labels aside, heh |
| 15:08.30 | jilll | I have been asking embedded hardware questions around other channels and have been sent here... ;) |
| 15:08.58 | sorphin | jilll: 3 answers, yes, no or maybe ;) |
| 15:10.01 | jilll | Is it too early in the morning for a question ? |
| 15:11.18 | sorphin | jilll: depends on the question vs if the right person is around who can answer it ;) |
| 15:11.35 | jilll | I am looking for a low-cost platform to do some embedded linux development @home. |
| 15:12.24 | jilll | The sys needs USB Host and Etherent (no need for anything else except minimal controller (that can forward 12Mbps, some flash and ram). |
| 15:13.11 | sorphin | jilll: ARM seems to be the fav here for a proc, for the rest.. prolly wanna catch prpplague, Russ or such |
| 15:16.38 | CosmicPenguin | marklwrk: I like it so far |
| 15:16.51 | CosmicPenguin | marklwrk: it has the buildroot / OE feeling which I have come to appreciate |
| 15:17.17 | CosmicPenguin | marklwrk: for example, some of the GNU mirrors are foobared, and it was easy enough to go in and edit the ebuild file to point at a different mirror |
| 15:17.40 | CosmicPenguin | I wouldn't turn it loose on my wife, but for those of us who think we're l33t its not bad at all |
| 15:18.59 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:19.04 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: since I'm going to interview with AMD on Monday, I'n gonna toss out a shill for the AMD Geode division |
| 15:19.06 | sorphin | 133+Penguin |
| 15:19.06 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.amd.com/us-en/ConnectivitySolutions/ProductInformation/0,,50_2330_9863,00.html |
| 15:19.33 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: you're gonna interview w/ AMD.. when did this happen |
| 15:19.46 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I had a phone interview last week |
| 15:20.09 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I'm not for sure on it - it means a move, and Stacee has one semester of school left, so she just can't up and transfer |
| 15:20.09 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: to do what? |
| 15:20.18 | sorphin | yeah |
| 15:20.39 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: part of a Linux team for the AMD low power x86 team |
| 15:20.53 | CosmicPenguin | AMD bought out National's IA division in Colorado at the beginning of this year |
| 15:22.16 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: least it would get you outta SCOtah / Mormonville, USA |
| 15:22.36 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: yeah, but I've lived here for 6 years, and stacee has been her all her life - we're not super excited to move |
| 15:22.45 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: ah |
| 15:22.55 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: so needless to say (and its going to sound greedy), but they're gonna have to show me the green |
| 15:23.08 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: "show me the money" |
| 15:23.09 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: other than that, its an ideal job - Linux hacking, community interaction, all open source |
| 15:23.23 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: Plus, I'll get to look at the "whole" datasheet.... :) |
| 15:23.36 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: and bitch at the idiots who laid down the silicon to boot |
| 15:23.43 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: ;) |
| 15:23.59 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: make sure ot shoot the person that had AMD go back to PR type ratings :P |
| 15:25.06 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: and the icing on the cake is that the standard AMD policy development platform is a 1U dual Opteron box |
| 15:25.46 | sorphin | cool |
| 15:26.01 | sorphin | i still don't see how some of these procs could go 1U :P |
| 15:26.13 | sorphin | considering the size of the usual heatsink/fans they need |
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| 15:27.25 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: anyway, we'll see how it works out |
| 15:27.44 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: well, good luck then |
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| 15:32.03 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: i've got high speed internet at the hotel, I'll be online on Sunday and Monday nights |
| 15:32.31 | sorphin | coo |
| 15:32.37 | sorphin | TimRiker: morning mr T |
| 15:33.51 | TimRiker | moin |
| 15:35.01 | CosmicPenguin | Thats a blast from the past nick |
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| 15:36.44 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: true, but who the hell plays BZFlag? ;) it's so... dated *duck* |
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| 15:37.37 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:37.41 | sorphin | BZFlag: scary |
| 15:37.59 | BZFlag | ~x en jp Can you read this? |
| 15:38.31 | CosmicPenguin | Can xchat even begin to handle japanese chars? |
| 15:38.59 | BZFlag | xchat 2.x can run in utf8 which is the ietf recommended encoding for irc, yes. |
| 15:39.49 | CosmicPenguin | I'm a Xchat 1.X guy |
| 15:39.57 | CosmicPenguin | Until I get the guts to install gtk2 on my desktop |
| 15:41.17 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: so, should I go gtk1, gtk2 or kde on my gentoo box? |
| 15:41.26 | BZFlag | http://rikers.org/tmp/xchat-utf8.png |
| 15:42.01 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: gtk2 prolly, gtk1 2nd choice, kde.. never :P |
| 15:42.28 | sorphin | BZFlag: cool |
| 15:42.42 | BZFlag | sorphin: =) |
| 15:45.34 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: gtk2 eh? Even on my 700 Mhz laptop? |
| 15:46.11 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: worked fine on my 850mhz laptop :P |
| 15:46.24 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: tho i dunno the major diff between gtk 2 and 1 |
| 15:46.32 | sorphin | just seen things migrating/ed to 2 |
| 15:47.00 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: of that there is no dobut |
| 15:47.33 | marklwrk | qvwm ownz you all |
| 15:49.25 | sorphin | marklwrk: not |
| 15:51.50 | sorphin | chouimat: naive :P |
| 15:52.01 | chouimat | sorphin: bah |
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| 15:53.09 | sieve | morning all |
| 15:53.15 | TomW | hello |
| 15:53.17 | chouimat | hi TomW sieve |
| 15:53.43 | TomW | just having my second cup-of and am now "social" again. |
| 15:54.09 | TomW | s/social/fit for human interaction/ |
| 15:54.46 | chouimat | TomW: didn't get my first one ... maybe I will go back watching the last sunday simpsons episodes |
| 15:55.40 | TomW | never watch the simpsons myself, I guess that I will wake up some day and discover that "I" am Homer Simpson? |
| 15:56.35 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: this one from last Sunday was probably the best one in about 3 or 4 years |
| 15:56.46 | CosmicPenguin | Of course, thats not saying much, but still |
| 15:56.53 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: the oops patrol? |
| 15:57.01 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: ? |
| 15:57.05 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: don't you watch the US streams? |
| 15:57.56 | TomW | Anyone here ever do any Win32 API programming of the Windoze com ports? |
| 15:58.31 | TomW | I need to cross platform a Kylix app into Delphi and wonder how to set baudrate etc. within the 32bit Win API. |
| 15:59.46 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: the Global/Fox episode that was aired last sunday ... |
| 15:59.55 | chouimat | wtf 100cad for balls removing ???? |
| 16:01.07 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: oh ok |
| 16:01.21 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: its just that you see 24 in realtime, I figured you would get Simpsons too |
| 16:01.34 | CosmicPenguin | Lats week we saw My Mother the Carjacker - with the return of Homer's mother |
| 16:01.43 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: that one |
| 16:05.16 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: its a good one |
| 16:12.23 | sorphin | TomW: your fat, old and only have 2 hairs? |
| 16:12.40 | TomW | heh, exactly, some day... |
| 16:12.53 | TomW | WE all will be Homer. |
| 16:13.15 | sorphin | TomW: d'oh! |
| 16:13.45 | chouimat | hmmmm stuttgart or malaga? |
| 16:15.32 | TomW | Interesting, I have two Fed-Ex shipments arriving today: one is from Pittston, PA terminal, the other is from the Allentown, PA terminal. I wonder how they make money doing it that way? |
| 16:16.08 | TomW | one terminal is 30 miles northeast of me, the other is 30 miles southwest. |
| 16:18.54 | chouimat | hey kergoth |
| 16:21.23 | sorphin | i swear |
| 16:21.25 | sorphin | i hate lusers |
| 16:21.44 | sorphin | TomW: go cane yourself |
| 16:21.56 | TomW | sorphin: finally woke up, eh? |
| 16:27.44 | chouimat | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:28.25 | sorphin | TomW: been fixing shit people broke again |
| 16:28.57 | TomW | yeh, but, that is why we get the "big bucks" and all the blame. |
| 16:30.06 | TomW | sorphin: A recent app I wrote for an 8051 works fine here, my customer cannot find any fault with it, but, the a??holes at the jobsite (his customer) cannot make 9 of the 13 units run properly. <sigh> |
| 16:30.58 | chouimat | TomW: wow |
| 16:31.22 | sorphin | TomW: oops :P |
| 16:31.41 | TomW | sorphin: so, I will be in Montgomery, Al, the week of the 23rd.. The jobsite is in East Texas, I may be able to convince my customer to pay me to goto the jobsite to straighten things out. This way, I may be able to write my vacation travel & lodging off as a business trip. |
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| 16:32.11 | sorphin | TomW: heh |
| 16:32.20 | TomW | sorphin: I *might* even discount the cost of the visit to the jobsite, just for the writeoff. |
| 16:33.34 | TomW | sorphin: if I can get this delphi / kylix app running this weekend, quote it on Monday, and get a firm P/O commitment, then I will definately have enough pocket money for a nice vacation. Something that I have not had in three years! |
| 16:34.04 | sorphin | TomW: nod, i didn't even get a vacation this year, had to burn it for surgery recover, etc |
| 16:34.11 | TomW | sux |
| 16:34.18 | TomW | btdt |
| 16:34.36 | sorphin | btdt? |
| 16:34.44 | TomW | eye surgery |
| 16:35.15 | sorphin | ah |
| 16:35.16 | TomW | angio-plasty (stent) |
| 16:35.26 | sorphin | yeah |
| 16:35.34 | TomW | ... getting old, I need to requisiton another newer body.. |
| 16:35.41 | TomW | :-/ |
| 16:35.47 | sorphin | yup :P |
| 16:36.50 | chouimat | sorphin: got 2 weeks in Nove Hrady for the KDE conference, and got boring job the day after I was back |
| 16:37.14 | sorphin | chouimat: nod |
| 16:37.31 | chouimat | sorphin: and now I feel depress ... |
| 16:37.46 | sorphin | TomW: btw.. nother friend suggested a diode and a cap for the whole PWM bit, worst case a resistor too |
| 16:38.32 | TomW | sorphin: send me your email address to tom@openhardware.net. I will send you a simple schematic to try out, ok? |
| 16:40.12 | sorphin | k, how bout one for the sense for the nav voice too :P *grin* |
| 16:41.23 | sorphin | TomW: sent |
| 16:48.06 | sjhill | i must strangle the mips.com webmaster |
| 16:48.36 | sjhill | no, maybe mame them instead |
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| 16:53.49 | sjhill | sorphin: death wish today, eh? |
| 16:53.53 | sjhill | ~whaleslap sorphin |
| 16:53.56 | | ACTION slaps sorphin upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 16:54.40 | sorphin | sjhill: my call sign? |
| 16:54.45 | sjhill | ham radio |
| 16:55.10 | sorphin | sjhill: good luck, you don't know my callsign |
| 16:55.10 | sorphin | bitch |
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| 16:56.20 | TomW | sorphin: you have mail |
| 16:56.36 | sorphin | TomW: k |
| 16:57.33 | TomW | sorphin: simple circuit, you can handwire it onto perf board and stick the perf inside of something, or wrap it with tape. |
| 16:57.37 | sorphin | TomW: don't let unisys know you used GIF ;) |
| 17:00.58 | TomW | shhh! |
| 17:02.41 | TomW | sorphin: the diode acts as a halfwave rectifier and also isolates the cap from the dash pwm signal, the cap gets charged by the pwm pules. The resistor is to discharge the cap so it doesn't keep a charge when the dashlights go off. You may have to increase the value of the resistor from 1k to 4.7k or 10k YMMV |
| 17:03.11 | TomW | sorphin: effectively, this is a simple power supply + filter + load circuit. |
| 17:03.36 | TomW | sorphin: you can use any 1N400x type diode. |
| 17:05.01 | TomW | sorphin: IIRC, the 1N4004 is a 150volt device, I would stay away from a diode / cap with ratings anything lover than 50volts. Remember, the automotive 12volt supply can have large voltage transients on it so don't use 16volt components as they may puncture (fail). |
| 17:12.14 | Russ | ...the patents involving gif expired... |
| 17:12.24 | TomW | hooray! |
| 17:12.28 | TomW | about time |
| 17:32.27 | Russ | it happened a few months ago |
| 17:32.48 | Russ | since you've been living in a cave, the patents involved in SSL also expired |
| 17:33.35 | chouimat | wtf a 350cad Jeans???? |
| 17:34.04 | sorphin | TomW: so a 1n4148 wouldn't work then |
| 17:34.47 | TomW | sorphin: no, that is small signal low current device, < 100ma, go with a 1 amp device to make sure of no probs. |
| 17:35.59 | TomW | sorphin: you have to realize that the cap will appear as a dead short when it is first powered up. It will draw a short burst of current that would probably be too high for the 1n4148 to handle. |
| 17:36.11 | sorphin | yeah |
| 17:36.42 | sorphin | TomW: the question will be can the illumination wire handle it, i'm assuming so since it supplies the dash lights directly i think (they're all LEDs) |
| 17:40.32 | TomW | sorphin: never assume |
| 17:40.45 | TomW | sorphin: always measure |
| 17:41.16 | sorphin | TomW: yeha, i know |
| 17:41.44 | sorphin | i do know for a fact the dash uses LEDs tho :) thankfully, tho they're all SMT |
| 17:41.51 | sorphin | bout 60 of em |
| 17:42.47 | sorphin | TomW: i'll measure too (if i can get my poor scope out into the cold) the high and low points of the pwm (fully bright and fully dimm) |
| 17:43.39 | TomW | sorphin: from the symptoms that you described, it does not sound as if the radio drives the leds directly from the dashlight supply. it uses the dashlight voltage as a sensing of whether to drive the leds to full brilliance or not. IMHO, it would be foolish design practice to power the LEDs of the radio directly off the dashlight supply curcuit as you risk overloading the fuse limit of the dashlight fuse. No, they would not do it that way, an |
| 17:43.39 | TomW | d if they did, you don't need that radio in your car. |
| 17:44.10 | sorphin | you're misreading |
| 17:44.32 | sorphin | when i said LEDS the dash lights themselves are LEDs |
| 17:44.51 | sorphin | the radio (the stock one) does have LEDs too, and it dimms just like the dash lights do |
| 17:44.57 | sorphin | my radio has a VFD display |
| 17:45.09 | sorphin | w/ it's own dimming control |
| 17:45.17 | TomW | sorphin: you only need a multimeter to measure the current draw of the illumination wire upon the 12volt system of the car. put the meter in the amp position, then use one probe to the illumination wire, the second probe to a vehicle 12volt source (cigarette lighter?) then see what the current draw is. I would be surpised if if is > 100ma. |
| 17:45.18 | sorphin | hence only needing to sense |
| 17:45.38 | TomW | sorphin: no scope |
| 17:45.52 | sorphin | right |
| 17:46.02 | TomW | prolly will be 10ma or so. |
| 17:46.15 | sorphin | prolly |
| 17:46.24 | sorphin | just like the remote turn on wire for an amp |
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| 19:39.39 | prpplague | ~quote scox |
| 19:39.55 | prpplague | ~quote rhat |
| 19:41.01 | CosmicPenguin | screw redhat |
| 19:41.13 | Russ | ~quote CP |
| 19:41.22 | Russ | screw CosmicPenguin |
| 19:42.21 | CosmicPenguin | Uh, ok |
| 19:42.29 | Russ | ~quote russ |
| 19:42.50 | TimRiker | ~screw Russ |
| 19:43.16 | TimRiker | now there's an obvious factoid to add. |
| 19:43.33 | TimRiker | ~listkeys screw |
| 19:43.50 | CosmicPenguin | CP=Canadian Pacific Railway |
| 19:44.01 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: screwage? |
| 19:44.03 | | CosmicPenguin: are you using Windows? |
| 19:44.07 | kergoth | ibot: ntpdate screws up because timezone? |
| 19:44.09 | | i guess ntpdate screws up because timezone is ??? |
| 19:44.17 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: jargon screwage |
| 19:44.18 | | [jargon screwage] /skroo'*j/ n. Like lossage but connotes that the failure is due to a designed-in misfeature rather than a simple inadequacy or a mere bug. |
| 19:44.20 | kergoth | ibot: forget ntpdate screws up because timezone |
| 19:44.46 | TimRiker | heh jargon cracks me up |
| 19:44.49 | kergoth | h13:44 <ibot> cannot remove factoid 'ntpdate screws up because timezone', too old. (12370.8224537>12096) use 'no,' instead |
| 19:44.53 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:45.10 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: jargon screw2 |
| 19:45.14 | | CosmicPenguin: are you using Windows? |
| 19:45.20 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: jargon overrun screw2 |
| 19:45.23 | | hmm... jargon overrun screw2 is in heisenbugs of the most diabolical subtlety. The term `overrun screw' is used esp. of scribbles beyond the end of arrays allocated with `malloc(3)'; this typically trashes the allocation header for the next block in the arena, producing massive lossage within See: overrun screw3 |
| 19:45.51 | CosmicPenguin | Thats a new one to me |
| 19:47.12 | Russ | ibot: jargon overrun screw3 |
| 19:47.13 | | i guess jargon overrun screw3 is malloc and often a core dump on the next operation to use `stdio(3)' or `malloc(3)' itself. See spam, overrun; see also {memory leak}, {aliasing bug}, {precedence lossage}, {fandango on core}, {secondary damage}.*P.O.D. /P-O-D/ Acronym for `Piece Of Data' (as See: overrun screw4 |
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| 19:50.33 | CosmicPenguin | I just say that my heap is f*cked up, and leave it at that |
| 19:59.43 | prpplague | anyone read "atlas shrugged" ? |
| 20:00.04 | CosmicPenguin | yep |
| 20:01.33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i have read it since i was 14, been listening to it on the way to work on audio, definetly seems applicable to our currently social/economic status today |
| 20:01.43 | prpplague | s/have/haven't |
| 20:02.22 | prpplague | anyone ordered a mARMalade board? |
| 20:02.34 | CosmicPenguin | I made the mistake of reading The Fountainhead first, so I got a real bleak view of Ann Rynd |
| 20:02.46 | CosmicPenguin | I ordered a maralade scone |
| 20:02.59 | prpplague | lol |
| 20:03.22 | prpplague | ibot: marmalade is http://www.earthlcd.com/marmalade.htm |
| 20:03.23 | | okay, prpplague |
| 20:05.46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: heard anything from scott lately |
| 20:05.48 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ? |
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| 20:07.35 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yeah, he told me he ws sending me the rest of the money, I told him not to send it, I wasn't interested in talking to him any more, he said "too bad, I'm sending it anyway", and I haven't heard from him since |
| 20:07.38 | CosmicPenguin | That was a month ago |
| 20:09.11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lol |
| 20:09.45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: its a shame that work didn't get put out as opensource |
| 20:09.54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i think it would have been a big hit |
| 20:10.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: well atleast you got some experience from and maybe add some of the things you learned in future apps |
| 20:10.26 | CosmicPenguin | I'm expecting that it will end up as abandonware here eventually |
| 20:10.35 | CosmicPenguin | He had no idea what he is doing |
| 20:10.50 | CosmicPenguin | I do wish I had more work though, things are slooooowwww... |
| 20:10.58 | prpplague | yea, no idea |
| 20:13.15 | CosmicPenguin | I need motivation, stat |
| 20:13.18 | CosmicPenguin | time to hit the gym |
| 20:33.16 | jilll | prpplague, can you spare a min to advice about target hardware? |
| 20:35.19 | prpplague | jilll: sure |
| 20:35.41 | prpplague | jilll: anything to help |
| 20:35.53 | jilll | I am looking for a minimal development kit (lowest BOM cost) with microcontroller (+flash+ram), USB Host and Ethernet. |
| 20:36.12 | prpplague | jilll: need to be portable? |
| 20:36.33 | jilll | portable as in portable software or as in size and power ? |
| 20:36.43 | prpplague | jilll: as in size and power |
| 20:36.54 | jilll | not really |
| 20:37.09 | jilll | Will be connected to a wall plug anyway. |
| 20:37.27 | prpplague | jilll: got a specific application usage in mind? |
| 20:38.02 | jilll | Needs to transfer ~12Mbps USB Host to ETherent interface with some minimal processing and some management. |
| 20:38.38 | prpplague | jilll: just need the board, or a pre-packaged solution? |
| 20:39.35 | jilll | Pre Packaged is a great benefit. |
| 20:39.44 | prpplague | jilll: target cost? |
| 20:40.09 | jilll | But it must be low cost BOM so I can later produce it at low price. |
| 20:40.57 | prpplague | jilll: ram size and flash size? |
| 20:41.17 | jilll | If I am using linux - I don;t need much beyond the OS :) |
| 20:41.48 | jilll | All I can find so far is 32 bit controllers |
| 20:42.15 | prpplague | jilll: why do specifically need a microcontroler? |
| 20:42.42 | jilll | as opposed to? |
| 20:43.16 | prpplague | jilll: basic thin client |
| 20:43.29 | prpplague | jilll: http://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/web/info/ltsp_t150.html |
| 20:43.29 | jilll | with cpu being? |
| 20:43.35 | prpplague | jilll: x86 compatible |
| 20:43.51 | prpplague | jilll: http://www.acutetech.com/-prod_3k.html |
| 20:43.56 | jilll | cost too high |
| 20:44.38 | prpplague | jilll: for usb host and ethernet your gonna find that the $300 mark is about where your gonna stand |
| 20:45.12 | prpplague | gonna be very difficult to find usb host for less that $300 |
| 20:46.38 | jnork | You could probably roll your own for less, but the development costs and time to market will be high. |
| 20:47.46 | jnork | prpplague, those sure are cute. |
| 20:48.20 | jilll | Are there targets like SBCs but with 16bit microcontrollers that run linux and offered pre-packeged ? |
| 20:48.55 | prpplague | jilll: not really for what you want |
| 20:49.02 | prpplague | jilll: let me have a quick look |
| 20:49.49 | jilll | Is the problem the USB host or the pre-packaged 16 bit controller? |
| 20:49.54 | jnork | What kind of BOM cost you looking for? |
| 20:50.05 | prpplague | jilll: usb host |
| 20:50.23 | prpplague | jilll: what are you running on the usb |
| 20:50.42 | jilll | prpplague, so maybe I can tailor a USB host to a 16-bit mc (via PCI ?) |
| 20:51.17 | jilll | jnork, I will be lokking one day to make the BOM under 20. |
| 20:51.27 | jilll | (But not at this stage) |
| 20:51.31 | prpplague | jilll: unless you have some serious skills, you gonna rack up some series dev costs |
| 20:51.55 | jnork | Under 20... dollars? |
| 20:51.57 | prpplague | jilll: not really practicle at the momment |
| 20:51.57 | jilll | well, I said one day didn't I ? :) |
| 20:52.26 | jilll | At the moment I want a pre-packaged for under 100 :) |
| 20:52.28 | jnork | OK, you're talking seriously about making your own. You aren't going to get that off-the-shelf. |
| 20:53.33 | jilll | jnork, day 1 - off-the-shelf looking for minimal 16bit target with linux to work on (I will look ffor a way to tailor USB host if I cannot get it as is) |
| 20:54.27 | jilll | Day 24 - build a target. Maybe offer the target to others if it is hard to find low cost targets for embedded stuff. |
| 20:54.37 | jnork | You can get a used SH3 pocket PC for under $100, and add a PCMCIA card, and get NetBSD running on it... but even then keeping it under $100 is going to be tight. |
| 20:55.45 | jnork | What's this gadget supposed to do, anyway? |
| 20:56.27 | sorphin | prpplague: still too bad about the hackkit |
| 20:56.30 | jilll | I am really to get the right target in a way that I can later but 100 from the same kind. |
| 20:56.35 | prpplague | sorphin: yea |
| 20:57.09 | jilll | but=buy (and the work looking is missing) |
| 20:57.48 | jnork | Yes, but I'm trying to figure out what you're trying to do with this gadget. |
| 20:58.22 | prpplague | jilll: the main cost/limiting factor is the usb host |
| 20:58.46 | jilll | jnork, Connect some USB peripherials to the ethernet. |
| 20:59.13 | jilll | prpplague, can you suggets 16 bit pre-packaged targets taht run linux ? |
| 20:59.58 | prpplague | jilll: http://www.digi.com/products/usb/anywhereusb.jsp |
| 21:00.31 | prpplague | jilll: sorry no |
| 21:00.37 | jnork | To the Internet. Not to a LAN. Interesting. |
| 21:00.44 | jnork | Oh you said ethernet. nm |
| 21:00.47 | kergoth | prpplague: heh, i was about to paste that url |
| 21:01.10 | prpplague | jilll: 16-bit mc's are exactly a big selling item in the states |
| 21:01.18 | CosmicPenguin | whew - i've got a lot of ork to do before ski season |
| 21:03.04 | jilll | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.44 | sorphin | cisco routers (i.e. the 1600/1700 series) use built in ethernet in the CPU |
| 21:04.50 | sorphin | motorola crap |
| 21:05.04 | sorphin | easy to build for prolly too |
| 21:05.07 | sorphin | ppc |
| 21:35.48 | CosmicPenguin | Here's a gentoo tip - make sure your time is set right, or perl get smight upset |
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