| 00:14.49 | sorphin | um.... ok.. |
| 00:55.31 | Russ | you never watch mxc? |
| 00:57.20 | Russ | should be on tonight |
| 00:57.26 | Russ | (spiketv) |
| 00:57.27 | file[desk] | The Matrix is on tonight. |
| 00:57.38 | Russ | the matrix is on my computer |
| 00:57.40 | Russ | whats your point? |
| 00:59.07 | file[desk] | The Matrix > MXC |
| 01:01.00 | Russ | I don't have episodes of MXC on my computer |
| 01:02.04 | sorphin | then i think i'll watch reloaded right after |
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| 01:02.25 | Russ | the matrix talk made me load up the freeway scene |
| 01:02.25 | sorphin | and tomorrow night (if i'm lucky and i don't get sent off by work :P ) i'll go see Alien in the theatre |
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| 01:27.38 | chouimat | sorphin: I spend the weekend watching Dune and Children of Dune |
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| 01:29.46 | sorphin | chouimat: i don't care for either of those |
| 01:38.33 | chouimat | sorphin: but the chick playing Ghanima is HOT |
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| 03:21.27 | chouimat | night |
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| 14:43.55 | chouimat | morning |
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| 15:31.33 | chouimat | hi GPSFan TomW jnork |
| 15:31.46 | TomW | hello |
| 15:31.50 | GPSFan | hi chouimat |
| 15:31.54 | TomW | sjhill: you were looking for me? |
| 15:32.08 | GPSFan | hi TomW |
| 15:32.31 | TomW | GPSFan: hello, beautiful day in the Pocono Mountains! |
| 15:33.24 | TomW | maybe even a day to burn a few bushels of leaves, just to set the "mood". |
| 15:34.12 | GPSFan | TomW: howdy, a bit of snow last night in the mts, and a bit or rain here. |
| 15:35.08 | TomW | GPSFan: yeah, a little rain, more like a drizzle, last night. This morning it is 60 degress with sunshine all over the place. |
| 15:35.35 | TomW | my kind of day, I like spring & fall as the best seasons. |
| 15:36.12 | sjhill | TomW: yeah, but i'll be darned if i remember why |
| 15:36.37 | TomW | heh, plus, I discovered about $8,000 in projects that I forgot to do invoicing on. I guess that I am having too much fun working, not paying attention to why I do this stuff? |
| 15:37.33 | GPSFan | TomW: yeah, this is a nice time of year, the deer are out, 42F this morning. Invoicing is important, lest your customers forget who you are... ;>) |
| 15:38.00 | TomW | GPSFan: lol, they know who I am: the guy who doesn't invoice them! |
| 15:42.04 | GPSFan | TomW: just found an interesting busybox problem, at the prompt type the letters "yes" rtn. |
| 15:43.52 | TomW | GPSFan: hmm, I've nothing to run busybox on, at the moment all my stuff is in pieces. :( |
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| 15:46.16 | prpplague | ho ho freakin ho |
| 15:46.29 | chouimat | hi prpplague |
| 15:47.00 | prpplague | :( |
| 15:47.05 | GPSFan | TomW: it's no biggie, I am trying to get a PXE network booting machine up, and running into .config and permissions issues (all due to my lack of experience) but at one point I got an error message " ... are you root?" and in desperation I typed yes at the command prompt. ^c stops the result but it was ammusing. Just verified it does the same thing on the latest CVS and 60.5, so it's ben around a while. |
| 15:47.18 | prpplague | TomW: just had to turn down a job at TI because my psycho ex-wife :( |
| 15:47.45 | TomW | prpplague: you will make too much money as the divorce is not yet settled? |
| 15:49.19 | prpplague | TomW: no, because it would take my son too far away from the bitch |
| 15:49.31 | prpplague | TomW: she's sick and can't travel |
| 15:49.34 | TomW | Waaaahhh! |
| 15:49.45 | TomW | boo hoo, he is sooo mean to me! |
| 15:49.59 | prpplague | yea |
| 15:50.14 | chouimat | prpplague: ouch |
| 15:50.26 | TomW | no way to cut the embilical cord? |
| 15:50.59 | prpplague | TomW: judge said if she's not better by jan3, i can go, well shit, the job will be gone by then |
| 15:51.22 | chouimat | prpplague: that's sucks |
| 15:51.28 | prpplague | TomW: worst part about it was i had already asked the judge before i even applied for the job |
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| 15:52.11 | CosmicPenguin | Hello |
| 15:52.19 | chouimat | hey Cp |
| 15:52.55 | CosmicPenguin | Anyone have any cellular or satellite internet success stories? |
| 15:53.09 | CosmicPenguin | I'm looking for a portable solution |
| 15:53.10 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: yup but in 1997 |
| 15:53.14 | TomW | prpplague: go anyway, take some other job? |
| 15:54.07 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: yeah, I have a customer who is using T-Mobile and he says the bandwidth is great, somewhere near 38Kb/s |
| 15:54.16 | chouimat | prpplague: in canada, once you are divorcing you can move where you want an you travel the kid each two weeks to the other parent |
| 15:54.59 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: sounds high, but we have some IP cameras (Axis) and he can view the images as if he was back at the office looking at them across the fractional. |
| 15:57.19 | prpplague | chouimat: normally the same here, but due to her health its a special case |
| 15:57.57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: stellite is horrible |
| 15:58.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: we tested in the field |
| 15:58.17 | chouimat | prpplague: I don't to be in your place ... mine was hard enough |
| 15:58.22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: runs semi ok for a single winblows box, |
| 15:58.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: linux runs terrible |
| 15:59.07 | sjhill | TimeSys has another PR release |
| 15:59.10 | sjhill | *plug* *plug* |
| 15:59.45 | prpplague | sjhill: up on linuxdevices? |
| 16:00.03 | sjhill | probably will be later |
| 16:00.07 | sjhill | i just got the internal email |
| 16:00.24 | sjhill | chouimat: blasphemy! |
| 16:01.04 | chouimat | sjhill: ac/dc is ok when you feel for it ... not I need something more darker and heavier |
| 16:01.30 | sjhill | ah, ok |
| 16:02.33 | chouimat | hmmm my dying bride ... |
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| 16:06.57 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: recommendations for a remote wireless solution? |
| 16:07.45 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: i assume money is no object |
| 16:07.54 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: lets assume that for the moment |
| 16:09.11 | sjhill | i worked on an embedded computer for trucks and they used a cell phone with modem and verizon has the best coverage out of all |
| 16:09.24 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: how do they connect? |
| 16:09.30 | CosmicPenguin | to the computer that is |
| 16:10.16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: most work just like a rs-232 modem |
| 16:10.21 | sjhill | *nod* |
| 16:10.24 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: basically get a ppp connection |
| 16:11.00 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: although, verizon also sells their own wireless pcmcia cards that work with their network giving you much faster speeds |
| 16:11.27 | CosmicPenguin | so you need a serial connection then? |
| 16:11.34 | sjhill | not for the pcmcia cards |
| 16:11.46 | sjhill | but for using the modem in your cellphone, yes |
| 16:12.04 | sjhill | they sell a special modem cable from the cell phone to rs232, usually $70-$100 |
| 16:12.35 | prpplague | wow this looks like a good read - http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4807859025.html |
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| 16:12.47 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.computerbits.com/archive/2003/0800/verizonreview.html |
| 16:12.53 | CosmicPenguin | Is that it? |
| 16:13.29 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS2132574290.html |
| 16:13.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: iirc thats the one we used |
| 16:13.47 | CosmicPenguin | Those look real nice - I contacted them re OEM possabilities |
| 16:15.35 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: what drivers are needed for the pcmcia card? |
| 16:17.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: its been about a year, so iirc the one i used just showed up as pcmcia modem under rhat7.3 |
| 16:17.36 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i don't recall having to do anything special |
| 16:17.47 | CosmicPenguin | beautiful |
| 16:17.53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lol, btw |
| 16:18.07 | chouimat | prpplague what is the difference between a leech and a wife? |
| 16:18.22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ask sieve, i built a prototype of that device about 18 months ago, lol |
| 16:18.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: but mine was are based, using the ELF board |
| 16:18.51 | kergoth | morning. |
| 16:18.56 | prpplague | kergoth: morning |
| 16:19.03 | prpplague | ~monday |
| 16:19.05 | | extra, extra, read all about it, monday is when everything breaks for no apparent reason, creating so many problems it takes you until friday to get back to normal. a good reason to want to go out and kill people, or a day that no work should be performed due to this phenomenon, or a day requiring the use of large amounts of drugs, or http://engrish.com/recent_detail.php?imagename=deadfriend.jpg&category=Clothing&date=2003-08-25 |
| 16:19.11 | kergoth | prpplague: any news on the job front? |
| 16:19.21 | kergoth | yeh, its monday morning alright. worst part of the week |
| 16:19.23 | prpplague | kergoth: got the job, and lost the job |
| 16:19.28 | prpplague | kergoth: :( |
| 16:19.35 | prpplague | kergoth: freaking ex-wife |
| 16:19.40 | kergoth | damn starbucks employees were cheerful. it was disturbing me |
| 16:19.43 | kergoth | prpplague: err? |
| 16:19.58 | prpplague | kergoth: i can't move because the psycho bitch is sick and can't travel to see my son |
| 16:20.26 | kergoth | ack |
| 16:20.33 | prpplague | kergoth: judge said if she's not better in 90 days, i can move |
| 16:21.09 | chouimat | kergoth: maybe they put pro-zac in their coffee ... drink some more |
| 16:21.13 | prpplague | kergoth: "with all due respect your honor, why the hell didn't you tell me this BEFORE i applied for the job?" |
| 16:21.22 | kergoth | prpplague: no shit, thats bs |
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| 16:21.59 | chouimat | hi mallum_ TimRiker kergoth |
| 16:23.50 | mallum_ | heya |
| 16:23.57 | kergoth | hey mallum_ |
| 16:23.58 | chouimat | prpplague: does your ex-wife tell somewhere she will make you miserable? |
| 16:24.29 | jnork | kergoth, they're paid to be cheerful. |
| 16:24.48 | jnork | prpplague: that sucks |
| 16:24.49 | kergoth | jnork: how.. annoying |
| 16:25.02 | jnork | kergoth, you expect them to be surly, then? |
| 16:25.05 | jnork | WADDYA WANT? |
| 16:25.12 | jnork | HERE'S YER DAMN COFFEE |
| 16:25.17 | kergoth | damn right |
| 16:25.19 | jnork | heh |
| 16:25.29 | jnork | I'll tell my wife |
| 16:25.34 | chouimat | huh? alice cooper?? |
| 16:26.02 | jnork | chouimat: Huh? |
| 16:26.14 | chouimat | jnork: internet radio station |
| 16:26.18 | jnork | o |
| 16:26.23 | jnork | Which song? |
| 16:26.35 | chouimat | I Love The Dead |
| 16:26.43 | kergoth | music. good idea |
| 16:27.19 | chouimat | jnork: testing my new firewall rules |
| 16:27.42 | jnork | "We're smiling because we know everybody is spending too much money for their coffee and paying our benefits." :) |
| 16:28.08 | chouimat | jnork: I thought they were all on pro-zac :) |
| 16:28.11 | jnork | chouimat: I prefer his old stuff. |
| 16:28.28 | chouimat | jnork: I don't know on which album this one is |
| 16:28.50 | jnork | I don't know either, but it's not Killer, Love It To Death, or School's Out. :) |
| 16:30.36 | jnork | chouimat: Nope. They get free coffee and great benefits. |
| 16:30.44 | jnork | I mean, OTHER great benefits. :) |
| 16:31.02 | kergoth | free coffee.. its almost tempting to get a part time job there for th at alone |
| 16:31.05 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:31.08 | jnork | kergoth: "Thank you for contributing towards our benefits!" |
| 16:31.13 | chouimat | jnork: like what ... if you're a woman the manager attention? |
| 16:31.28 | jnork | chouimat: No, like health benefits and stuff. |
| 16:31.38 | jnork | And my wife's manager IS a woman. |
| 16:31.46 | chouimat | jnork: sorry here my taxes serve that purpose |
| 16:31.58 | jnork | chouimat: Canada? |
| 16:32.05 | chouimat | jnork: but that doesn't mean anything anymore |
| 16:32.10 | jnork | *nod* |
| 16:32.14 | chouimat | jnork: eastern Quebec ... |
| 16:32.30 | jnork | OK, that's SORT of like Canada. |
| 16:33.10 | chouimat | jnork: you know the place that pay their IT manager 40K cad a year and ask you 53% of taxes every year ... |
| 16:33.55 | chouimat | and the 40 000 is if you are lucky ... the first year salaie is 32 to 36K |
| 16:34.05 | jnork | Yeah. |
| 16:34.19 | chouimat | ibot change 40 000 cad to usd |
| 16:34.27 | chouimat | ibot change 40 000 cad in usd |
| 16:34.34 | chouimat | bah |
| 16:34.45 | jnork | Try a comma or period instead of a space? |
| 16:34.59 | jnork | Anyway, I get the idea. |
| 16:35.04 | chouimat | 29,993.98 USD |
| 16:35.33 | jnork | It's not really any better here, we just have different clever ways of screwing our citizens. |
| 16:36.25 | chouimat | jnork: I don't mind to pay high taxes ... but I don't have any services ... my grand mother waited 6 months for a surgery and she was lucky |
| 16:36.41 | jnork | *nod* |
| 16:37.39 | jnork | Not I Want A Rock by They Might Be Giants? |
| 16:39.22 | jnork | Yep. |
| 16:39.34 | jnork | A kinky one. |
| 16:40.22 | jnork | Dammit. Was about to look something up on the 'web. Now I forget what. |
| 16:40.56 | chouimat | jnork: but not too much ... I want one that I can have interessting conversation like on Micheal Moorcok's Elric and maybe have kids :) |
| 16:43.17 | chouimat | hmmm why when I ask for c++ qt unix jobs on monster I get MFC ones? |
| 16:47.44 | CosmicPenguin | lol |
| 16:50.06 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: and it's in Paris |
| 16:56.36 | CosmicPenguin | But you speak french |
| 16:57.53 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: yes but I hate France |
| 16:58.04 | chouimat | and MFC |
| 17:02.49 | CosmicPenguin | Morn got Nano-X working in Mono |
| 17:03.51 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin cool |
| 17:08.00 | CosmicPenguin | lol - "I have a psychic web site http://www.5starpsychicadvice.com I need something that my psychics can log in and out of to show when they are available to take calls like 5 stars that are green when the psychic is availablle and red when they arent available." |
| 17:21.25 | jnork | I keep getting notice of an embedded software job. The first main requirement is to develop embedded hardware. I think somebody has his wires crossed. |
| 17:21.55 | kergoth | hah |
| 17:21.58 | jnork | What they hell, I may apply anyway. |
| 17:22.17 | jnork | They do need to do firmware development. |
| 17:22.33 | jnork | It's just that it's really a hardware engineer job, not software. |
| 17:22.40 | jnork | Oh well. |
| 17:28.17 | fishhead | hey |
| 17:42.41 | fishhead | http://www.technologyreview.com/articles/amato1103.asp |
| 17:49.41 | mallum | fishhead: how did you mange to type the wrong thing twice into 2 channels ? |
| 17:49.57 | kergoth | mallum: 3 channels |
| 17:50.00 | kergoth | mallum: at least |
| 17:50.57 | mallum | kergoth: maybe fishhead doesn't have just the head of a fish, but also its memory span |
| 17:58.18 | CosmicPenguin | he must be a bot |
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| 18:15.09 | fishhead | the 2nd wasn't wrong |
| 18:15.19 | fishhead | I felt the 2nd would be insteresting to this channel |
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| 18:32.04 | Russ | CosmicPenguin: GL ain't too hard |
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| 19:24.22 | prpplague | wow - http://www.newsforge.com/software/03/11/03/1657205.shtml?tid=150&tid=2&tid=82&tid=94 |
| 19:25.38 | CosmicPenguin | The folks at Mandrake are probably crapping their pants they are so excited |
| 19:25.52 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:29.29 | levi | How come you're upgrading to Gentoo? |
| 19:39.21 | Russ | how is gentoo an upgrade? |
| 19:39.30 | Russ | what are you running, slackware? |
| 19:39.38 | CosmicPenguin | you guys don't like gentoo |
| 19:39.52 | Russ | good guess |
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| 19:40.40 | kergoth | andersee: morning erik |
| 19:40.52 | andersee | kergoth: morning |
| 19:40.55 | andersee | kergoth: how goes it |
| 19:41.22 | kergoth | andersee: pretty good, its a monday and nothing has exploded yet. its making me nervous :) |
| 19:41.24 | CosmicPenguin | why so much hatred for gentoo? |
| 19:41.25 | kergoth | andersee: you? |
| 19:41.39 | andersee | kergoth: ok |
| 19:41.54 | levi | I don't hate gentoo, I'm just curious why you picked it. |
| 19:41.57 | andersee | kergoth: I'm planning on pushing out a uClibc release this evening |
| 19:42.07 | kergoth | andersee: nice, glad to hear it :) |
| 19:42.13 | andersee | levi: it has sane build dependancy meta-data |
| 19:42.35 | kergoth | i dont like gentoo's distributionisms |
| 19:42.39 | kergoth | their buildsystem is nice though |
| 19:42.45 | CosmicPenguin | I'm not a huge Debian fan |
| 19:42.49 | levi | I like my gentoo system, but I don't like waiting for everything to compile. |
| 19:42.58 | CosmicPenguin | I don't mind that |
| 19:43.17 | CosmicPenguin | Bootmenu! |
| 19:43.17 | andersee | kergoth: I have built Debian with this verion of uClibc, and everything seems to be working |
| 19:43.18 | CosmicPenguin | :) |
| 19:43.19 | levi | I didn't think I would, but it occasionally gets annoying. |
| 19:43.30 | kergoth | andersee: coool :) |
| 19:43.36 | andersee | :-) |
| 19:43.37 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:45.22 | andersee | Once you get a core of ~500 packages, things get easier |
| 19:48.50 | Russ | andersee: autotools are really bad for that |
| 19:49.26 | prpplague | sjhill: i'm beginning to think montavista keeps a Press release in the wings just for when timesys puts one out |
| 19:49.27 | andersee | Russ: esp where package A want one version, and package B wants a different version |
| 19:49.35 | andersee | Russ: sigh |
| 19:49.47 | Russ | andersee: you could setup a buildd that does chroot builds |
| 19:50.06 | andersee | Russ: I'd like to do that soon |
| 19:50.06 | Russ | thats what the debian buildd does |
| 19:50.53 | andersee | Russ: It doesn't build a base system for you though |
| 19:51.17 | andersee | Russ: that is what I've been building -- enough to hopefully get a buildd running |
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| 19:56.57 | sjhill | prpplague: heh, probably :) |
| 19:57.10 | sjhill | prpplague: why, did they just have one? |
| 19:57.51 | prpplague | sjhill: yea, posted about 20 minutes after timesys |
| 19:58.27 | TimRiker | andersee: so is there going to be one or more uclibc debian feeds? |
| 20:00.20 | andersee | TimRiker: that is the theory, though I really don't have the bandwidth to host that for the world |
| 20:16.42 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: we need to get some nanoxdev and pixdev debian targets in there somewhere |
| 20:18.47 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: that'd be good |
| 20:19.12 | CosmicPenguin | I've been looking for somebody to do the debian side of things |
| 20:35.08 | TimRiker | andersee: you there? |
| 20:35.17 | andersee | TimRiker: yep |
| 20:35.54 | TimRiker | the testsuite/ in bb is copyright all to one user. per README. accept patches to add TI tests there and change the README to reflect different copyright? |
| 20:36.25 | TimRiker | now 2002 Matt Kraai |
| 20:36.49 | andersee | Still GPL? |
| 20:36.58 | andersee | I have |
| 20:37.02 | TimRiker | sure. GPL, LGPL both fine. |
| 20:37.23 | TimRiker | also tests/* should be integrated with the others? |
| 20:37.27 | andersee | no problem by me |
| 20:37.37 | andersee | yes |
| 20:37.44 | TimRiker | k. Matt still active? should probably ping him first. |
| 20:37.51 | andersee | The tests/* stuff is older |
| 20:38.05 | TimRiker | what's the status with your "other" test suites? any public? |
| 20:38.09 | andersee | TimRiker: he is still contributing to the debian-installer and posts often there |
| 20:38.14 | TimRiker | bryanw is looking for printf tests etc. |
| 20:38.15 | andersee | TimRiker: nope |
| 20:38.43 | andersee | TimRiker: but this is pretty nice: http://ltp.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:39.02 | TimRiker | k. bryanw: ping Matt first to confirm and then let's get our tests rolled into the testsuite/ stuff if he approves. |
| 20:39.21 | TimRiker | andersee: yeah, we are using ltp stuff and contributing back already. |
| 20:39.30 | andersee | me too |
| 20:40.01 | TimRiker | k. sounds like a plan. |
| 20:40.18 | TimRiker | busybox.1 has no tie to the embedded app help, yes? |
| 20:40.37 | TimRiker | would be nice in the long term to generate/modify the man page based on the config. |
| 20:43.31 | andersee | BusyBox.1 is autogenerated from the content of busybox_header.pod, busybox_footer.pod, and busybox.pod. autodocifier.pl rips the embedded help text from include/usage.h and includes that |
| 20:44.12 | andersee | TimRiker: ideally, I'd like to throw away all the .pod stuff and use autogenerated sgml |
| 20:44.34 | andersee | TimRiker: just hasn't been much of a priority thus far |
| 20:45.02 | TimRiker | ah. so the man page should change based on config at present? |
| 20:45.08 | TimRiker | that's something. ;-) |
| 20:45.26 | TimRiker | sgml, why? to get txt and postscript etc output? |
| 20:45.46 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:46.14 | TimRiker | kergoth: a link to the main busybox man page good enough? ;-) |
| 20:46.39 | kergoth | but but.. thats too easy |
| 20:46.41 | kergoth | :P) |
| 20:46.41 | kergoth | er |
| 20:46.42 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:47.38 | andersee | kergoth: heh |
| 20:48.09 | andersee | I've also had on my todo list for a few years to add an option to make each applet standalone |
| 20:48.52 | bryanw | andersee: i'll get on the busybox mailing list when i get home |
| 20:49.58 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: standalone applets would be a nice feature |
| 20:50.39 | andersee | The basic idea gcc -Dfoo_main=main |
| 20:53.50 | prpplague | sjhill: ping |
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| 21:02.50 | sjhill | prpplague: pong |
| 21:05.38 | prpplague | sjhill: any knowledge of a linux/uclinux based print server that timesys might have worked on? |
| 21:16.07 | fishhead | wow |
| 21:16.12 | fishhead | redhat linux is dead |
| 21:16.30 | CosmicPenguin | *free* redhat linux is dead |
| 21:16.53 | fishhead | yeah I know |
| 21:17.05 | CosmicPenguin | Redhat linux is still available |
| 21:17.08 | CosmicPenguin | Just not free |
| 21:17.09 | fishhead | so can anyone give me any tips for linux on a 8 meg of ram system |
| 21:17.18 | prpplague | jeeze i must have scared sjhill off |
| 21:17.26 | fishhead | ways to shrink ram usage |
| 21:17.34 | fishhead | I am going to run microwindows |
| 21:17.37 | kergoth | dont run bloated shit |
| 21:18.04 | fishhead | what is bloated |
| 21:18.13 | kergoth | openoffice.org |
| 21:18.15 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:18.17 | CosmicPenguin | Mozilla |
| 21:18.23 | fishhead | oh |
| 21:18.24 | fishhead | yeah |
| 21:18.37 | levi | I used to run Linux on a 6mb machine. But that was a loooong time ago. |
| 21:18.43 | CosmicPenguin | And busybox - that stuff is crap! :D |
| 21:18.55 | CosmicPenguin | Oh, andersee! Nice to see you here.... :) |
| 21:19.07 | chouimat | lol |
| 21:19.08 | levi | I think it was before Linux 1.0 |
| 21:20.01 | fishhead | well any suggestions ? |
| 21:20.08 | fishhead | any compiler options etc I should try |
| 21:20.12 | fishhead | I think I am going to use a gentoo base |
| 21:20.21 | kergoth | ahaha |
| 21:20.26 | CosmicPenguin | --size=reallyreallysmall |
| 21:21.03 | CosmicPenguin | Wouldn't that be a nice option? |
| 21:21.36 | fishhead | there are some options |
| 21:21.36 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: that would put us all out of work. Then what would we do with ourseleves all day? |
| 21:21.41 | fishhead | speed vs size |
| 21:21.45 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: true |
| 21:21.49 | andersee | :-) |
| 21:23.54 | fishhead | cosmic must be a canuck |
| 21:24.39 | CosmicPenguin | So no sane American would enjoy snow? |
| 21:24.51 | fishhead | cosmic I a sick of snow |
| 21:25.11 | CosmicPenguin | And, for a variety of reasons, I am glad tht I am not you |
| 21:25.27 | fishhead | well I kissed a telephone pole a yr ago |
| 21:25.35 | fishhead | so I don't particularry like snow anymore |
| 21:25.42 | kergoth | heh, smart mvoe |
| 21:25.57 | fishhead | uhh dude I hit a ice patch |
| 21:26.06 | chouimat | kergoth: so how is the p615? |
| 21:26.15 | kergoth | chouimat: quick :) |
| 21:26.55 | chouimat | kergoth: ok I didn't try anything on it yet ... |
| 21:28.03 | fishhead | seriously guys |
| 21:28.14 | fishhead | what's the best way to go with a embedded linux setup for this old laptop |
| 21:28.23 | fishhead | does ulibc reduce the size a lot ? |
| 21:28.27 | fishhead | I am talking about ram |
| 21:28.28 | kergoth | yes |
| 21:28.31 | fishhead | I don't care about disk space |
| 21:34.16 | fishhead | I wouldn't even have a remote clue how to replace in ulibc |
| 21:39.06 | chouimat | kergoth: yup it's fast ... Regina ReXX 3.2: 4m14s on my P3, 48s on the p615 and 45s on my cluster |
| 21:40.54 | fishhead | I have to hack the keyboard on this damn thing |
| 21:41.00 | fishhead | probably remove a key connection |
| 21:41.16 | fishhead | because the dipshits let you switch to the cmos setup in the middle of a os like linux |
| 21:41.25 | fishhead | which of course goes to real mode and trashes everything |
| 21:41.53 | fishhead | and the function key is beside the alt key |
| 21:41.59 | fishhead | making switching consoles dangerous |
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| 22:31.38 | TimRiker | andersee: when do we see uclibc debian platforms on the mirror sites? |
| 22:32.35 | andersee | TimRiker: when ti sends me a pile of money |
| 22:32.37 | andersee | :-) |
| 22:33.17 | andersee | TimRiker: honestly, I'm hoping to get uClibc 0.9.22 out the door today |
| 22:34.25 | TimRiker | I meant the debian dist you are building. is debian planning to support that any time soon? |
| 22:35.57 | andersee | TimRiker: well, after I get the release out, I need to rebuild all the .debs vs the released uClibc |
| 22:36.16 | andersee | TimRiker: and then I can make it available |
| 22:37.28 | TimRiker | or arm-uclibc would be even better. |
| 22:37.34 | andersee | TimRiker: the debian-embedded folks (debian-embedded@lists.debian.org) have expressed interest on standardizing on uClibc |
| 22:37.53 | andersee | TimRiker: So I imagine my efforts would form the beginning of that effort |
| 22:38.01 | andersee | TimRiker: and I've not yet started on arm |
| 22:38.27 | andersee | TimRiker: The x86 one took me a couple of weeks to assemble |
| 22:38.46 | andersee | TimRiker: So there is a fair amount of effort involved in bootstrapping the thing |
| 22:38.53 | andersee | i.e. for arm |
| 22:41.09 | andersee | And at least for x86, I bootstrapped the thing natively (since .debs are not very cross-compile friendly) |
| 22:42.01 | andersee | So using my spare netwinder, and a mostly empty disk, it will still take probably several weeks to get uClibc/Debian on arm bootstrapped |
| 22:42.44 | andersee | Though having done x86, and worked out the kinks in uClibc, the process itself should be faster |
| 22:43.14 | andersee | But the long compile times running on my ~200 mhz winder will be a killer |
| 23:00.07 | fishhead | andersee |
| 23:00.18 | fishhead | are there any ulibc based x86 distros yet ? |
| 23:01.50 | andersee | fishhead: yes |
| 23:02.44 | fishhead | what's the name |
| 23:02.53 | fishhead | I got a 8 meg ram laptop I want to throw microwindows on |
| 23:16.30 | prpplague | anyone been able to get ansi blinking text to work under xterm or rxvt? |
| 23:23.18 | TimRiker | fishhead: best bet is probably to use the uclibc buildroot and add to that. |
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