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| 00:07.30 | chouimat|down | hi |
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| 01:00.19 | chouimat | hi prpplague |
| 01:01.29 | prpplague | chouimat: hey |
| 01:03.10 | chouimat | prpplague: go see http://ulyx.ath.cx/ex.jpg |
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| 01:05.02 | Drizzt321 | can someone in here give me a hand getting uClib to compile? |
| 01:05.02 | prpplague | chouimat: ? |
| 01:05.09 | Drizzt321 | it doesn't seem to 'see' my kernel headers |
| 01:05.30 | chouimat | prpplague: the only surviving photo of my wedding |
| 01:06.21 | prpplague | chouimat: ah |
| 01:06.43 | chouimat | prpplague unfortunatly not her best photo |
| 01:06.47 | prpplague | Drizzt321: depends on how you have your toolchain and other environment variables |
| 01:07.04 | prpplague | chouimat: i'm outty, gotta finish packing |
| 01:07.08 | prpplague | chouimat: later |
| 01:07.21 | chouimat | prpplague leaving for somewhere? |
| 01:07.44 | prpplague | chouimat: honduras, opening a data center sunday night |
| 01:08.12 | Drizzt321 | prpplague: hrm, well, I'm running debian testing/unstable and I'm trying to put together my own 'lfs' set for a cf device, I'm rather new at this type of stuff |
| 01:08.45 | prpplague | Drizzt321: uclibc is a rough way to get started if your a newbie |
| 01:09.07 | prpplague | Drizzt321: my suggestion is get you stuff working properly with a standard libc first |
| 01:09.23 | Drizzt321 | prpplague: heh, ah well. do I really need it if I'm not going to ever compile anything for it? I've already gotten busybox configured, and compiled and put into where my root fs will eventually be completed |
| 01:09.28 | chouimat | prpplague have fun ... I'm going to quebec city tomorrow and I need to downgrade a product from 5.1 to 4.8 because I can't get the 5.1 based working |
| 01:10.21 | Drizzt321 | prpplague: problem is I have 32megs tops for the compact flash card, I was thinking of using cramfs(maybe) to pack it further in |
| 01:10.22 | prpplague | Drizzt321: hmm, well if you have already compilied busybox and gotten you kernel compilied you probably have already link against a standard libc |
| 01:10.31 | Drizzt321 | prpplague: ah |
| 01:10.35 | prpplague | Drizzt321: 32mb is alot of space |
| 01:10.55 | Drizzt321 | prpplague: heh, yea, I know for this type of thing |
| 01:10.58 | prpplague | Drizzt321: IMHO uclibc if for serious space issues |
| 01:11.02 | Drizzt321 | prpplague: and what do you think of 64megs of ram? ;) |
| 01:11.23 | prpplague | Drizzt321: i.e. 2mb ram 1mb flash |
| 01:12.01 | Drizzt321 | prpplague: damn |
| 01:12.04 | prpplague | Drizzt321: 32mb flash 64 flash is pretty standard config for most arm based systems and runs well |
| 01:12.09 | prpplague | oops |
| 01:12.17 | Drizzt321 | prpplague: not arm, transmeta(x86), close enough tho |
| 01:12.18 | prpplague | i mean 32mb flash 64mb ram |
| 01:12.22 | Drizzt321 | yea |
| 01:12.34 | prpplague | Drizzt321: oh, well then your good to go |
| 01:12.45 | prpplague | Drizzt321: no cross compile nessary |
| 01:12.48 | Drizzt321 | actually...I'm not sure if its 64 ram or 96 ram |
| 01:12.48 | Drizzt321 | exactly |
| 01:13.31 | Drizzt321 | prpplague: now, my problem is getting something put together to even boot so I can inspect the system hardware a bit more...my problem is the keyboard is IR |
| 01:13.52 | prpplague | not really a big deal |
| 01:14.00 | Drizzt321 | ok, good, I was thinking so |
| 01:14.06 | prpplague | Drizzt321: got usb? |
| 01:14.17 | Drizzt321 | now, for busybox and the kernel I'm going to use, should I recompile and statically link? |
| 01:14.25 | Drizzt321 | prpplague: yes, and modem(hardware based), and nic :-D |
| 01:14.30 | Drizzt321 | prpplague: don't have a usb keyboard tho |
| 01:15.14 | prpplague | Drizzt321: oh, well i'd suggest getting one |
| 01:15.23 | Drizzt321 | prpplague: whys that? |
| 01:15.32 | Drizzt321 | prpplague: just to make things alot easier to begin with? |
| 01:15.36 | prpplague | Drizzt321: easy way of getting things tested |
| 01:15.58 | prpplague | Drizzt321: you using an ide to cf adapter?? |
| 01:16.06 | Drizzt321 | prpplague: so my questions...should I statically link busybox? |
| 01:16.35 | Drizzt321 | prpplague: nope, not that I know of...for my dev box, its a usb cf reader, and I'm guessing the devices is just standard cf reader, since it ran a version of linux of sorts |
| 01:16.38 | prpplague | Drizzt321: depends on how confident you are the libs |
| 01:17.05 | prpplague | Drizzt321: and thats what it boots from? the cf card? |
| 01:17.08 | Drizzt321 | prpplague: umph, is just following the linux from scratch guide my best bet to get something together to install? |
| 01:17.09 | Drizzt321 | prpplague: yes |
| 01:17.31 | Drizzt321 | prpplague: since I don't have much of a clue as to what I truely need for a complete system |
| 01:17.33 | prpplague | Drizzt321: hmm, sounds kinda odd |
| 01:17.55 | Drizzt321 | ? |
| 01:18.05 | prpplague | Drizzt321: you already had it booting from the cf card? |
| 01:18.34 | Drizzt321 | prpplague: well...it boots with the cf card that was originally in there, which ran midori modified for the aolcrap that the thing was marketed for |
| 01:18.58 | prpplague | Drizzt321: boots with or from the cf? |
| 01:19.05 | Drizzt321 | prpplague: midori is transmeta's linux distro, which I can't get to compile correctly so I've said screw it since it has older versions of everything anyways and hasn't been activaly maintained for a looong time |
| 01:19.14 | Drizzt321 | prpplague: far as I can see _from_ the cf |
| 01:19.27 | prpplague | Drizzt321: what hardware platform is this? |
| 01:19.32 | Drizzt321 | prpplague: since with it out, I get essentially jack squat except for a few weird chars on the screen |
| 01:20.16 | Drizzt321 | prpplague: x86 transmeta crusoe chip with touch screen lcd, usb, ethernet, modem, IR keyboard with a small joystick for the mouse device |
| 01:20.41 | prpplague | Drizzt321: i mean is this a commercialy available platform? |
| 01:21.03 | Drizzt321 | prpplague: 400mhz, 64(maybe 96) megs of ram, and uses a cf card for its main storage(aka the kernel and where to load the root filesystem from) |
| 01:21.19 | Drizzt321 | ah...yes, however far as I know it was a flop and isn't produced anymore |
| 01:21.47 | prpplague | hmm, i seriously doubt that it was a usb cf card adapter then |
| 01:22.00 | prpplague | Drizzt321: got a url on some specs? |
| 01:22.02 | Drizzt321 | oh...yea...good point |
| 01:22.07 | Drizzt321 | prpplague: umm...let me find it again |
| 01:23.42 | Drizzt321 | prpplague: here is the exact system I have http://support.gateway.com/support/allsysteminfo.asp?sn=1096938284 |
| 01:25.38 | Drizzt321 | prpplague: heres more stats... http://support.gateway.com/s/Netppliance/2800032/Product.shtml |
| 01:27.24 | prpplague | Drizzt321: yea looking at them |
| 01:27.45 | prpplague | Drizzt321: 99% probablity if it has an internal CF hard its booting as an IDE device |
| 01:27.53 | Drizzt321 | prpplague: pretty nifty little thing, huh? |
| 01:28.06 | Drizzt321 | prpplague: ahhh....so I should probably enable ide with a generic drive on my kernel? |
| 01:29.15 | prpplague | Drizzt321: http://www.linux-hacker.net/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowBoard&Board=aolgw&Idle=&Sort=&Order=&Session= |
| 01:29.25 | prpplague | Drizzt321: everything you wanted to know about putting linux on that |
| 01:29.46 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: wow, that was quick |
| 01:29.48 | Drizzt321 | d00d, you the BOMB |
| 01:29.50 | prpplague | Drizzt321: roger? |
| 01:29.54 | prpplague | Drizzt321: lol |
| 01:29.59 | prpplague | Drizzt321: we hack here |
| 01:30.06 | prpplague | chouimat: ain't that right? |
| 01:30.09 | Drizzt321 | prpplague: as I said, I'm new at this particular type of stuff |
| 01:30.13 | Drizzt321 | CosmicPenguin: might as well! |
| 01:30.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: oh shut up, i'll have to stop dropping your name in interviews, lol |
| 01:31.12 | prpplague | doh, my bats in my cat5 tester are dead |
| 01:31.20 | prpplague | off to the store and packing |
| 01:31.21 | Drizzt321 | lol |
| 01:31.22 | prpplague | later folks |
| 01:31.44 | CosmicPenguin | Cuz' right now this sucker is running like molasses (i.e 40 seconds to launch Mozilla)! |
| 01:31.51 | CosmicPenguin | Thats about right - thats what we saw on the Geode |
| 01:36.45 | signal11_ | don't dis the geode man |
| 01:48.06 | jacques | D |
| 02:02.45 | CosmicPenguin | signal11_: I haven't earned the right to diss the geode? |
| 02:05.14 | signal11_ | just kidding |
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| 02:23.55 | | i haven't seen 'caseyanderson', TimRiker |
| 02:26.20 | chouimat | hey TimRiker |
| 02:29.19 | chouimat|down | hmmm -3C tonight ... |
| 02:53.04 | chouimat | night |
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| 03:35.25 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: botsnack |
| 03:35.25 | | :), CosmicPenguin |
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| 11:36.37 | chouimat | morning |
| 11:51.27 | TomW | Good morning! |
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| 12:17.58 | chouimat | hi TomW |
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| 13:24.40 | TomW | chouimat: hello, I may be able to get you one of those boards soon, the webpal ISA. |
| 13:26.34 | chouimat | TomW: cool ... I will be able to use this board to flash the rom? |
| 13:27.44 | TomW | chouimat: hopefully, at the very least, be able to boot from the compact flash / ide. |
| 13:28.10 | chouimat | ok good ... |
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| 13:28.17 | TomW | chouimat: I have some 8051 work to clear off, that should be soon, then I can get back to blob. |
| 13:28.57 | chouimat | TomW I have some embedded freebsd work to finish for 11h30 ... and my box is still compiling :( |
| 13:29.20 | TomW | chouimat: it's work |
| 13:30.17 | chouimat | TomW: the problem is I need to be in Quebec City for 17h30 ... I have a date ... but if I take the 16h30 bus I will be there at 18h50 ... so I need to take the 12h00 express |
| 13:30.47 | TomW | heh |
| 13:30.56 | TomW | express trip to see a woman |
| 13:31.21 | TomW | chouimat: they are wonderful creatures, aren't they? |
| 13:31.23 | TomW | :) |
| 13:32.28 | chouimat | and some clients tomorrow ... the woman in question I'm waiting for her for nearly 4 years ... and since we're both strong headed, no one did the first move ... |
| 13:36.46 | chouimat | TomW i don't call that a trip only 145km |
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| 13:51.03 | CosmicPenguin | Morning |
| 13:59.20 | chouimat | hey CosmicPenguin |
| 13:59.30 | CosmicPenguin | morning |
| 14:15.39 | chou|basment | boring |
| 14:16.46 | chou|basment | ok time to go back my stuff ... while the system compile |
| 14:27.25 | chouimat | arrrgggg it's snowing |
| 14:28.21 | CosmicPenguin | mmmm.... snow |
| 14:29.43 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin snow == cold weather and cold weather == need to buy new winter boots and new coat and if me don't have enough $$$ to buy new computer stuff me don't have $$$ to get new winter stuff |
| 14:30.57 | CosmicPenguin | true |
| 14:31.12 | CosmicPenguin | But if you have lived all your life in winter climes, winter clothing is second nature |
| 14:31.19 | CosmicPenguin | I can't live without my sorel boots |
| 14:31.29 | CosmicPenguin | And I moved from Wyoming 6 years ago |
| 14:31.31 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin too warm |
| 14:32.08 | CosmicPenguin | mmmm.... sorel..... |
| 14:32.28 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin I have a boots but I need to get them fix ... sorel here is a small town full of morons |
| 14:33.02 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: its been so long since I've experienced a decent winter |
| 14:33.45 | chou|basment | CosmicPenguin: just last winter ... I really like the -42C while going in club |
| 14:34.12 | CosmicPenguin | Thats not to shabby |
| 14:34.46 | CosmicPenguin | I don't think it sucks nearly as bad when it gets in the -30F range as it does when its about -5 or so |
| 14:35.04 | CosmicPenguin | You still need to cover up - but it seems more bearable to me for some reason |
| 14:35.23 | CosmicPenguin | mabye its because there is absolutely no water vapor in the air and so the air is dryer or something |
| 14:35.25 | chou|basment | CosmicPenguin: the problem here humidity |
| 14:35.54 | CosmicPenguin | no doubt - in wyoming if it gets over 30% humidity, something is very wrong |
| 14:36.05 | CosmicPenguin | Like, metor hitting the earth wrong |
| 14:36.59 | chou|basment | CosmicPenguin: here if it's get at 30% we have a nice dry day ... last summer we got about 29C-32C (i know that not hot) but with 76-88% humidity it's ... |
| 14:37.31 | CosmicPenguin | It sucks |
| 14:51.38 | chou|basment | hmmm howto duplicate a line in vi? I know i'm dumb |
| 14:52.00 | CosmicPenguin | chou|basment: :q and then at the prompt type 'emacs' |
| 14:55.22 | chou|basment | CosmicPenguin: nm I changer my editor var |
| 15:03.40 | chou|basment | TomW: you won't need them :) |
| 15:04.23 | TomW | nm, they look like something I would use going hunting, or workmans' outdoor boots. |
| 15:05.04 | CosmicPenguin | If you habitally get more than 12 inches of snow a year in your particular location they are a life saver |
| 15:05.09 | chou|basment | TomW: ho living in canada |
| 15:05.23 | CosmicPenguin | Especially with the first snowfalls of the year, which tend to be quite wet |
| 15:05.47 | chou|basment | CosmicPenguin: like today |
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| 15:18.34 | CosmicPenguin | supid deprecated headers |
| 15:20.29 | CosmicPenguin | Does anyone know the right #define to use to handle deprecated C++ headers? |
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| 15:27.29 | CosmicPenguin | In other news - props to arm-linux 3.3 for finally pointing out that char is signed on the arm |
| 15:31.49 | Russ | snow? |
| 15:32.26 | Russ | http://www.weather.com/weather/local/85048?lswe=85048&lwsa=WeatherLocalUndeclared |
| 15:32.55 | CosmicPenguin | Undeclared weather? |
| 15:32.57 | CosmicPenguin | That sounds serious |
| 15:35.08 | kergoth | ugh i hate char signedness assumptions |
| 15:35.12 | kergoth | morning :) |
| 15:35.16 | CosmicPenguin | morning |
| 15:36.48 | CosmicPenguin | 3.3 is definately better at warnings then its predecesors |
| 15:40.39 | CosmicPenguin | const short max_val[3] = { {23}, {59}, {59} }; |
| 15:40.42 | CosmicPenguin | das is not legal? |
| 15:40.49 | Russ | no |
| 15:41.06 | CosmicPenguin | Oh, I guess not |
| 15:41.06 | Russ | const short max_val[3] = { 23, 59, 59 }; |
| 15:41.29 | CosmicPenguin | But why was it legal before - thats the million dollar question |
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| 15:55.21 | TimRiker | anyone know Kenton Wilson? used to work at Lineo. |
| 15:57.22 | CosmicPenguin | NOpe |
| 15:57.44 | sieve | morning all |
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| 16:02.14 | TimRiker | me neither. |
| 16:03.42 | CosmicPenguin | /usr/local/arm/3.3/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/3.3.1/../../../../arm-linux/bin/ld: failed to set dynamic section sizes: Bad value |
| 16:03.48 | CosmicPenguin | Bad value! Don't mess on the floor! |
| 16:04.25 | CosmicPenguin | what in the name of crumbcake does that mean? |
| 16:05.11 | CosmicPenguin | /usr/local/arm/3.3/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/3.3.1/../../../../arm-linux/bin/ld: libfltk.so.1: undefined versioned symbol name std::time_put_w@@GLIBCPP_3.2 |
| 16:05.14 | CosmicPenguin | Eh? |
| 16:05.36 | kergoth | hey, we've seen that trying to build certain packages in opie |
| 16:05.39 | kergoth | dunno what causes it |
| 16:05.39 | TimRiker | ~message for andersee what do you know about Kenton Wilson? |
| 16:06.03 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: how do you fix it? |
| 16:06.26 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: let me know if you find out:P |
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| 16:10.21 | CosmicPenguin | http://root.cern.ch/root/roottalk/roottalk03/3644.html |
| 16:11.52 | CosmicPenguin | or not |
| 16:12.28 | CosmicPenguin | http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-help/2003-04/msg00255.html |
| 16:16.50 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: you're not going to like this |
| 16:17.21 | CosmicPenguin | or wait - scratch that |
| 16:47.50 | sjhill | might as well do something usefu |
| 16:47.51 | sjhill | l |
| 16:48.49 | CosmicPenguin | Got a picture to hang? |
| 16:48.54 | sjhill | lol |
| 17:27.23 | CosmicPenguin | signal11_: ping |
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| 19:28.38 | CosmicPenguin | TimRiker: who at Lineo was ever playing with Microwindows? |
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| 19:35.15 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: as far as I know, nobody... |
| 19:35.38 | CosmicPenguin | I hate the microwindows community |
| 19:35.48 | CosmicPenguin | There is so much development going on in secret |
| 19:35.54 | CosmicPenguin | But nobody ever contributes |
| 19:36.09 | TimRiker | andersee: get my botmail? |
| 20:30.41 | Russ | 'Does anyone know of an antivirus product out there for Red Hat 9 (kernel 2.4.21) on an Intel box that has a GUI and automatic updates?' |
| 20:31.31 | CosmicPenguin | Wasn't there one, but they just got bought out by a US antivirus company and the LInux devel suspended? |
| 20:31.32 | CosmicPenguin | RAX? |
| 20:31.33 | CosmicPenguin | RAS? |
| 20:31.34 | CosmicPenguin | RAD? |
| 20:31.41 | Russ | he isn't talking about that |
| 20:31.50 | Russ | he wants norton for linux |
| 20:31.58 | CosmicPenguin | Huh.... |
| 20:35.53 | file[laptop] | Russ: I use NAI |
| 20:36.04 | file[laptop] | but it's command line I'm afraid :\ |
| 20:36.40 | file[laptop] | it scans my e-mail when stuff comes in, scans my fileserver files evernight at midnight, and updates itself at midnight |
| 20:37.17 | ade|home | what does it scan against? |
| 20:37.36 | file[laptop] | one sec |
| 20:38.04 | file[laptop] | Scanning for 82242 viruses, trojans, and variants. |
| 20:38.30 | file[laptop] | it has a database from NAI... |
| 20:38.33 | file[laptop] | updated every week or so |
| 20:40.11 | ade|home | i guess you have windows boxen connecting to your server then |
| 20:40.25 | ade|home | that would explain the need |
| 20:40.45 | file[laptop] | yes |
| 20:54.11 | Russ | I'm pretty sure he wants to scan his linux system for linux viruses |
| 20:55.05 | ade|home | how many are there? |
| 20:55.31 | Russ | btw, what is the free windows scanner? |
| 20:56.28 | sieve | Russ: http://housecall.trendmicro.com/ |
| 20:57.14 | sieve | that's a free online virus scanner that I have most of my friends use |
| 20:57.31 | Russ | what about one that installs |
| 20:57.34 | Russ | I thought there was one |
| 21:00.13 | sieve | I'm not sure anymore. I think kasperskey had one but that was a while back. I doubt it's free anymore. |
| 21:00.27 | CosmicPenguin | Mcafee isn't free any more? |
| 21:01.12 | sieve | not sure. It's been a while since I've had to worry about windows machines. Not too many POS's get virii.. :) |
| 21:03.50 | ade|home | lol |
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