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| 01:59.28 | chouimat|Zzzzz | night |
| 02:17.55 | TimRikerHome | ebiederm: welcome. |
| 02:18.06 | TimRikerHome | does atftp include a working mtftp client? |
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| 02:18.39 | TimRiker | also why do you think there are so many different versions of tftp servers? ugh. |
| 02:19.00 | TimRiker | your new test protocol is also multicast? |
| 02:30.16 | ebiederm | Tim Sorry I was looking at something else. |
| 02:30.26 | ebiederm | Yes my test protocol is also multicast. |
| 02:31.49 | ebiederm | As for tftp servers I suspect a lot of it has to do with the fact at inetd is problematic. And tftp is easy enough whenever someone discovers a real problem it is easier to write another server than to fix the original. |
| 02:32.26 | ebiederm | Well that and tftp is an old protocol so it has had plenty of time to accumulate implementations. |
| 02:33.24 | ebiederm | And yess aftp includes a tftp client that works with it. |
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| 02:46.24 | TimRiker | yeah atftp client/server both claim multicast. option to run as daemon instead of inetd seems to exist. |
| 02:46.55 | TimRiker | so what's yours do that atftp does not? fix the tftp broken block count size? ;-) |
| 02:47.20 | ebiederm | Given the run as daemon mode kicks in when there is any traffic I don't know that that is a big deal. |
| 02:48.51 | ebiederm | The difference is the server never needs to know about all of the clients. The downside is I don't have the code down to make it relatively polite on the network. |
| 02:49.05 | ebiederm | Multicast beyond the local area network is something I have not played with. |
| 02:52.38 | ebiederm | I don't know that the tftp block count size is broken for what it was originally intended for. How often do you need to transfer a > 32M file to boot. And you can push that up larger with a larger udp packet size and block size combination. |
| 03:05.31 | TimRiker | any other multicast file transfer protocols that are common? |
| 03:05.43 | ebiederm | The one that pxe uses. It is also based on tftp. |
| 03:05.52 | ebiederm | But it is an extension in another direction. |
| 03:06.41 | TimRiker | according to http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-johnston-tftp-multicast-02.txt it's multicast tftp in intels pxe anyway. |
| 03:07.08 | TimRiker | "another direction" ? |
| 03:08.03 | ebiederm | It has been a long time since I looked. |
| 03:08.39 | ebiederm | The current rfc picks as master and follows that client until it is done, multicasting the packets to all interested parties. |
| 03:09.24 | ebiederm | Intels pxe version uses nacks or something weird like that. |
| 03:09.42 | ebiederm | Tim something like that. |
| 03:09.43 | TimRiker | hmm. |
| 03:10.02 | ebiederm | Although I don't currently see a mention of nacks in Intels rfc. |
| 03:10.16 | TimRiker | cool. well we are planning to add multicast support to busybox tftpget. |
| 03:11.17 | TimRiker | I've been in touch with michael johnston (the author) and he is willing to test stuff with thier commercial server when he has time. |
| 03:12.13 | TimRiker | might also test booting .... /me forgets an acronym. what's the firmware in ia64 machines? he'll test 32 and 64 bit machine running that against the server we pick. likely aftpd |
| 03:12.28 | ebiederm | EFI. |
| 03:13.24 | ebiederm | It has a fun implementation that at least for the non multicast case downloads the boot file twice. |
| 03:13.27 | TimRiker | ah, yeah. EFI. ;-) |
| 03:13.54 | TimRiker | hmm. why? so you buy more intel switches? |
| 03:14.31 | ebiederm | I think the first pass is just to get the file size.... |
| 03:14.49 | TimRiker | well. time to get evening stuff done. thanx for dropping in! |
| 03:15.01 | ebiederm | ok have a good night. |
| 03:15.04 | ebiederm | bye |
| 03:15.12 | TimRiker | I'm surprised andersee has not poked his head in. (he's here just quiet) |
| 03:15.17 | TimRiker | ~seen andersee |
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| 03:15.39 | TimRiker | nite |
| 03:15.44 | ebiederm | good night. |
| 03:42.24 | andersee | Tieh? |
| 03:42.27 | andersee | err |
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| 05:58.06 | Russ | act |
| 05:58.07 | Russ | er |
| 05:58.08 | Russ | ack |
| 05:58.13 | Russ | I installed sanitizer |
| 05:58.20 | Russ | and its sending bounces |
| 05:58.36 | Russ | I sent an email somewhere, it bounced back....sanitizer rebounced...rinse, repeat |
| 06:11.41 | andersee | Russ: yipe |
| 06:55.15 | Russ | http://www.shirtninja.com/help.htm |
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| 13:45.19 | chouimat | morning |
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| 14:09.28 | chouimat | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:10.03 | prpplague | chouimat: lo |
| 14:12.05 | sieve|work | chouimat: morning |
| 14:19.25 | chouimat | http://www.askmen.com/jokes/index.html |
| 14:48.29 | prpplague | hmm, i guess you can't check in device nodes into cvs |
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| 15:04.05 | TomW | prpplague: naw, you got to build something like the mkdevs.c that I used with buildroot-webpal |
| 15:05.32 | prpplague | TomW: yea, thats what i had always done, but i never really "knew" why it was like that till i was reading earlier this morning |
| 15:18.40 | chouimat | hi TomW |
| 15:21.10 | prpplague | this forbes article must be a troll |
| 15:21.35 | chouimat | prpplague: ? |
| 15:21.37 | prpplague | i can't imagine someone being that stupid |
| 15:21.49 | CosmicPenguin | urlurlurlurlurl |
| 15:21.49 | prpplague | chouimat: http://slashdot.org/articles/03/10/14/1317251.shtml?tid=117&tid=99 |
| 15:23.35 | chouimat | prpplague: I want to keep my mind clean of all 'moron murdering' thoughts |
| 15:24.31 | CosmicPenguin | Ahem... |
| 15:24.43 | CosmicPenguin | If you don't want somebody bitching at you for stealing their software... |
| 15:24.50 | CosmicPenguin | THEN DON"T STEAL THEIR SOFTWARE, ASSHOLE! |
| 15:25.25 | levi | Heh, indeed. |
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| 15:25.50 | CosmicPenguin | This has been another glimpse at a blindingly obvious concept. I'm Lenord Nemoy. |
| 15:26.03 | chouimat | yay! I will again have roasted squirrel for dinner my cat is hunting again |
| 15:26.05 | levi | TANSTAAFL. The price of GPL code is GPLing your code, rather than $$$. |
| 15:26.22 | CosmicPenguin | But hey - look at our home town boys, Erik and Russ. fighting the big boys, and getting into Forbes... :) |
| 15:28.18 | prpplague | stupidity like that makes me boil |
| 15:28.53 | chouimat | prpplague: why do you think I didn't read the article ... I have enough with local news |
| 15:28.54 | prpplague | if your gonna pretend to be a journalist, the least you could do is try to be object |
| 15:29.24 | CosmicPenguin | Forbes == Big Business |
| 15:29.45 | CosmicPenguin | Big Business can't figure out why its so bad to grab all this free code floating around out there and use it for their own gain |
| 15:29.49 | CosmicPenguin | Ergo - Forbes != Clue |
| 15:30.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, well, i've seen it alot in the asia community, just didn't expect it here in the states |
| 15:30.30 | chouimat | prpplague: look here a newspaper send 2 journalists for 9 months undercover into the raelian sects .... and their conclusion is they didn't cloned a human being .... |
| 15:33.45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: argh, you read any of the other articles by this guy |
| 15:33.59 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I prefer not to fly into a rage this early in the morning |
| 15:34.00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: he's obviously anti-linux |
| 15:34.08 | chouimat | prpplague: feeling masochist? |
| 15:34.10 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: let me finish my last cup of coffee and try to get some work done |
| 15:34.21 | CosmicPenguin | I'll schedule some time to be outraged later |
| 15:34.26 | CosmicPenguin | There's pixilating to be done |
| 15:34.29 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: lol |
| 15:34.33 | prpplague | lyons - Imagine building a billion-dollar business without having to offer any of the usual guarantees or indemnity. No wonder IBM likes Linux. |
| 15:34.56 | chouimat | prpplague: wow an asshole |
| 15:35.51 | CosmicPenguin | note to that dude - IBM has been bulding billion-dollar businesses since before he was born |
| 15:36.48 | prpplague | i'm gonna call forbes at lunch and talk to the editor |
| 15:37.42 | prpplague | that guy does nothing but discredit forbes as a qualitative source for information |
| 15:37.43 | chouimat | hmmm M$ give the usual guarantees or indemnity? |
| 15:37.57 | prpplague | chouimat: ya right |
| 15:38.00 | prpplague | chouimat: lol |
| 15:38.05 | CosmicPenguin | They guarntee that you'll pay good money for the upgrade that fixes the holes in the previous version |
| 15:38.21 | chouimat | and get a bunch of new ones free? |
| 15:38.32 | CosmicPenguin | No - you pay for those too |
| 15:38.44 | chouimat | ok |
| 15:40.36 | chouimat | prpplague: must be an mba |
| 15:41.04 | CosmicPenguin | I love that Fed Ex commercial |
| 15:41.14 | CosmicPenguin | "Oh... you're an MBA.... I better show you how to do it then" |
| 15:42.02 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: it's a good reasons not to get one :) |
| 15:44.48 | prpplague | lol, the guy has stopped taking calls and their email server is swamped with complaints |
| 15:45.04 | chouimat | lol |
| 15:45.36 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah! The dirty communists attack! |
| 15:46.17 | prpplague | lol, i told the assitant that "they should really re-consider this guys employement" and she said "seems thats the current concensus" |
| 15:46.38 | chouimat | wow |
| 15:46.55 | kergoth | haha |
| 15:47.40 | CosmicPenguin | good stuff |
| 15:56.37 | TomW | hmm, I clicked on the "send comments" link and it seems that server is overloaded... |
| 15:57.58 | chouimat | anyone knows thee word of the "internationale"? |
| 16:01.07 | prpplague | chouimat: iirc its a song that alot of the "60's hippies" sang during sit-ins |
| 16:02.06 | chouimat | prpplague: it's the communism anthem :) |
| 16:02.22 | prpplague | chouimat: ahh |
| 16:02.35 | prpplague | chouimat: that would explain why they sang it then, lol |
| 16:02.50 | chouimat | prpplague: I just send a comment to this moron .... |
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| 16:05.10 | alira | hi |
| 16:05.47 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: hehe ... |
| 16:05.57 | CosmicPenguin | That was easy |
| 16:06.00 | CosmicPenguin | Anyone know the tune? |
| 16:07.09 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.uv.es/~pla/red.net/intaoter.html |
| 16:07.12 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: remember the USSR anthem? |
| 16:07.25 | CosmicPenguin | Was that the song they sang in Hunt for Red October? |
| 16:07.31 | chouimat | yes |
| 16:07.35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: thats what i was abou to say |
| 16:08.10 | CosmicPenguin | It probably sounds more impressive in Russian |
| 16:09.43 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: maybe you can find a mp3 on kazaa |
| 16:10.12 | CosmicPenguin | I don't care that much - it was a passing fancy... :) |
| 16:10.13 | TomW | http://www.expressresponse.com/cgi-bin/forbes/displayArticleWebForm.cgi is still loading... |
| 16:10.37 | TomW | heh, they've been slashdot'ed. :) |
| 16:11.41 | chouimat | prpplague: i think this guys just bought a computer in the last 10 years because we shared your stuff in the 80 |
| 16:28.26 | chouimat | hmmm wonders what to use to build his website |
| 16:42.05 | TomW | You know, the words of the Internationale are not that "out there", call me a commie, but, it seems to be somewhat agreeable to me. |
| 16:42.09 | levi | html! |
| 16:42.34 | TomW | chouimat: Zend |
| 16:42.48 | chouimat | TomW: url? |
| 16:43.24 | chouimat | TomW: ok the php engine |
| 16:43.29 | TomW | www.zend.com |
| 16:44.10 | TomW | We're still trying to get the registered version running, the eval copy worked great! :/ |
| 16:44.44 | TomW | maybe we should have purchased the evaluation instead? |
| 16:46.49 | chouimat | TomW: zendstudio? |
| 16:47.18 | TomW | yes |
| 16:48.05 | TomW | has stuff like: hover over a variable to get its' value, single step & breakpoint of php code, ... |
| 16:48.40 | TomW | Remote debugging, you can debug the code that is on the server. |
| 16:48.41 | chouimat | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:51.35 | chouimat | cool: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3189224.stm |
| 17:37.46 | kergoth | i should order a case of bawls |
| 17:40.59 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: you're in the big time now... :) |
| 17:41.39 | Russ | heh |
| 17:44.02 | Russ | "Probably they'll decide, like everyone else, that it's cheaper to settle than to fight." |
| 17:44.07 | Russ | so...he wants them to fight? |
| 17:58.18 | prpplague | Russ: getting voice messages now at forbes.com |
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| 19:06.50 | prpplague | jeeze, we paid a outside contractor to do some work, he check the code in with a shell script: compilemenow |
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| 19:44.42 | prpplague | andersee: there's one of the evil "linux hit man" in the flesh, lol |
| 19:49.15 | kergoth | anyone recall offhand the var for the last field in awk? |
| 19:50.01 | kergoth | ah, there we go |
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| 20:02.57 | prpplague | kergoth: love those quick answers |
| 20:03.22 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: what news from forbes? |
| 20:04.02 | kergoth | heheh |
| 20:07.39 | andersee | prpplague: muhahahahaha! |
| 20:08.14 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: fyi, if you end up playing with OE, i just changed the .oe seperator for name/version/revision to _ for simplicity |
| 20:11.00 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: beautiful |
| 20:11.46 | jacques | lol. that forbes article was trash |
| 20:12.28 | Russ | there must be something prosecutable about an article encouraging people to break the law |
| 20:12.44 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lol, nada, i suspect that mr.maidment editor at forbes.com will never take another call from me, lol |
| 20:12.45 | Russ | someone should send forbes.com an official nastygram |
| 20:13.12 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: prpplague has been harassing them all day |
| 20:13.25 | jacques | what was their point? these big companies scrweed up but it would cost them money to fix it so let's ignore the law? |
| 20:13.27 | CosmicPenguin | I'm not sure how offical he is, but he has the nasty part all covered |
| 20:13.35 | prpplague | Russ: the impression i got was the mr.maidment was happy with the kinda of PR they are getting |
| 20:13.46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lol |
| 20:14.01 | Russ | like I said, isn't it illegal to encourage people to break the law or something like that? |
| 20:14.36 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: he didn't come out and say it, but i got the feeling that he was saying "well if this stuff wasn't hitting close to home you guys won't be upset" |
| 20:14.39 | Russ | prpplague: are you calling 212-620-2228 |
| 20:14.54 | prpplague | Russ: one sec let me get the number |
| 20:15.04 | prpplague | Russ: i put it on the speed dial, lol |
| 20:16.07 | CosmicPenguin | 2:16pm up 28 days |
| 20:16.10 | CosmicPenguin | buhbye! |
| 20:16.48 | prpplague | Russ: 212-366-8900 , the switchboard lady is pretty nice, so just ask for paul maidment politely and you'll get connected to his office |
| 20:17.36 | jacques | why dont they write an article encouraging companies to pirate MS software? after all it's really overpriced. |
| 20:18.13 | prpplague | jacques: or print your own money, after all, everyone deserves to have some |
| 20:18.28 | jacques | and it's such a pain to do it the legal way |
| 20:18.44 | Russ | maybe I should call the business software piracy place and tip them off to forbes |
| 20:19.08 | jacques | hell tip thm off to cicso linksys and broadcom |
| 20:19.22 | jacques | i bet they just laugh and laugh |
| 20:19.32 | prpplague | Russ: sounds like a plan, i told mr.maidment that this lyons guys was a big liability for their company and was gonna get them in some serious trouble |
| 20:21.15 | Russ | like I said, I'm pretty sure publishing material that encourages illegal acts is some sort of crime |
| 20:21.38 | jacques | i love how the article makes it look like a secret conspiracy - WTF? |
| 20:22.12 | Russ | and the disputed code doesn't reside on the chips broadcom sold them |
| 20:22.29 | jacques | yeah that part made no sense to me |
| 20:23.00 | jacques | poor cisco - they got trapped into distributing GPL's code |
| 20:23.15 | Russ | he just read /. and didn't understand what he was reading |
| 20:23.29 | Russ | what, its not like they haven't been guilty before |
| 20:25.33 | jacques | this is one reason I distrust most huge corps - they feel they are above the law |
| 20:26.00 | prpplague | jacques: not just big companies |
| 20:26.35 | prpplague | jacques: i've had to fight with mine before on such topics as spamming, war faxing, and GPL issues |
| 20:27.00 | jacques | oh yeah I have fought companies I worked for about spamming |
| 20:34.04 | prpplague | "we are sorry mr.maidment is no long accepting calls today" |
| 20:34.43 | jacques | is this even correct "SCO, owner of the Unix operating system. " |
| 20:35.21 | Russ | yes, its the owner of *the* one and only unix operating system |
| 20:35.32 | Russ | I think I'll call sco and order "the unix operating system" |
| 20:36.08 | jacques | man that article is total sh*t "The dispute, which was leaked to an Internet message board," ... "a rare peek into the dark side of the free software movement" |
| 20:36.53 | Russ | never underestimate the power of the dark side |
| 20:36.58 | prpplague | jacques: jeeze, its like we are trading kiddie pr0n on something |
| 20:37.16 | prpplague | jacques: "dark side" |
| 20:37.53 | prpplague | jacques: i'd hate to see what mr.lyons thinks of some of the places i've been in third world countries |
| 20:38.27 | jacques | "so-called Compliance Lab" this is a total hatchet job |
| 20:38.41 | jacques | this reminds me of stranger in a strange land |
| 20:38.50 | jacques | when the media was demonizing the "cult" |
| 20:39.04 | jacques | using words like slink and slimy and under cover of darkness |
| 20:39.37 | Russ | 'These disputes might scare companies away from using open source software.' |
| 20:39.48 | Russ | insert, 'illegally' in there somewhere |
| 20:39.51 | jacques | i hope it scares them from pirating GPLd software |
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| 20:42.43 | Russ | I should make membership cards for the "dark side of the free software movement" and start distributing them |
| 20:44.44 | jacques | have you seen the new Hauppauge MediaMVP ? it says it uses linux on the box (no linux server software of course) |
| 20:44.57 | jacques | i bet they dont have the GPLd code for download |
| 20:48.34 | jacques | "the less onerous Berkeley Software Distribution license." yeah companies love that - what's yours is mine and what's mine is mine too |
| 20:49.22 | jacques | "But the Free Software Foundation doesn't want royalties--it wants you to burn down your house, or at the very least share it with cloners. " |
| 20:49.38 | prpplague | jacques: yea totally stupid |
| 20:57.39 | jacques | why not just say "the FSF and GPL want you to kill yourself in a really horrible way" |
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| 21:41.01 | file[laptop] | > ping6 www.kame.net |
| 21:41.01 | file[laptop] | PING6(56=40+8+8 bytes) 3ffe:bc0:8000::157f --> 2001:200:0:8002:203:47ff:fea5:3085 |
| 21:41.01 | file[laptop] | ping6: sendmsg: Network is down |
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| 22:26.21 | chouimat | ARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG we are doomed Celine released a new album in french ... ... and they talked about that ad nauseam in the local news |
| 22:32.13 | jacques | wow I'm surprised she had time given here current $50,000,000 contract with Caesar's palace |
| 22:33.56 | Lethal | jacques, too bad she didn't get attacked instead of roy.. :P |
| 22:34.15 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:42.43 | jacques | Lethal: lol |
| 22:42.57 | jacques | actually sigfried says the tiger was not attacking Roy |
| 22:43.14 | jacques | he claimd roy fell down and the tiger was carrying him off the stage as it would a kitten |
| 22:43.28 | jacques | he says if the tiger wanted to kill roy, he would have been dead instantly |
| 22:43.34 | jacques | (which is true I think) |
| 22:45.06 | CosmicPenguin | I tend to agree with that sort of thinking |
| 22:46.05 | jacques | the tiger could have litterally bit his head off, instead its teeth just caused massive trauma to roy's thin (relative to tigers) skin |
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| 23:56.03 | chouimat | night |