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04:12.09genbiecan anyone advice a newbie on which language is better suited for experimenting with embedded development..java or C?
04:47.36CosmicPenguinC
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04:48.42Russoh, he left
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13:30.52chouimatmorning
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13:36.06chouimathi TomW
13:36.24TomWmorning
13:37.36TomWtoday, I hope to be booting off the compact flash.  I got access to the CF device working in the bootloader last night.
13:40.37chouimatTomW: cool
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13:46.48chouimathi prpplague
13:51.52prpplaguemorning
13:56.04prpplagueha, a guy with cirrus logic told me they were gonna try and get nico to write the lcd-fb driver for their new dev board
13:58.34CosmicPenguinmorning
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14:51.06chouimathi tim
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15:58.32prpplague"mount -o loop" rocks
15:59.02TomWheh
15:59.19TomWloopback is cool
16:24.43Russhey TomW
16:24.52RussI think the cf stuff only works on the system3 right now
16:25.14TomWsystem3?
16:25.37TomWRuss: you mean blob, eh?
16:25.56Russya
16:26.00Russtalk to stefan
16:27.24TomWRuss: ok, I see that the I/O port stuff is from v2.2 kernel, it is not sources from v2.4.  The give-away is that the I/O port ranging assumes that the IDE drive is mapped out as a (char *) array, as opposed to the newer hw->io_oorts[n] of v2.4.
16:28.05TomWibot: seen stefan?
16:28.07TomW: i haven't seen 'stefan'
16:28.23Russibot: seen selectz
16:28.24Russ: i haven't seen 'selectz'
16:29.50TomWRuss: as long as he has it working, that is all I need to know.  I see that I will have to badly hack the IDE code to get it working with webpal.  webpal io_ports are every 4 bytes (u32 vs u8)
16:31.18TomWI'll edit the ide_drive_t struct and implement the regs_offset & io_ports[] concept.
16:32.54TomWInteresting thing is that the blob/src/lib/cf.c code shows how to use the IDE feature command to set the IDE drive interface to 8bit mode.  I suspected that could be done, but never ran across doc / example of how to do that.
16:37.59prpplagueTomW: seletz
16:38.15prpplagueTomW: is his nick
16:38.26prpplagueTomW: irc.oftc.net #blob
16:38.33TomWtnx
16:38.42prpplagueTomW: np, he's not online atm
16:39.06Russok
16:39.10RussQuestion from lammer
16:39.21TomWprpplague: I had wondered where #blob moved to, they used to be on irc.openprojects.net
16:39.31Russoftc
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16:41.55chouimathttp://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_822534.html <--- lol
16:49.11prpplaguechouimat: this one is better - http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_240706.html
16:51.30chouimatprpplague: bitten by wifes,lovers and dogs .... the last one is too much information for me ;)
16:51.42prpplaguechouimat: yea
16:52.17chouimatprpplague: 1st rules never give a sausage to your dog when you're naked ...
16:52.19prpplaguechouimat: makes you think "what the hell kind of situations would you be in where a dog has a the opportunity to bite of your pecker?"
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16:53.34chouimatprpplague: the girl is cheating you with the dog and he very jealous?
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16:59.09signal11_prpplague: i'll bet rotten.com has that guy on a retainer
17:09.53prpplaguesignal11_: lol
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18:43.56Russ~quote scox
18:44.25prpplague~quote rhat
18:50.49prpplagueRuss: sco need to do something about their droping stock price so they did their little press release about sgi
18:59.58prpplaguei just don't understand why the SEC hasn't done something
19:01.04CosmicPenguindamn our judical system with all that burden of proof and stuff
19:02.03prpplagueCosmicPenguin: lol
19:02.45prpplagueCosmicPenguin: well, its obvious to everyone even outsiders that sco management is proping up their stock and dumping it
19:03.40CosmicPenguinprpplague: everyone knows they're pumping up their stock price, but its not the SEC's job to determine if the claims are valid or not
19:03.55CosmicPenguinQuite obviously, if they're not, and every director sells at a hefty profit, thats bad
19:04.11CosmicPenguinBut what if the court rules the claims to be valid?
19:04.17CosmicPenguinOther than everyone getting up and moving to canada...
19:04.34fileI'm depriving Microsoft of more money, they're sending me via Purolator Air a free evaluation copy of Win2k3!
19:09.48prpplagueCosmicPenguin: uh, doesn't matter, if you use insider information to make decision on stock purchase or sale, is illegal
19:11.08signal11_moving to canada could be enjoyable
19:13.28CosmicPenguinprpplague: its really not insider trading though
19:13.36CosmicPenguinIts distributing false information to boost your stock price
19:13.46CosmicPenguin<PROTECTED>
19:15.18prpplagueCosmicPenguin: artifically==illegal
19:15.21filesignal11_: Canada is nice
19:15.27CosmicPenguinexactly
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19:15.48CosmicPenguinprpplague: but the problem is, somebody needs to prove that the information was false
19:15.58CosmicPenguinSo the way it works is this:  IBM wins and the SEC swoops in
19:16.12fileif you want broadband, just pay $52 USD/mth for 3Mbps/1Mbps
19:16.46prpplagueCosmicPenguin: thats my point, SEC should be asking SCO for evidence that what they are saying is not knowingly false
19:17.01CosmicPenguinprpplague: I don't know if the SEC has the power to do that
19:17.06prpplagueCosmicPenguin: they do
19:17.30prpplagueCosmicPenguin: they have done it before with companies who have made press releases regarding FDA approval of products
19:18.31prpplagueCosmicPenguin: but i understand your point
19:19.04prpplagueCosmicPenguin: just very frustrating watching them rake in the dough by using bold face lies and deceit
19:19.24Russprpplague: check out the herbal supplement industry sometime
19:19.48prpplagueRuss: ya, pretty crooked there too
19:20.39Russpisses me off that they can lie so boldly in advertisements
19:23.41prpplagueRuss: burden of the educated, intentional deceit is hard to accept at anytime
19:25.25prpplagueRuss: i don't like the fact that common sense has been totally removed from the corporate world, its all about stock options for the wealthy
19:25.50kergothisnt that the very definition of a corporate world? its capitalist in nature, what else do you expect
19:25.53kergothheh
19:26.08Russeveryone wants profit
19:26.23Russits just stupid peope can be and are manupilated
19:26.32Russpeople
19:26.37Russstupid people...
19:26.46kergothindeed
19:27.11W8TVI~quote txt
19:27.26Russtxt?
19:27.42W8TVITXT (Textron Inc.)
19:27.57W8TVIthey own the shop where my dad works
19:28.33W8TVIand bell helecopter, EZ-GO, and alot of others
19:32.59prpplaguekergoth: agreed, profit is the motivation, but fucking your customers and employees really shouldn't be part of your profit plan
19:33.46prpplaguekergoth: but then again, mcbride has a shit load of money from fucking ppl and companies, and here i sit with my weekly paycheck
19:34.24kergothits the logical result of a money driven society. you have to expect it.
19:34.43Russthere are always those that will cheat and steal
19:34.52kergothyep
19:36.46prpplaguethe question i have is for the ppl like my boss, who although they don't steal, it sure feels like cheating when he sells a $100 hd for $1200 and calls it "an abcs certified drive"
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19:41.41Russthats the manipulation of stupid (or ignorant) people I was talking about
19:42.26prpplagueRuss: good point
19:42.48prpplagueRuss: guess it happens every day with politicians, clinton was a master of that
19:43.03Russwhat politician insn't?
19:43.08Russthey have to to get elected
19:43.25Russa large number of voters are ignorant
19:43.47prpplagueRuss: yea, thats why we were suppose to be a "representative" democracy
19:44.04kergoththose who want to lead should under no circumstances be allowed to :)
19:44.10prpplagueRuss: or reps are suppose to vote their conciense not the will of the ppl
19:44.17prpplagues/or/our
19:47.36prpplagueRuss: invoice line item - ABCS wirless security package..........$2800.00
19:47.59prpplagueRuss: actual service - turn on wep
19:48.44fileprpplague: eek
19:48.58kergothhah.
19:50.11prpplagueabcs dial-up internet connection $997.00
19:50.22prpplagueactual service - wvdial config file
20:03.24RussI thought my old boss was bad
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21:35.19Russprpplague: whatever happened to that 32M board?
21:39.47chouimathmmm tungsten t3, E and Zire 21
21:42.04chouimat~quote scox
21:45.01prpplagueRuss: tested bad
21:45.09prpplagueRuss: looking for another one
21:45.25prpplagueRuss: we just moved offices so everything is packed up
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22:06.33Russah
22:06.35RussI can relate
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23:10.50kungfoodanyone here use debian for embeded devices?
23:11.18kungfoodif so do you use normal debian packages or the handhelds.org ipkg sytem?
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