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| 00:31.34 | Morn | who are the people who work for TI again? |
| 00:31.51 | file[wireless] | Tim... that's all I can remember |
| 00:32.04 | Morn | does he work in Dalas? |
| 00:32.15 | file[wireless] | dunno |
| 00:32.27 | Morn | ok, a friend of mine just got a job with Ti in Dalas |
| 00:33.30 | kergoth | yep, he's in dallas. as am i |
| 00:33.40 | Morn | cool |
| 00:34.15 | Morn | My friends title is Sr. Digital Design Engineer |
| 00:34.21 | Morn | Ti - Connectivity Solutions |
| 00:43.07 | timriker | and kergoth. both in dallas. |
| 00:43.14 | timriker | E&PS |
| 00:46.07 | Morn | E&PS? |
| 00:46.25 | file[wireless] | Engineering and Product Sales? bad guess. |
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| 08:47.02 | TomW | awfully quiet around here.. |
| 08:53.48 | fontenot | too quiet |
| 08:54.08 | TomW | yeah, guess that is what happens when people nod off. |
| 08:54.42 | TomW | I am looking at some of the Sharp ARM processors, like the LH79520 |
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| 14:04.41 | prpplague | morning folks |
| 14:06.15 | CosmicPenguin | morning |
| 14:29.56 | file[wireless] | bloody hell |
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| 14:36.12 | file[wireless] | hi GPSFan |
| 14:37.21 | GPSFan | file: good morning |
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| 14:38.52 | prpplague | TimRiker: morning |
| 14:39.03 | file[wireless] | there - cancelled |
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| 15:00.10 | chouimat|n7y | hi |
| 15:00.11 | file[wireless] | lol |
| 15:00.13 | file[wireless] | hi chouimat |
| 15:00.47 | file[wireless] | chouimat|n7y: do you think if I call Canadapost and ask nicely, that they'll tell me how something was sent if I give them the tracking #? |
| 15:01.05 | chouimat|n7y | file[wireless]don't kno |
| 15:01.16 | file[wireless] | k |
| 15:01.47 | file[wireless] | chouimat|n7y: Radioshack has a nice deal on an 802.11b AP - $79.99, regularly $199.99 |
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| 15:06.11 | CosmicPenguin | I don't think thats approriate |
| 15:06.20 | CosmicPenguin | you can't mess with ibot like that |
| 15:07.06 | file[wireless] | CosmicPenguin: too bad |
| 15:09.45 | CosmicPenguin | file[wireless]: I wasn't talking about you, I was angry at chouimat|n7y |
| 15:09.53 | file[wireless] | lol |
| 15:10.18 | chouimat|n7y | CosmicPenguin this is not my computer and it only have a root account on it |
| 15:14.07 | CosmicPenguin | LOL - I loaded this article about sco, and in the middle was an ad for IBM |
| 15:14.09 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.vnunet.com/News/1143155 |
| 15:14.21 | CosmicPenguin | Cue poetic irony, line 1 |
| 15:15.23 | file[wireless] | syntax error on line 1 |
| 15:25.20 | TimRiker | ~dict fatuous |
| 15:25.31 | chouimat|n7y | hi TimRiker |
| 15:25.47 | TimRiker | ircing as root I see. that's a Bad Idea(tm) |
| 15:26.08 | TimRiker | other than that, what's up? |
| 15:26.15 | chouimat|n7y | TimRikernot my computer I'm in czech republic |
| 15:28.24 | file[wireless] | chouimat|n7y: how is it there? |
| 15:29.21 | chouimat|n7y | file[wireless]nice warm weather, and the women here ... I can describe them in word since they are all quite beautiful |
| 15:29.29 | file[wireless] | lol |
| 15:32.55 | TimRiker | chouimat|n7y: if you have root on the machine, why not create a user account and run irc under that? |
| 15:34.13 | chouimat|n7y | TimRiker I didn't think about that ... i'm still tired of the long trip |
| 15:37.17 | file[wireless] | chouimat|n7y: how long you there till? |
| 15:38.34 | chouimat|n7y | file[wireless] getting in montreal airport 5 hours ... getting to amsterdam 6h, time spent in amsterdam 6 hour, get to prague 1h15, getting to nove hrady 3 hours\ |
| 15:38.56 | file[wireless] | chouimat|n7y: dear god |
| 15:39.53 | chouimat|n7y | file[wireless] not so bad\ |
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| 15:47.28 | chouimat|n7y | CosmicPenguin sorry |
| 15:49.25 | pb_ | I do wish ibot wouldn't do that. |
| 15:52.05 | George- | heh |
| 15:52.15 | George- | I think it can be disabled in the blootbot config |
| 15:56.14 | pb_ | Ah. |
| 16:09.28 | Russ | mommmy mommy mommy |
| 16:09.32 | Russ | IBM is beating me up |
| 16:10.08 | CosmicPenguin | why dat? |
| 16:11.59 | Russ | thats what sco says |
| 16:12.09 | Russ | http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/08/21/HNscoibm_1.html |
| 16:12.27 | Russ | speaking of that article |
| 16:12.40 | Russ | have you decoded your IBM orders with your magic secret decoder ring yet? |
| 16:12.42 | CosmicPenguin | Oh, yeah |
| 16:12.52 | CosmicPenguin | I have no doubt that IBM and RedHat compared notes |
| 16:13.01 | CosmicPenguin | But having said that..... |
| 16:13.05 | CosmicPenguin | Nobody told me what to think |
| 16:13.17 | CosmicPenguin | Except Richard Stallman of course... :) |
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| 16:23.12 | sieve_work | morning all |
| 16:29.27 | Russ | morning |
| 16:52.45 | TimRiker | ~chattr #eLinux -rootWarn |
| 16:52.45 | | user does not exist. |
| 16:52.51 | TimRiker | ~chanset #eLinux -rootWarn |
| 16:52.51 | | no such channel #eLinux |
| 16:52.58 | TimRiker | liar |
| 16:53.07 | TimRiker | ~chanset #elinux -rootWarn |
| 16:53.07 | | setting rootWarn for #elinux is not set. |
| 16:53.16 | TimRiker | ~chanset #elinux rootWarn 0 |
| 16:53.16 | | Setting rootWarn for #elinux to '0'. |
| 16:53.27 | TimRiker | try it now. |
| 16:55.14 | Russ | ibot: why don't you go root yourself? |
| 16:55.15 | | Russ: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 16:55.26 | Russ | ~quote scox |
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| 18:52.48 | prpplague | lol, yall read the openletter from esr to mcbride? |
| 18:55.18 | Russ | anyway to get old coldfire kernel snapshots? |
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| 19:00.49 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: url |
| 19:01.34 | TimRiker | prpplague: recent? |
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| 19:48.19 | prpplague | ya hang on |
| 19:51.45 | prpplague | http://newsforge.com/newsforge/03/08/22/1746248.shtml?tid=19 |
| 19:52.17 | prpplague | be warned the sight is being hammered |
| 19:52.20 | prpplague | site |
| 20:00.43 | prpplague | TimRiker: i hope mcbride is listening, lol |
| 20:06.49 | CosmicPenguin | THis is an example why ESR cannot be taken seriously: I'd ask if you'd found the right sort of isolated wasteland for your citadel of dread yet, but that would be a silly question; you're in Utah, after all. |
| 20:22.01 | CosmicPenguin | http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=75739&cid=6767735 |
| 20:28.44 | file[wireless] | who was it that asked me about web hosting... |
| 20:48.07 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: nice thunderstorm out today |
| 20:48.56 | prpplague | andersee: are you in flagstaf or phoenix? |
| 20:49.17 | Russ | dear god, can the people at vitals systems be any denser? |
| 20:49.21 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: did you get hit by that one last night too? |
| 20:49.25 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: that was a doozy |
| 20:49.33 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: still nice up here today |
| 20:49.49 | CosmicPenguin | But the winds they are ablowin' from down Provo way |
| 20:50.06 | Russ | the s3c2500 is basically the same as the s3c4510, but rather than making the 4510 slightly more generic |
| 20:50.38 | Russ | they just copied the samsung directory, renamed everything atb2500 (the name of the dev board, not the processor) |
| 20:52.16 | andersee | prpplague: in Springville Utah. |
| 20:52.43 | andersee | prpplague: a few towns south of SCO's secret base |
| 20:54.18 | Russ | and changed just about every little detail except functional stuff |
| 20:54.36 | Russ | so instead of UART_OE for instance, they have UART_OVERRUN |
| 20:55.13 | Russ | there are two ethernet chips on the board, and they even went so far as to have two source files |
| 20:55.22 | Russ | both with different hardcoded register addresses |
| 20:55.26 | Russ | i want to kill these people |
| 21:11.42 | prpplague | andersee: ahh |
| 21:13.39 | prpplague | ibot: seen tomw |
| 21:13.39 | | tomw <~Tom@24.229.144.86> was last seen on IRC in channel #elinux, 12h 18m 57s ago, saying: 'I am looking at some of the Sharp ARM processors, like the LH79520'. |
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| 21:20.39 | cpenguin_home | andersee: its not looking pretty |
| 21:20.50 | CosmicPenguin | Tornado near Yuba Lake |
| 21:21.13 | CosmicPenguin | It doesn't look good in Utah County right now |
| 21:21.59 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: eh? |
| 21:22.09 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: the storms? |
| 21:22.10 | CosmicPenguin | the weather |
| 21:22.12 | CosmicPenguin | yeah |
| 21:22.53 | CosmicPenguin | Its really bad up north |
| 21:32.28 | file[wireless] | A broken clock is right twice a day. |
| 21:32.31 | levi | Damn, I left my car windows open. :/ |
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| 21:35.13 | I440r | anyone in here know about JTAG ? |
| 21:41.45 | Lethal | what about it? |
| 21:42.11 | I440r | well - i sorta wannt know everything about it heh |
| 21:42.19 | I440r | as much info as i can get |
| 21:42.24 | Lethal | so read the spec |
| 21:42.30 | I440r | unfortunatly i cant afford the $99 for the IEEE 1149.1 |
| 21:42.37 | Lethal | ah |
| 21:42.39 | I440r | sure - dcc me the spec :) |
| 21:42.42 | I440r | lol |
| 21:43.09 | pb_ | I440r: I think you need #warez for that. |
| 21:43.11 | pb_ | or google. |
| 21:43.42 | I440r | lol |
| 21:43.48 | Lethal | or 99$ :P |
| 21:43.54 | I440r | i jknow - im not asking for a pirated copy of it - just INFO! |
| 21:44.04 | I440r | ok, dcc me the $99 :) |
| 21:44.14 | Lethal | ejtag is open, you might be able to glean some basic jtag background from that |
| 21:44.40 | I440r | ejtag ? |
| 21:44.47 | I440r | is it compatable with JTAG itself ? |
| 21:44.55 | I440r | because i have a specific device im trying to interface to |
| 21:45.11 | CosmicPenguin | Here comes the storm |
| 21:45.14 | Lethal | vaguely, its mostly extensions to the spec that mips likes to implement |
| 21:45.32 | Lethal | I don't have a copy of the ieee spec though, so I'm not sure how heavily the deviation is |
| 21:45.49 | Lethal | for me, usually if it works, I don't particularly care much beyond that point. |
| 21:45.50 | I440r | ill google for ejtag when this download completes |
| 21:46.00 | Lethal | you can download the ejtag spec from mips.com |
| 21:46.09 | Lethal | you might have to create one of their stupid accounts though |
| 21:46.21 | I440r | thats how MOST c coders are, they dont care how printf works etc etc etc |
| 21:46.30 | Lethal | there's also jtag tools, etc. |
| 21:46.31 | I440r | cool |
| 21:46.47 | I440r | i know about jtag tools but he doesnt publish the jtag spec with it :) |
| 21:46.48 | Lethal | there's a difference between caring about things from a useability standpoint and simply not caring |
| 21:47.16 | Lethal | jtag is a tool, if it helps me debug something or I'm forced to use it as a loader, then it gets the job done. the underlying electrical spec is beyond irrelevant :P |
| 21:47.29 | I440r | not 100% true, im of the belief that you should be useing ANY code or ANY language you arent 100% familiar with. |
| 21:47.54 | I440r | lethal im not a hardware guy so the hadware aspects of it are beyond me |
| 21:47.54 | Lethal | since we're talking about hardware, I fail to see what this has to do with anything |
| 21:48.18 | I440r | no - im talking software use of a hardware port |
| 21:48.31 | Lethal | I use gdb to interact with it |
| 21:48.49 | I440r | i.e. im not interested in its ability to do boundry scan, im interested in doing flash writes, memory read/write and instruction debug |
| 21:48.57 | Lethal | right |
| 21:49.05 | I440r | gdb is absolutely teh WORST debgger ive ever had teh misfortune to have to use heh |
| 21:49.15 | I440r | its even worse than NEC emulators lol |
| 21:49.38 | pb_ | I440r: the things you are asking about are highly target specific. suggest you refer to the datasheets for the parts in question |
| 21:49.43 | Lethal | you've obviously never had the misfortune of having to use the vxworks monitor or the spin off of it that cyclone ships. |
| 21:49.52 | Lethal | gdb might suck, but that shit redefines the meaning of suck. |
| 21:50.17 | I440r | lethal nope - is it worse than gdb ?? heh |
| 21:50.25 | Lethal | besides, when its your only way to load something onto the target, it's not bad at all. |
| 21:50.34 | Lethal | even if you want to load a real loader on in place. |
| 21:50.34 | I440r | i debugged my Forth kernel with gdb - GDB just doesnt know SHIT about debugging assembler |
| 21:50.45 | Lethal | neither does gcc about generating it |
| 21:50.50 | Lethal | its a good system. :P |
| 21:50.55 | I440r | it STILL assumes c and insists thers a bullshit stack frame and refuses to display whats on the stack |
| 21:51.49 | I440r | teh specs for the device just say "fully compliant with 11491." and leave it at that |
| 21:51.58 | I440r | erm 1149.1 even |
| 21:52.38 | I440r | nec emulators are horrible, you set a breakpoint and sometimes it doesnt stop there it just goes right through it |
| 21:52.58 | I440r | the disassembly is always of teh instruction that just got executd, you cannot tell what instruction will execute next |
| 21:53.11 | I440r | and breakpoints stop AFTER the instruction they are placed on if they do actually stop |
| 21:53.19 | pb_ | I don't believe IEEE 1149.1 covers memory read/write or instruction insertion at all. |
| 21:53.39 | I440r | err it doesnt ? |
| 21:53.43 | I440r | argh then what does ? |
| 21:53.54 | pb_ | <pb_> I440r: the things you are asking about are highly target specific. suggest you refer to the datasheets for the parts in question |
| 21:54.08 | pb_ | when I said they were highly target specific, that wasn't a joke. |
| 21:54.26 | I440r | pb_ i saw that and replied "the data sheet just syas 1149.1 compliant" |
| 21:54.46 | pb_ | do you know that these devices actually support the operations you are trying to perform? |
| 21:55.16 | I440r | yes |
| 21:55.44 | pb_ | then, I guess there must be some extra documentation that describes how to use them. |
| 21:55.56 | I440r | there is already a debugger for the devices but its a crappy windows guy bullshit thing thats no good for my FORTH debug |
| 21:56.05 | pb_ | afaik, IEEE 1149.1 just describes the TAP and boundary scan system. |
| 21:56.16 | I440r | ill contact the manufacturer :) |
| 21:56.23 | pb_ | that sounds like the best plan. |
| 21:57.05 | I440r | is the test access port only for boundry scan ? |
| 21:57.32 | I440r | i do need that too, i need to be able to write specific values to specific I/O ports on the device etc |
| 21:58.12 | pb_ | The TAP is the "JTAG interface". |
| 21:58.32 | I440r | oh got ya |
| 21:58.40 | I440r | 4 pin thingie :) |
| 21:58.45 | pb_ | yep |
| 21:59.18 | I440r | well thanx for the help, ill stop pestering ya :) |
| 21:59.32 | I440r | but go ahead and check out isforth.clss.net ;) |
| 21:59.32 | I440r | l8er doodz |
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| 23:19.55 | Russ | jtag is way more complicated than its made out to be... |
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