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02:20.13 | chouimat | night |
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06:08.24 | Russ | ibot: 56c |
06:08.24 | | bugger all, i dunno, Russ |
06:43.53 | TomW | Russ: Ibot is a geek mathematician: it can do complex math, but it cannot do the simple shit |
06:48.31 | Russ | ibot: cos(2*Pi) |
06:48.31 | | Russ: I wish you would RTFM. |
06:48.39 | Russ | ibot: RTFM |
06:48.39 | | hmm... rtfm is read the f*cking manual... try asking me about "FAQ" |
06:48.45 | Russ | ibot: FAQ |
06:48.46 | | well, faq is at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ |
06:48.46 | TomW | lol |
06:48.54 | TomW | heh |
06:49.04 | Russ | ummmm |
06:49.08 | TomW | ibot: f*ck you |
06:49.09 | | TomW: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
06:50.21 | Russ | ibot: why don't you go play a nice game of hide and go f*ck yourself |
06:50.22 | | wish i knew, Russ |
06:51.02 | TomW | Russ: maybe you need to say "please"? |
06:51.21 | Russ | ibot: can you please tell me what your major malfunction is? |
06:51.22 | | I'm just an idiot. :-( |
06:51.57 | Russ | dude, what is that t-rex doing to that woman? |
06:52.31 | Russ | ibot: what is the t-rex doing to that woman? |
06:52.32 | | I think you lost me on that one, Russ |
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13:27.52 | chouimat | morning |
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14:17.28 | prpplague | morning all |
14:18.11 | chouimat | hi prpplague |
14:18.54 | prpplague | chouimat: whats up? |
14:19.08 | chouimat | updating this box |
14:28.38 | TomW | good morning |
14:28.43 | chouimat | hi tom |
14:28.52 | TomW | hey, what's up? |
14:28.53 | prpplague | TomW: morning |
14:29.00 | prpplague | TomW: just getting into work |
14:29.10 | TomW | prpplague: bored today? nothing to do? So, you come here? |
14:29.23 | prpplague | TomW: sorta |
14:29.24 | chouimat | TomW: nothing just need to get a new toy |
14:29.37 | prpplague | TomW: since the r&d department got axed last week |
14:29.49 | prpplague | TomW: have lots of free time now |
14:30.03 | prpplague | TomW: just going through and starting to work on documentation |
14:30.23 | prpplague | TomW: figure while i'm here i could at least contribute to some docs for other projects |
14:30.24 | TomW | chouimat: I've got some programming on the webpal to do today, and a board to wire up. I need to verify how the ISA bus interface works between byte / word fetches. |
14:30.49 | prpplague | TomW: ya, i was planning to work on some boot loader fun tomorrow with the webpal |
14:30.53 | TomW | prpplague: oh, the "r&d department" was only one guy? |
14:30.54 | chouimat | for you extension board |
14:31.01 | prpplague | TomW: lol |
14:31.12 | prpplague | TomW: no, i was incharge of 6 people |
14:31.24 | prpplague | TomW: everyone has been reassigned |
14:31.36 | TomW | chouimat: yeah, I have an ISA 16bit perf board put together for now to test the ISA bus. |
14:31.37 | chouimat | prpplague: that sucks |
14:31.39 | prpplague | TomW: basically no new projects |
14:31.47 | TomW | prpplague: ow! |
14:31.59 | prpplague | TomW: i worked myself out of a job, lol |
14:32.18 | TomW | prpplague: "when times are show...", it is engineering that should be working the hardest! |
14:32.19 | file-mctnlug | I'm going to make dinner, anybody want something? |
14:32.39 | TomW | file-mctnlug: redhead? |
14:32.50 | TomW | file-mctnlug: woman. |
14:32.55 | chouimat | TomW: I have seen a nice littel board using a xilink clpd for adding a isa bus and and ide control to a sega dreamcast but my soldering skill are well rusty |
14:33.25 | TomW | chouimat: well, polish those skills up boy! |
14:34.06 | chouimat | TomW: hehe and I'm not very handy too |
14:34.24 | TomW | I am thinking of how the webpal should boot. I put a compact flash socket on the new card & a 2.5" (44 pin) ide header. |
14:34.41 | TomW | I would like to boot a kernel that boots a kernel. |
14:35.16 | file-mctnlug | linuxbios? |
14:35.18 | file-mctnlug | lol |
14:35.19 | TomW | the flash kernel would come up, load the "real" kernel from either media and transfer control to that one. |
14:35.44 | TomW | would make kernel dev easier, or, for now, implement a bootp |
14:36.02 | TomW | bootp might be easier to do? |
14:36.15 | chouimat | TomW: just ask prpplague to port blob to the webpal |
14:36.23 | TomW | naw |
14:36.47 | TomW | I can do that, I want to avoid the programming of the flash for the root fs + kernel |
14:37.20 | TomW | bootp, that is probably a better way.. |
14:38.07 | TomW | I stole a 3 slot ISA backplane out of an old Tandy computer, so, I have two card slots on one of the webpals instead of just one slot. |
14:38.52 | TomW | ... and, I have one RT8019 ethernet card that works. |
14:39.54 | chouimat | cool |
14:40.07 | prpplague | chouimat: working on that tomorrow |
14:41.37 | prpplague | TomW: lol, ya, i did that too, but it was out of a zenith 386 box |
14:42.06 | TomW | prpplague: yeah, well, I don't think an ARM710 cpu will run x86 code? |
14:42.08 | TomW | heh |
14:42.16 | prpplague | TomW: ? |
14:42.47 | prpplague | TomW: didn't follow that statement |
14:42.58 | TomW | sorry, was just looking over the bootp HOWTO and it seems that there are binary roms available for NIC cards, I'll need source. |
14:43.16 | prpplague | TomW: yes you can get the etherboot code |
14:43.32 | prpplague | TomW: there should be some info on compiling for arm |
14:43.37 | TomW | hmm, and I have EPROMs here.. |
14:43.50 | prpplague | TomW: i set one up about a year ago for the elf board |
14:44.11 | prpplague | TomW: oh, i meant the multi-slot isa backplane from the zenith 386 |
14:44.23 | TomW | k, did you boot from the NIC, or from flash. It would seem to me that I can put the bootp code into flash? |
14:44.24 | chouimat | is that thing worth building? http://home.b00.itscom.net/ikehara/dc/dcext.html |
14:44.48 | prpplague | TomW: yes you can put it in flash, and that would probably be better for this situation |
14:45.06 | prpplague | TomW: iirc blob has a bootp/tftp patch available |
14:46.47 | TomW | Well, first I will have to verify the 8/16 bit addressing / fetching mode for the ISA bus on the webpal. Make sure that I can do byte & word operations as expected, then I can gerber the PCB to send it out on Monday. |
14:47.13 | TomW | then, next step, is to work at the bootp stuff so I can do more rapid kernel dev. |
14:48.10 | TomW | the "plan for the weekend". Wish it was a different plan, like staying in bed with some woman for the weekend.. <sigh> |
14:48.26 | prpplague | TomW: jeeze |
14:48.30 | TomW | ? |
14:48.32 | TomW | huh |
14:48.34 | prpplague | TomW: lol |
14:48.38 | TomW | heh |
14:48.44 | prpplague | TomW: she must have gotten her claws into you good |
14:48.55 | chouimat | TomW: who don't have this plan errr dream |
14:49.20 | chouimat | ok back to this AD-1200 hacking |
14:49.31 | TomW | yeah, nothing seems to work out as you plan it, you know? |
14:49.43 | TomW | chouimat: what is "ad-1200"? |
14:50.29 | chouimat | TomW: dvd player |
14:50.36 | TomW | oh |
14:51.00 | chouimat | TomW: just want to remove the region stuff and the macrovision ;) |
14:53.00 | prpplague | chouimat: linux based? |
14:53.04 | TomW | prpplague: you got dcc to see the board? |
14:53.51 | chouimat | prpplague: nope |
14:55.44 | TomW | better yet, http://www.openhardware.net/multi-io.jpg |
14:56.10 | prpplague | TomW: lovely |
14:56.17 | chouimat | TomW: specs? |
14:56.48 | file-mctnlug | TomW: now that looks neat... |
14:56.59 | TomW | The chip in the lower right corner is a CS8900 10BaseT, the smaller chip above it is a Quad uart. |
14:57.47 | chouimat | TomW: 3 ethernets? |
14:57.49 | TomW | The uart drives two RS232 lines (out the RJ45), and two RS485 half-duplex (out the coaxial jacks) |
14:58.33 | TomW | chouimat: no, just one. The other two RJ45's are for the RS232. Full modem control, I hope. I did not include the RI signal. |
14:58.41 | chouimat | i want one |
14:59.32 | TomW | The large 40 pin connector is where you plug in the webpal's IDE port, then the compact flash & 2.5" ide ports are "connected" to the webpal's ide cable. |
15:00.51 | chouimat | hmmm I think I found the cpu for my ds18s20 sensor network |
15:01.23 | TomW | I used a 22v10 pal for misc glue, there is a bunch of pins on it that are not used. That, plus the breadboard area, you can add other electronics. The breadboard area has the 16 data lines, 8 address lines, power, gnd, and IO read & write signals. |
15:01.29 | chouimat | TomW: a version with 4 rs232 can be done too? |
15:01.59 | chouimat | TomW: like 1 wire support? |
15:02.11 | TomW | chouimat: probably, the problem is getting enough space for the connnectors to "peek" out the back of the webpal's slot. |
15:03.15 | chouimat | TomW: external box ... I'm planning building a temperature monitoring station and the webpal will be just great for that job |
15:03.16 | TomW | chouimat: the board is designed so that you cut a notch in the lower edge of the plastic front panel to have the compact flash "peek" out the front of the webpal. |
15:03.59 | prpplague | TomW: looks lovely |
15:04.17 | chouimat | TomW: I will wait for the price list then ;) |
15:04.37 | TomW | chouimat: well, you can just remove the 75176 chips (two) that are the RS485 driver chips, then you can wire to the TTL level of TXD & RXD of those two ports. |
15:05.56 | TomW | prpplague: admittedly, I layed the whole board out by hand, but when it came time to do the IDE / compact flash connnector wirings, I turned the Autorouter of EagleCAD loose on the problem. It didn't do a half bad job.. |
15:06.18 | TomW | chouimat: 10BaseT should still work on the hub? |
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15:06.38 | chouimat | TomW: 100baseT only |
15:06.49 | TomW | chouimat: cheap hub. |
15:07.12 | TomW | chouimat: all my hubs are 10/100BaseT |
15:07.27 | file-mctnlug | chouimat: I have a 10baseT hub... not using it |
15:07.37 | prpplague | TomW: eagle? |
15:07.46 | TomW | makes no sense to use 100BaseT to a processor that only runs at 20MIPs |
15:09.18 | chouimat | TomW: I have a 10baseT too but I will need to add a subnet here |
15:09.22 | TomW | prpplague: Eagle CAD, that is my PCB layout package that I use here. It runs natively under linux and is not expensive. I purchased Eagle CAD v4.0 for $1200 for the whole package (schematic, layout + autorouter). http://www.cadsoft.de |
15:10.38 | prpplague | TomW: i know, i was just asking if that was what you were using |
15:10.44 | prpplague | TomW: its what i use too |
15:11.01 | prpplague | TomW: i've just not gotten the hang of ordering boards yet |
15:11.04 | TomW | prpplague: last peice of electronics I need to add to that board is the ability to power the CF on/off. Most CF devices need to be power cycled to go into True IDE mode. :( |
15:11.44 | prpplague | TomW: mmm, are you wanting swappable ide? |
15:11.49 | TomW | prpplague: use GCPREVUE to view your gerbers with, it is a free package, but only runs under windoze. |
15:12.04 | prpplague | TomW: if the cf card is in when the power comes up it should be in ata mode |
15:12.36 | TomW | prpplague: yup, I would like to be able to swap the CF in/out on a live system (umount /dev/hdb) |
15:12.47 | prpplague | TomW: ahh |
15:13.28 | prpplague | TomW: so are you gonna add something that is controlable via userland? or are you gonna do something automatic? |
15:13.29 | TomW | prpplague: yeah, but if you re-mount the card, you will have to power cycle it. I have only found that SanDisk CF can be hot-swapped and will come up in IDE mode. |
15:13.37 | TomW | prpplague: userland. |
15:13.51 | prpplague | TomW: nice |
15:14.42 | TomW | prpplague: actually, I want to do it internal to the kernel. When the kernel mounts the /dev/hdx, it will toggle a spare pin of the UART and that will toggle the power supply to the CF. |
15:15.04 | prpplague | TomW: ahh |
15:15.12 | prpplague | TomW: that was what i was about to ask |
15:15.14 | TomW | I have several spare i/o pins on the UART. |
15:15.36 | prpplague | TomW: i'd like to see how you implement that |
15:15.45 | TomW | me too, heh |
15:15.56 | prpplague | lol |
15:16.17 | TomW | I am getting quite comfortable in hacking stuff in the kernel lately. |
15:16.30 | TomW | uClinux work did that to me. |
15:17.03 | TomW | brb |
15:18.44 | prpplague | hmmm, i didn't get any lak messages this morning |
15:19.49 | TomW | I have four webpals to use for this demo, I would feel more comfortable if I had a fifth unit. just in case... |
15:20.34 | prpplague | TomW: just let me know, i have 5 in the closet |
15:20.52 | TomW | heh, sounds like you need one of my boards? |
15:20.53 | Russ | TomW: I'm kinda doubtfull that you can pull 500mW from the UART |
15:21.23 | TomW | Russ: yeah, won't do that. I was thinking of using a FET and controlling it from the UART. |
15:21.35 | Russ | ah |
15:21.37 | Russ | that works |
15:22.06 | TomW | I haven't worked it out yet, I suspect that I will have to use a P-FET, all I have here is N-FETs (2n7000) |
15:22.31 | Russ | and you are a hermit that never leasves your residence? |
15:22.45 | TomW | put the source & drain in series with the +5v supply, then control it via the gate. |
15:22.55 | TomW | Russ, naw, I have a life too. |
15:23.17 | TomW | Russ: I usually work 4..6 hours a day, then go out. |
15:23.20 | Russ | so picking ip a P-FET isn't a problem |
15:24.22 | TomW | Russ: yeah, but, Radio Shack has cut back on their parts offerings. I have to make a digikey order later. Maybe my friend, Jim, has some P-FETs laying around. |
15:24.26 | chouimat | prpplague: is there any place still selling webpals? |
15:24.53 | TomW | chouimat: I know of a guy in California with about a 100 of them he is slowly selling on ebay.. |
15:25.31 | file-mctnlug | TomW: haha |
15:26.10 | TomW | this is the guy: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2742285859&category=11188&rd=1 |
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15:30.24 | prpplague | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2745472606#ebayphotohosting |
15:31.21 | chouimat | prpplague: cpu? |
15:31.38 | Russ | cirrus arm |
15:32.43 | prpplague | Russ: where did you see that? |
15:32.44 | file-mctnlug | I know what I would like... some small machine for a fileserver... |
15:36.54 | Russ | isn't that what webpals have? |
15:37.47 | prpplague | Russ: oh, yes, i haven't had enough coffee this morning, i though your were talking about the isa-4000 thing i posted the link for |
15:38.05 | chouimat | i was speaking of the isa-4000 |
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15:38.25 | prpplague | chouimat: its an amd 686 class chip iirc |
15:38.44 | prpplague | chouimat: amd sc520 |
15:38.44 | chouimat | prpplague: not another pc |
15:39.45 | TomW | prpplague: might be an Elan (486)? |
15:40.12 | prpplague | specs - http://www2.planet.com.tw/product/product_dm.php?product_id=41&menu_id=22 |
15:42.27 | prpplague | interesting, there are some iopeners up for sale |
15:42.50 | chouimat | prpplague: where? |
15:43.11 | prpplague | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2745350409&category=11188 |
15:44.39 | file-mctnlug | ooh, Novell Netware 4.11 is on EBay... |
15:44.48 | TomW | prpplague: wow! There are a sh*tload of them for sale, heh. |
15:45.02 | chouimat | prpplague: planning to order some? |
15:45.40 | file-mctnlug | mmm |
15:47.01 | TomW | <sigh> so many toys and not enough time... :( |
15:47.12 | prpplague | no, just browsing while i do a fresh compile of gnomeeting |
15:48.25 | prpplague | doh, some idiot has magnia up for $399 |
15:48.28 | file-mctnlug | god will my mother stop coming to visit me |
15:50.16 | file-mctnlug | would anybody happen to have a copy of Netware 4? |
15:50.42 | Russ | my roommate has a copy he is loaning out |
15:51.02 | file-mctnlug | just an ISO would be fine.. |
15:51.35 | prpplague | lol, these are funny- http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2745470641&category=14929 |
15:51.47 | Russ | we have 256kb upstream, do the math |
15:51.52 | prpplague | they have an internal switch that if you open the cover, it wipes the flash |
15:52.21 | file-mctnlug | prpplague: lol |
15:52.31 | file-mctnlug | Russ: 256? yikes |
15:52.35 | Russ | prpplague: sounds like the work of a PHB |
15:52.35 | prpplague | it also sets a flag in the bios to prevent it from booting |
15:52.59 | prpplague | Russ: forgive my ignorance, but PHB? |
15:53.07 | Russ | pointy haired boss |
15:53.15 | prpplague | Russ: ahh |
15:53.28 | TomW | prpplague: dilbert-ism |
15:53.38 | prpplague | TomW: ahh |
15:55.50 | prpplague | chouimat: now now, if you knew anything about me, you know i don't drink beer from a can, lol |
15:56.22 | chouimat | prpplague: i have about 15cad of cans and bottles here |
15:56.27 | prpplague | TomW: yea, well i work too much on POS crap, my brain is starting to spoil |
15:56.34 | TomW | yeah |
15:58.48 | chouimat | hi kergoth |
15:59.27 | chouimat | hmmm I think I will go eat out today |
15:59.38 | kergoth | hey |
16:00.08 | prpplague | kergoth: morning |
16:00.51 | prpplague | we really need a message board to help us sell/buy/trade dev boards |
16:02.14 | kergoth | I'd vote for a mailing list with a forum gateway interface, but thats just cause i despise forums |
16:02.18 | kergoth | heheh |
16:02.41 | prpplague | kergoth: yes i have that same dislike for forums |
16:03.57 | file-mctnlug | why is nobody in Canada selling CAT5 cable on EBay... evil |
16:04.58 | file-mctnlug | ahhh found someone |
16:39.29 | file-mctnlug | aha! I found a place for my fileserver |
16:40.03 | Russ | does it involve moving a kitchen appliance |
16:40.25 | file-mctnlug | nah, it fits perfectly between my desk and my bookcase |
16:40.35 | file-mctnlug | and the power cord even reaches from my secondary power bar |
16:40.44 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i've been running it on 30 thinclients, nothing notable on them yet, but what we do with it is pretty limited |
16:42.16 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: that works for me |
16:47.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hey |
16:47.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: question |
16:47.44 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: does mw have microtouch ts support? |
16:47.57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: or do you know? |
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16:54.50 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yes it does - I wrote it myself |
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16:58.29 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: cool |
17:09.00 | file-mctnlug | grrrr what's my bank card number... |
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17:16.27 | file-mctnlug | I remember 3 parts of it... but the 4th I dunno |
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17:19.38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: guess i could try mw on the intermec 6110 |
17:20.40 | file-mctnlug | now I can't find my Redhat 5.2 CD |
17:20.43 | file-mctnlug | son of a gun |
17:25.42 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: of course |
17:25.43 | CosmicPenguin | :) |
17:25.45 | CosmicPenguin | Why not? |
17:26.50 | file-mctnlug | found it, yahoo |
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17:32.48 | prpplague | hmmm |
17:33.15 | prpplague | need to see if i can get fbdev running in portrait mode on this 6110 |
17:33.19 | fishhead- | anyone done any work with loading programs from a ethernet bootrom |
17:33.57 | prpplague | fishhead-: can you be a little more specific? |
17:34.28 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: whats the hardware? |
17:34.36 | fishhead- | I want to burn memtest86 to a eeprom on a network card |
17:34.41 | fishhead- | so it loads on startup |
17:34.42 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: trying to get that info now |
17:34.50 | prpplague | fishhead-: ahh |
17:35.01 | fishhead- | [13:34] <fishhead-> well I know you can use etherboot to net load it |
17:35.01 | fishhead- | [13:34] <fishhead-> but I want it in the eeprom itself |
17:35.01 | fishhead- | [13:34] <fishhead-> I know it's possible with some programs because I have 2 terminal programs that can do it |
17:35.02 | prpplague | fishhead-: try looking at the code for etherboot |
17:35.10 | fishhead- | I can't code :/ |
17:35.22 | CosmicPenguin | From my ISP: Suffice it to say that Cisco's software and support have been very disappointing lately. |
17:35.39 | CosmicPenguin | They've had three major outages since last Sunday related to their Cisco equipment |
17:35.45 | prpplague | fishhead-: then you have pretty much no hope, lol |
17:36.04 | fishhead- | not if I can find a generic loader |
17:36.06 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lol, and they were surprised at that? |
17:36.18 | prpplague | fishhead-: not gonna find one for a nic |
17:36.49 | prpplague | fishhead-: what is it you want to accomplish? |
17:37.03 | prpplague | fishhead-: be able to stick a card into the system and run tests? |
17:37.12 | fishhead- | yep |
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17:38.19 | prpplague | fishhead-: personal suggestion - get a ide controler card, stick a cf-to-ide adapter on it |
17:38.51 | prpplague | fishhead-: or purchas a DOC isa card |
17:39.20 | fishhead- | those cost a fortune |
17:39.26 | fishhead- | defeats the purpose |
17:39.32 | prpplague | fishhead-: $5 used |
17:39.41 | fishhead- | yeah right |
17:39.58 | file-mctnlug | fishhead-: no, prpplague is serious... he's done alot of work with the this kind of stuff |
17:40.15 | prpplague | fishhead-: are you in the states? |
17:40.17 | fishhead- | i'll check around thanks |
17:40.19 | fishhead- | mabye I can make one |
17:40.26 | fishhead- | yes |
17:40.35 | prpplague | ibot: prpplague |
17:40.35 | | it has been said that prpplague is mailto:dave123@abcsinc.com or Dave Anders |
17:40.46 | prpplague | fishhead-: email me your shipping address |
17:40.55 | prpplague | fishhead-: i'll send you a card and a DOC |
17:41.42 | fishhead- | I don't want to waste a nice CF on just memtest86 but thanks |
17:41.52 | fishhead- | i'll just use a floppy drive :) |
17:42.10 | prpplague | fishhead-: i meant a DOC isa card and chip |
17:42.38 | prpplague | fishhead-: ok then |
17:42.40 | fishhead- | what is a doc isa card |
17:43.34 | fishhead- | nm |
17:44.42 | file-mctnlug | prpplague: I still want to kill customs over that TCSX-1 |
17:44.47 | fishhead- | OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
17:44.54 | fishhead- | the docs can use standard eeproms ? |
17:45.42 | prpplague | http://www.icp-australia.com.au/DataSheets/DOCKIT.html |
17:45.47 | prpplague | something like that |
17:46.30 | fishhead- | I was actually thiknig about trying to build something like that |
17:46.41 | fishhead- | wow yuo just gave me an idea thanks |
17:46.48 | prpplague | fishhead-: http://www.labyrinth.net.au/~steve/DiskOnChip.html |
17:46.56 | prpplague | fishhead-: complete instructions |
17:47.25 | fishhead- | heh |
17:47.29 | fishhead- | how much are the chips though |
17:47.32 | fishhead- | that's the thing |
17:47.35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: elan 486 |
17:47.46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: iirc elan has the video on board |
17:48.02 | prpplague | fishhead-: you can get the small ones pretty cheap these days |
17:48.07 | CosmicPenguin | Yes |
17:48.17 | fishhead- | prpp thanks you gave me some ideas to try |
17:48.25 | prpplague | fishhead-: np |
17:48.29 | CosmicPenguin | Its VESA compatible, iirc |
17:48.31 | prpplague | fishhead-: btdt |
17:48.42 | fishhead- | btdt ? |
17:48.45 | CosmicPenguin | But I'm not sure who did the actual work |
17:48.47 | prpplague | been there done that |
17:48.56 | fishhead- | ah |
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17:49.10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm wondering how well it suppose screen rotation from fbdev |
17:49.19 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: hmmm.... I'm not sure |
17:49.26 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: You're stuck with whatever vesa gives you |
17:50.00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0301.1/0156.html |
17:50.20 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Heh - you're not gonna believe this |
17:50.33 | CosmicPenguin | I think it uses the CT 65550 fb driver |
17:50.40 | CosmicPenguin | I wrote that! :) |
17:50.59 | CosmicPenguin | At least the older version |
17:51.35 | fishhead- | ahh I have to do is figure out how the damn vt100 terminal program that can be flashed to a boot rom does it |
17:51.41 | fishhead- | and I can do the same with memtest86 |
17:51.49 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: if you use MW, we can do the rotation for you |
17:52.03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: right, i was just thinking console |
17:52.09 | fishhead- | yeah that old CT chip is VERY VERY popular |
17:52.12 | fishhead- | for embedded systems |
17:52.20 | fishhead- | because it drives lvds lcd's |
17:52.33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: but i guess i could just open x or mw with a full screen terminal |
17:52.38 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: can't help you on the console front |
17:52.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm interested in using this thing for some field diagnostics |
17:53.09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: it has 3 pcmcia slots |
17:53.25 | CosmicPenguin | wow |
17:53.26 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: and a 3000mah battery, lol |
17:53.58 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: for what? |
17:54.11 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: portable deflibulater? |
17:54.14 | CosmicPenguin | CLEAR! |
17:54.24 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: only thing i haven't got a clue on is the power management |
17:54.42 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i assume since its x86 that it is pretty power hungry |
17:54.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i don't have much experience with the elan |
17:55.29 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: neither do I |
17:55.48 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: mmm, i need to load up my microdrive with a full set of diags to check this thing out better |
17:55.59 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: no ide? |
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17:56.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: no just the 3 pcmcia |
17:56.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: well i should qualify |
17:56.33 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: fun, fun, fun |
17:56.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the 3rd pcmcia slot is the ide, i could wire it an hd |
18:02.02 | fishhead- | here's a question for you prpp |
18:02.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: whats a good utility to run and get video chipset info? |
18:02.09 | prpplague | fishhead-: yes? |
18:02.12 | fishhead- | on a rom image file I was putting into a chip |
18:02.23 | fishhead- | if I had to buffer the file to make the chip size with 0xff's |
18:02.33 | fishhead- | so I want to add those to the beginning or the ending of the file |
18:02.43 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: thats a tough question |
18:02.57 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: the best thing to do is probably scan the PCI bus for the vendor information |
18:03.02 | fishhead- | the example I got said beginning but that seems backwards to me |
18:03.13 | CosmicPenguin | If you use the standard tools - you'll just get back the VESA compliance crap |
18:03.16 | prpplague | fishhead-: ya usually its the beginning |
18:03.39 | fishhead- | and the cpu knows how to deal with this ? |
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18:04.03 | fishhead- | here is another example of what I am talking about btw |
18:04.05 | fishhead- | http://www-student.informatik.uni-bonn.de/~canavan/lowpower/ |
18:04.06 | prpplague | fishhead-: well thats a complicated deal, all i can tell you is you can study how etherboot does its stuff |
18:04.18 | fishhead- | okay the perl script to buffer files is from etherboot |
18:04.26 | fishhead- | so if yuo said it works I'll take that |
18:04.53 | prpplague | fishhead-: ya |
18:04.56 | fishhead- | thx |
18:05.09 | fishhead- | where do you live ? |
18:05.19 | prpplague | tx |
18:05.25 | fishhead- | ah |
18:05.34 | fishhead- | mabye I will send you some small char lcd's sometime :) |
18:05.35 | fishhead- | 16x1 |
18:05.46 | prpplague | fishhead-: ok thanks |
18:05.55 | fishhead- | I got 31 :P |
18:06.01 | prpplague | fishhead-: fun |
18:06.09 | fishhead- | I work as a pc tech so when they dumped all the dot matrix at work |
18:06.11 | fishhead- | I saved all the lcd's |
18:06.34 | fishhead- | I need to build a eprom dumper |
18:06.44 | fishhead- | mabye I can figure out how my 286 redirects to console in the bios |
18:06.54 | fishhead- | or how this 486 laser printer engine redirects to a lcd |
18:07.14 | prpplague | fishhead-: for to use the 16x1 lcds? |
18:07.29 | fishhead- | mabye later :) |
18:07.42 | fishhead- | i;d be happy with a serial port redirect for pc's |
18:07.42 | prpplague | fishhead-: look up a project called lcdproc |
18:07.47 | fishhead- | yeah I know |
18:07.56 | fishhead- | I am sick of running 8 640x480 monitor |
18:08.42 | fishhead- | I know they sell cards to do this but my goal is do projects with stuff around the house or salvage |
18:09.31 | CosmicPenguin | file: webpal? |
18:12.12 | file | CosmicPenguin: I would take one of those too |
18:12.57 | file | donations accepted I suppose |
18:19.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, got to get a getty running on the serial port so i can get into this thing |
18:21.02 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: that shouldn't be too difficult |
18:21.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya, just pinning out the max chip now to find out the 232 stuff |
18:21.58 | CosmicPenguin | They didn't bring out the serial stuff? |
18:23.29 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya they plenty connections, problem is this a proprietary item, and they took great lengths to make sure it wasn't easily worked on by someone else |
18:24.21 | CosmicPenguin | bastards |
18:25.35 | prpplague | intermec, symbol, and telxon have pioniered the techniques in offuscation of their hardware |
18:26.09 | file | FRELL! the channel Farscape was on went dead |
18:27.58 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: what type of device is this? |
18:30.06 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: http://www.barcodeplanet.com/intermec/6110-zoom.htm |
18:31.31 | CosmicPenguin | Ahhh... green screen |
18:32.19 | CosmicPenguin | I assume the keyboard is on the serial port too, al-la symbol |
18:38.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: no actual its a subset of a ps/2 keyboard |
18:41.59 | fishhead- | prpp see |
18:42.08 | fishhead- | they sell isa cards with bios updates |
18:42.18 | fishhead- | so there has to a way to exec 1 program |
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18:42.44 | file | hi andersee |
18:51.48 | andersee | file: g'da |
18:51.50 | andersee | file: g'day |
18:52.21 | prpplague | andersee: evening |
18:53.25 | andersee | prpplague: that too |
18:53.28 | andersee | :) |
18:55.20 | CosmicPenguin | I love how uclibc works so well with configure |
18:55.33 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: configure? |
18:56.04 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: Umm, you're welcome. But I don't use configure... |
18:56.42 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: sort of |
18:56.50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: btw, the lcd on 6110 is b/w but it has a green backlight |
18:56.51 | CosmicPenguin | argh - maybe not |
19:00.30 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: I use the same sortof config the linux kernel uses |
19:01.35 | file | gah dang it |
19:01.43 | file | I have money, but I can't really find anything I want to really buy |
19:02.12 | andersee | file: I have some nice bridges for sale |
19:02.25 | file | andersee: bridges? what bridges |
19:02.29 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I was talking about cross compiling with configure scripts |
19:02.35 | CosmicPenguin | But it didn't work so I take it all back |
19:02.39 | CosmicPenguin | :) |
19:03.03 | andersee | Cross compiling with configure can work in 2 ways.... |
19:03.27 | andersee | 1) make sure the configure script does not use macros that execute target code |
19:04.26 | andersee | 1) modify your shared lib loader to use rsh/ssh to execute target code on a target box that is configured just like your target |
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19:05.27 | file | darn it what should I buy, suggestions please! |
19:08.46 | andersee | file: buy a pet horse |
19:08.57 | andersee | Should fit nicely in the living room |
19:09.26 | file | :) |
19:10.00 | file | anybody have anything to sell... wireless network... anything |
19:26.24 | Russ | fishhead-: doc = disk on chip, paged nand flash |
19:26.36 | file | prpplague: can I use a thin client as a fileserver? |
19:26.39 | fishhead- | yes yes yes I know |
19:26.52 | Russ | fishhead-: similar/same pinout as most rombios's, except that 8k of addressing gives you up to around 512MB I think |
19:27.10 | fishhead- | we need to code like a eeprom lilo |
19:27.22 | fishhead- | for a bootrom on a network card rom socket |
19:27.32 | fishhead- | all it would do is load the rest of the image into ram and exist |
19:28.49 | fishhead- | something like etherboot except without the networking crap |
19:29.00 | fishhead- | just exec, load the rest of the eeprom exec that and exit |
19:29.25 | prpplague | file: uh, i guess, but that would kinda not make it a thin client |
19:29.38 | file | prpplague: well I just want something small |
19:29.59 | file | how about this. |
19:29.59 | fishhead- | prpp for emebedded dude |
19:30.05 | fishhead- | like a 5KB x86 robot controller os |
19:30.07 | fishhead- | think about it |
19:30.15 | file | can you suggest anything cheap/inexpensive that can be used as a fileserver? (has IDE Controller onboard) |
19:30.59 | fishhead- | KT400[15:30] <fishhead-> it would just start, load the rest of the eeprom into ram and exec is |
19:31.00 | fishhead- | [15:30] <fishhead-> say like this is th eeeprom |
19:31.00 | fishhead- | [15:30] <fishhead-> xxx******* |
19:31.00 | fishhead- | [15:30] <fishhead-> xxx = bootloader |
19:31.00 | fishhead- | [15:30] <fishhead-> ****** = user program/mini os |
19:31.21 | fishhead- | I think zloader can do this |
19:31.33 | fishhead- | it's part of etherboot but it can also load other stuff |
19:31.36 | Russ | I think you just hit the wrong button |
19:31.49 | fishhead- | the problem is it appears to have a 32kb limit |
19:33.18 | fishhead- | disk on chip is overload for memtest86 |
19:33.24 | fishhead- | you rawrite it to a floppy even |
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19:34.24 | file | can anybody suggest something... |
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19:41.57 | fishhead- | disk on chip is just such horrible overkill for this :/ |
19:43.07 | fishhead- | ugh the smallest one is 8 meg |
19:49.44 | prpplague | interesting, this serial port has a 10 sec delay between when i send a character and shows up on the tty |
19:49.56 | fishhead- | prpp |
19:50.02 | fishhead- | I may have found a solutions |
19:50.11 | fishhead- | elan's already use this apprentely |
19:50.38 | fishhead- | ALIOS |
19:53.22 | CosmicPenguin | 10 *second* delay? |
19:55.26 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea |
19:56.06 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: thats never good |
19:56.28 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: never run across that before |
19:56.53 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I'm trying to rack my brain to see why you would do such a thng |
19:56.56 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm wondering up that have a control signal tied high |
19:57.13 | CosmicPenguin | Maybe its bouncing them off the moon or something... :) |
19:57.32 | CosmicPenguin | This is a linux kernel? Maybe the serial driver is foobared |
19:58.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, but it seems to occur on only one of the serial ports |
20:00.39 | fishhead- | prpp |
20:00.43 | fishhead- | rolo might be a solution |
20:02.05 | prpplague | fishhead-: sorry dude, i'm fw handicaped |
20:02.13 | fishhead- | here |
20:02.14 | fishhead- | http://www.linuxdevices.com/links/LK7355055399.html |
20:02.38 | fishhead- | I might be stupid and clueless |
20:02.44 | fishhead- | but it looks like this might be workable |
20:02.46 | fishhead- | I dunno |
20:03.25 | fishhead- | forgot to mention, look at the "ROLO" section |
20:04.30 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: going through the barcode by chance? |
20:07.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: no, i think its my pc serial port |
20:07.53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: doesn't look like i'm getting rs-232 levels |
20:08.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: let me qualify that, i mean they look out of spec |
20:08.57 | CosmicPenguin | Weird - but you're not losing a char - they're just hella slow |
20:09.10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya |
20:09.23 | CosmicPenguin | You think its your desktop? |
20:10.35 | fishhead- | I am giving up for now, thanks all |
20:11.07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: looking now |
20:12.22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: interesting |
20:12.47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the tx line on the device only has does +-5 |
20:14.49 | CosmicPenguin | hmm |
20:15.08 | CosmicPenguin | Does the BC go through the serial? |
20:15.56 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: through one of the serial ports but have a non-bc serial board plugged right now |
20:19.22 | fishhead- | prpp |
20:19.33 | fishhead- | all I want to do and this might be easier to explain is |
20:19.35 | fishhead- | etherboot |
20:19.47 | fishhead- | but instead of initializing tcpip and goign over the network for the image |
20:19.55 | fishhead- | it will look to the rest of the space in the eeprom |
20:20.28 | fishhead- | *ROM* |
20:20.32 | fishhead- | XXXX******* |
20:20.36 | fishhead- | xxxx = etherboot code |
20:20.50 | fishhead- | ***** = image etherboot would normally look for in a /tftp dir |
20:23.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: very interesting |
20:23.11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: tried another serial board, same thing |
20:23.24 | Russ | due, why do you keep spamming that? |
20:24.10 | fishhead- | me / |
20:24.21 | fishhead- | I only did it 2 times I explained it better |
20:33.43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, i think i'm getting 5v ttl on the serial port instead of rs-232 |
20:38.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ahh, check this out, the maxim chip they used has an activity function that appears to shut the chip down |
20:41.45 | fishhead- | LATER ALL :) |
20:44.19 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
20:51.13 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: gee that was nice of them |
20:51.33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: they have a trace on the board with an always on bridge thats cut |
20:57.36 | CosmicPenguin | And then he's gone... |
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22:04.43 | file[desk] | haha, I'm turning my old laptop into my fileserver |
22:05.15 | fishhead- | nice |
22:05.17 | fishhead- | but |
22:05.18 | fishhead- | a better use |
22:05.24 | fishhead- | might be a remote terminal |
22:05.28 | fishhead- | using x-terminal or VNC |
22:06.09 | file[desk] | no there's a reason it's my old laptop, if you hit certain spots on the case it'll reset |
22:06.11 | file[desk] | :) |
22:06.16 | file[desk] | so it's best to leave it alone |
22:07.36 | fishhead- | oh |
22:07.41 | fishhead- | I had a p100 but the ide controller blew |
22:07.52 | fishhead- | shame is a p100 24 meg of ram and ACTIVE MATRIX 800x600 lcd |
22:07.56 | fishhead- | but without the ide it was dead |
22:08.05 | fishhead- | because it had no floppy and cdrom was not bootable |
22:08.09 | file[desk] | PCI IDE Controller? |
22:08.14 | fishhead- | no laptop dude |
22:08.17 | file[desk] | ahhhh |
22:08.25 | fishhead- | yeah if it was a pc I am a hardware tech |
22:08.30 | fishhead- | i would have bypassed it like a xmas tree |
22:08.48 | file[desk] | well, this will just sit under my ADSL Modem... and make no sounds... |
22:09.00 | fishhead- | yeah but if you bump it and it will reset |
22:09.03 | fishhead- | that's not reliable |
22:09.12 | fishhead- | because thermal variation could do the same |
22:09.16 | fishhead- | you knwo what you can do |
22:09.18 | fishhead- | FIRST |
22:09.18 | file[desk] | no it requires exact pressure |
22:09.20 | fishhead- | GROUND YUOSELF |
22:09.33 | fishhead- | THEN OPEN IT CAREFULLY AND RESEAT ALL THE SOCKETS |
22:09.34 | fishhead- | RAM, ETC |
22:09.39 | file[desk] | I did |
22:09.44 | file[desk] | I even put in extra cushioning |
22:09.49 | fishhead- | and it's still "CANUCKED" ? |
22:09.53 | kergoth | fishhead-: do i need to take your caps lock away and send you to your room? |
22:10.02 | fishhead- | you can try bitch |
22:10.05 | fishhead- | but you will lose |
22:10.12 | fishhead- | :P |
22:10.22 | kergoth | how many channels do you need to be given the boot in before you realize you're a fucking idiot? |
22:10.25 | kergoth | i mean really. |
22:10.32 | fishhead- | dude I was kidding you idiot |
22:10.41 | fishhead- | this keyboard is a $5 pos it's too easy to hit the caps locl |
22:10.45 | fishhead- | with my coordination problems |
22:10.46 | fishhead- | sorry |
22:11.05 | file[desk] | this install profile is evil, why would a server machine need emacs? |
22:11.14 | fishhead- | and second of all DIPSHIT |
22:11.23 | fishhead- | you know why i was banned from one channel |
22:11.29 | fishhead- | all I did was /topic KILL CANUCKS |
22:11.31 | fishhead- | that's it |
22:11.33 | fishhead- | didn't say a work |
22:11.34 | fishhead- | nothing |
22:11.40 | kergoth | exactly, your usual immature bs |
22:11.49 | kergoth | he got tired of it, not that i can blame him |
22:12.01 | fishhead- | well he's goign to pay for it anyways |
22:12.12 | kergoth | i'm sure he's shaking in his boots |
22:12.33 | fontenot | kergoth: hi |
22:12.35 | fishhead- | doubt it |
22:12.44 | fishhead- | but he will try to kill me when I am done |
22:13.20 | fontenot | kergoth: did you get a chance to upload the toolchain? or is it in the latest oz snap ? |
22:13.24 | kergoth | fontenot: hey. forgot about it, throwing it up now |
22:13.48 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: which toolchain is that? |
22:13.58 | fontenot | I tried for eseveral more hours last night and then found areally interesting thread on the debial arm devel list about gcc3.3 and glibc 2.3.2 |
22:14.22 | fontenot | I still can't get glibc 2.3.2 to build with gcc 3.3.1pre but at least I have a better idea why now |
22:14.30 | fishhead- | hey |
22:14.31 | kergoth | CosmicPenguin: just a x86->arm gcc3.3.1-pre/glibc2.3.2 chain |
22:14.33 | fishhead- | is it possible to do |
22:14.37 | fishhead- | spanning of small lcd's |
22:14.38 | CosmicPenguin | 3.3.1 though... :) |
22:14.46 | fishhead- | like half chars on one |
22:14.48 | CosmicPenguin | kewl |
22:14.50 | fishhead- | and half on other |
22:14.58 | fontenot | kergoth: do you do --enable-sjlj-exceptions ? |
22:15.11 | fontenot | I have problems with libgcc_eh |
22:15.13 | kergoth | i dont recall, let me check the buildroot makefile |
22:15.38 | kergoth | doesnt look like it |
22:15.41 | fishhead- | kergoth |
22:15.47 | fishhead- | you know what is really scarey ? |
22:15.59 | fishhead- | my 286-12 has something in the bios called "terminal server mode" |
22:16.04 | fontenot | also do you make an empty sysdeps/arm/framestate.c ? |
22:16.07 | fishhead- | I suspect that means serial console support |
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22:16.27 | kergoth | fontenot: don think so |
22:16.30 | kergoth | er dont rather |
22:16.37 | kergoth | one of our patches might, dont know offhand |
22:16.39 | kergoth | brb |
22:18.00 | fontenot | I found this treat very enlightening: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-glibc@lists.debian.org/msg04228.html |
22:18.14 | fontenot | thread that is |
22:20.37 | fontenot | also see this debian patch: http://cvs.debian.org/glibc-package/debian/patches/50_glibc232-arm-dwarf2-buildfix.dpatch?sortby=file&cvsroot=glibc |
22:31.02 | fishhead- | oh good |
22:31.05 | fishhead- | my topic is still set |
22:32.28 | fishhead- | http://www.ibiblio.org/kuphaldt/electricCircuits/ |
22:33.41 | fishhead- | always good to have a basic electrical knowledge whetere you just cod or not so you at least know if your hw is fried and it's not your code |
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